But Vicki Iseman likes him!

Morning egregious! Coffee?

Just remember ABBA means “daddy” in english.

[…holds out cup] Thank you kindly.

Thanks Christy.

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Who’s yer ABBA ?

And I can thankfully say that I never owned or wore a “leisure suit” in my entire life.

“morning, Christy. Was SCHIP one of the monitored votes?

Hi Christy. Ya know, I can’t force myself to look at that clip. The thought of going through the rest of this day with that running around in my brain puts my hands in my pockets.

I believe that they are now called “seizure suits” and still popular in the rest homes.

I just saw some woman on MSNBC talking about how bad the Dem Primary has been for McCain ’cause he can’t get any attention from the media. I’m thinking the best thing for him is to shut up and hide until the election. Once women start to figure out his record, he’ll be in even bigger trouble.

Leisure Suit is a handy metaphor for the unhip, the dated.

e.g.: Bill Clinton – political leisure suit.

mweee heeeee

Morning egregious! Coffee?

Ugh. Someone here turned off the coffee machine over the weekend. I’m all for being environmentally-friendly and turning off “vampire accessories”, but the coffee machine is off-limits. If I haven’t had coffee already, I have a very limited set of skills to draw on. Pushing the “brew” button is about all I can manage. It didn’t even occur to me to make sure the damn thing was on. And twenty minutes later, I had to sit there and figure out why there was no coffee.

Well yeah…he thinks women are *unts and trollops. I don’t think he likes women at all.

McBush goal is to peel off some of the angry Hillary supporters. Some of them are so angry, they’d vote for Bush before they’d vote for Obama. But some might yet support Obama, if they’re given a chance to look at his platform. McBush intends to try to keep them angry all the way to Novemeber, so they’ll vote for him to teach Obama a lesson.

There are enough folks like that to swing some key states.

Boxturtle (We expected this)

Good morning Christy. I hope all is well at Reddhouse today.

Dandy post. I keep envisioning McSame campaign events with little complimentary paper cups of green jello with bananas in it. Blergh.

Bay Buchanan’s screed is a hoot. When that wimmen be whinin’, she’s gotta be in a world a’ hurt. BIG pityparty in bewe-cannon households these days.. Tough… I haven’t a tear to spare.

Oh, and please add a “zero” on environmental vote scorecards for McSame. I hear tell some wimmens might *gasp* even care about their children’s future.

http://capwiz.com/lcv_stage/db…..;submit=go

But won’t women respond positively to how McCain was so compasionate the way he dumped his first wife Carol a year after he started his affair with his wealthy second wife Cindy?

((((( Christy )))))

The young ‘un is much better today … methinks a promise to make Cherry Chip Cupcakes
played a major role … *g*

New McCain slogan: Do Ya Think I’m Sexy

now. that’s. just. sad. *reaches for tissue*

really. pathetic.

ARGH! My parents had an album of Englebert Humperdink singing that song! Thanks for taking me back to Queens, New York, and our stereo cabinet with the fabric-covered speakers crooning Englebert Humperdink and Bobby Vinton. Now I have to go scrub my brain with Brill-o, lest I go through the day with Carol Kane as Valerie shouting “Humpahdink! Humpahdink! Humpadink!”

the visions and the sounds – - help me – it’s just ugly

kinda tacky, eh?

I wish I could have been a fly on the wall at the strategy meeting that came up with this gem. “We need to get chicks to vote for us. Especially old chicks. Wait, if they’re old, are they really ‘chicks’? Hmm. ‘Old bags’, that’s it! We need to get some of Hillary’s old bags to vote for us. What do ‘old bags’ really like? Anyone? Anyone at all? Bob, you talk to your wife sometimes, don’t you? What does she like? Didn’t she drag you to some play when you were in New York last summer? What was THAT all about? Only pussies go to plays. Anyway, what was the play about?”

Good Morning Christy and Firedogs,

Christy – thank you for some humor in slogging through the effluent that is McStain messaging

go ahead Charlie, officially rename it the Hunka Hunka Burnin’ Love Tour – you can sell McCain Trusses at intermission :D

Perhaps Zappa’s “Dancin’ Fool” would be better?

linkie please.

IMO McBush has always viewed himself throughout life as a warrior “ladies’ man” in the TopGun “need for speed” sense of the phrase (so many jokelines can be made of that alone). And of course he really has been- except it’s been in the Californication sense.

Californication: Ladies Man

brain bleach in aisle 29, STAT!

I hope Abba tells him he can’t use their music in his campaign.

I think of another cinematic parallel.

