The high priests of bipartisanship are going limp at the rumors of Chuck Hagel or Dick Lugar for Obama's VP, but I must confess these bold opponents of choice leave me a bit cold.
Much more interesting is the prospect of Kathleen Sebelius, who actually has an impressive record of "getting shit done":
More often than not, Sebelius has harnessed legislative consensus for her agenda. In a special session in 2005, she was handed a budgetary bombshell when the state's Supreme Court ordered the government to provide $500 million for school funding (Kansas' budget is roughly $12 billion). Discussions went on for days in the legislature, with talk of impeachment of the justices surfacing. Sebelius stood behind the court, and recruited a slim majority of lawmakers to her side. Funds were passed for the schools and three years later the program is regarded as a success.
"She brings people together and gets things done," said Raj Goyle, a first term state representative. "Governor Sebelius has a unique record of reaching across traditional party lines in Kansas to build consensus."
She's also managed to hew to progressive values in a state where that isn't always easy:
She vetoed a bill that would have required voters to show photo identification before voting, citing disenfranchisement concerns. She issued an executive order making it illegal to discriminate against state employees on the basis of sexual orientation. Three times in four years, she opposed legislation that would have restricted abortion access even though one of those bills passed the Kansas legislature by a two to one margin. Most recently, Sebelius offered a third veto to a bill that would have paved the way for the construction of two new coal-fired units in western Kansas, and she did it primarily on environmental grounds, a stance that a decade ago would have amounted to political suicide.
"Elected leaders are supposed to look at the big picture, at issues that may not affect citizens immediately but are extremely beneficial to the long-term condition of our society. Moving toward renewable energy provides opportunities for better-paying jobs, while helping to address concerns caused by global warming," she said of her decision.
Her position was held up by one vote in the statehouse.
Acceptance of a Lugar or a Hagel on the ticket is also acceptance of the right's "national security" frame. And when that happens, McCain wins. If the debate truly is to shift to "how do we fix the stuff that's wrong with this country," something that people in polls say again and again concerns them in this election, nominating someone like Sebelius makes a whole lot of sense.
Besides, George Bush hates her. That's the kind of bona fides John McCain would kill for right about now.
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Dugg! Thanks for this exceptional post Jane.
I agree; I’m really hoping he picks Sebelius. One of Obama’s few statements about the Vice Presidency indicated that he doesn’t think he needs someone to shore up national security or foreign policy, and I hope he sticks to that, for exactly the reasons you cite. He’s been really good at changing the playing field rather than fighting back only on the ground where he’s attacked, and this would be another good opportunity.
WEBB please
IMO she’s not got what it takes to help Obama in the election. He DOES need someone with solid national security credentials, but I don’t think he has to reach across the isle to find it. And even if she brings her state to Obama (and it looks to me as though that’s no guarentee), that’s not a lot of electors.
Boxturtle (Not belittling the Gov, She’d make a great VP but no help with the election)
isnt she DLC?
Great post, Jane. I’m a big fan of what Sebelius has accomplished. However, her speech in response to the SOTU in January was entirely lifeless (even though the content rocked). I haven’t seen any of her other speeches. Did she just have an off night, or is she that dull delivering speeches? Obama’s running mate will need some real punch when speaking to help deliver the votes needed.
Back later, chores are calling…
The other thing that Sebelius has been doing has been converting rethugs into dems. I assume she has won over whatever “liberal” rethugs were left and found themselves homeless in “today’s republican party.” They got lots of press at the time.
How about Janet Napolitano? She’s from AZ!
Thanks Jane.
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I don’t think so. She’s pretty independent. I think she’d be a great choice. I think Webb would be a loose canon for Obama to have around.
why Rev?
OT - CSPAN3: markey giving his opening statement now:
related link in the news box: Atlas shows effects of climate change on Africa
she does give GREAT violin though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6Kq0qMMpgU
this is my fave of course
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
I saw her on squawk box the other morning. She was good. Reframed issues, didn’t get distracted, and answered progressively.
My question is can she throw a punch and engage in political jiu-jitsu (where you use the opponents strength and momentum against them)?
