But reading this piece from Gene Robinson, I also realize in the full light of day, how much further we have to go:
…A young, black, first-term senator — a man whose father was from Kenya, whose mother was from Kansas and whose name sounds as if it might have come from the roster of Guantanamo detainees — has won a marathon of primaries and caucuses to become the presumptive presidential nominee of the Democratic Party. To reach this point, he had to do more than outduel the party’s most powerful and resourceful political machine. He also had to defy, and ultimately defeat, 389 years of history.
It was in 1619 that the first Africans were brought in chains to these shores, landing in Jamestown. That first shipment of "servants" did not include any of Obama’s ancestors; it’s impossible to say whether some distant progenitor of his wife, Michelle, might have been present at that moment of original sin. Ever since — through the War of Independence, the abolitionist movement, the Civil War, Reconstruction, Jim Crow, the great migration to Northern cities and the civil rights struggle — race has been one of the great themes running through our nation’s history.
I’m old enough to remember when Americans with skin the color of mine and Obama’s had to fight — and die — for the right to participate as equals in the life of the nation we helped build. Watching Obama give his speech Tuesday night marking the end of the primary season and the beginning of the general election campaign, I thought back to a time when brave men and women, both black and white, put their lives on the line to ensure that African Americans had the right to vote, let alone run for office — a time when Democrats in my home state of South Carolina were Dixiecrats, and when the notion that the Democratic Party would someday nominate a black man for president was utterly unimaginable.
Tiresome, isn’t it? All this recounting of unpleasant history, I mean. Wouldn’t it be great if we could all just move on? Bear with me, though, because this is how we get to the point where, as Obama’s young supporters like to chant, "race doesn’t matter." No one will be happier than I when we reach that promised land, and we’ve come so far that at times we can see it, just over the next hill. But we aren’t there yet.
This is a passage from an e-mail I received in April from an Obama volunteer in Pennsylvania: "We’ve been called ‘N-lovers,’ Obama’s been called the ‘Anti-Christ,’ our signs have been burned in the streets during a parade, our volunteers have been harassed physically, or with racial slurs — it’s been unreal."
Yet the amazing thing isn’t that there were instances of overt, old-style racism during this campaign, it’s that there were so few. The amazing thing is that so many Americans have been willing to accept — or, indeed, reject — Obama based on his qualifications and his ideas, not on his race. I’ll never forget visiting Iowa in December and witnessing all-white crowds file into high school gymnasiums to take the measure of a black man — and, ultimately, decide that he was someone who expressed their hopes and dreams….
What Barack Obama and his campaign staff have achieved this primary season has been nothing short of amazing, especially their incredible work with voter registration and energizing the youth vote like no other campaign I have ever seen. But we still have an enormous amount of work to do for him to win in November.
At the moment, though, I wanted to simply pause and recall the shadows of history – and what had to be overcome to get here. We had two candidates — one woman and one African-American man (YouTubes) — standing toe to toe, running for their party’s nomination to the presidency of the United States. As equals. Think about the fact that it is no longer a question (YouTube) that could happen (YouTube)– someday — because it already has.
We have lived history this year in the Democratic party. And I am incredibly proud of that…and of what this achievement will bring in terms of progress to come.
Watch the YouTube of Dr. King, and soak in the history for a moment. Think about the fact that Barack Obama, a man of mixed race heritage, has given voice to some profound hopes and dreams of a whole lot of Americans. Regardless of their gender or color or background. And think, for a moment, how unlikely that would have been just a few years back. (YouTube)
We shall overcome…but it is going to take all of us, working together, to do so.
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Great post.
Jus Cogens!
I’m also old enough to remember MSgt Timberlake, an African American, was called an Uncle Tom by some young black airman at my first duty assignment and I couldn’t understand how they could do this to a man that went through a lot more in his life than they had. This was 1974. We’ve come a long way, not only with black to white relationships, but black to black relationships. I don’t want to put the pressure on Mr. Obama, but he may very well change (or has changed) how some blacks view themselves and whether something is really an obstacle to achieving their personal goals.
Hi Christy-it’s indeed been an amazing year and yes we have many more miles to go but we can finally see the goal from here.
Thanks for the reminder of Dr King. He must certainly be very proud.
I agree great post.
Bullseye.
Just the post I hoped to read…so well put together with great links to demonstrate the historical significance of the Obama win. It’s a much bigger story than simply congratulating a nominee’s win.
