Aloha, David!

so?

Wrong

the Religious “right” that is.

My son has one of those- he has married some people I think- guess it works- they’re still married!

Hope he ain’t married any man/dog couples.

hahahaha thanks, david

funny thing. I had to go through a whole lot more than that to get ordained. Like 4 years of grad school, chaplaincy training, internship, facing the credentialling committee and actually being ordained by a church. I don’t take kindly to BS like the above.

Hey, he is just following is own example. After all, he graduated from a rip-off diploma mill, why shouldn’t the rest of the world. Think of it as an educational affirmative action program for the brain dead.

ick factor ….high

Hi everyone.. I spoke with David earlier.. He asked me to let you all know he had to be away this evening.

Enjoy the post and thread!

anyone wanting the ability to comment on TDS and Colbert can do so on a sidebar chat here. Spoilers welcome and not visible to those on the regular thread.

I need my glasses adjusted…I read…”diabolical studies”..once you have passed 6 of the 66 lesson plans…

Oh, my.

I don’t know, $130 seems like a pretty good deal. A whole new career, lots of respect from all those folks south of the Mason-Dixon line, and hey, you get to legally hit people up for tax deductible contributions.

does that mean you are the host of the thread, eureka?

Yes, but you actually want to be respectable. You also belong to a recognized religious body with standards, rules, and all the rest of that. In the charismatic tradition preachers have no external credentials (they are ordained by God)and can marry folks in most states that I know of.

It all proves that they are atheist at heart, or they would all be living in fear of their blasphemy….no criticism of atheism, just pointing out that they aren’t concerned about their BS…

Smoke and mirrors…marketing…

anyone know what part of Oregon this wingnut is running to represent? It’s kind of funny since OR and the Pacific Northwest in general is one of the most “unchurched” areas of the country—among the highest percentage of people who don’t attend any house of worship.

Ain’t just in the south. Those folks are all over the Northwest and are making big inroads in urban areas.

“respect from all those folks south of the Mason-Dixon line”

The regional slur is not appreciated … please don’t do that.

I don’t know, $130 seems like a pretty good deal. A whole new career, lots of respect from all those folks south of the Mason-Dixon line, and hey, you get to legally hit people up for tax deductible contributions.

two words:

Wedding Receptions.

gee…I think I may become the first pagan “ordained” as a pacific northwestern grad….goddess willing.

may Hermes grant me a speedy graduation.

/s

Uh, no… It’s supper time at Casa de Eureka…)

Okay, okay, any south of the Canadian Border.

I think there is a really high percentage of unaffiliated churches in the region as well. Impressionistically, much more so than anywhere else I have lived.

In the charismatic tradition preachers have no external credentials (they are ordained by God)and can marry folks in most states that I know of.

I thought they just boinked folks in most states…surprised they actually marry them first.

No more so than the Catholic clergy (or Canadian Episcopalian missionaries to the Indians).

It’s the libertarian bent of the people there. I lived in OR from 1988 though 1994 or so. If you are unaffiliated then you don’t have to send any $$ to the denomination. It’s all about the $$ which can be quite a bit. Just take a look at some of the facilities they build.

I’m psychic and god has ordained me….

How do you disprove that which is unprovable. That is the scam.

I have a backyard that folks say would be perfect for weddings/receptions. I’m in San Diego County. California. Gay marriages are legal. I’d hate to be a hypocrite, but good Lord. There’s money to be made! RevDeb, want to hook up for legitimate marriages?

That is the scam.

*rifling through the divinity tenets to see if pot-growing is in the charter*

Don’t forget, God made George Bush President.

Well, it is if God told you it was. Prove it wasn’t God that told you that.

In most of the states I have lived or worked you have to be recognized by a legitimate church body in order to legally perform marriages. There are sometimes provisions for getting one time licenses for example to do a friend’s wedding. And there were times when I lived in MA and worked in VT and did weddings either there or NH that I had to apply for a one time license. I don’t think the mail order “diploma” would have allowed me to qualify.