The Right Stuff

Pancho Barnes would have referred to John (Five Crash) McCain as a pudknocker.

She was a better pilot than McFlake.

I’m John McCain, male prostitute. I work with the truss m’am.

-G

He thinks Roe should be overturned.

In 2000, Dubya kept weasling on that point. He could not come out and say he wanted to overturn Roe v Wade. Gore tried to make Dubya say it and he wouldn’t. In 2008, can the Republican candidate now come right out and say he opposes Roe and use it as a positive?

Well, alright, GregB. First huge laugh of my day ;).

I’m John McCain and I approve this massage !

Englebert Humperdink YouTube.

Cripes the knives are out!

dis campain gonna already be UGH-LY!

Meanwhile, Obama is in NC helping turn that state from red to blue. Larry Kissell has a new diary, recs appreciated.

“roger you roundly”

Oh, the earth moved! It really did!

McPudknocker! I like!

John McCain Can’t Smile Without You

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..re=related

I love the idea of McThuselah using ABBA music. It’ll bring out all teh gays and make for interesting campaign events!

And on that note I think the weather in the east right now would be great for McThuselah to be out campaigning in. I can just see him wilting into a little puddle, kinda like the wicked witch.

John crashed 5 times?

Y’all laugh all you want, this is what a President McCain’s presser is gonna look like …

I saw this today too:

Why is McCain getting $58,000 a year in disability income?
by John Aravosis
So is McCain “technically” disabled, and taking $58,000 a year tax free from the government, or is he actually disabled?
http://www.americablog.com/200…..ar-in.html

Have to say, this burns my ass in a lot of ways, being someone who was once on disability and now has the government scarf up every tax refund because they say they “overpaid me.”

As politely as I can, I ask what women would vote for a man who stands against almost all women’s right, against adequate healthcare for everyone, and so on. I cannot imagine voting for him. And I ask are the women who are saying they will vote McCain, really dems at all? How can one put aside all that is at stake. Bill told us to fall in love, then fall in line back in 2003 when I ‘loved’ Howard Dean.

And I had to vote Kerry no matter how angry I was.

i gotta go gang. Can’t stand this far rightie stuff. Makes me blue. *g*

Oh lordy, that’s a cruel and unusual work environment in my book!

No but he can say He will appoint a Scalia type judge which is GOP code for no more abortions. There is one problem though I think everyone knows the code this election.

Yes, a reverse ace.

we had a lengthy discussion about that on late night last night. How dare he—with the uber wealthy wife—be taking those tax free payments while voting against benefits for the vets of this war!

It is wrong in so many ways.

A Republic can if he has enough faith in Dibold.

ThingsComeUndone

http://www.vietnamveteransagai…..five_u.htm

Great catch.

Thanks, I missed it.

personal experience dictates one steers clear of the flyboys . . .they have to be first in everything :D

Don’t forget the Janet Reno as Chelsea’s real father joke — something I think we need to get out there a lot more thoroughly.

(((Quaker girl)))

After the third crash you would think the Navy would have grounded him, made him pee in a cup, get him some glasses. After the fourth crash who cares is dad and grand dad were Admirals he should have been out as a pilot. Is that normal for a pilot to crash 5 times. Cause I think my car insurance should be a lot lower then.

Did McCain father that joke? I don’t know who that joke came from.

Here’s a scary quote from a neighbor who was a strong Hillary supporter. “I think I’ll vote McCain. He was respectful to Hillary during the campaign and I think she’ll work better with him”

Boxturtle (Anger, especially rightous anger, can make people act against their own best interests)

Bom dia pups

Who knew that all disaffected women Hillary supporters were ABBA fans.

A joke too bad to print?

He told it in public at an event when Chelsea ws still in her teens as I recall.

The media covered for him pretty well.

-G

We can’t use too much energy worrying or being scared about people like that.

McCain’s fourth aircraft loss occurred July 29, 1967, soon after he was assigned to the USS Forrestal as an A-4 Skyhawk pilot. While seated in the cockpit of his aircraft waiting his turn for takeoff, an accidently fired rocket slammed into McCain’s plane. He escaped from the burning aircraft, but the explosions that followed killed 134 sailors, destroyed at least 20 aircraft, and threatened to sink the ship.

http://www.vietnamveteransagai…..five_u.htm

He killed 134 of our sailors and twenty aircraft…uh was there an enemy pilot in the Viet Nam war who took out more aircraft than John McCain?

McCain spells it out on his own website. He will fight to overturn Roe v Wade. Follow the link in Christy’s post above. Then follow that link to McCreep’s website. Its right there.

