Our Elite Media seem to be up in arms over Mayhill Fowler's failure to identify herself as a journalist when she stood there with a tape recorder in a very crowded reception line and asked a question of Bill Clinton. Now as wacky as it is that Bill Clinton should have any expectation of privacy in such a public place during the Macaca era, the sanctimony of some of the leading pearl clutchers becomes even harder to swallow.
Politico’s Michael Calderone criticized Off the Bus’ Mayhill Fowler for criticizing Todd Purdum’s “hatchet job” on Bill Clinton — her words — and for misrepresenting herself — his word — when she questioned and recorded Clinton … and I, in turn, criticized Calderone parenthetically using this as an illustration of the clubbiness of the press. Calderone emailed me twice and then called me in short order to complain about my complaint and about the context (a discussion of race in newsrooms). We disagreed.
I arrived home and found a comment on my post that echoed his opinions closely under the name Mary. I looked up the IP and found it came from a Politico-related company. I responded to Mary and noted the source — and the irony that this appeared to be a person at Politico misrepresenting herself. Calderone emailed me saying he did not write the comment — which I hadn’t said — but acknowledged that a colleague did. He then left a comment on my post — which is how I would have preferred this discussion to have happened, in public. I looked at the IP address and it was identical to Mary’s. So I then asked him point-blank whether he wrote Mary’s comment. He said he did not and I take him at his word. I suppose the IP is the company’s firewall.
So I wrote to Politico’s editor, John Harris, asking his policy and views for this post. (Here is the complete email exchange.) On reporters’ identity, Harris said: “At Politico I expect reporters to identify themselves clearly as journalists when asking questions of public officials or average citizens alike. If there were exceptions to this, I would want as editor to be closely consulted about the reasons.”
But then I was rather shocked at what he said about hidden identity in comments — sockpuppetry: “My preference is that if Politico staff are going to engage in debates about journalism they do so with name attached. But the case of leaving comments on a blog or submitting a question to an on-line chat strikes me as not exactly involving sacred principles. When I was at the Post I would frequently send in questions under various to colleagues for their on-line chats, just to be mischievous. These days with a new publication I’m too busy for that nonsense. In any event, have you never done something similar?”
No, I have not. I am surprised that Harris would treat this as a prank even as he acknowledged that “Mary” not only did not reveal her Politico affiliation or reveal a last name but also gave a false first name. This is how you want your employees to act in a news organization? I would think that news organizations would be particularly sensitive to this after the cases of Lee Siegal of the New Republic and Michael Hiltzik of the LA Times.
I especially find it odd that Politico is not living up to the standard to which Calderone holds Mayhill Fowler. Why the slack? Well, after all, it’s only a blog and only a comment, eh? Said Harris: “I don’t get the fuss about the identity of the blog commenter.”
At worst, Mayhill Fowler failed to identify herself. "Mary" was intentionally deceitful about her journalistic affiliation. That Politico, which is principally an online news source, should be so cavalier about journalists misleading people regarding their identity online is quite startling.
I guess the ethics of journalistic identification are for Mayhill Fowler alone, and for the benefit of the political class being covered. Readers, it seems, aren't owed that kind of transparency.
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Jane!
Hilarious photo
Well, at least “Mary” didn’t use any fucking cuss words.
thanks Jane.
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Yeah, Bill never made a mistake…
That’s the real crux of the story - the report did not ID themselves.
Well I guess this explains why Dana Milbank thinks every single comment is from one of his Post colleagues.
But it doesn’t explain why Gwen Ifill thinks every comment is from her mother…..
I guess Bill didn’t see the tape recorder.
Heh. Good catch Jane (and Jeff Jarvis).
Nothing scares the chattering classes more than the idea of a meritocracy.
I didn’t know that the blogger could look me up via IP address. Its a good think I never have said anything that might be incriminating or embarassing.
Mayhill Fowler has made quite a name for herself with that tape recorder. If it wasn’t for Huffpo I would not have ever heard of her. I think Huffpo is cheap tabloid trash compared to FDL.
I’m waiting for the politico’s article about body language analysis of the Moyers/Porter what’s his name exchange as if that was the real issue too.
I was channelsurfing last night and as i was headed to KO talking about the Moyer’s turnabout on the ambush, I am treating to Billo’s expert telling me how paternal and “one up” Moyers is by touching and jabbing in such close range (duh, it was cramped there) and billo saying “wow, crazy” friggin jerks.