We are going to need to ATTACK! ATTTAAAACK! ATTTTAAAAAACK! this year.
T-
- have been saying this for weeks - and then when I read she is daughter of former Ohio gov., and that whole billion dollar deficit being erased without taxes - cemented it for me.
sadly yes - she is DLC but recommend you read Jane’s “get shit done” link above . there are also some issues about Webb and sexist remarks, let alone the civil war writings now bubbling to the surface
i shall
Interesting. Will have to get more up to speed on her in detail.
BTW, saw a full page ad in Atlantic Monthy the other day for a new book. Website here-
www.TruePat.org
Probably pick up the book today.
The fact that Obama likes her and her style is probably enough. I don’t doubt that she would be a masterful administrator. But can she deliver whatever Obama needs on the stump? I don’t know, I’m asking.
I think she can fortify the Ohio vote as well as make Kansas competitive. I’m high on Sebelius and I think she would make a great VP.
However, like you, I wonder if perhaps someone else might have more electorial benefit. For example, one of the Va. “troika” would probably be enough to turn that state.
Nevertheless I would be very satisfied with the Governor, especially if she learns to deliver a punch on the trail.
webb:
“Women Can’t Fight”
or how about this one:
Kerry deserves condemnation for his activities as the leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW)
Food for thought, we had an election in ND yesterday, and two strong women incumbents on City Commissions in Fargo and West Fargo were voted out of office. Maybe sometimes I see foreshadowings too far out of the mainstream, but I had this thought of a Hillary Factor, a backlash against other women candidates. Is it there? I’m not sure. Anecdote at this point, not strong evidence.
Sebelius brings to the table some logical things, notably “Western governor” even more than specific achievements. That’s where I’m seeing the need going. Tweety and E.J. are apparently both going with Biden as “the” choice, but I don’t see that at all. Obama already covers the urban/Eastern base, and he needs to connect with western down-to-earth types to remake the map. I don’t see Sebelius as the strongest to do that.
I’m goin’ with Montana Governor Brian Schweitzer…recommendation…and prediction.
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Prairie Today: “I Voted.”
hey the gal wears a flag pin verrrrrrrrrrry good
I am not sure she brings any electoral votes with her. As such, she wouldn’t be at the top of my list.
Sebelius would be an inspired choice. I still hope for Webb tho.
uh ohhhhhhhhhhh ,not cool
The high priests of bipartisanship are going limp at the rumors of Chuck Hagel or Dick Lugar
What would a GOPer give Obama there are no moderates in this election and we will not win the 30%ers unless the economy really tanks or we have another Katrina. A woman would help get the Hilary voters but can she debate?
I still remember Holy Joe debate Darth I have never seen any take so obvious a dive.
OT but important.
U.S. airstrike kills 13 Pakistani border guards.
-G
Choosing Webb would be a too obvious admission that Obama is weak on national defense. Besides, isn’t the coutry militarized enuf without having it become integral to the D party? Geeesh.
if she really is DLC, i can not support. can you give me more links to read?
agree. and a DLC pick would be a major step backwards. we can do better.
Ha. Just heard about fire at TX gov mansion. Can’t wait for religious nutcases to interpret it as god’s will.
Not that I don’t like Sebelius. I’d be excited about her on the ticket, I’d be excited about her in the Cabinet, too, though. There’s going to need to be a whole lot of strong leadership throughout the departments to clear out the riff-raff.
oh boy…
I dunno. I’m in Ohio, politically active, and I know almost nothing about her other than what I’ve learned in this thread and it’s links. She won’t hurt anything, especially amongst the Hillary voters, but I don’t think she’s going to pick up enough of the middle.
However, she’s sure proved she can take a punch as well as deliver one. A Dem Gov in Kan is a tough job to survive, never mind actually get stuff accomplished. Those couldn’t have been easy fights.
Boxturtle (Exception for election influence, I think she’d be a good choice)
If it’s Sebelius.. I have already emailed Obamas campaign requesting she agree to renounce, denounce and repeatedly pounce on the DLC in a very public manner.