Read that discussion. McBush’ lifestyle & his campaign pronouncements so far are an abomination to all, & more precisely to our vets, for which he will pay dearly in 11/08. The folks who this effects are watching closely.

Best to you & yrs., RevDeb.

Have to get to office. Read you all later.

Print out Christy’s post and give a copy of it to your neighbor. Maybe not right away, but it should be helpful.

He didn’t kill them.

That’s kind of amazing that he doesn’t know if condoms help prevent HIV. So much for straight talk.

McCain was nearly 40 years old when women got equal rights. He didn’t leave the Navy til much later. Wonder what his opinion of women is like.

I thought, after viewing your Engelbert video, and have seen McCain’s awkward grimacing smiles in his speech last week, that surely this was in store.

They are ****s and trollops….and that’s what he thinks about the one he’s married to.

Cliff Schecter broke in his book, THE REAL MCCAIN, that St. John occasionally uses the “c” word to refer to women.

He’s a class act.

For 23 combat missions (an estimated 20 hours over enemy territory), the U.S. Navy awarded McCain a Silver Star, a Legion of Merit for Valor, a Distinguished Flying Cross, three Bronze Stars, two Commendation medals plus two Purple Hearts and a dozen service medals.

“McCain had roughly 20 hours in combat,” explains Bill Bell, a veteran of Vietnam and former chief of the U.S. Office for POW/MIA Affairs — the first official U.S. representative in Vietnam since the 1973 fall of Saigon. “Since McCain got 28 medals,” Bell continues, “that equals out to about a medal-and-a-half for each hour he spent in combat. There were infantry guys — grunts on the ground — who had more than 7,000 hours in combat and I can tell you that there were times and situations where I’m sure a prison cell would have looked pretty good to them by comparison. The question really is how many guys got that number of medals for not being shot down.”

http://www.vietnamveteransagai…..five_u.htm

My bold I have never seen a bosses son so favored I am impressed!

Yes, but time and exposure to McCain isn’t exactly endearing, either. Distance is his friend. Give your neighbor time to process everything and take a good, long look at him in the full light of day. Here’s hoping the media will do the same…but I’m not exactly holding my breath.

Has he tried presenting a video of a male chorus, with him as conductor, singing “Having My Baby”?

Sorry I missed it last night. I also have to question how his doctor’s give him a clean bill of health to run for president while he draws disability. Interesting.

I don’t doubt you but thats insane even Bush weaseled on that question.

He called Hillary a bitch on video.
He called Chelsea ugly.
He insulted Janet Reno on two levels.
He insulted his wife in front of reporters.

The man hates women.

Well, certainly, checking out Biff Diggerence’s link, when one was a trainer he was flying solo from an army/navy game. (a breath test would have been good, too!)

This guy’s thinking on everything is so outdated. People say his age isn’t important, or worth discussing, but come on. This guy has no idea about how people think these days. Or how they work or live. What does he think of sushi? He doesn’t think that Facebook has anything to offer because to him, it’s all “the internet”. It’s like my neighbor, who is about McCain’s age who came home a couple years ago saying, “We have to get on the web.” And he bought a computer and it sits in his closet. He has no idea what it’s for.

wait, did that rocket come from another aircraft? Why would this count?

yep. that’s part of the discussion too.

So much on the surface to report—you don’t even have to work hard or dig too deep.

IF we had a working press, McThuselah would never have gotten this far. Alas, we don’t.

That’s the ol’ Maverick in him. The women who have been thusly addressed should speak out. The men who have been a party to that dialogue should likewise speak up.

Here’s a quote from one of my neighbors who was also a strong Hillary advocate.

McCain? Are you kidding me. I wouldn’t vote for that putz if he were the only candidate running.

Does he call his interns “honey”? Does he playfully slap them on the ass?

To be fair, Hillary has probably referred to her husband as an asshole.

I disagree, I’m afraid there are enough folks out there like her to swing the election and I think Obama MUST find a way to reach out to them. Ignoring them and pretending they aren’t there won’t work. They don’t feel like democrats, that has to change.

Boxturtle (And change before they feel like McBush Republicans)

In one of the more bitterly ironic developments. Those being hardest hit by the increase in gas prices are those in rural areas with low wages.

Bush’s base.

-G

I’d give you the link, but three clicks will take you there yourself. Click on Roe in Christy’s post and follow the yellow tooth road.

Newt Gingrich could be called upon to give McCain some tips on upholding family values such as marital fidelity.

I’m more evil than that. I pointed her at this thread and I suspect she’s reading now. Hi Molly!