Jane:
Is this really shocking coming from The Politico? They are funded by right wing nuts. There is a reason it’s called Drudgico. Glenn has been on their case all along. They are what Matt Drudge wishes he could be(Something that is treated respectfully, which is underserving, with TV gigs and the like).
EPU’ed so will try again
Another Adventure in Reading the New York Times
Eric Lichtblau is often considered a hero reporter because he broke the story on the NSA warrantless wiretapping program. Lost in the shuffle is that Lichtblau and the Times sat on the story for 14 months through the 2004 elections and the Times only decided to publish the story after Lichtblau learned that James Risen with whom he had done the original investigation was going to use this material in a book he was writing.
In today’s Times (June 10, 2008) Lichtblau has an article Return to Old Spy Rules Is Seen as Deadline Nears:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06.....tml?ref=us
It is a piece that Michael Gordon would be proud of it since uses one of his signature devices, the needlessly anonymous source:
As the last sentence indicates, this article is a hopeless, White House spinning botch. The revision that has been under consideration in Congress is precisely to FISA. Surveillance that is strictly foreign was never covered under FISA and has always been considered to be completely legitimate and not to require any legislative authorization. So right away, you see that Lichtblau is involved in a bait and switch.
Again this is just a straightforward lie. FISA covers cases where there is an American angle to the surveillance, i.e. if one end of a communication originates in this country or if the target is an American overseas. As I said above, FISA has nothing to do with foreign on foreign communication although this is a favorite talking point of right wingers.
Lichtblau does give some idea about what the Bush Administration is having fits about though:
In other words, blanket wiretaps. So say a resident of Dearborn, Michigan where 1/3 of the population is of Arab descent calls someone in the Middle East then very likely he/she and the person they called were “targets” and got hoovered up.
As to the politics of this, Lichtblau blows through them. Democrats caved last year and voted for a 6 month extension the Protect America Act (PAA) before the August recess. They did so in part because DNI Mike McConnell lied to them, reneged on a deal he had made with them, and then fabricated threats to pressure them. When the issue was taken up at the end of last year, the spirited opposition of Chris Todd forced the enabling Harry Reid to back off. Then the Republicans, you know the party of National Security, began to play political games with the issue. Despite this, Harry Reid and Jay Rockefeller successfully caved and the Senate passed an amended FISA Act on February 12. Boehner and Republicans in the House tried a similar but when they voted against the House bill, to the surprise of both Republicans and Democratic leaders, a group of Democratic progressives joined them and voted the bill down. As a result, the PAA expired. It did not die completely, however. Wiretaps begun under it could run for a year, meaning that these would start to expire in August. The principal snag in this for Bush was the issue of immunity for the telecoms. The telecoms didn’t need immunity because they were covered under existing law. The certainly didn’t deserve it, but that wasn’t the point. Immunity would kill the lawsuits that might expose the extent of domestic spying that Bush and his Adminstration had been engaged in. Lichtblau covers none of this. Instead we get spin. There were problems, now there are negotiations, both sides “have given some ground in the talks.” Yeah, right.
As for the FISA court (FISC), Lichtblau raises the scary possibility noted above that “individual warrants, potentially thousands of them” might have to be prepared for approval by the FISC and notes:
So the FISC is portrayed as this insuperable obstacle to foreign surveillance. Yet of some 25,000 FISA requests from 1979 through 2007, the FISC has turned down a total of 9.
http://epic.org/privacy/wireta.....stats.html
Lichtblau also raises the issue of foreign communications going through American switches. Again this is a diversion. All sides have signaled that they would be willing to sign off on this and if Bush and the Republicans wanted a bill on this, they could have had it 10 months ago. Lichtblau even uses the old line that the Democrats want to get this over and done with by the convention because by caving in to the Republicans and a deeply unpopular President at the end of his term they will appear strong on national security.
Perhaps the most disingenuous flourish in the whole article Lichtblau saves for the end when he accords the last word finally to a real critic Caroline Fredrickson of the ACLU. “Why not just kick it down the road” through a short-term extension, she asked. “If there’s a need to do something, they should do the least harm possible.” This is the traditional media’s idea of balance: write a whole article full of spin and distortion, throw in a final comment by someone with an opposing view and voilà you have achieved fairness and balance.
“Mary” as in “Mary Rosh“?
Geez, Mr. Calderone, try to be original next time.
I treat any and all articles about more revisions to FISA as birdcage liner. Fortunately, we have Hugh to debunk the lies.
what’s the latest in congress on the status of the bill? stalled out?
Best case: They pass a real FISA revision without all the Republican fuckery in it. Not going to happen.