Thank you Christy!
A conversation on race will go a hell of lot easier if some so-called feminist “progressives” will stop hollering about non-existent “reverse racism”. I want to know, as does Halfrican:,
Obama shattered the ceiling. Break on through to the other side.
A broader view of the recent events in America is even more heartening. The Democratic Party is now lead by an African-American man. His close, by a hair runner up for this position was a woman. One of the strongly considered also rans was a Hispanic man. The third most powerful position in the US government, the Speaker of the House, is held by a woman. Her top deputy, the majority whip is an African-American. The leader of the Senate is a Mormon.
The GOP has not one single elected African-American in all of their federal offices. Not one single female in leadership.
Yet, the GOP is pushing the upside down world view that they are the party of diversity and opportunity for women and African-Americans.
Stunning.
-G
Michele Obama is a double minority. HRC is a single minority.
Michele’s experience is twice as deep. That is part of the historical significance of Obama’s win. JMHO
Outstanding post, Christy. Thank you.
never can have too much mlk. thanks christy, love the tie in to this week’s events.
it is amazing that the white guys were out of the picture so fast for the dem nomination … and that it seems right … very cool.
Here’s an interesting article. Maybe others have already seen it.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/…..r=election
It was quite interesting this morning to hear Kay Bailey Hutchison acknowledge her difficulties of being a woman and running for office. I thought that was enlightening. Deep down that must p*ss her off….although she could never utter the word, p*ss…more likely tee-tee’d off.
As we continue to residually squabble, tossing Perfectionism Fallacy projectiles hither and yon, let us keep our eyes on the prize.
I’m on my way home to Washington DC from celebrating my mother’s 85th birthday in Oregon. When we talked about politics, my mother wasn’t convinced she could vote for Obama in November. Race didn’t matter to her — it was his relative inexperience. I pointed out most of what Christy pointed out as his campaign’s accomplishments — and how the organization, discipline, transparency, and respect for both the rule of law and of other people — all would bode well for an Obama presidency. She bought it. (Well, that and pointing out that she would vote for me for President, and if me, why not Obama — with whom I share the same year of birth. She couldn’t argue with that. :))What I don’t think people realize yet is what we’re seeing in Barack Obama is real leadership: not swagger, not bravado, but what fosters and creates the opportunity for positive, transformational change. It’s the capacity that (love her or hate her) Margaret Thatcher had. De Gaulle had it. FDR had it, MLK had it, and Nelson Mandela has it.
Millions of people have worked to make this possible for Obama, and those millions, and tens (if not hundreds) of millions more will work to make him President. And then we can start the real work of moving our country once again forward.
Thank you Christy. And while we’re thinking about this, don’t forget to take a few minutes to slip down the hall and look at photos TBogg has linked….the Obama supporters section is SO beautiful.
i’m very pleased to see obama appearing to plan a 50 state run for the general too. at the very least, it can be a repeat of the PA race and let him run mcsame out of funds just to keep his ’safe’ votes. and has the possibility of really earning a ‘mandate’. we know they’re going to try to steal this election too so gotta win by enough of a landslide that even with the fraud they can’t claim victory.
Exactly. And, he’s about to launch the largest voter registration drive in history.
Speaking of which…Sarah Pallin as McCain VP possibility:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin
Thanks Christy!
Patience rewarded.
Wish my mom would have lived to see this day.
well, she certainly seems to have qualifcations:
Completely OT, but go read the rest of the poem……
Crabby Old Man
What do you see nurses? …What do you see?
What are you thinking……when you’re looking at me?
A crabby old man,…..not very wise,
Uncertain of habit ……..with faraway eyes?
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=13896
Obama is making history in so many ways. In September, he’ll be coming to the campus of Ole Miss for the first presidential debate of the general election, 46 years after the place exploded in riots, tear gas and gunfire when James Meredith was the first African American to register for classes.
More here. Give it a read.
Thank you Christy. Wonderful post.
I saw just a snippet of an interview with Obama last night. He was talking about his early years. He was very savvy to get those books out. More and more people will finally get to know him better. He’s an amazing person.
I look forward to his presidency. I even, for the first time, look forward to the campaign. I don’t know where he gets all that energy, but we need that right now. Hearing him talk, I can believe for the first time in a long while, that we just might have the muscle and brain power to drag this poor old bruised country back up out of the gutter Bush has created.