Boxturtle (Ears is up here, playing with the Huskies if you worried)

Don’t think McC is making much of an impression in the South. Talked to relatives last night in Ms and they feel that Ms may very well get close to blue this time. They are all voting for Obama.

I still think that we should go after the Republican issues than the person of John McCain because he is easily replaceable – especially since the GOP is waiting up to the fact he might not win. if all our efforts are on taking the person down and leaving the GOP untouched, and McCain is switched out, we will have wasted our time, money, and efforts.

That’s very true. McBush will ultimately be our best spokesman, but I must admit I’m sure glad the election isn’t tomorrow!

Boxturtle (Though his FIRST wife could be a powerful spokesperson)

Go back and read what I wrote. I never said ignore them. I said we can’t spent TOO much time on them. We have to move forward and hope that they come along or join us later but we can’t lag back with them. Too much work to do.

Apparently, she supports him.

Sorry George – Calling Bill Clinton an a**hole is NOT the same thing as calling your wife the ‘c’ word. Sorry. Not the same thing at all. If she’d called him a sch**ck, THAT would be the same thing.

Given McCain’s record as a pilot and his ability to keep flying even after accidents well maybe a rocket accidently fired but that sounds like a manufacturing problem in which case with sailors dead there would be an investigation or maybe it was a serious screw up by a sailor in which case someone would get court martialed.
Or maybe McCain fired the rocket himself but didn’t release it from his plane this is pure speculation on my part
but when people die there is normally an investigation and someone is found guilty.
Also wouldn’t the planes be the only thing on the ship with rockets? Don’t the rockets need some kind of electrical charge to launch would dropping a rocket on the ground cause it to launch?
These are all interesting questions which normally I wouldn’t ask but 5 crashes makes me suspicious.

What about putz?

And that is NOW, when we don’t need to be burning fuel oil to warm the houses. Wait for November, folks.

What did he call his own wife a Trollup?

time/energy

I’m sure she called him that too, but I agree. It’s not the same thing at all.

Even W has a more progressive idea of women than McCain, and that is not a compliment to W.

To be fair, Hillary has probably referred to her husband as an asshole.

In public? It makes a difference.

Ah, so. Yes, I misread.

I agree, we can’t fixate on it. That group isn’t our only concern and they MIGHT not be our biggest concern. Our biggest concern may well be connecting to rural middle-of-the-road who aren’t really comfortable with Obama.

Boxturtle (Manageable, if he speaks to them after Hillary introduces him)

She does. In a way, that hurts more than it helps. Why does she support McCain and say that she likes him and that he is the best candidate? They have a child together – that’s one thing. What’s another?

Only his wife.

As I understand it, he was just a pilot in a plane that got hit by the accidental firing of a rocket from another aircraft. That caused the explosion that caused the fire that killed all the sailors. So, I don’t think it had anything at all to do with anything he did other than he was able to escape before his plane exploded. I’m sure there was an investigation.

Good Goddess, I would never have believed that!

Boxturtle (Though they say that motorcycle gang girls actually LIKE being trated like that)

and a *unt.

True but at this late date any switch would show the GOP as desperate which they are, they need John to have a heart attack or something so he can bow out gracefully. But could any GOPer beat Obama now? Who would want to run now when in four years the odds might be much better.
Even Mitt can’t compete with Obama’s cash and he owns a hedgefund.

ok

Hi Redd

Nice combing of the voting record. Bet there’s a lot more there to mine.

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Bush’s fake military record didn’t hurt him in his elections. McCains’s record won’t hurt him. In fact, his POW time helps his legend. Since the military events happened 40 years ago, it’s better to after the present day McCain. Atter all, that’s who’s running.

McCain’s had an extra $58K a year in VA disability income for play money. Much of it has gone to support his ex-wife. She drives a Mercedes with a McCain sticker on the bumper.

Something I don’t understand is why it is seemingly ‘ok’ for McCain to show respect toward some women (i.e,, his socalled respect for Hillary Clinton) but not all women(his stand on choice, his humiliating his wife in public and so on)? Waht is THAT? Is there two different ‘brands’ of women – like, a separate sex or something? Either you like women as people…or you don’t.

Well that would do it John is not getting the women’s vote if we can get the MSM to cover this story but that would mean someone in the press won’t be getting a Sam’s Club Barbecue. That place has more fruit flies over the produce than an outdoor market in the tropics although to be fair I can’t really recall any fruit flies perhaps because the fruit was fresh?

His theme songs should actually be:

Lunatic Fringe – Red Rider
Lies- The Thompson Twins
Mexican Radio- Wall of Voodoo
Rock the Casbah- The Clash
Warm Leatherette- Grace Jones
Don’t you Wany Me?- The Human League
It’s the End of the World- REM

And the ever popular Crazy Train- Ozzy Osbourne

Maybe he is scared of Hilary?