Next best: They do nothing.
Not so goo: They do a short extension and kick it to the next Administration and the next Congress.
Worst case: They pass a Republican-style compromise where the Republicans get everything they want and the Democrats get to agree with them.
so, this is one of the slightly complicated situations.
Bill fucked up and should have known better. No way he had any expectation of privacy there.
Fowler was not doing professional journalism. Asking “what do you think of this hatchet job” without identifying herself or her intent to publish the response is not what an ethical journalist would do. Doesn’t excuse Bill’s response, but she’s not exactly a good guy.
Anonymity on the internet is a different beast. I might point out that several front pagers at fdl routinely uses anonymous identities. But,not with intent to decieve (as far as I know). And I applaud the increase towards using real names. (happy to give mine to anyone who cares.)
Sock-puppetting is not ok. That is intent to deceive. And often done to make one person appear to be many.
Thanks PW. I had no idea.
Kind of funny that the sock puppet would use “Mary” as the nom de plume. What was her last name Rosh?
i just finished reading this article (now that the SJC hearing is over). thought my head was going to explode. this has got to be one of the worst articles the NYT has published - and that’s saying a lot.
Three terrorist fist jabs for sock puppetry.
-E.D. Over the Hill
it sure read like a setup — leaking the pre-determined outcome so they could say “told you so” later. and trying to shut off any real discusion. grrr ….
Awwwwwww (((((Jane)))))
U lil scamp. You must be driving these socket polyps crazy.
i didn’t say that. i just wouldn’t. no, that’s 10 other people did that.
is the problem that mary was a journalist, or that she was journalist with a dog in the fight?
or do you-all believe that mary is calderone?
hey everyone, you’re gonna love this, it’s from think progress right now;
so, is it possible for those who committed these crimes to NOT be charged?
this is really big stuff right here, I don’t think they can get away without preferring charges
DURBIN: And how could it be within the pay grade of those below you to understand whether what they’re doing is torture or not?
__________
Ding, ding, ding.
“it’s not within my pay grade”… that’s certainly reassuring.
good catch
but I believe caprino was very happy answering the question and just wanted to give SOME illusion that she was being evasive
I am positive the real professionals want to see these criminals brought to the bar of justice
“That’s above my pay grade” has long been a cop-out used within government and contracting circles when someone does not want to commit to a decision that could be wrong or get them in political hot water.
GMTA!
It’s not permissible in the United States. To do it “in” the United States…or not permissible for United States agencies to do it…anywhere.
Which is it?
We know that it is not permissible to do it according to international law, and we know that the United States is party to international treaties that say so…so, I don’t think it is “permissible” either in the United States by representatives of the United States or outside the United States by representatives of the United States. Now, if they are hiring foreign or domestic contractors to do it anywhere, it is still the representatives of the United States that are hiring out torture.
It was the lamest of beg-offs, ‘eh?
No Sale.
Clear, Bright Bottom Line:
We have tortured people, and everyone is scurrying hard and fast away from accountability.
with testimony like this, how will they avoid preferrng charges?
Via Froomkin, Laura Bush on her husband’s legacy:
I think that reference to hindsight is that you would have to be an ass to believe this.
The LA Times fired one of their columnists for doing that on someone else’s site. They thought it was unethical.
Harris’s standards seem to be much lower.
Dunno. Trot out a battalion of David Broders to loudly lament the “criminalization of policy differences”?
;)
Seriously, never underestimate the weasling ability of Bu’ushist running dogs.
She’s in over her pay grade.
…in keeping with his former employer…
bingo ;)
Hineysight?
The Pudlitico
what a grand waste of a public forum– taking up space for fun.
nice, real nice John Harris– so sorry to hear that the wapo did not keep you busy enough not to indulge in protracted “nonsense”.
Oh dear!
Jane, who will break the news to Politico that Sock Puppets engage in same-sex Sock Puppetry?
How could they’ve not known? And did Politico wash their hands afterwards?
Jane, it’s great to see you rasslin’ with John Harris again. We should maybe flood Politico.com with differently-named sockpuppets and see if his policy is still the same when he’s the victim of it?
heh
Jane’s a couple of flights up taking on Comcast
this is an excellent post, Jane. i caught it over at HuffPo. You are sounding like you are semi channeling Glenn. That’s a compliment. You and he are my favorite “ones who thoroughly NAIL!”.
Thanks for this and also for the Comcast post. Both are completely relevant to the current conversation and required reading for anyone who cares about that necessary cornerstone of democracy, a free media!