There you go, the requisite “heartbeat-away” chops.
As VP to a man with respect to whom “heartbeat away” is significantly more than just a cliched allusion.
reading nyt article about 50 state strategy
that’s really strange. obama campaign approaches media companies about a media buy and thug operatives are alerted? in any business i’m part of that would be a major violation of confidentiality. unless media buys happen on some open market and bids are visible. huh …
Thank you. Great Post.
we all liked that quote, didn’t we? plus she’s tried pot and didn’t like it. energy policy discussion raises some questions …
And, I think we have to give it up as well. I have several friends who are truly describing themselves as “grieving” Hillary supporters. I think where we have gotten has been a path on sacred ground. It is almost mystical that we have arrived here, a miracle, of the man and the moment. For whatever reason, this is the time, made more powerful and possible because of the utter tragedy and failure of the past 8 years. Together with the seeds and hope of the Kennedy vision/hope then lost.
I also think the Hillary courage and grit and endurance have been awesome. Maybe there will be enough of us to get our country back to what we want to be.
Si, se puede
and
Never give up
Hoops, smokin’ dope…
Shit, she can lace ‘em up for some photo-op “21″ against The Sheikh.
Any bets on how long it’s gonna take the other side of the aisle to match that?
Another 10 years? Do I hear 20?
Yup. Hey…W was a cheerleader…that’s what they like. Unbelievable.
Well, we must recall that Clarence Thomas was adjudged at the time to be “the most qualified” of his day to be on SCOTUS.
I cannot believe that this woman would even make the short list.
OT: Rick Perlstein discussing his book Nixonland. Really great. The Perlstein segment can be viewed on CSPAN Book TV Printers Row Book Fair from Chicago.
They couldn’t bring themselves to do it. It would invalidate everything they’ve really stood for since the Civil War.
Wish ET were here to chime in on Sarah Palin. iirc he has a high regard for her capabilities.
how can you doubt her quals?
that’s interesting. would like to hear from someone who’s not just making fun of her (like me).
They won’t pick a female Veep candidate, either. The risk of alienating the mean old rich bigot base is too great.
That’s all they need.
I mean, beyond the low-hanging fruit (admittedly cheap shot) yucks, look at her actual CV. No friggin’ way is this woman objectively qualified to be VPOTUS. No way.
I disagree. I think they might go ahead and nominate Carly Fiorina:
“Touted as #1 “most powerful woman in business” by Forbes magazine, she led the company into a controversial merger with rival Compaq in 2002. Fiorina presided over a halving of Hewlett Packard’s value during her tenure and heavy job losses.[1] She was fired by HP’s board due to dissatisfaction with her performance in February 2005.
Fiorina is also a contributor on the Fox Business Network.[2]”
They want a CEO type to run the fascist government.
Do not miss!
Slight edit. Gotta keep ‘em barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen.
thx to christy links, i’m poking around again in obama website issues section. an awful lot to like there.
Ahhhh…the woman with whom I’d most like to have a moose burger. Preferably while ridin’ shotgun in a snowmobile.
i’ve been assuming it’ll be carly. watching her at HP was not pretty … there is defintiely some dirt to surface there about spying within the business. she’ll appeal to the cheney crowd, but she looked pretty scary to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carly_Fiorina
“Fiorina has been floated in some sources as a potential Vice President in a McCain administration.[38] She endorsed Senator John McCain as the Republican nominee in the 2008 presidential elections and campaigned with him.[39] At an economic round-table with the senator in January 2008, Fiorina praised McCain, claiming that “John McCain is a man who understands what the role of government should be, and what the role of government should not be.”[40]
On March 7, 2008 Fiorina was named “Chair of Victory, 2008,” an RNC coordinated group to raise money and conduct get out the vote activities, by the Republican National Committee. She also stated then that she would additionally be a point person for the McCain campaign as related to business and economic affairs, as well as publicly advocating the Republican Party.[41] Fiorina has along with Bill Gates been actively promoting expansion of H-1B visa guest worker visas. “
And one that matches the competence level of, oh, let’s say Michael Brown or Fredo.
Thanks, Egregious, I was recalling the same thing.
And since ET is very involved in the progressive movement in Alaska, he’d know.
ET’s blog.
FunnyD
The expression on the little girl’s face in #9 is priceless.