Remember the response to the SoTU he did? The DNC gave him a script that he chucked and did his own. No complaints, it was great. BUT Obama runs a VERY scripted operation. I don’t think that Webb will play well in that environment.
like this?
Wednesday, June 11, 2008
FHA forecasting $4.6 billion loss
Chris in Paris · 6/11/2008 09:40:00 AM ET · Link
1 Comment · reddit · FARK · Digg It! ·
As if we needed more proof of gross incompetence and failure by the Bush administration, details are emerging about HUD and the FHA that show just how poorly they were managed. Remember, the McCain economic team helped set up the housing bubble and will continue with business as usual. The GOP told the country that they knew how to run an economy, if only those pesky Democrats would get out of the way and let business do business. They did and this is the end result of letting business do as they please.
The Federal Housing Administration expects to lose $4.6 billion because of unexpectedly high default rates on home loans, officials said Monday.
Brian D. Montgomery, the F.H.A. commissioner, attributed the unanticipated losses primarily to the agency’s seller-financed down payment mortgage program, which has suffered from high delinquency and foreclosure rates in recent years.
Acceptance of a Lugar or a Hagel on the ticket is also acceptance of the right’s “national security” frame. And when that happens, McCain wins
Uh just why would Obama set up a GOPer to be our next President if something should happen to him?
Morning egregious - very interested in your take on Webb for many reasons, not the least being I recall you actually know him. What say you about the sexism issues that have been raised?
Obama IS weak on national defense. He’s GOT to cover that. If not with a VP pick, then by picking Secty defense and Secty State no later than the convention.
Boxturtle (Know your weaknesses, your enemies do)
yea im looking for smooth and competent,as versus…..fear mongering and dramatic
Exactly…
It is God’s will if she is an arsonist.
Sebelius For VP sounds compelling. I can’t imagine an obstructionist Blue Dog in the slot.
zactly
Would choosing Sebelius be perceived as a slap in the face of the Hillary folks? Is for them the issue not any woman, but THE woman? Just asking.
yea Hill said…NO OTHER WOMAN deserves it,freakers on DEM side (you know who) would FREAK
that’s a scary link.
Morning, npb!
I would say that people evolve. Webb did say sexist things years ago, but he has apologized for them and explains he now realizes how hurtful those remarks must have been.
I’ve talked with both his wife and his ex-wife, no shrinking violets there. His ex-wife helped campaign for him. As a feminist from way back, I am attuned to whether people are fair on this issue. I am satisfied, but invite people to look into his view for themselves.
OT.
I hope the servers will be getting a huge injection of Wheeties for the June 20 hearing when Scotty will be testifying. I would think that traffic here will resemble that of the Libby trial. We may even need to go gabbly again so as not to distract from the solemn business at hand.
I’ve checked my calendar and plan to be seated comfortably in front of CSpan for the occasion.
Boyoboyoboy.
first off let me say like most of you, she would not be my first pick - I am merely looking at so called electability and ability to work with the Obama camp -
as to DLC - and I am not defending membership - just keeping it real. no one has gone anywhere in our party for 16 years without membership in the DLC
Schweitzer, Napolitano - it’s how it’s done
read her wiki entry - a lifelong catholic, self identified as pro life who has fought legistlation restricting Choice in Kansas
also think she can help in OH and MI
her record on the environment will not be disappointing either
wiki
I said “too obvious.” He’s got to handle it with SecDef, not VP.
Great post.
Regarding the whole having picking a VP based on ‘military connections/experience or percieved # votes’ is a non issue and has nothing to do with getting the right people in the right places.
Barak has shown that he picks the right people for the right reasons, so it is time to step out/think/act outside of the box.
We just have to make/support the changes needed. :)
‘Much more interesting is the prospect of Kathleen Sebelius, who actually has an impressive record of “getting shit done”:’
Yes it is. I know it will never happen.. But Kucinich or some other competent, experienced, liberal is what the nation needs as a VP.
Strength on Defense is the ability to NOT USE IT!
