Digby noticed this at the Cunning Realist -- and yes, it does indeed sound like something John McCain should be asked about:
John McCain's flip-flops, corrections, and red-faced clarifications are getting an increasing amount of attention. But let's not forget the mother of all memory hole shuntings. From McCain's foreword to Halberstam's The Best and the Brightest (I'm still waiting for the candidate to be asked about this):
It was a shameful thing to ask men to suffer and die, to persevere through god-awful afflictions and heartache, to endure the dehumanizing experiences that are unavoidable in combat, for a cause that the country wouldn’t support over time and that our leaders so wrongly believed could be achieved at a smaller cost than our enemy was prepared to make us pay. No other national endeavor requires as much unshakable resolve as war. If the nation and the government lack that resolve, it is criminal to expect men in the field to carry it alone.
Maybe Fred Hiatt should be asked that as well? Look at today's wankitorial where the Washington Post's Chief War Apologist...after Krauthammer, Novak, various and sundry Kagans -- okay, one of the Washington Post's apologists -- uses Bush as a cat's paw to avoid his own record of enabling.
Maybe...just maybe, Fred Hiatt will some day read his own paper -- for if he did visit say, the "Walter Pincus Page" of the Post today, placed right after the JC Penny & Auto Dealer advertisements and just before those of the "adult bookstores" he could read things like this:
There is an important line in last week's Senate intelligence committee report on the Bush administration's prewar exaggerations of the threat posed by Saddam Hussein. It says that the panel did not review "less formal communications between intelligence agencies and other parts of the Executive Branch."
More important, there was no effort to obtain White House records or interview President Bush, Vice President Cheney or other administration officials whose speeches were analyzed because, the report says, such steps were considered beyond the scope of the report.
One obvious target for such an expanded inquiry would have been the records of the White House Iraq Group (WHIG), a group set up in August 2002 by then-White House Chief of Staff Andrew H. Card Jr.
Ah, but outside of Pincus and a few Dirty Effing Hippies no one will ask such impertinent questions, for they might cause an exclusion from the barbecue -- oh, how they love the dry rub.
But I'm guessing the people that will get asked are Jeremiah Wright -- Joe Lieberman -- Michael Ledeen -- the angry Clinton supporter -- or the "get a brain morans" guy.
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You know, I don’t even necessarily think McCain believes this war is worthwhile. I think he cares about John McCain and nothing more. War, ok…no war…that’s fine too. Whatever, just watch me smile.
John McCain has morphed into Dumb Inertia. Sad.
Too boot, this slow, clumsy, and incumbent juggernaut, with eyes so sad, yet mouth arched hideously upward, claims he shall usher in change.
the washington post’s walter pincus page:
6/9 - A15
6/6 - A3
6/4 - A12
6/4 - A17
6/2 - A11
6/1 - A11
today’s washington post’s front page includes:
Shelters Keep Tight Leash on Adoptions
Senate Votes To Privatize Its Failing Restaurants
I hope all the tools at the Post have stock options
http://finance.google.com/fina.....ngton+post
$956 a share is the ten year high reached on Dec 2004 current price 596 but that number does not include the fall in value of the American dollar:)
Any more cheerleading for the Bush economy and the Post will go broke. Who reads the business section of a newspaper or watches a Business News Channel that is either not growing or is constantly losing money?
I try not to read the NY times anymore but Ben Stein is so funny when he talks about how we should not worry about the economy.
Reading the Post when they talk about the War, the Economy, the Housing Crisis (its all subprime loans which is GOP code for African Americans) , the high price of gas (it has nothing to do with Iraq its that 2 months supply of gas and 3 cents cut in gas prices that the Liberals won’t let us drill for in Alaska) that is to blame.
The GOP controlled MSM is losing viewers/ readers why because they have been protecting Bush for the last 7 years. I think that the more they try to sell McCain the more they hurt him.
Bill Moyers addresses NCMR 2008
Is anyone keeping a record of all the MSM expert predictions on the war and the economy and how those predictions have turned out? Larry Kudlow, George Will, ” Krauthammer, Novak, various and sundry Kagans”
Malkin, Coulter, Rush, Friedmen, Judy Miller etc
I can never get enough of reading how wrong they all were
Mark Penn pens an op-ed. It’s an eye-opener on sticking with the message. It’s not the message that failed,apparently, but the money.