And #24
So we should just shove the closet racists in our own party right back in, eh? No need to acknowledge them, just pretend they don’t exist. And heaven forfend we should call them out, by name. I mean, that won’t look like hypocrisy or anything when we try to call out Republicans.
this one hits a number of my hot button issues
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology/
maybe instead of calling people racist – like it’s a genetic disease or something that can’t be changed. maybe we could call out racist language and help each other to identify and challenge our unexamined biases and assumptions?
Wow…
Nice retort, selise. I think that’s the way.
Y’know, when I would read people dissing Obama as “all great oratory, all generalities, no specifics on policy,” I would think “how friggin’ lazy can you be? It’s all right there in fine detail — hello? — if you just take the slightest bit of trouble.” Whether we agree with every proposal is entirely another matter, but the willful ignorance just amazes me.
The time for this nonsense has passed.
Thanks for this post, Christy.
I thought firepups would enjoy this unique glimpse of Barack talking with staffers at campaign HQ in Chicago, about their achievement and what lies ahead for the campaign in the next five months.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnhmByYxEIo
They’re lazy, pure and simple. They’ve sat in front of the tube for so long being told what to think and what to buy that to have to actually do something for themselves is beyond their comprehension.
It took me forever to find a YouTube of Rosa Parks speaking — it’s linked up in the post, but I really wanted her voice in the mix. She was such a gentle soul, so soft-spoken with a spine of steel behind her words — and I didn’t want to post anything until I found her. Stumbled onto it yesterday…glad everyone likes the read. Do check out the links, there is some amazing information available for everyone to read in there.
completely disagree. if we can’t talk about racism now, when will it be ok?
Thanks, Christy, for verbalizing this progress.
I wonder if the exhaustion factor plays into and has enabled this degree of progress in terms of Barack’s candidacy and Hillary’s impressive showing. Disaster within has created this window of historical opportunity.
The status quo leadership has TOTALLY BETRAYED AMERICA AND THE WORLD. The status quo has been white males who have been patriarchal. Remote from the people, competitive, power hungry, money hungry, old boys nepotism network. I am not dissing all men in that leadership network, but the power brokers of it are not of an altruistic sensibility and do not reward it.
Maybe many aren’t conscious of embracing a black man or a white woman as a psychological allergy to long-time white males who have consistently betrayed having the reins of our government.
Remember the jokes about Edwards (loved him) carrying the baggage of being the white male in the race? The pendulum has certainly swung away on a very primal level. Especially with the youth, who probably put it together faster than the oldies.
God, we are so hungry for change. The country is going economically and ethically bankrupt. Maybe hitting this “bottom” has quickened the willingness to displace status quo, normal leadership representatives.
Now we risk the backlash of people who are allergic to change and cling to the status quo, who terrified will fight to stop this. Who have identified with the “perpetrators” in this government and are lost in DENIAL.
Suicide vehicle bomb hits US base in Iraq.
1 killed, 18 wounded.
100 more years.
-G
That is inspiring.
But…but…we’re winning.
we’re sitting here at the breakfast table w/ dueling laptops looking thru the tufankjian photos … and they are wonderful.
I want our country back!
I am all for talking about racism. In fact, I think Christy’s post is excellent.
What is tiresome is the attempt to bash Hillary and her supporters.
Link.
The danger of the Petraeus strategy is that if or when the Sunni ‘awakening councils’ decide to start fighting again, they have lots of US targets dispersed throughout their strongholds.
-G
I just quickly scrolled back up. Where?
In The Nation: Michael Massing reviews Samantha Power’s book Chasing the Flame.
“In 2005, after receiving a call from Senator Barack Obama, who had read her (earlier) book (A Problem From Hell), Power became one of his foreign policy advisors, a position she held until March, when her description of Hillary Clinton as “a monster” set off a political firestorm. Despite that misstep, if Obama is elected President, Power seems likely to join his adminstration in some senior capacity.”
No, we should call them out when it happens. Like Jane did…teh google is your friend.
“…the whole country is now counting on you to change it for the better…”
7 and 55
good vid!
“We have no choice, we must win.” Fired up.
christy did just give us a response to #7 at least …
calling out the speech w/o attacking the people is always hard. some folks, o’reilly for example, put themselves over the edge. but, i’m not very good at targetting the act rather than attacking the person …
yeah, i thought that was funny :D
I am all for outing racism.
Oh my! That’s a link worthy of sending to everyone in my address book! (which I never do) Thanks.
If I may be so bold as to add one of my favourite speeches of Dr King.
