Maybe McCain’s vast posse of telecom lobbyist cronies can help him out — because they’ve managed to flip yet another McCain position on an issue to their clients’ advantage. To wit:
The group suggested Friday that the swell of current and former telecom lobbyists in the McCain camp might have something to do with the candidate’s recent reversal on the legality of warrantless wiretapping. His most recent position "reads a lot like the talking points that a telecom lobbyist might employ," writes EFF senior staff attorney Kurt Opsahl.
McCain has long supported amnesty for telecoms who cooperated with Bush’s warrantless domestic spying, but until recently questioned the legality of the program. After zig-zagging on the issue over the last few weeks, he eventually settled on a position nearly identical to President Bush’s — that presidential war-making powers trump the law when it comes to warrantless wiretapping….
EFF looked at the lobbyists who worked on a bill that would have given those companies immunity. Among the lobbyist connections the EFF found:
- Charlie Black, a top McCain political adviser, worked for lobbying firm BKSH until March of this year. AT&T paid the firm $120,000 for the first three months of 2008, in part to lobby for the FISA amendments. Black was listed as one of AT&T’s lobbyists.
- The influential Wayne Berman, one of McCain’s national finance co-chairs, works for Ogilvy, a prestigious lobbying firm which represents AT&T on FISA. Berman was listed in the first quarter of 2008 as having lobbied for the company.
- John Green, also from Oglivy, lobbied on wiretap bills and amnesty for AT&T. He now reportedly works as a full-time liaison to Congress for the McCain campaign.
- Dan Coats, a member of the McCain’s Justice Advisory Committee, formerly lobbies for Sprint on FISA reform.
…In remarks to reporters Friday, McCain called the legality of the program "ambiguous," but did not want to dwell on it, according to MSNBC.
Patrick Hynes, the campaign’s online outreach coordinator, repeatedly declined to explain why McCain’s position on warrantless wiretapping has changed, finally stating that McCain’s "position on this issue has been consistent," despite stories from the conservative National Review Online, [t]he New York Times and the liberal online magazine Salon to the contrary.
Reporter Charlie Savage — who as a Boston Globe reporter pressed presidential contenders about their view of executive power in the fall — added to the controversy Friday with a front page New York Times story.
Savage noted the discrepancy in what McCain said to him in December, and what his campaign told the National Review Online last Monday….
Maverick, my ass. Convenient how when the choice between protecting the rights of Americans in a balance between their national security interests and their civil liberties comes up for discussion, McCain now takes "the protect Dick Cheney’s flank" position that keeps his lobbyist cronies happiest, isn’t it? Cozy.
Ryan Singel, whose reporting for Wired on these issues has been superb, notes that the FBI has been caught in yet another abuse of investigative power scheme — this time by the FISC. (I’ve asked for comment from the FISA Court and am awaiting response.)
How, exactly, is the public supposed to go with the "trust us" method of governance, Sen. McCain, when we’ve been lied to, spied on, held without charge, had our legal rights violated, and manipulated by fear tactics so that the likes of your lobbying cronies and Dick Cheney’s power posse could get their fondest dreams of unfettered control? At what point do the civil liberties, the laws and the rights of the public get some consideration?
Or is that only when we buy our way into your version of the Beltway and lobby clients from your bus that our opinions get heard?
We’ve already lived through two terms of George Bush — the nation can’t afford another one, thanks. If John McCain cannot be honest with himself about how many times he’s changed his positions from pretending to be a maverick to cuddling up with the Bush/Cheney Administration, depending on which way his constituent wind was blowing — then how in the hell can we trust him to be honest with the rest of us?
Please call your members of Congress today: no telecom immunity, no basket warrants, no deal if it doesn’t protect the rights of Americans under the rule of law. Glenn is right — there are only a couple of minor tweaks required to fix the few real, honest issues under the law — we expect members of Congress to do their jobs. Ask yours to do just that — and nothing more — until after the election. Dick Cheney can cover his own ass, thanks.