O/T (if there is such a thing for Late Night?) but I’m just back from a conference in New Orleans, and just read Isaiah Poole’s piece on Booby Bobby Jindal … good piece, go back and read it if you missed it.

This was my first visit back to NOLA since selling my house there last July. Two things stood out: there is a tent city along Claiborne Avenue in the shadow of the I-10 that wasn’t there last year … looked like 100-200 people living in a variety of tents. Second is the weeds in East New Orleans … maybe 10-15% of the houses there have either been rehabbed or have a trailer in front or other signs of residents, but there are large patches of empty shells of houses. If I didn’t know that there once was a golf course in the park across the street from SUNO, I would not have guessed it … the weeds are head-high. What I saw of Jefferson Parish looked OK, the French Quarter is in good shape – smelly as ever – but the East was utterly depressing.

There are these people in my neighborhood who are doing exactly that.

In fairness to the charismatics, they really do demand “proofs” that “the spirit is with” the person making the claim. Generally that involves demonstrating knowledge of scripture, an ability to preach, and a high degree of religious zeal. Leadership in these denominations really does require a degree of personal charisma (hence the name of the movement). Admittedly it does leave a large opening for frauds and charlatans, but the same has been true of more establishment denominations.

Dr.Dick,
There are lots of churches here that seem to have no affiliation with any church I’ve ever heard of. New Hope, Wings of Hope, all kinds of names…when you ask people what kind of church it is, they say “Bible-believing.”
O-kay.

That I can live with. Canada: it’s almost like another country!

There is the Enron loophole…and apparently, there is the God loophole too.

True..which leaves a shadow of a doubt.

dayam

I love Canada, but it is cold…brrrrr…but it is awesome too.

Frankly, to do them right they aren’t worth the money. At least not for me. I happily do weddings for people in the congregation. When my work load was lighter, as was my pocket book, I would do outside weddings, but they were usually more trouble than they were worth.

Got one up on you, sister. Ain’t no gay marriage in Texas.

Been a long time since I’ve heard about boinking. Maybe we can all be DBH’s

It is the same here. I would guess there are almost as many of those as mainline churches in town. There is even one across the alley from me. Pretty quiet most of the time and mind their own business.

loohoo, there’s a lotta hassle in getting a place ready for a wedding. perhaps you can look into hooking up with a wedding planner in your area – letting him/her know that you think your yard may be perfect for smaller gatherings.

There are sometimes provisions for getting one time licenses for example to do a friend’s wedding…

Yeah, I did that once – but as judge-for-a-day, not as a minister of any kind. Someone the other night was talking about a place where one can become a more or less legitimate (or at least legally recognized) minister.

I’ve never really checked the state laws in this area – but doing weddings is pretty fun. When I did my friends’ wedding, I didn’t even screw around – much.

My sentiments too…! ;-)

Just wait a while. At the rate we’re going it will become tropical before too long.

Today on CNN, they reported about the tent city in downtown NOLA. I was surprised that they reported it. Seems Jindal is getting more attention.

Gawd, we are inundated everyday by shock and awe actions or neglect by the administration, as someone pointed out yesterday, to the point that one doesn’t know where to start….

True, true…no and these people are snakeoil people anyway…they piss me off.

DBH — dirty British hippies?

I’ll bet. It’s a lot of time, I’m guessing, along with a lot of family drama.

boinking

I will say that doing gay weddings really IS different. Way too many straight couples spend most of their time, energy and attention on the party and the ceremony is an afterthought. I’ve had people call me a month before their wedding date looking for a minister. They started planning the reception a year before but forgot to get a minister!

The Gay couples I’ve worked with really really care about the ceremony. Parties they can throw anytime—and have. It is far more special for them.

DBH= ???

Genesis 1:26
God granted us dominion over the earth: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.”
Creeping myrtle, creeping phlox, sedum, cannabi…um, vetch, lavender, aloe, etc.