Here is Ross Perot’s take on McCain:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/94827

“Perot doesn’t remember it that way. “After he came home, he walked with a limp, she [Carol McCain] walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona [Cindy McCain, his current wife] and the rest is history.”

Perot’s real problem with McCain is that he believes the senator hushed up evidence that live POWs were left behind in Vietnam and even transferred to the Soviet Union for human experimentation, a charge Perot says he heard from a senior Vietnamese official in the 1980s. “There’s evidence, evidence, evidence,” Perot claims. “McCain was adamant about shutting down anything to do with recovering POWs.”

Now…I don’t know if Ted Sampley has anything to do with the charges Perot is making regarding POWs left behind….or…if Perot is making those charges from a different angle. The think I find interesting is that if true it shows a pattern of covering up stuff as a Senator…including the Abramoff investigation, which is heating up as we speak, because of recent developments…Anyway, I thought it was interesting.

First I must say that I have not read the comments, but did read the ost. Timing bad for me ’cause I leave at 6:50 to take kid to school and then back an hour later, unless there’s an accident on the freeway, which there was.
Alas, and however, Christy, if you’re still here…I think you’re a very clever lady with this post. No Wimmens! evah, former or not Clinton supporters should even consider voting for Mr. McCain.
Jo March wouldn’t!

plays into that repressive “madonna vs whore” dichotomy

I don’t know if he originated it, but he told it, and later in an interview said something along the lines of well maybe it was a bit tasteless and actually I sort of regret it but shut up! I was tortured! I kill you!

All along I haven’t thought that the government’s interest in personal medical and prescription information has been all about fighting terror. Now it’s possible to compile a list of persons who’ve dared to interfere with the human reproductive cycle or pregnancy. That’s all the more reason not to elect McCain.

Even an XY guy such as I gets to say what I just did.

McCains’s record won’t hurt him. In fact, his POW time helps his legend. Since the military events happened 40 years ago, it’s better to after the present day McCain. Atter all, that’s who’s running.

I dunno. If framed properly in conjunction with his record of denying assistance to veterans, this $58K p/a “disability” pension might prove quite a millstone.

There should be a new movement…

“Wimmens against McTrollop”

(((Wobblybits)))

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Can he collect disability in any form if he is can work. Is there such a thing? Did Max Cleland collect while in elected office? He certainly has a huge disability.

I strongly disagree — “schmuck” doesn’t carry anywhere near the connotative weight the c-word does — it’s a word you use to brush away a fly.

Or perhaps he takes the position that Hillary is not a ‘real’ woman – that ‘real’ women are ‘available’…and therefore Hillary is really sort of a man in skirt? You’ve got me.

But, I’m not sure that Obama’s record looks all that different (no votes).

Accusing him of killing anyone in this well documented, investigated incident is really worse than Swift Boating. As your own summary states, a missile was accidently fired from another aircraft and exploded under McCain’s aircraft. He blew the canopy, jumped out, and ran for the ships island. There have been documentaries on PBS and there are some poor videos on You Tube.

I really think this kind of tactics will be a loser for all of us who want to beat McCain on real issues.

Sorry — I was brought up that the ’s’ work was the absolutely worst sexually related thing you could call a man. It had the connotation that the guy’s entire brain was located in that organ.

Oddly, Ross Perot paid for McCain’s first wife’s medical treatment and physical therapy. Perot introduced the McCain’s to (then, California Gov.) Ronald and Nancy Reagan. The Rayguns were disappointed when the McCain’s broke up. McCain was appalled by his wife’s appearance. She was 4 inches shorter after her car accident and she could not walk for a long time.

See post 46 and follow the link there for the details.

It’s my understanding that this payment is part pension and part disability – and are legitimate payments/benefits that he has earned through his military service.

Unwise to make this a big issue, I think – likely to backfire.

There is a LOT more to mine. And we’ll be doing that quite a bit over the coming weeks. So if anyone finds something of interest, feel free to send it along…

You’re probably right. Best to just go after his “little or no assistance for current vets” record.

Hmmm, I’ve heard the S word a whole lot more than the C word in casual conversation, but then, I worked in the tv biz for 25 years. Heard both words a lot, but probably 10 S’s to one C, in ratio.

