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	<title>Comments on: Pentagon Manual: OK to Destroy Gitmo Interrogation Notes</title>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487868</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 18:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Army, like any good bureaucracy, puts what it wants done into a manual.  There’s a rule for everything.  Which is why senior enlisted personnel who can circumvent them without getting caught are in high demand.  Tossing notes is “good” because what they might reveal is “bad”.  Think about that for a moment.  Pretty strong indicator of a guilty state of mind, wouldn’t you say?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The notes would be bad because they might reveal what really happened, how things really got done and at what cost.  It was such an obvious risk and of concern to so many people that the caution to throw notes away made it very early into the appropriate manual.  Then they hid the manual and its procedure behind a now torn cloak of secrecy.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If the risks were so obvious, why was so much care and attention devoted to avoiding their disclosure rather than curing the underlying problem?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I call the Army’s approach the General Motors Response.  Decades ago (time is relative in the Pentagon), it used to be said (by a former GM vice president and Pentagon official) that what’s good for the Pentagon is good for GM (and its other industrial suppliers) - and vice versa.  Substitute Blackwater and the secret intel “community” and you’re up to date.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It wasn’t much of a stretch for Japanese engineers, and the expatriate American engineers that Detroit wouldn’t listen to, to point out that fixing problems after they happen isn’t as efficient as rooting them out at the source.  Is it cheaper to repaint the blistered hood on every third car off the assembly line - or to fix the paint line?  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Pentagon is still laboriously repainting hoods.  Here, in the form of hiding what it readily recognized was dangerous, probably illegal conduct in order to bolster its “legal” claims against its prisoners.  The idea that it might establish better legal claims against enemies intent on doing physical harm — and that it should release hundreds or thousands of people it has no valid reason to detain — seems as foreign to this administration as the idea that it might be healthy to pull its drinking water upstream from where it goes potty.  Its failure to do that results in intestinal diseases, in the form of legal and moral corruption, that plague the entire community, not just the Pentagon and its political masters.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Army, like any good bureaucracy, puts what it wants done into a manual.  There’s a rule for everything.  Which is why senior enlisted personnel who can circumvent them without getting caught are in high demand.  Tossing notes is “good” because what they might reveal is “bad”.  Think about that for a moment.  Pretty strong indicator of a guilty state of mind, wouldn’t you say?  </p>
<p>The notes would be bad because they might reveal what really happened, how things really got done and at what cost.  It was such an obvious risk and of concern to so many people that the caution to throw notes away made it very early into the appropriate manual.  Then they hid the manual and its procedure behind a now torn cloak of secrecy.  </p>
<p>If the risks were so obvious, why was so much care and attention devoted to avoiding their disclosure rather than curing the underlying problem?  </p>
<p>I call the Army’s approach the General Motors Response.  Decades ago (time is relative in the Pentagon), it used to be said (by a former GM vice president and Pentagon official) that what’s good for the Pentagon is good for GM (and its other industrial suppliers) &#8211; and vice versa.  Substitute Blackwater and the secret intel “community” and you’re up to date.  </p>
<p>It wasn’t much of a stretch for Japanese engineers, and the expatriate American engineers that Detroit wouldn’t listen to, to point out that fixing problems after they happen isn’t as efficient as rooting them out at the source.  Is it cheaper to repaint the blistered hood on every third car off the assembly line &#8211; or to fix the paint line?  </p>
<p>The Pentagon is still laboriously repainting hoods.  Here, in the form of hiding what it readily recognized was dangerous, probably illegal conduct in order to bolster its “legal” claims against its prisoners.  The idea that it might establish better legal claims against enemies intent on doing physical harm — and that it should release hundreds or thousands of people it has no valid reason to detain — seems as foreign to this administration as the idea that it might be healthy to pull its drinking water upstream from where it goes potty.  Its failure to do that results in intestinal diseases, in the form of legal and moral corruption, that plague the entire community, not just the Pentagon and its political masters.</p>
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		<title>By: Knut</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487677</link>