“Don’t know where to start”, which is exactly the problem. We have been swarmed by so many scandals that there is no focus and nothing catches the imagination of the country, no “blue dress” to direct attention.

Definitely.

DIGG this post here!

I really should. I wonder if Craigslist has something like this. I’ll check.

But, of course!

dugg thanks newton

Boinking

You got proof? (I’m just guessing that you had yourself a time…)

Yup. We actually have probably hundreds of issues that are worse than the blue dress…the blue dress itself was not the issue….lying to the public was….but Bushco has lied for 8 years everytime they opened one of their mouths…..the lies are endless…

The Gay couples I’ve worked with really really care about the ceremony.

Oh, I’d do those in a heartbeat – and try to do it right.

But since I’m coming to you Live From Indianapolis, Indiana (where the Legislature is still trying to amend the State Constitution to outlaw gay marriage) it wouldn’t be possible anytime in the near future.

how many scandals have we thought that would be the straw on the camel’s back – that the citizens and congresscritters would rise up mad as hell and not gonna take it any more.

You got proof? (I’m just guessing that you had yourself a time…)

ok, so maybe I slipped a few extra lines of my own into the ceremony… (affects best innocent look)

Dugg

Mrs Cat made the trip to NOLA with me, she visited some of her old friends. One of them told her about one of the charter schools, which has no music, arts, or PE because school is not supposed to be fun. A young girl of Mrs Cat’s friend’s acquaintance who was enrolled in said school was told that “95% of their graduates go to college” (leaving aside for the moment where that statistic came from, since the school cannot have been in operation more than a year or so) to which this young girl is alleged to have replied “so what happens to the other 5%, do they just kill themselves?”

Orelans Parish public schools were a disaster before Katrina, most families with the means and desire to see their children learn sent their kids to the (very good) Catholic schools. There were also some very good but expensive private schools. A very few of the Orleans Parish public schools were decent pre-Katrina.

Same thing in Chicago. Republican “voucher plans” would just make the situation worse (as usual).

no child (of rich parents) left behind

Sex seems to be the only scandal that works.. now if we could just get to the bottom of why Jeff Gannon, male prostitute, visited the White House, late at night, on numerous occasions. Too bad the Secret Service destroyed those visitor logs.

Jayt. You need to sit tight and quit trying to make waves. (As if there were actual waves in Indianapolis) Eventually, if it all works out on the republican timetable, you will get your share. You need to help convince the people of Indiana that they need to be patient and continue to pay their taxes. Thanks.

Moon of Alabama hits another one outta the park…

Circular reasoning:

Definition:
Supporting a premise with the premise rather than a conclusion.

Example:
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES – Nos. 06–1195 and 06–1196

JUSTICE SCALIA, with whom THE CHIEF JUSTICE, JUSTICE THOMAS, and JUSTICE ALITO join, dissenting (pdf, page 110ff):

America is at war with radical Islamists. The enemy began by killing Americans and American allies abroad: ..
…
It has threatened further attacks against our homeland; one need only walk about buttressed and barricaded Washington, or board a plane anywhere in the country, to know that the threat is a serious one.

Shorter example:
Because the President says we have to fear, we do fear.

—
Why are such idiots allowed to judge?

Future slaves being trained to work for corporations on any level do not need to be creative, they need to read to some degree..type on computers perhaps, and be able to operate a calculator.

People are being trained not taught.

Trust that it will happen, Suz. It’s over the top now.

If the children of the very wealthy were required by law to attend the same public schools as the children of the rest of us, you can be sure that the public schools everywhere would receive far more attention and funding than they do now.

Yup.

Think twice, maybe three times, before renting out your yard for weddings. You’ll be dealing with Bridezillas (and their mothers), it’s a potential nightmare. My mom has a B&B and they’ve done a few weddings. After the last debacle she decided, never again. Way too much hassle for way too little payoff.