UPDATE: More on McCain’s back and forth on telecom immunity and his close ties to telecom lobbyists here.
(YouTube of McCain parsing McCain via Brave New Films.)



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What a surprise! Who would have thought that there was money involved with trying to give the telecoms amnesty! What other reason could there be?
I hope the push back that is finally coming will be the gift that keeps on giving. Clearly, McConfused cannot recall what positions he has taken, so how can he know which ones to defend. (O what a tangled web we weave, etc) Surely, exposing his forgetfulness and contradictions cannot be too hard to do in a very clear, stark, truthful, and accurate manner.
You have to love the “no I didn’t” “yes I did” quality of the McCain non-denial denials on FISA, don’t you?
Morning Christy!
that’s a good vid, I love the whisper “Do something.” at the end of these.
I will be seeing my Congressman Harry Mitchell on Saturday at the opening of his campaign office just up the road from my house…..
Saw Harry in Costco a day after the last vote and gave him the thumbs up and just said FISA… he shook his head acknowledged it….
I honestly don’t know how these people can stand up and say they need immunity for the Telephone Companies. When I was a kid, the Telephone Company was the ultimate evil. Who gives a shit about AT&T? If they committed a crime, who cares if they get punished? How can anyone be on their side in this? I know Bush is trying to paint this as the caring CEO who helped fight the terrorists, but as we know, that’s just not true.
So obviously, this is a powerful lobby. This is the ONLY reason that makes any sense.
plain, simple and clear;
“john, the telecoms already have immunity if they acted to protect our country, if they acted to steal for themselves do you want them to have immunity?
if they acted to follow someone’s wife or duaghter and steal or rape them, do you want them protected?
if they acted to steal a pattent or manuscript do you want themm protected?
these are the things they cannot have immunity, or do you believe they can have immunity for those acts?
if someone listened on a lawmaker’s private life and used that information to blackmail them into voting pork for their company, do you want that protected?”
this is how we need to frame the debate, we really have to put a practical face on the ramifications
It does utterly defy logic, considering the FISA law already has an exception written into it for companies that have acted in good faith for reasons of national security. The point is that the companies already are exempted if they can show proof that the government requested their assistance and indemnified or otherwise made representations to them that their actions were necessary for national security reasons — but the Bush Administration is claiming secrets privilege on those governmental representations, which means the companies cannot use them as a defense.
The Bush Administration doesn’t want any oversight over their representations, and they are demanding the Telecom Immunity as a payoff for the companies not to talk about what they said. It’s a wholesale scheme to keep congress, the courts and the public in the dark as to the extent of Administration actions and the rationale used to take them.
In other words, they are asking congress to be complicit — utterly and completely — in the cover-up. And I won’t allow that to happen without a fight…
I don’t know what everybody is complaining about. How many other candidates has anyone ever seen who can bring “straight talk” from so many different angles?
He’s got “straight talk” for every occasion and every audience – a true marvel of adaptability is our dear friend Johnny Mac.
It’s a veritable smorgasbord of “straight talk” — something for everyone. If you don’t like his position this morning, wait a coupla hours and maybe it will change. *g*
Competitive advantages can result from telcos and other service providers’ being as tight as possible with government; Sprint knows that as well as AT&T does. There are prospects of future contracts and favorable treatment by regulatory bodies.
And, can I just say, if my 80-something father-in-law can figure out how to use the computer himself and send e-mail all by his lonesome, what in the hell is McCain’s problem? Having his wife do his e-mail, fergawdssakes? That’s just pathetic. And lazy.
Well, look at it this way Christy, at least we won’t see news stories about McCain having textual relations with Miss Vicky or some other lobbyist/paramour like we have with the current governor of Neveda…
my dad and your dad should get together, man he loves his computer (to play hearts on yahoo mostly)
it sure doesn’t enhance his man-for-the-future bona fides.
OT
Please forgive me.