Most recently, Sebelius offered a third veto to a bill that would have paved the way for the construction of two new coal-fired units in western Kansas, and she did it primarily on environmental grounds, a stance that a decade ago would have amounted to political suicide.
Sounds like she can add more flesh to Obama’s green power message. Going green is the way to cut the importance of the war as foreign policy message Bush/McCain has.
Israel and Denmark are both going green with electric cars why can’t we, we have more cash available than both countries. By cash available I mean debt we can borrow.
Every dollar not spent on foreign oil is one less dollar for Ossama and one less dollar for Iran to buy Nuclear reactors with.
And since green power is free we can take the money that we would normally spend on oil and use that to pay down our debt.
Its called return on investment a concept Bush has never learned with all his business failure and one that McCain doesn’t seem to get either.
reminds me - when is Yoo supposed to testify ?
do you have a link to his apology? thanks!
also - did he ever apologize for what he said about kerry and the vvaw?
i’d like year 17 to be different.
did he ever apologize for what he said about kerry and the vvaw?
What did he say that could be a problem
Obama just won the primary season.. and has never been a member. (I’m jus sayin’)
707!
Surely you jest.
ruth roh! Bilderberg Group list of attendees (pdf warning)
That is completely incorrect! Membership in the DLC is not a prerequisite to success in the Democratic Party. I for one refuse to support a DLC Candidate-think of the unctuous Harold Ford. You can have the entire outfit! They are nothing more than the Republican wing of the Democratic Party. The “Third Way” is not the way for me.
They are not progressive and I think Senator Obama is selling out his campaign by selecting such an individual. But that’s politics, right? Talk(and perceptions) are cheap. We all knew that Mr. Obama was definitely not the most liberal Senator and was willing to consider an actual Republican, let alone an ex Republican for veep, so why not the next best thing, a DLCer?
from my 22 link to raven, webb wrote the following in 2004:
source link
s’okay - and it’s why Chairman Ford has changed his language from “Senator Obama” to “Barak” within the last week - the Obama victory has made them increasingly irrelevant and old Harold would like to catch that train as it moves out of the station :D
OT, perhaps worthy of an FDL news link? From the NYT.
Pakistan Says U.S. Airstrike Killed 11 of Its Soldiers
you read my mind…
gak! can’t open link - is Sebelius and/or Obama on the list ?
Ugh, Sebelius is so BORING. Maybe there’s a role for her somewhere else in his administration, or maybe she can run for Prez some day (yawn). But please, not as Obama’s Veep. Please. Her pallid response to the SOTU put me to sleep. Contrast it with Webb’s response, which got me completely fired up.
Sebelius. wolfowitz and zelikow are on there too.
Lugar, Hagel…You forgot Nunn!
Oh, and today’s Politico said McCain might put Shooter in his administration. Whoa!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politi.....tico/11000
thanks - will google now :D
New world. Mordor. /s
Sen Webb’s past comments will undercut the antiwar movement unless he comes out against this war big and makes peace with Kerry.
Maybe he could attack the swift boaters who are going to go after Obama and attack McCain for letting the swift boaters make such attacks.
That and Webb could mention how unfair it was when Bush called McCain’s kid a bastard with Karl Rove calls to voters.
McCain rather than rising above the muck has now decided to embrace it, McCain has given up, McCain has decided that the ends do justify the means, McCain has decided that Might is Right.
Dick Cheney…..HELL YA!
-Johnny the Maverick
lol! seriously
Sparkles This is not the way to start my day! :)
That is a valid problem but is she any better in a debate? Because aside from a few speeches the only time we will look at her talking is at a debate.
Oh, I love this. McCain would consider the arguably most hated man in the United States for an administration post. Need to get the word out on this.
Well….as long as we’re talkin’ Magic Man and who he might appoint to what….
How about Kmeic fer SCOTUS?
How does that sit with the FireDoggies? Like I said the other day when Obama starts being Obama….
It’s gonna get ugly.
I really like Sibelius. Someone low key like Obama. Her constituents are very happy with her governorship.