LOL…those Bridzillas are a trip.

Growing up, my home town was national headquarters for Phillips Petroleum. Informal policy was that the CEO sent his kids to the public schools. Surprise, surprise, a town of 30,000 in Oklahoma had some of the best schools in the country. They discontinued that in the late 70s or 80s, though there was still considerable support for the school system. Since Phillips merged with Conoco and they moved to Houston, things have really gone down hill.

jen was not a bridzilla (thank goodness)

No Child Left a Dime.

I’m guessing that those logs still exist. Maybe it’s just me, but what fool would destroy that goldmine?

Yes. And this is how far we have fallen from “Give me liberty or give me death!”, “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself!” and “Those who would trade liberty for security deserve neither.” Don’t know that I got all those exactly correct, but you get the gist. The current administration is a pack of craven a**wipes.

So you’re from Bartlesville?

Good evening. I went off on a long adventure into the weeds after first reading DN post. Yeah, and this really is too weedy for late nite, but still maybe some link or other will be useful to someone.

I was trying to find “preacher man”. Alas, my memory of the song was uh, inaccurate. Poor Dusty.
“Son of a Preacher Man”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BmSscVzNYM

But, then there’s this-
Preacher Puncher
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYsxACQLBdk

It is Billy Joe Daugherty, Victory Christian Center, who gets punched out- deep Oral Roberts connections.

I googled him, and found an article that has some interesting links for anyone who wants to delve into the ins and outs of mega churches and evangelicals. I checked the links, and no, Tony Marino isn’t listed.

http://www.courier-journal.com…..tself.html

Yep. Class of ‘70 from the now defunct Sooner High. My son lives there now.

You need to sit tight and quit trying to make waves.

moi?

(As if there were actual waves in Indianapolis)

ahh, that would explain why the girl looked at me funny last night at the restaurant. She asked if I had any seating preference, and I told her I wanted a table with an ocean view…

“uhh, sir…”

I made it through the California public school system before it all started going down the crapper after Jarvis-Gann (Prop 13 … rolled back property taxes, mostly de-funded a lot of the public schools).

That might apply to Cedar Rapids..today…

Been there a few times – some interesting architecture. Too bad about the Phillips-Conoco deal, as I understand, Phillips was pretty good for the town.

i bet your mother had gray hair by the time you reached adulthood

Yea Dr. Dick,
Class of ‘70 Wilmington, DE — Padua Academy. Daughter just graduated from same city.

Pretty much. Definitely a paternalistic relationship, but they really did invest in the community. I take it you are a fan of Frank Lloyd Wright?

…by the time you reached adulthood.

I’ll let you know…

Yes, was trying to recall if he was the architect. Have some nice pictures of his work from a trip there about 19 years ago for a chess tournament. I won the tournament, first time I ever won one.

Never mind the very wealthy. This has always been the case. The danger now is that Charter Schools are taking the kids from the Public Schools. Charter schools are many times a farce. They do not provide busing, so the low income kids cannot attend. They offer kids a quick way to graduate. (PE credits for skateboarding, English 9 and 10 simultaneoulsy). It’s all a scam on taxpayers, which would be routine, but it’s a scam on our country more importantly. This must stop.

I see the words “Late Nite” in the title of this post, so here goes

running start cannonball into the Lake…kerrrrsplashhhhhhhhh.

CELTICS WIN IN BIGGEST COMEBACK IN NBA PLAYOFF HISTORY!

Yaah….hooooooooooooooooooooo!

hi everybody.

just like them there ordination mills like the jerk in david’s post?

rut roh – jane’s not gonna be happy and neither are the poodles

Thanks for the good advice. You think a wedding could destroy my back yard if it were the wrong group? I’d need up-front money to be sure.

I think you hit McCovey Cove!

It is about the only interesting building in town. I did not know they ever had a chess tournament there (I left after high school and only go back for brief visits). I know they have a big Mozart festival there every year.