MountainTop (YouTube excerpt from Democracy Now!)
The entire speech on mp3 may be listened to or downloaded at:
MountainTop (complete audio clip) scroll down to just below the vid excerpt
It wasn’t just us calling it out, either. C&L did. Media Matters did. did. Carpetbagger did. Devilstower did on DKos. Glenn did. Pensito Review did. Feministe did. Shakesville did. And I could literally keep going for another half hour pulling links with a simple Google search of all the liveral blogs that hit that issue when it was current. Seriously.
Would you put Jane in the same category as Geraldine Ferraro? I didn’t.
This is one of my favorites too, SD. “…I may not get there with you, but we as a people will get to the promised land!” (Shakti, Holy Spirit, Shekinah, whatever you want to call It, was moving within the civil rights movement and Dr. King. He’s one of my heroes!)
From The Nation, Alexander Cockburn:
According to (David) Brooks, Obama confided in him that “in some ways he’d be tougher than the Bush Administration,” doing more, to take one specific example, to arm the Lebanese military. (This schedules a bloodbath in Lebanon in year One or Two of the Obama Administration.) Obama’s bottom line to Brooks was straight up Caesarism: “The [US] generals are light-years ahead of the civilians. They are trying to get the job done rather than look tough.”
Let our prayers be for incompetent emperors who talk tough but screw up.
Oh, yeah, I can see Obama “confiding” in Bobo.
You know what? You are gonna see the glass half empty no matter what, so you just go right ahead…the fact that a whole bunch of people spoke up about a whole host of issues throughout the campaign, including calling reporters and politicians and surrogates on all sides on them is just never going to be enough.
The fact that people called this out — this and many, many other incidents — on the day it was happening? Instead of letting it just sit out there unanswered? I’d call that progress.
I am speaking specifically of Hillary defenders who continually accused Obama and his campaign of promoting, perpetrating, not denouncing, etc etc sexism. I am not speaking of every single liberal blog out there.
To pretend that Ferraro, Joan Walsh, Hillary herself and a host of other ‘feminists’ DID NOT blow racist dog whistles and to sweep it under the rug is a disservice to the party and the country.
Ding.
Why are you complaining on FDL about what Geraldine Ferraro did or did not do?
On a post and thread to celebrate, Senator Obama’s accomplishments, what purpose is served by bringing up the acknowledged (at least by most here) idiocies of Ferraro?
Yes, some Clinton supporters just might be id10ts. And your point?
If you were speaking of them, you should have said so in the first place. And who is excusing the behavior? No one here — because we sure as hell didn’t excuse it then. I don’t know what you are getting so cranky at everyone here for when we all agreed that the O’Reilly comment was shitty.
ya know those cones they put on dogs to keep them from licking wounds raw?
it’s time to be coneheads and stop digging at ourselves.
absolutely we gotta call BS when it happens, as it will, over the next months. let’s do that and actually win this thing!
That was all Cockburn, not me. I failed to do the formatting the way I wanted to. Cockburn is an extremely radical lefty, in case you are unfamilar with his work. Just wanted to contribute some things that are out there with regard to Obama. IMHO, Samantha Power would likely be a valuable cabinet member.
Breaking news:
It’s OVER. The dog whistling did not work, irrespective of who wielded them. and, will not work going forward.
Do you have a link? I’m lazy. :)
Yer cool. I had it figured out and I ain’t the brightest star in the sky.
please don’t call them feminists. that’s no kind of feminism i’ve ever known. feminism isn’t about identity politics it’s a specific critique of hierarchy, privilege and surpremist thinking. at least that is my understanding and experience.
Elizabeathan Collars
Anyone who’s thinking of voting for McCain ought to read this
“…if OD ever goes to Heaven, he’ll be checkin’ it for booby traps…”
Well, I don’t know whether to put this out there, but every major war in the middle east has a correlation with a major astrological configuration which we are entering upon this year in November, 2008-August, 2011. Just saying…
1956 – Suez war
1967 – Six Days war
1973 Yom Kippur war
1982 – Lebanon
2000-2004 – Israel Palestine (intifadas)
2003 – Iraq war
… might be time to:
A) Get out the Barbecue
or
B) S-c-r-o-l-l
Bobby,I assume you now know what I was talking about?
Sunny, I do not need to pretend Hillary and Joan Walsh did not blow racist dog whistles. They did not do so. They are not racists.