I think she’d be great. (She and Nancy Pelosi attended the same DC women’s college - about 9 years apart)
I don’t think picking Webb would signal Obama thinks national security is his weakness. Webb did not support invading Iraq, after all. And Webb could bring the redneck (his word)/Confederate/Appalachian/southern white etc. vote. Plus I love watching him get in fights with people pimping the Bush administration.
John McCain thanks you!
Good morning, Cbl. Miss you today. Play nice with the other kids.
No this is great we can use this! 4 more years of Darth as the Puppet Master!
Maybe Darth would bring Rummy back for Iran War 1.
I have no idea if she can debate or not. And of course we don’t know who McCain will pick. Wouldn’t the Veep debates rock if it were Webb/Condi? Hot damn.
imo, association with speaker pelosi is no longer a point in her favor.
better democrats please. is there really no one who is not dlc, not pro-war and pro-choice, etc we can think of?
I think he should go further and a big “hell, yeah” to putting both Bush and Cheney in his cabnet.
I wasn’t going to hawk Webb, because I don’t think he’d be a popular choice among Democrats, but this statement is ridiculous.
He’s the only one who did something in the Senate to thwart Bush/Cheney on Iran, not to mention his legislation for veterans.
The very point of picking Webb would be for Obama to reinforce his position on the war (see his SOU response?), not to “shore up his nationality security credibility” or whatever cliche you prefer. Obama has no insecurities over such “credibility”, as he was right all along and is letting the public know it.
Return on Investment a terrific talking point…and teaching moment. As opposed to the Republican Fatcat greed-grab way of economics. Piracy in the guise of short term profiteering…we are all being Enronized this summer.
And the ones who suffer most are ordinary American families, the workers that keep the engine going.
We’ve tried it the Republican Fatcat way and look at the mess we’re in.
Mattews is generally wrong. He will rally for Biden, then if he were the nominee he would say it was a bad choice because Biden is less likely to connect with rural/blue collar voters than Obama. I have concluded Mattews thinks only about the next string of Hardball Shows and what controversy they can dish up. I like Biden, but think he would be better in a cabinet position of remaining in the Senate. We are going to need our heavy hitters in the Senate to remain there.
9 years apart does not make them classmates. Just interesting that a small women’s college would produce two female politicians.
Kathleen Sebelius has the class to match Obama’s and balance the ticket.
Russ Feingold.
This betrays total ignorance of Webb? Heard of legislation to cut off funds for a war against Iran? Listened to his response to the SOU, which was about ending the war? His legislation for veterans?
He’s against the war. That’s why he ran!!! That’s why he carried his son’s boots around.
My first choice for VP is HRC.
My second choice would be another woman.
The biggest downside to Sebelius would be that she appears to be a great governor.
I just think putting a man on the ticket, kicks sand in the face of all the HRC supporters who are looking for a reason to “sit this one out.”
IMO, Webb’s statements about women in combat are a lot more serious (seriously bad) than his comments about Rebel soldiers.
Most “Rebel” soldiers didn’t fight to preserve slavery and most “Union” soldiers did not fight to abolish it. Most Rebel soldiers did not own slaves and derived no direct benefit from them. That was reserved to the slave’s owners. A lot of the abolitionists in the Union army were killed early in the war. Lincoln understood the realities, which is why he had to make it about the “Union.” Lincoln didn’t like slavery, but his record afaik, was pretty much that of a white supremacist. He wouldn’t have favored integration (although there is some evidence he softened on that late in his life).
Why soldiers on either side fought, is a complex historical issue. Pope Pius IX loved all the money that Catholic slave owners sent him, which is why the Vatican was officially neutral. (Privately, Pius was pulling for the Rebels.) That’s why you’ll see Roman Catholics from Ireland fighting for both the Union and the Confederacy. Lee’s “old War Horse,” was, James Longstreet, was an abolitionist. He fought for the Confederacy, because he believed more strongly in states rights. US Grant’s father-in-law owned slaves in Missouri.