Just a drive by but the NYT explains why you should be thanking the speculators who have driven the price of crude to $136 and sent grain markets into a panic.

Although it is common in tough financial times to blame the speculators, this escalating hostility toward them is starting to worry people with years of knowledge about how commodity markets work. Because without speculators, they say, these markets do not work at all.

Speculators, people willing to risk their capital in search of high profits, are central to healthy commodity markets, they say, and broad-brush restrictions on them could damage markets that are already under pressure from rising global demand for food and fuel.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06…..ref=slogin

This is another example of a bait and switch tactic the Times is becoming justly infamous for. Normal speculation helps markets “discover” what the true price of a commodity is. It stabilizes markets by stabilizing prices and allows both buyers and sellers to make reasonable decisions about their future activities. This kind of speculation responds to and is sensitive to market fundamentals and market conditions. The kind of speculation that we currently have in oil and commodities markets has nothing to do with this. These speculators are the same ones who brought you the subprime fiasco. They treat commodities as financial instruments and wouldn’t know crude oil from corn oil if thy were drowning in it. Their activities don’t price discover but distort markets so that stabilized prices and longterm planning become impossible. So what does the Gray Lady do? Does it give you a hardhitting expose of what’s really going on? Of course not, it trots out some pompous dope and Wall Street shill to tell you not to believe your lying eyes. If the NYT gets any worse, I think even the birds will refuse to crap on it.

me too. I had awesome idealistic teachers. and no one complained about every point on every test. no one stressed about SATs and paid for tutors up the yingyang to get those extra points. etc.

***!!!***

this is late night, right?? I can talk about what I want right??

OMG, I’m so happy! A big comeback and it was in the Coliseum to boot. I turned it on after the first quarter and OMG they were so far behind. It was ugly. They turned it around in 3rd quarter. The crowd was stunned.

I kept shaking my daughter saying “never give up!”.

They have one every year, sponsored (still, I guess, haven’t gone in a while) by Phillips, the “Phillips 66 Chess Classic”, in the spring. The Tournament Director worked for Phillips and got them to provide the site (at the Hotel Phillips, pretty classy for these parts).

See there? Proof that you need editing! *G*

Agreed. Charter schools are too often little more than experiments using other people’s children, cooked up by people with some ideological ax to grind. How many of these experiments would get past an Institutional Review Board if they had to go before one? The focus needs to be on fixing public education, for the good of all.

since i’m the substitute host (david had to be elsewhere) i’m saying go for it… whatcha got bfl? celtics or lakers fan?

Lakers. Celtics. Man, I seen this movie before. Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz,

What I’m worried about is lawsuits. What if someone turned an ankle or fell and broke a hip?

Congratulations! I am an admirer.

While upper management has pulled out, Phillips still has a major presence in town and still contributes, though not like they used to. I take it from your comment that you are from the area. Where abouts?

Celtics Rawk…!!!

Right! I couldn’t take watching the Newshour with the guy talkinga bout the arrogance of the court and the dangerous precedent and crap.

the whole point of this administration’s stance is: we don’t like you, so we get to put you in jail.

International Dictatorship.

The right to know the charges against you and the right to defend yourself against those charges are the very principles we stand for and use to stand up to imperialistic dictators. Even serial killers have this kind of justice. The worst have this right. It doesn’t mean they go free.

Amen to that. My nephew just got married and the brides mother is a total piece of work under the best of circumstances. The wedding was not the best of circumstances. I was deeply and profoundly grateful that I do not work in the wedding services industry.

A friend who looks out for an old, rarely used chapel in the country was approached by the Bridezilla folks. BIG $ offered… They declined.

Da Bulls!
Oh, yeah. Michael retired and Phil moved to LA and it all turned to shit. *sigh*

shit, you were in chevy’s for the rehearsal dinner? fork

hate ‘em both, suze. grew up a knicks fan, back in the day when the celtics and lakers (and bullets) were enemies, big time.