A window company is having a contest to restore an old lighthouse. There was one destroyed by Katrina out by the lake. Could you please vote for it? It is called The New Canal Lighthouse. Thanks!!!!
http://www.jeld-wen.com/lighthouse/index_vote.cfm
That is so great. An early sales pitch for PCs was to communicate with grandkids. I have a very old friend for whom the PC is perfect because she is so hard of hearing that the TC is a real problem. Surely he could catch on….rather have a secretary I guess.
Don’t you think its about time to rename that bus the Pay to Play Express?
*visualizing McSame cranking an old mimeograph machine to send out office memos*
Much too modern. Rows of clerks with quill pens, eye shades and sleeve garters, writing by kerosene lamplight.
Mmmmmmmm….that purple ink smell from my early childhood, helping my mom the teacher run off papers for her class…
Done, mary
Thanks Christy.
one of my friends and i call him ’afraid-talk mccain’ instead of straight talk mccain…and afraid-talk express.
hope you don’t mind this OT christy, but as people are calling congress and senate at 1-800-450-8293 could you please mention this when calling—medicare physical and occupational therapy benefits will be capped at 1,800 dollars unless you go to a hospital for the services as of july 1st unless congress does a temporary extension….patients will have to pay out of pocket, and you know if you’re on medicare chances are you can’t….so, no physical therapy, unless you go to a hospital..not everyone has a hospital near them, and imagine how inconvenient when you’re already physically spent/injured, and around here, we have one hospital, little one, no way will they be able to take all of the patients….it was already on an extension, .there are two bills being combined, and there’s no way they’ll get that done by the deadline. they need to extend it until they get it ironed out.
think of all the people this will affect….stroke patients, surgery recovery, speech therapy, etc…..the current and future quality of life of patients depends on getting these therapies….short article about it-
http://thehill.com/the-executi…..06-11.html
Stupids. Now you have to find a hospital to drive to and gas is how expensive?
Reach Out . . .Reach Out and Bug Someone!
sorry, couldn’t resist
Your “Maverick,my ass.” pretty much sums up everything that is McBushencrony, Christy.
Case in point, his poking at Obama to join him in his town halls–which are now Bush-style pre-screened controlled access loyalist McBush supporters only.
The ’straight talker’ is speaking out of both sides of his mouth, just like Bush. He’s glued himself to Bush’s policies. He is Bush.
So we’ve got the same ol’ same ol’ Rethuglican policies and candidate. Will we have the same ol’ ol’ media as well?
Prairie Today: Stormy Weather
OT
cell phone termination fees up on CSPAN now
w/ Sen Klobuchar (D-MN)
Even more basic: If the guy can’t send an e-mail by himself, what am I supposed to think about his general ability to learn new things and adapt to new situations?
I know that they’re going to tell me that that’s not important in a president, that the most important thing is to stand up for the way things oughta be and to stick to yer guns no matter how many people are telling you you have no idea what you’re talking about.
But no.
Biden and disgraced JAG administration apologist and legal argument cooker Lindsey Graham are hyped for Sunday’s Meet the Press. Send the gotcha guy some suggestions for what he can ask ol’ Grahamcracker.
My thought, how many dads are spending this Father’s Day in the maelstrom of Iraq because ol’ Bushie had a jones on for showin’ up his daddy?
CYA for BushCo doubtless to be major talking point for Graham, no matter what the question or the issue.
I treasure the company here….guess I better go to work.
As someone who has worked in the telecom business, I can tell you that every one of these companies has literally an army of lawyers both inside their halls and at their disposal. We are not talking ‘mom and pop grocery store’ here – these companies have the best (and perhaps the nastiest, but that is another discussion altogether)legal minds money can buy. To say THEY need immunity is totally ridiculous – if Qwest made the decision not to play ball(and paid for it), it was because their legal team told them to back away slowly from the offer. If the rest of these lampreys made the decision to go along, that means that their legal team must have had a damn good reason to tell Management to go along — and of course, as the EFF has shown, doing that paid those companies extremely well for their cooperation. As taxpayers, we deserve to know just what those promises WERE.