Shorter Penn.
Show me the money non-makers and I’ll show you the reason HC lost. (Oh yes, caucuses should have been done better, but they still matter less. They are “low turn out.”
So the message maker gets to point the finger at who, exactly? How does a campaign find itself without money even before the primaries begin?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06.....038;st=nyt
Good morning, pups. Sigh. It’s Kristol again, along with Cohen and Krugman. Billy “I’m such a moron I can’t get my facts straight” Kristol asks if it’s “A Campaign We Can Believe In?” He’s in a lather because he says Republicans he’s talked to are alarmed that the McCain campaign doesn’t seem up to the task of electing John McCain. From your lips to God’s ear, putz. Mr. Cohen writes about “The Good American and Monsieur Obama,” and says in French eyes, there’s a single good American: the Democratic Party nominee, Barack Obama. Mr. Krugman says “It’s a Different Country,” and that the de-racialization of U.S. politics has implications that go far beyond the possibility that we’re about to elect an African-American president.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and the biscuits are out of the oven. I hope y’all have a grand day, even if it is Monday.
Ross Perot & Nancy Reagan were the ones who paid for Carol McCain’s medical care and helped to take care of her, because Johnny McTeleprompter was too selfish and self-centered to care about anyone but himself:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem.....ehind.html
This tells me that John McTeleprompter will do nothing in the healthcare realm, but will say, “Screw off! If you can’t afford healthcare, you get no sympathy from me!”.
I like McTeleprompter less and less as the days go by.
Good morning all. After a blistering hot weekend here on the NH coast it is a little cooler this morning. My neighbour has removed her “Hillary” sign and put up the Obama sign we gave her.
It is an interesting group that Obama has for his veep search committee. It is good to see Carolyn K. with a voice at the table.
KAyinME. It is interesting that the goopers such as McSame and Gingrich both hold family values so dear to their hearts that they find it necessary to abandon their spouses when they get very sick.
I just read Hiatt’s editorial. It’s pretty hard to believe. He misquotes and cherry picks. It’s a thin argument, especially for people who are smart enough to read. Why do they print that shit? It’s simply not the facts. To call it opinion is too just wrong.
“in sickness and in health, until…” something better comes along
My friend, would you take your oath of office as seriously as your wedding vows?
How long before the WaPo merges with the Moonie Times? Now that’s entertainment! A marriage made in corporate media heaven.
Maybe if Hilary had a better message or a better campaign to tell her message she would have gotten more money? Hilary’s refusal to change her vote on the war after it turned out that Bush lied I think was the first mistake.
What Dem or GOPer for that matter has ever won the Presidency without the support of their base?
The Dem base is anti war! That and to be honest I want a better healthcare plan than Hilary or Obama have talked about.
The War and Healthcare were the biggest issues until the Economy tanked.
Huh? From the beginning, the nomination was hers to lose, which she managed to do by surrounding herself with neocon foreign-policy advisors, by serving on the board of directors of the DLC, by voting for Kyl-Lieberman, and by getting bizarrely argumentative in ways that insulted the intelligence of the voters, e.g., “McCain and I pass the commander-in-chief threshold.”
Hillary ignored the power of the web to raise money. Also I can’t remember the exact quote, and maybe someone can help me out, when she criticized Move-On as being a fringe element. That wasn’t the way to gain support among progressives.
Sorry. Was in the shower. ;-)
Yes, isn’t it “ironic” that those who walk around thumping their chests and acting all righteous and shit by saying they are the ONLY ones with high morals & values end up being exactly what they accuse others of NOT being? Nope. Not ironic. It’s a republic trait. The American Taliban wouldn’t know family values or morals if it was shown to them during one of the Savings & Loan scandals.
Exactly Mack. I ask the same question!
And why did John McTeleprompter’s father cover for the Israelis back in 1967 after the Israelis purposely attacked the USS Liberty killing 34 American soldiers?
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/.....es0712.htm
Whose side are the McTeleprompters on? It doesn’t appear to be America’s side at the moment.
”‘They never displayed any difficulties between themselves. I know the Reagans were quite shocked because they loved and respected both Carol and John.’”