But hwere’s what I wanted to say…………….. Today, I just don’t have a good feeling about this election. At all. NcCain says it’s not important how long we have troops in Iraq. On national TV fer crissake. And what’s rthe big political story? what Obama’s wife DIDN’T say. Not good, man.

Hello AirportCat. Wait- you originally CAian, or am I misreading?

Thanks. Don’t get me started, I could write about my chess experiences all night!

The Green is a Lean Mean Playoff Machine!!!!!!

They hungry. love it.

Terrorist Fist Jab for ya, CT. ][

So is all the income this joker makes tax free?

South OKC. Used to work at the FAA Aeronautical Center (until I retired).

I gotta go. Work in the morning and all that. Y’all have fun.

Back ‘atcha…! ;-)

Yes, grew up in NorCal. East Bay.

g’nite a/c

Terrorist Fist Jab at least sounds cool. I thought it was a cutesy Yuppie couple thing.

me too. Just stoped by to vent my unhappiness about the election. I’m hoping once people see young, inspiring Barak next to old, pasty, insipid McCain, things ‘ll turn around.

Ah! didn’t know that! no wonder we have affinity. ttyl, and nice to see you, as ever.

Had a father-in-law who worked there many moons ago. Went to graduate school at OU.

I can’t wait ’til they get really jazzed about something and do an all-in head-butt. We used to do that in high school, usually (but not always) with football helmets on.

Yes, we have to work against the media who wants to keep us all ignorant. It’s awful.

The only ray of hope is how awful Bush is. They sold him to us and kept selling it and so now some blowback is due to MSM as well as Bush/GOP. I know there’s a lot of racist sh*t out there I have hope.

Oh, I had the pleasure of listening to Walt Frasier call a Knicks game earlier this year. He’s great!

Oh yeah, I was heading off to bed … ‘night all!

It’s not a bad place to work, although, I guess like every other government installation, it got progressively worse under Reagan, Clinton, and really bad under Bush – convinced me to take an early retirement.

Aloha, AC!

He is good. He wasn’t so hot when he first started, He’s come a long way. My problem with this election is Barak doesn’t have much room for error. Everything that Kerry won, he has to keep. That’s not gonna be easy. And I wish they’d get Floriduh out of the tossup column. I’ll be amazed if Barack wins here.

Yeah, he got out well ahead of that. He was already retired when I married his daughter in ‘79.

Good for him, he missed all the bad stuff later.

You know, as I was watching a lot of TFJs going around during the game tonight, I at first laughed at how STUPID ED Hill or whatever her name is. Then I got mad at how STUPID she thinks we are.

I mean, we’re ALL Americans and I get soooo fricking tired of GOP saying Dems aren’t American (in so many words). Can anyone really believe that half the country is going to nominate a frickin’ terrorist? A Muslim radical?

Get. A. Grip. /rant

Oregon, Washington, and California all have a 32% church attendance record- 10 points less than the national average- but quite a bit higher than the New England states that come in at 25% or so.

There’s a house on SE Adams that my grandfather built and lived in. It’s kind of hidden by trees, but you can see a little of the stonework on the ground floor.

He is good. He wasn’t so hot when he first started, He’s come a long way.

You mean Frazier, right?

My problem with this election is Barak doesn’t have much room for error. Everything that Kerry won, he has to keep. That’s not gonna be easy. And I wish they’d get Floriduh out of the tossup column. I’ll be amazed if Barack wins here.

I know you’re a veteran FDLer so excuse my ignorance. you in FLA?

I’ll be amazed if Barack wins here.

What’s your opinion of Obama’s chances in Florida if he had Hillary as his V.P. choice?

How about Wexler? he’d rawk.

Damn. The Okies are coming out of the woodwork tonight.

worse.

How about Wexler? he’d rawk.

I like it.

I also like HRC and Strickland from Ohio (I don’t really believe he’d turn it down if offered).