And a large bumber of their in-house counsels as well as outside firms who are hired to represent their interests have extensive experience with both regulatory agencies and laws as well as national security laws and agencies. And they are hired precisely because such expertise is highly valuable to these companies — to help them stay within the bounds of the law, maintain close ties to said agencies and governmental personnel.
To think that they didn’t know exactly what they were doing — or that they would not have insisted that the Bush Administration give them direct assurances IN WRITING is ludicrous on its face.
OT[sort of] – Just look at the posted News Headlines. Good Lord, can we endure 4 more years of this?
If the national and international news isn’t bad enough, the town I was raised in is drowning in a 500 year flood.
My old head hurts and my ass is tired this morning.
Anyone hear any news on the Blue America Carney/comcast/FISA ads?
Christy
damn, Ryan Singel is On Fire !
a little humor for RickMassimo above
McCain – Building a Bridge to the 19th Century (h/t dkos)
Thank you Christy.
Digg here pups.
While we can only estimate the number of fathers, we can know for absolute certain that there’s not one member of the Bush family in that number. Who knew that we would have a royal family again so soon after 1776?
I have a question.
How long before the telcos start adapting their technology specifically to accomodate the government’s various and sundry spy programs?
What impact will that have on we, the customer?
Okay, that was a couple of questions.
Occupational Therapy also helps very young kids diagnosed with sensory integration problems. More ramifications!
I’m afraid that horse has already left the barn. Some cell phones already periodically transmit their location, even when powered down.
More on cell phone privacy (or lack thereof) from the WSJ.
Cellphone Data Track Our Migration Patterns
It is useful to recall also, BTW, that you have no 4th Amendment protection against invasion of privacy by private entities. Which is exactly why the feds under Bu’ush are outsourcing nearly every function they can.
Well, at least since 2002.
http://www.eff.org/files/NSA%2…..m3d_bw.pdf [pdf]
http://www.nsawatch.org/nsa_octopus.jpg
Tax and charge republicans not only tax you to snope but the telcos charge you for it too!
And, if I recall correctly, there are already special rooms built inside telco co-lo’s (colocation centers) in SanFrancisco and Quantico, VA where all traffic is being rerouted through servers for analysis. It’s already happened. They don’t have to ‘adapt’ anything in terms of technology; all they had to do is physically route those electrons.
Done.
Off topic and stupid rhetorical question..How can the dollar gain in value when Bush ordered almost a trillion dollars of bank debt to be added to the federal debt. Sorry but I can’t get past this…I fear economic doom.
Google reportedly now logs and stores date/time, IP address, and content of every query. Where ISPs log and store all customers’ web surfing activities ongoing is a question none of them will answer unequivocally.
60 says–
I have a question.
How long before the telcos start adapting their technology specifically to accomodate the government’s various and sundry spy programs?
What impact will that have on we, the customer?
Okay, that was a couple of questions.
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ummm, it’s a program……you wouldn’t have to adapt anything, just tell it what you want it to do/retreive….”it’s already in place ready to be used in new and exciting ways! /s” their computers are already leaps and bounds ahead of anyone…..they deal with information, just have to ask it what you want…..they’ve been able to do that for years……
any technology that remotely sends and receives has to be supported by telco computers….how else do you think it interracts? not through a can and string…..
been that way for decades.
two words not spoken very often–bell labs.
Dollar slide vs Euro has flattened to random variation in the past few months, but USD is down by about a third since Bu’ush “took” office.
More fun!
http://liftlab.com/think/fabie…..-analysis/
kathryn and mary–yes, this cutoff of medicare therapy payments after $1,800 is really going to slam some people…..1800 doesn’t take you very far into the physical therapy billing cycle…..
is really going to affect people recovering from illness or surgery and other things permanently if they don’t get healed all of the way…..
i am really concerned about this….
supposedly congress is supporting the bill, and gee that’s nice, but the payments will be cutoff before the bill is consolidated and passed……that’s why it’s so important for an extension to be passed in the meantime. immediately. july 1st is only a few weeks away.
it takes months and longer to recover from a stroke and some surgeries……..to be cutoff from that recovery is horrible. going to hospitals for those same services that are available in their own communities is just not feasible for many reasons. is going to affect entire families….not just the patients.
and i forgot to say earlier, i got ’the hill’ article about it at my comment 24 from the fdl newsfeed…..thanks.