Webb’s use of the term “Nazi-ification of the Confederacy” may be more on point than he knows.In Deadly Combat is an extraordinary book by a Wehrmacht soldier making claims similar to Webb’s. The German army (Wehrmacht) never said “Heil Hitler,” and they had no idea about the concentration camps or the Final Solution. But, it was they who did the bulk of the fighting and dying.
I agree the Stars and Bars (Confederate Flag) has no place in or on taxpayer supported institutions. I also think people on both sides misuse the Stars and Bars. Some white supremacists try to use it to signal white supremacy.
mornin’ hotness. miss you too.
play nice ? where’s the fun in that ?!?!?
ps, have a purring red kitty on my lap as I type
Who suggested Lugar? That has to be the f*cking stupidest idea I ever heard. If the point of the Democratic Party is to elect Republicans, then I’m gone. It would probably be the one thing that would keep me from voting for Obama. What Evan Byah wasn’t sufficiently vapid?
As for Sebelius, no national expeeince, no Washington experience, no international experience.
We need Russ in the Senate very badly. The possible VP group shown on Huff Post I thought was mostly hilarious - Daschle? Kerry? NELSON??? Ha.
We need to push what the Dow is when adjusted for inflation now and what it was day one of Bush’s term. That and the value of the American Dollar and the price of gas now and the first day of Bush’s first term.
I’m guessing most people who still watch Fox don’t know.
((angie)) - good call. i also like bernie sanders, but even i will concede a bit to the issue of electability.
i’m really worried about obama’s economic policies, and am looking for some sign he doesn’t plan on going back to the murderous policies of the “washington consensus” of the ’90s.
1,670 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“Sebelius for VP?”
I must admit that my initial response to that question was “you can’t be serious”. However, after reading the post and puttin’ her in the context of geographic and demographic politics it does make POLITICAL election sense. Unfortunately, the VP is gunna hafta be able to solidify Obama’s ability to govern and, in fact will need to able to share the load of taking a portfolio of legislative and policy matters and runnin’ ‘em through the congress and processin’ ‘em in the media, IN ADDITION to bringin’ a constituency to the election and providing foreign policy and administrative experience and bein’ Obama’s insurance policy. With this argument in mind, I am brought back again to one name: Al Gore.
If we lived in a less dangerous and more politically stable America, Kathleen Sebelius would be the perfect choice. However, I believe that she would better serve Kansas and the country as a whole, as Governor for two more years and then servin’ in a new progressive Senate in 2010. Al Gore is the only living person who would not only insure Obama’s election but would be able to share the load and take several issues like alternative energy and climate change and navigate them through the Congress. In addition, Gore knows where the bodies are buried and which of the old Clintonista cadre can be trusted. God knows that one of Obama’s principle tasks in the first 100 days will be the cleansing of the administrative and national security bureaucracy and the speedy establishment of an effective governing structure in addition to rammin’ a massive amount of legislation thru congress before the oligarchy gets its feet back under it.
Don’t tell me that he can’t be persuaded ta take on the job at least for four years…after all, if Obama could put together a package to buy off Mrs. Bill then he certainly ken come up a package ta secure the best fuckin’ VP in the country’s history.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, NOBODY REMEMBERS WHO CAME IN SECOND!!
Speaking for myself only - no, it would not be a slap in the face. It would just be a very boring, uninspired choice, in contrast to the strong, inspirational, brilliant debating, ballsy Clinton. Of course I want to see women rise to our highest offices, but I’d much prefer they be inspirational, even charismatic women.
ya mean like Clinton, Carter, or Reagan ??? *g*
I think his attack dog qualities are best used in the Senate, not in VP.
I’ve read a few articles about him, which I can of course not find now, but I really don’t think he’s the right person for VP. He’s pretty conservative and was recently a republican. He has a reputation for holding serious grudges. He has said a lot of things in the past (such as comments about women) that would be an embarrassment in a presidential campaign.
I have to agree. Can he campaign? Can he raise money? Can he get other Democrats elected? HRC has rock-star status. She draws, crowds, media, and donations. She could really help get a lot of Democrats elected in districts where Obama is weak.
Agree.