For people of my father’s generation (he was first generation US, born in 1917), I think the ’s’ word still had the original meaning attached to it. It had this huge negative attached to it – it was not something you called someone unless it was to their face and you had a weapon in your hand. “Putz” referred to the same organ but it was always used with a little bit of affection – the person was young or a little bit stupid. The ’s’ word has been used so much that, like the ‘f’ word, a lot of the original meaning and sting has been extracted from it.

Going after Senator McCain’s military record or disability pension would be a huge mistake.

When Obama speaks of Senator McCain, he almost always prefaces it with a tribute to his military service. This is the smart and right thing to do.

The place to attack him, as Christy’s post suggests, is on his voting record. It demonstrates that he is not a moderate, but a damn Flintstone conservative.

McCain is going to blur his image to a soft warm fuzzy. He will be made to look avuncular. Here in Quebec the PQ did that two election cycles ago with Bernard Landry. The idea is to project a sense of fatherly security. Problem is that at the same time, he wants to run as a warrior. Hard to have it both ways.

Still, I think our time would be better spent thinking about the Democratic ground game than the thuglicans’ air game. It would be nice to have our votes to be ‘for’ our man rather than ‘against’ their man. Makes for a stronger presidency downh the line.

I hear what you are saying. I believe most of the people I worked with were 2nd or 3rd generation refugees from Russia / East Europe, and the word was used in third person. I never heard, that I can remember, the word used face to face.
I dunno, is it a good or bad thing that when these S, F, C, etc. words are used so often that they lose power?

Creepy, isn’t it — when you start spinning out the possibilities of what some unscrupulous zealot in charge, with just a little bit of power and a large ego and a zeal for self-promotion, could do with a database of such information?

Once you start to tinker around the edges and making wholesale pronouncements on what truly is a very, highly individualized decision-making process between a woman, her mate, her physician, and any conversations with God she may or may not choose to have and the individual facts and circumstances? It starts to get very ugly indeed when someone else decides they know the mind of God better than God himself…

New Cliff up

You lead. I’ll follow.
Oh, I agree with you. It’s just easier to think about what and how we should be doing this or that.
Christy posted a marvelous post here. Leading the way. And, not with a machine gun. :)

Occam’s razor (sometimes spelled Ockham’s razor) is a principle attributed to the 14th-century English logician and Franciscan friar William of Ockham. The principle states that the explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory. The principle is often expressed in Latin as the lex parsimoniae (”law of parsimony” or “law of succinctness”): “entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem”, roughly translated as “entities must not be multiplied beyond necessity”.
This is often paraphrased as “All other things being equal, the simplest solution is the best.” In other words, when multiple competing theories are equal in other respects, the principle recommends selecting the theory that introduces the fewest assumptions and postulates the fewest entities. It is in this sense that Occam’s razor is usually understood.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam’s_Razor

My bold What is more likely that McCain messed up again somehow and his dad and grand dad both Admirals covered for him again so he could keep flying by fixing a Navy investigation.
Or that McCain is really that unlucky I mean what are the odds?

See y’all later. I’m off to mine some other pastures (neocon mixed metaphor).

Well, I think part of it is also what’s important in the culture that we are living in right now. I notice that when the Democrats in Congress have talked about the whole run up to the war(like, the newest report), they consistently refer to what Bush, Cheney et al. did as saying things that are ‘not true’ and so on. They will not call these people ‘liars’ – so obviously being called ‘a liar’ is still a huge thing.

I’d say getting shot down and then held as a prisoner of war and tortured for seven years (give or take) seems pretty unlucky to me. Eh?

It’s really not good ground on which to attack McCain in my mind, and it’s more likely to rebound badly on the people using it than it ever would on McCain. His record is odious enough all on its own. And exposing it speaks volumes about his judgment and his actions over years and years of not giving a shit about the little guy — when you couple it with his abysmal choice of advisors, pals and hangers-on? Truly, more than enough material to work with and then some…

Yep – language – so powerful a tool.
I guess mis-understanding mis-speaking are okay with many tho.
Two of my not favorite gals. /s

I know what Occam’s Razor is. Your interpretation is not in the least necessary, since the entire incident is extremely well documented. That kind of attack rates with the Muslim Obama stuff and will blow up in your face. |There is simply no question about what happened in the Forrestal incident.

Aside from the incident where he was shot down over Vietnam, I have doubts about the other incidents. Believe me, if you lose a pistol checked out to you in the military, you’ll be filling out paper for the rest of your life. Admirals themselves have been demoted for screw ups, much less their children.

As others have stated numerous times, there are plenty of valid reasons to attack McCain, based on his political record and policies he advocates. If we have any sense, we’ll leave his military record alone, as Obama does.