Bilbo, ya might like this one:
http://www.barabasilab.com/pub…..vering.pdf
Oh yay — the repair guy has fixed our air conditioner. Oh, frabtacular day!
Only slightly off topic. I have some advice for Cindy McC, learn to school your facial expression in front of the camera. I have noticed at least four clips in recent days where she has been caught with a if looks could kill expression. If the press thinks she hate them, she could blow Mr. Straight talks cushy thing.
I am aware, technologically challenged as I am, that we are well beyond the can and string days.
I guess what made me pose the question is how long until we reach a point where development of new technology that might benefit or improve customer service takes a back seat to the government’s ability to collect data or spy?
Can you imagine some great new beneficial technology, like the internet or cell phones as an example, being nixed because it isn’t compatible with some super duper government spy program where the government has invested billions?
Something like national high speed internet access?
frabtacular? lol!
oh yeah, sixty, i can picture that………they’re already talking about different ’tiers’ of internet bands for different ’purposes’, meaning one band wouldn’t be able to access the same stuff the other band does, would be restricted. wonder where that could lead. and which one would have better access.
i only brought up the can and string to illustrate that anything that is sent and received goes through the telco computers…..everything…..they aren’t just copper wire land lines….
Herez a pretty mobile lanscape.
http://infosthetics.com/archiv….._graz.html
You betcha! It isn’t available where I live! No cable or DSL. I can’t even point a dish in the right direction. I’m stuck.
Well, as it turns out, we are going to have to replace our very old A/C unit with a new one at some point soon — we are having them get us quotes on the energy star ones to see what we’ll have to budget for in the near future. But, in the meantime, he was able to patch up our creaky, old unit and get it to pump cold air into the house. And I cannot tell you how lovely that is after an entire week of scorching temperatures and rancid humidity. Ahhhhhhh….
Why is it that things always break down at the worst possible time? Murphy’s Law strikes again…
Check out twitter arcs:
http://infosthetics.com/archiv….._arcs.html
Comcast just brought fiber optic into my building for their last generation of high speed. If I could only afford it. Sigh. Being poor means living with dail-up.
:(
Verizon sales reps. go door to door in my neighborhood hawking their fiber optic service. Told them to stop spying on my family and I might consider it. Spittin’ mad that I have to pay them to spy for shrubco.
Ah! So, frabtacular is a mixture of frabulous and craptacular!
National high speed internet access is only like six years late.
Bush Out Now!
Where can I go to get service (dsl or cable) that is not compromised? What about people getting together and using a T1 line? Do you have to be in the same structure?
congrats on the a/c—hot as hell there lately , eh? here in se ohio too….i have a big window unit, cuz i have baseboard heat, this past week i felt sorry for people with no air, and there’s lot of them around here……my uncle wouldn’t get air conditioning, don’t know how he did it……i used to hate a/c but i love it now!!!!
i just got a car with air conditioning, my oh my, what i was missing…i can now run errands and go anywhere i want any time of day…..wow…….just took a trip, came home in the heat of the day, didn’t have to leave at six in the morning cuz of the heat and having a dog in the car…..what a luxury…..and didn’t have to worry that i had my AAA card handy for WHEN my car finally decided to die, it didn’t, but i held my breath….no more, i am now a spoiled princess…nice…
i was talking with mom the other day, i used to work outside, year round, and i honestly don’t know how i did it. and growing up, i used to play tennis in the heat of the day, and liked it, don’t know how i did that either……times change.
Christy,
Bless you! On Monday in NC I watched the thermometer ranging between 100-103 degrees on the way back from taking my daughter to the RDU airport. I feel for ya!