”But Ross Perot, who paid her medical bills all those years ago, now believes that both Carol McCain and the American people have been taken in by a man who is unusually slick and cruel – even by the standards of modern politics.”
‘McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory,’ he said.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem.....ehind.html
Ross Perot and Ronald Reagan found McCain’s treatment of his first wife horrible? This is GOLD KayinMaine Gold! McCain thinks he can ditch Bush and claim Reagan’s mantle Bwahahaha!
Squirrel Boy and Mitt are both reading this right now thinking if they knew then what they know now then they would be President.
The story of McCain’s first wife will resonate with every woman who has been through a divorce. This could be a great Lifetime Channel movie.
Even Kristol hated the green background and their dumb ass slogan. Who could have come up with that? McCain is totally screwed. Only Republican hate can save him.
Good point Hilary did run against us her base but why? Nobody has ever won without the support of their base did dissing us ever get her 30%er votes? What exactly was Mark Penn hoping to accomplish by having Hilary diss us?
I remember when Jane, Christy and a bunch of other bloggers met Bill I thought the Dems get it what happened? I thought that we were going to work together?
ThingsComeUndone, I think it’s safe to say that Johnny McTeleprompter only cares about himself and his needs. After becoming a SuperStar from his time in Vietnam, apparently he felt he was owed things….you know…a disabled & disfigured wife isn’t the kind of prize he was looking for. Surprise! [enter Cindy Hensley McCain] Tah-dah! Yeah, yeah, let Ross Perot worry about the disfigured wife you’re cheating on so McCain can have the young wealthy woman all to himself!
I have zero respect for this man now. I don’t care if he saved an old man from being hit by a car with one hand while eating a sandwich with the other, it’s too late!
My theory on the green background is that way to close to the flag of Saudia Arabia to be a coincidence after all instead of going after Ossama we are fighting the Saudi’s enemy Iraq and now maybe Iran. Not only that but we are not getting any cheap oil out of the deal!
Its almost like Bush/McCain are more loyal to Saudia Arabia than they are to America.
Very OT; Good morning: Just hearing about the W trip this morning, “probably his last while he is Pres.” Then the follow up: Laura went on ahead to go to Afghanistan…Now what kind of fuel efficiency is that? Take 2 of those planes. Maybe it’s because she can’t stand to be on the same plane with him. Well, let’s just take 2 cars this time. The advance gave Laura the chance to say Afgh. is be part of her interest for the rest of her life: what has she been doing lately?
Do you take this woman through sickness and health?
That should appear on every anti McCain ad! Almost half of all women are divorced I think this story about the first McCain wife should get their votes.
almost?
that’s like saying “it’s almost as if water were wet”
Attaturk, Digby, and Cunning Realist!!!! Brilliant find! His very own words on a very important book — unless someone else wrote those words!!
Well, once a cheater always a cheater. Men like McTeleprompter go through life feeling they deserve the prizes that come their way and when the wife gets sick or is disfigured in a horrific crash, that’s when they go out of control looking for anything to positively reflect who they feel they are on the inside. Yeah, yeah, “Look for the young wealthy woman to make yourself feel better!”. Spit.
We can’t trust John McTeleprompter, because when America starts to look real ugly (more so than today…he’s perfectly okay with the current situation), he’ll turn his back on Americans and will head straight to the pretty people in Israel, Saudi Arabia, and Dubai! Yep. We can count on it. The End.
The unprovoked assault on the Liberty, which lasted 75 minutes, killed 34 brave Americans and wounded 172 others (Assault on the Liberty, James M. Ennes, Jr. and James Bamford’s Body of Secrets). The Israelis were trying to murder all 294 Americans on board the surveillance vessel, sink it, and make it look like the Egyptians had done it (Operation Cyanide, by Peter Hounam). The Israelis claimed it was “a mistake,” (See, Zionist Israel apologist’s Ahron Jay Cristol, “The Liberty Incident.” Cristol also smears those demanding justice in the Liberty matter as “conspiracy theorists.”)