Christy – since we’re below the column here, may I ask you to hug the Pea for me?
I spent I lovely hour in the spa the other night with a five year old named Daisy. I sang the old song…Daisy, daisy, give me your answer, do for her. About 20 times…she kept wanting it more. She joined me the last 10 times or so and we had a lovely conversation about bicycles built for two and what Stylish means and some rhyming games. It was swell.
I get to see my little (25 year old) girl in two weeks. Nope, I’m not counting the minutes. :)

Perhaps focusing on what McCain himself covered up while in Congress is really more effective…for example the Abramoff investigation…for example…his ties to Phil Gramm, the Enron loophole which is what is causing all of the economic problems we are having today…

I agree McCain’s Navy record is a waste of time except as it helps us trace McCain’s character and how he will react. I’m thinking McCain is used to someone cleaning up his messes 5 crashes and he still flies. I’m thinking McCain feels very entitled 5 crashes and a sane man would give up flying.
I’m thinking McCain attracts people who protect him from the trouble he gets into how I don’t know but his first wife is very loyal.

I did not mean to suggest earlier that the extensive collection of personal information by the US government is primarily aimed at gathering reproduction-related information on citizens. Assembling that information is one of many possible misuses of collected personal data. McCain doesn’t seem very concerned about such issues; he wants to be regarded as the one who would be our pure-minded Protector.

i can’t believe i’m jumping into a thread to make a comment about the ’c’ word. nastiest word in the english language.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/….._0407.html

mccain uses trollup and ’c’ word in same sentence. quote is from ’the real mccain’.

i’d a been outta there. but i’m not cindy.

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i don’t believe there is a male equivalent to the ’c’ word. and that is the POINT OF IT…….i think it is the most disgusting word in the english language.
my former husband said to me once in an argument as a last resort to get me to fight, where he was fighting and i wasn’t–you are acting like a ’c’…….next major step i took was toward a divorce.

i could go the rest of my life without hearing that word, and looks like it’s going to be repeated over and over and over and over again……now people will think it’s common usage language…….i sure hope not…..

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definitions per wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cunt

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schmuck_(pejorative)

dictionary

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cunt

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schmuck

I agree with you and Christy that politically it doesn’t help us still I don’t trust any investigation involving 5 crashes and the Navy still let him fly the fix was in so everything about him is suspect.

Any crashes when he was a pilot trainee, are generally considered the fault of the instructor, not the trainee. Any emphasis on this is in fact an emphasis on his military record which you just agreed is counter-productive.

There are vast amounts of information on his actions and lack of actions in the political realm that can fully and completely show his character without mentioning a damn thing about his military or Naval Academy records.

Let’s concentrate on things since the mid-80s on. Such as the Keating 5. Or the lobbyists in his campaign. Or his economic advisers like Phil Gramm. Or his Senate voting record.

Phoenix Woman a couple of flights up with some right wing rat f*ckery.

Here in CA Ahhnuld is crowing over a database of all controlled substance prescriptions (opiate agonsists forpain as well as benzodiazapines, etc for anxiety/panic).

The ostensuble goal is to prevent drug abusers from “doctor shopping” and getting multiple RX’s.

The supposedly “secure” database – to function – will have to allow all prescribers to search the entire thing – every single patient.

Of couse, once all that data is entered, it is all searchable by CA State (and by the many entities HIPPA entitles to demand med records).

Another techno-tool allowing use of our intimate, private medical data for political control.

You can already get that information via individual warrants/subpoenas if you suspect that sort of problem. But a searchable database ought to raise some civil liberties concerns, even though I could see the value for law enforcement in terms of policing a population as large as CA.

Funny how the individual liberties portion of things never seems to make it to the considerations list in those press releases on “tough on crime” though, isn’t it?

Good Monday Morning, DMac!
I gottcha.
I have a problem with the whole sticks and stones, but words/names will never hurt me saying. I think sometimes a bone will mend easier than a hurt feeling, or worse, a hurt heart.
((dmac))

well he definitely shouldn’t try to woo us by smiling alot because his smiles really creep me out. Not a whiff of sincerity in ‘em.

McCain is in a whole world of hurt now.

No more free pass, and the spotlight on all the flip-flopping is gonna get blinding.

Which will cause him to blow his top at Sen. Obama, or some reporter that will dare to point out his inconsistencies.

He’s got no real base of support (other than his rib-loving press contingent) and true conservatives don’t like him.

He’s gonna lose independents, and, from the post at the top, won’t be able to count on women, either.

All he’s got is the “Hey kids, get the hell off my lawn!” vote, and they’re not a big enough bloc to save him.