Now the last couple of days we are having smoke here from the fires near the coast. Air quality is really bad. Stinks too.
The new unit won’t likely be cheap — but we’d rather pay more for an energy efficient one, and save on energy usage and cost on the back end. Because you know that neither electricity nor gas costs are going down any time soon.
I’m just glad we are getting cold air at the moment. I’ve been living in the upstairs bedroom with the window unit in the afternoons for the last week or so…
Do be careful with the fire issue. It’s been so dry this year, I really hope for all of your sakes that they don’t spread. Stay safe, please!
btw, Jane’s got a fresh post up top…
Just saw this over at Kos…Holy shizzola…Seems there’s a “holy” army..outside the military..:
“A few days ago, a tip was sent to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) research department to check out an organization called Marshall Minute Military Ministries. MRFF has investigated a seemingly endless stream of evangelical ministries and para-church organizations operating within the military, from small Mom and Pop church groups to large scale, military-wide operations like Campus Crusade for Christ’s Military Ministry, who are well on their way to accomplishing their goal of turning our military into a force of “government-paid missionaries for Christ.” Marshall Minute, however, had escaped our attention — until now.”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/…..630/535331
I just took a big walk on the American River today. First, I walked through my neighborhood. There are five repoed houses in three blocks. The sky is ringed with a red haze from the fires and it will be 97 degrees. And the state of California is cutting way back on medi-cal. I am living a suburban Blade Runner life.
You already know this, but the lifecycle cost issue is a huge trap that people forget about. For very legitimate budget reasons, people want to buy the most inexpensive energy-using equipment…but in the case of an A/C or ‘fridge or heater, these things can operate and suck energy or gas or propane for 20-30 years. The greater cost of a more efficient unit (IF there is a greater cost…that’s been coming down substantially for many types of equipment in the past few years) is “paid back” through energy savings in a few years (or less, these days)…
Buy the most efficient unit (in the case of an A/C, the highest SEER rating) you can afford…
Christy,
We are about an hour west of Raleigh. The fires are no where near a danger to us. It’s just the smoke is blowing that far inland. Thanks for the concern anyway.
Thanks, Martha. I’ve already asked the fellow who repaired our unit this morning to price the most energy efficient units for me and let me know what they have and what their energy efficiency ratings are. If we are going to spend the money, I’d rather spend it on something that will repay my investment in savings down the road — and not be wasteful.
Wow! That is a huge inland drift for the smoke, isn’t it? I had no idea it was coming that far in…holy crap!
christy at 72–mom and dad went with the super saver one that costs more, they are happy with it, i don’t know the brand…has a built-in humidifier for the winter-really cuts down on winter dry air problems..maybe carrier? it did pay off at their house, mom cranks it, dad freezes in the family room…the upstairs is warmer…..so, and this is a true story, my dad puts his kerosene heater on low to compensate for mom crankin’ it when he gets too cold, i’m serious….the house is built into a hill, so, the family room is much colder by many degrees, we discussed closing the vents, but the air flow down there would be affected……mom gets her way….so, dad lights the heater….
mom and i were in the living room one day and i heard dad take the filler can out of the heater and i asked mom, what’s dad doin’? she said, he lights the heater when he gets cold, i said should i turn it down? she said no, he just lights his heater….funny as hell…..both are happy…go figure. it was explained to me that the thermostat is upstairs, so, dad’s heater doesn’t affect anything. ok.
Just hope that O’Toole’s Corollary to Murphy’s law doesn’t kick in.
pics of NC fires
Shhhhh…don’t give the universe any ideas…
Thanks for the pics!
Sounds like they’re using a coffee maker (percolation theory tool) somehow. Read the abstract; don’t think I can wade through the text. ;-D Besides, Italy is playing Romania in Eurocup 2008 on ESPN 2. Gotta have priorities in order.
It isn’t hot and dry everywhere.
a friend of mine and I have concluded that all these people are going to fly off to the land of the dollar sign like in Atlas Shrugged.Maybe Dubai