Now, here’s the kicker: One of the Navy bigwigs pushing hard for a sanitized Liberty inquiry was none other than Sen. McCain’s father, Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., Commander-in-Chief, Naval Forces Europe. He wanted the investigation done in less than a week. Boston said a “proper inquiry would take at least six months.” Admiral McCain also wouldn’t permit Admiral Kidd to travel to Israel or to contact any potential Israelis witnesses. In fact, according to Boston, the written affidavits of 60 witnesses from the Liberty itself, who were hospitalized at the time of the restricted Inquiry, were also excluded from the final report and not considered as part of the evidentiary record. Boston is convinced, too, that the Israelis’ machine-gunning of the Liberty’s lifeboats, while the crew was trying desperately to assist their colleagues that were seriously wounded, was “a war crime.” Boston said higher ups wanted “to put a lid on everything” concerning the Liberty.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/.....es0712.htm
KayinMaine you are on fire today I would love to see Holy Joe’s face if we were to investigate this finally!
Besides chain smoking cigarettes and being strung out on Xanax (a medicated First Lady is good in keeping secrets secret), she’s looking forward to meeting with Hamid Karzai, you know, the former top guy at Unocal.
http://www.counterpunch.org/tomenron.html
She’s hoping no one will notice, because as Laura sees it, if she can’t see it then nobody can because she’s on Xanax all the time! See? Children think like that. If their eyes are closed no one else can see. LOL
(Actually, I don’t know if she’s going to meet with Karzai, but I just found this as an opportunity to bring up who is really running Afghanistan. That’s all.) ;-)
Okay, going to work. Have a great day everyone!
I think it says that he is shallow, immature and probably incapable of feeling love I don’t think he should be in the White House.
Of course is John really happy with the new wife, the fame, money, the power? all those temper tantrums he has suggest otherwise:)
See what happens when I wake up in a pissed off mood? LOL Now that it’s an Obama v. McTeleprompter race, we need to be talking about these things. If we don’t do it, the ROM (republican owned media) sure as hell won’t.
Have a great day everyone. ;-)
I was just trying to put a catty spin on a fact everyone already knows but might not have given much thought to by implying with a wink:)
I hope everything you dug up today gets more coverage!
thingscomeundone and kay–
the daily mail article about mccain’s former wife—
if that article is the same one (i can’t get it to load this morning) sampley was attacked and debunked in detail yesterday starting at petro’s post of it and then raven at 110, then goes on from there.
http://firedoglake.com/2008/06.....nt-1486016
Why would ANYONE send their wife into a war zone. There is no ‘political’ reason for that woman to go. She has NO political power (not in charge of anything/not really relevant etc. The troops are too busy trying to stay alive/sane. Why would they even want to waste time having to dress up/clean the base etc plus the security side of the equation..
Stupid/dangerous idea, so why?
new thread and a ‘fitz!’ to claim
Wow, who knows? She has been almost nothing lately as far as I know. She may be contemplating the terms of her divorce. The link above from KaylnMaine is very interesting.
I believe there are more Kagans in Washington than Baldwins in Hollywood.
Howdy Kay! (If you’re still around.)
Should have said “doing” nothing…lately. Sorry.
Yes I know, I’ve been interested in that story too. The McCain* connection is just more dots connecting. That whole story is huge..
‘She may be contemplating the terms of her divorce.’
Possibly, but I bet she has to do it carefully! Not nice folks, her husband and Co, and she knows more, much more than we do.. If that was me, I’d be a bit worried…
wasn’t there a rumor she cought bush wil condi?
I think randi rhodes had the info but it didn’t have legs
Ross Perot from the Mail article:
“After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.”
Wow. So much for “Family Values” eh? If your present family is worth less than your future family it’s ok to just split? Nice.
Middle two graphs are quotes. Why do blockquoted paragraphs not stay together in the same tag?
Warren Buffett owns a big chuck of the WaPo. This from the days when he helped Katherine Graham take over after her husband’s death.
Although Buffett’s MO is “letting management manage,” he can’t be too happy to see Hiatt & Downie run the legendary paper over the cliff. He’s also smart and has some progressive values, particularly on tax policy.
It will be interesting to see what Buffett does with Berkshire Hathaway’s chunk of WaPo stock. Fire sale, anyone?
Gramps McSame: MisLeadership you can count on - to lie and flip-flop.