All we need to do is tell everyone McCain wants to privatize Social Security sure McCain says that he is against it now but if you notice McCain never does say what government programs he wants to cut to avoid raising taxes.
Social Security and Military spending are the only things big enough he can cut,…and what are the odds a military man like John McCain will cut Military spending?
We do need to spread the message though the MSM is giving McCain such a pass with his budget by not asking what he would cut.

Clyde, right. I used to buy white high cut cons like Bradley wore and if I saved some $$$ I’d get Pumas like Frazier wore.

Yeah, I’m in Flori-duh.

Just saw this today. Loks like one of those things that’s been around but never got to me:

One sunny day in 2009 an old man approached the White House from across Pennsylvania Avenue , where he’d been sitting on a park bench.

He spoke to the U.S. Marine standing guard and said, “I would like to go in and meet with President Bush.”

The Marine looked at the man and said, “Sir, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides
here.”

The old man said, “Okay” and walked away.

The following day, the same man approached the White House and said to the same Marine, “I would like to go in and meet with President Bush.”

The Marine again told the man, “Sir, as I said yesterday, Mr. Bush is no longer president and no longer resides here.”

The man thanked him and, again, just walked away.

The third day, the same man approached the White House and spoke to the very same U. S. Marine, saying “I would like to go in and meet with President Bush.”

The Marine, understandably agitated at this point, looked at the man and said, “Sir, this is the third day in a row you have been here asking to speak to Mr. Bush. I’ve told you already that Mr. Bush is no longer the president and no longer resides here. Don’t you understand?”

The old man looked at the Marine and said, “Oh, I understand. I just love hearing it.”

The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “See you tomorrow, SIR!”

A Head Butt…that wouldn’t have been a Terrorist Head Butt would it:)

Does anyone know if there is a list anywhere in the blogosphere with a running list of questions for McCain? Like what we citizens could ask if we were so inclined to show up at a town hall meeting with the other noodlehead in town?

More importantly, what happens when parents start sueing for an inferior education?

not that i know of but that is a great idea

I’m not, but my father was: born on a ranch west of Tulsa and raised in (pre-Phillips) Bartlesville.

excellent

In NJ been done by so-called “special needs districts.” what happened? a lottery and an income tax happened.

Oh Bradley. I like him too.

Thanks for the Marine thingy. I’ll tell it at the next wingnut party when they bring out the same tired HRC and Obama jokes.

The Marine snapped to attention, saluted, and said, “See you tomorrow, SIR!”

What a great story I just might try that on the White House guards!

Sorry BFL but it is the Celtics and not the knicks…. But my Dad used to like a Knickerbocker Beer once in a while!!

It seems that McCain now wants to “split the difference” on Social Security (according to Cliff):

As part of Social Security reform, I believe that private savings accounts are a part of it – along the lines of what President Bush proposed.” [Wall Street Journal, 3/3/2008]

Sweet Dreams.

Sounds like a good idea. Would you suggest a word count limit?

You must be very old then. Phillips was established in Bartlesville in 1917.

Cliff Schecter is the resident McCain expert at the lake try emailing him?

Let’s just say that family dysfunction and evangelical Christianity were in full flower. Plus I think the groom is gay.

According to the ARIS survey, in the United States, 76.5% of adults identified themselves as Christians during early 2001. 2 This number is dropping almost one percentage point per year. There has also been a drop in the percentage of American adults who attend religious services regularly. It has gone from 49% in 1991 to 36% in 1996.

Religioustolerance.org

Oh, does he have email? I know he will sometimes check comments. I’ll try that.

i’m sure he would see it if ya left it for him at his place dosido – he checks his blog regularly for comments

Fern,
I showed my son a photo of a guy he went to school with, in the engagement announcement section of the paper. He said, “Hm. I always thought he was gay.”
This boy was a youth worship leader at a nearby evangelical church.

oooowweeee! That’s some reality TV right there.