		<dc:creator>Knut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 15:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Time’s running short.  It’s hard to believe that the trials will be over (and the defendants executed as originally planned in order to physially destroy evidence of torture) before next January 20.  Yet that’s what the Bush junta have to do for them to pull it off.  Assuming Obama is the next President, he can reverse all this stuff by executive order.  There’s still a lot of Pixie Dust left in the Presidential can.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The more the administration tries to rush these trials, the worse it is going to be for them down the line.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time’s running short.  It’s hard to believe that the trials will be over (and the defendants executed as originally planned in order to physially destroy evidence of torture) before next January 20.  Yet that’s what the Bush junta have to do for them to pull it off.  Assuming Obama is the next President, he can reverse all this stuff by executive order.  There’s still a lot of Pixie Dust left in the Presidential can.</p>
<p>The more the administration tries to rush these trials, the worse it is going to be for them down the line.</p>
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		<title>By: hackworth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487564</link>
		<dc:creator>hackworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Twas an outrageous and brazen act for a “bonafide news outlet” to attempt to intimidate and shame Moyers from participation by suggesting that he was “one of them”. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, they were really looking for a sound byte for “Der Factor” that would demonstrate that Moyers is a commie pinko.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twas an outrageous and brazen act for a “bonafide news outlet” to attempt to intimidate and shame Moyers from participation by suggesting that he was “one of them”. </p>
<p>Of course, they were really looking for a sound byte for “Der Factor” that would demonstrate that Moyers is a commie pinko.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487560</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/08/fox-news-producer-ambushes-bill-moyers-gets-taste-of-his-own-medicine/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Moyers Takes Goon’s Lunch Money&lt;/a&gt; . . .film at eleven :D&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/08/fox-news-producer-ambushes-bill-moyers-gets-taste-of-his-own-medicine/" rel="nofollow">Moyers Takes Goon’s Lunch Money</a> . . .film at eleven :D</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487559</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 14:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy’s up with a new thread: &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/mccain-is-wooing-the-wimmins/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;McCain Wooing The Wimmins&lt;/a&gt;?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy’s up with a new thread: <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/mccain-is-wooing-the-wimmins/" rel="nofollow">McCain Wooing The Wimmins</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487558</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’m sure Moyers was very upset that O’Reilly didn’t approve of his participation.  Interesting situation: O’Reilly seems to give a fig about what Moyers says, but the converse?  No way.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m sure Moyers was very upset that O’Reilly didn’t approve of his participation.  Interesting situation: O’Reilly seems to give a fig about what Moyers says, but the converse?  No way.</p>
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		<title>By: hackworth</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487557</link>
		<dc:creator>hackworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Moyers was harrassed by Fox News (O’Reilly Factor goons) in an effort to shame him from participating in that public forum (on account of too many far left loons). Moyers stood his ground.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moyers was harrassed by Fox News (O’Reilly Factor goons) in an effort to shame him from participating in that public forum (on account of too many far left loons). Moyers stood his ground.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487556</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;another good one from moyers:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Edward R. Murrow told his generation of journalists, no one can eliminate their prejudices. Just recognize them.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>another good one from moyers:</p>
<blockquote><p>Edward R. Murrow told his generation of journalists, no one can eliminate their prejudices. Just recognize them.</p>
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		<title>By: Bilbo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487555</link>
		<dc:creator>Bilbo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Title: &lt;em&gt;My Pet Waterboard&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Title: <em>My Pet Waterboard</em></p>
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		<title>By: Badwater</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/09/pentagon-manual-encouraged-destruction-of-interrogation-notes/#comment-1487554</link>
		<dc:creator>Badwater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Also students, when you write, please use simple sentences and common words.  We want Bush to be able to read your writings and understand that he is not being vindicated.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also students, when you write, please use simple sentences and common words.  We want Bush to be able to read your writings and understand that he is not being vindicated.</p>
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