I’m assuming that the California program is part of this:

132. National All Schedules Prescription Electronic Reporting Act of 2005. This sets up a state by state but nationally compatible data base of prescribed controlled substances available to many agencies. The substances include not only painkillers taken for more than a couple days but also tranquillizers and sleeping pills.

The problem’s we’re having with “schm*ck” are related to the fact that it’s a loan word from Yiddish into English. Per Rosten’s Joys of Yiddish, the word is very offensive in Yiddish, definitely not for use in polite conversation. It’s a high-order insult, and probably is on a level with “c*nt”.

English is a different matter. The word’s offensiveness has been softened up, in fact, many people who use the word in english are not aware that it is a reference to the penis.

BC — learned a lot of Yiddish from being UCLA.

thanks demi–point is, there are things that display character, using that word toward a female kinda says it all. he later said, i didn’t call you a ’c’, i said you were acting like one……when i heard that, i knew the other things i let slide were bigger than i thought.

anyone who doesn’t understand what the ’c’ word really is, and uses it and excuses it, is lacking in a lot of things that have to do with character and that has to do with thier intent on how they treat others…..

i think his dismissal of her and barking obscenities at his wife is all anyone needs to hear to see what resides inside of him, the rest of his actions are simply the result of his character coming to the surface.

It’s my understanding that this payment is part pension and part disability – and are legitimate payments/benefits that he has earned through his military service.

Unwise to make this a big issue, I think – likely to backfire.

I’m with you Fern.

But considering how much cash money his current spouse has; it would be nice if he donated that disability payment to a veterans nonprofit or simply renounced his claim on it because he does not need it. He’s set for life with his Senate benefits so as it is. But asshat or not, he suffered mightily in our name and we do not benefit harping on this, imo.

btw does anyone know just what Representatives and Senators are entitled to after a term or two in office? The lifetime primo health insurance benefit is just one example of the perks of office that put our legislators out of touch with the rest of us regular Americans.

Yep, I’m pretty clear on the point you are making.
I got it.
And, also that the S word is Yiddish and the C word is just plain mean, intolerable and speaks to where the heart of the speaker is at.
Back to the garden for me now.

yep. destroying the village in order to save it.

omg, hugh.

I had no idea it was nation-wide (nor does the CA press, apparently).

Once again, thank you for your work.

And now I wonder what the definition of “tranqilizer” is for the pruposes of 132.

The class of meds known as anti-psychotics” were also known as “major tranquilizers”.

Who cares? Well, this class of meds – along with the “lithium class” [one member] and anticonvulsants (anti-seizure drugs) – are also used to help patients with bipolar disorder.

The anti-psychotics are also used to relieve severe depression (when not repsonding to anti-depressants alone) and extremely severe anxiety disorders (not responsive to other modalities).

Take home message: if the national program to monitor “tranquilizers” is construed to include anti-psychotics (drugs with efectively no abuse potential), it will serve as a way to identify anyone with psychotic disorder (including schizophrenia), a very large proportion of those with Bipolar I, and many with severe depression/anxiety.

Who cares?

Well, the above dx are used to deny medical insurance. Because the same firms that own the insurance databanks are often part of megacorps with “financial service” tentacles, the data can be (and has) been used to deny lines of credit/mortgages.

For the above reason, anyone I know with the means to seek treatment for the above disorders on a “self-pay” basis does so. Many I knew self-paid for their rx in cash at elite pharmacies – being careful to avoid any RX for “scheduled” (abusable) rx in their disease management.

Opening up the tracking to include non-abusable RX (including the “major tranquilizers”/anti-psychotic class – or even the antidepressants) allows tracking of patients with mood disorders (including depression and bipolar).

Though I see the national program just targets controlled substances, as it implemented state-by-state I wonder if any state will include “non-controlled” meds commonly used in psychiatry?

McSame seems caught in a time warp of his own imagination, driven there perhaps by spending five and a half years in a brutal POW camp instead of successfully planning and flying missions. Imagine the missions he flew in his head while being tortured and starved; imagine the payback he still wants to exact. McSame still acts the stereotypical drunken Naval Aviator for whom women are targets of opportunity, who, once penetrated, become merely collateral damage.

The idea that there might be a consequences to his pattern of behavior — disease, pregnancy, emotional attachment or the debility from being unable to have one — McSame seems unable to compute. Besides, legislating women’s rights or health issues would be against his self-interest. Divorces would be more expensive, he might have to salute a woman of higher rank and ability, and he might have to pay his own way. McSame would be an ornery, more radical and more violent version of Shrub, but with the same clueless concern for consequences and how to pay for or avoid them.