I sorta kinda take Kathy Griffin’s attitude to weddings now. She shared a tidbit from Brooke Shields wedding when her mother wasn’t invited because she has a problem with the sauce, but she came anyway. And then she got up to give a toast, and Kathy is all “this is going to be great!”

When I actually like the couple I tell them not to sweat it. Something always goes sideways and it will be funny later on…they usually appreciat that.

Hey, do I get a coke…or an ice tea or something? ;)

Maybe I should rephrase that – I think what he most objected to was Phillips getting streets renamed for their executives. He felt that they were buying the place out, instead of respecting it.

But Bush died on privatizing Social Security remember after winning reelection Bush used his *giggle* Mandate from the people and all the Bwahahaha Political Capital he won from the election to get Private Social Security accounts passed.
That disaster might have been the first time the Democrats showed a spine, not that I have seen it since. It might have been the blogs first big win against Bush who went all out and campaigned for months to get it passed.
But McCain wants to flip flop and back an idea that along with Congressmen chasing young male Congressional pages gave us the Victory?
If McCain wants to lose his Presidential Campaign there are quicker ways to quit like shooting himself in the foot.
Or using the C word at a speech at a women’s college.

This one was a church youth leader too.

And being a counsellor at some christian camp was the highlight of his life – could barely talk about anything else. I had my theories.

crap, all i have is coffee and brain bleach

Yeah, if 51% is a mandate, does that make 52% a landslide? *g*

Definitely a great deal of paternalism going on there as I said earlier. Fed a fair bit of resentment among the folks who did not rely on Phillips for their daily bread (a rather small minority). Phillips has pretty much always been the largest employer in town by several orders of magnitude. By the time I was in high school in the 60s it was the 9th largest oil company in the US, so it was really a 900 pound gorilla economically in town and that translated into political clout. Part of the many things I am ambivalent about when it comes to my home town. Mind you, I left almost 40 years ago and never looked back.

I’m going to skip the three R’s on the title and just chime in while a, I’VE HAD TOO MUCH COFFEE!

Hey all:

Sorry I’m late to the party on this. I had a commitment I couldn’t break tonight.

There’s A LOT more information to come out on this fellow. He’s quite the GOP renaissance man.

If you read the post at Blue Oregon all the way to the end, you’ll note that I put a call into Marino to ask some follow-up questions. He called me back, and I’m hoping to post the outcome of that conversation tomorrow. It throws an interesting light on our U.S. Senate race in Oregon….hope you’ll stop by Blue Oregon late in the day tomorrow and check it out.

That’s okay, Suz. Just glad to know that the fires didn’t head your way.

let us know when you have the update up carla. looking forward to reading it.

You should link your blog addy to you monkier for easier access.

unclaimed late late zed upstairs

Wow, thank you so much for stopping by at this late hour to let us all know what’s up.

Welcome Carla!
Keep us posted

Oh good idea on linking the blog to the monker. I’ll do that.

Ouch, this has gotta hurt…

The Hill reports this morning that “at least 14 Republican members of Congress have refused to endorse or publicly support Sen. John McCain for president,” adding that “more than a dozen others declined to answer whether they back the Arizona senator.” Though some lawmakers “declined to detail” why they wouldn’t support McCain, others cited “major concerns” about McCain’s policies on energy and Iraq.

See, the universally loathed GOP hates John McCain!

He really is a mavericky fellow.

-G

I don’t know whether anyone at FDL has posted about the Obama campaign organization’s Fight the Smears site.

I understand there’s a counter-site that looks the same, slamming and sliming the Senator and his family.

Time for bed. Take care all.

Carla, reading your article now. Will look forward to more. Thanks.

tw3k! Where have you been?

c(_)>~~~ have some nice tea. Herbal.

That’s right! For the low, low price of $95.00 (plus a $35 “final graduation processing fee”), you too can become an online Ordained Minister:

What a ripoff. The Universal Life Church will ordain you, online, for free.