I got the zed!
looks like grittv got some fancy interface thing going on.
btw, Laura has a fantastic interview piece coming up in a coupla minutes with Amy Goodman, Cynthia Rowley and others. It’s up top if anyone is interested. Should be a great conversation…and goes live very shortly.
My non-response is my equivalent of “don’t bring that weak shit in my house.” Not worthy of further bandwidth.
This is a thread to celebrate Obama? Please read this stuff before you post it. Nothing that quotes this scumbag is worth the paper it is written on:
A leading campaigner for veterans’ rights? This fucker is one of the most vile human beings to ever crawl on the face of the earth.
is there an audio only feed by any chance? (not complaining! just aksing!)
Well, I did put the word in quotes. Feminists don’t whine and cry about the mean boys, they forge ahead in spite of the difficulties and they don’t need to fall back on attacking other minorities.
Raven, I’m really glad that you have been around when we, who didn’t know, fell into that trap by those people…I know I did. Thanks.
Good point. No more dog whistles. The Republicans and their pundits will be going for all out racism (over the top) to see if that will work. It will only feed the extreme racists who are already in their camp. The ones on the fringe will be so disgusted by the overtness of the racism that they vote with us or stay home.
I posted a link I thought spoke for me.
I don’t know — I don’t think so, but check the GritTV site to see. They may be streaming a just audio channel…
There’s another one named Kiley who says he’s big in the MIA/POW movement.
i like transcripts … i can read a lot faster than I can listen … my video attention bandwidth is limited … f2f yes, text next, video discussion last. (fwiw)
Here’s his work on Obama
AND I posted a quote:
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BobbyG@76 & LS@79: I gather this could apply to us too…8-)
at least adjust yr cone …
who are the so-called “clinton feminist defense corps” – is there a real organization called that? or are you accusing all feminists who supported clinton?
Inspired. Fired up. Yep.
Ahole.
Or is the insinuation that feminists only supported Clinton?
Independent.co.uk looks into the future
good question. that’s not how i read it, though.
I hope you guys are tuned in and turned on
to Laura’s show video link
The reason I say that is because there is this whisper out there that Clinton has created a movement of an army of white, hard-working Amazons that are going to eat men alive…all men…black white…
My paraphrasing…but you get the drift…
It’s the media….
No, the ugly insination is that the feminists that supported Hially are closet racists.
“…Chuck’s got his shit together…”
Thanks for the link, I couldn’t get it to work before.
Raven, I did not comment that this is a thread to celebrate and I don’t know about Sampley. I was referring to the article’s central view on McCain’s treatment of his first, ill wife.
Wow, Christy. You outdid yourself on this today. You do that almost every day, but that doesn’t negate this amazing post.
Great job!
Damn, don’t EVEN google Amazon women images~!
It’s all ugly.
Hi Christy
This election should not be ‘about’ feminism, or racism. It should be about what is good for every single person in this country – and by extension, the rest of the world.
Will there be racism? Yes, most definitely. Will there be sexism? You can bet on it. But let’s all try to rise above. We can have a conversation about what is going on, identify it, discuss why it is wrong and should not have a place on the stage, figure out ways to diffuse the situation, and move on toward the goal.
No president ever gets everything s/he wants. If they are lucky, maybe one tenth of what they set out to do. But baby steps forward bring you closer to the goal. Obama is a community organizer – and that is how he knows how to work. Baby steps forward.
So…let’s get working and stop all the accusatory stuff. It isn’t helping anyone – it just keeps fanning the flames of anger.
Well I do and every time I see anything with his ugly fucking name on it I’m going to be here to raise the flag.
SO, let me see if I have this straight: you are bitching about something that initially happened in February, which was denounced on this blog by the blog’s founder, but not about the incident itself, but by actions not taken by people who have no affiliation with this blog…because we didn’t denounce their non-action loudly enough lately about their non-action in February?
Well, here you go: people should have denounced Bill O’Reilly calling for a lynching. Regardless of political affiliation, gender, candidate support or otherwise. Bill O’Reilly was odious. It was a shitty thing to say. It was irresponsible. And both women and men in the Democratic party should have been appalled and said so — out loud. Just like we did. But right now, we need to find common ground because, if we don’t McCain’s going to win in November…and we’ll all lose if that happens, including those of us who think civil rights enforcement needs to be fixed, because McCain sure as hell isn’t going to fix it at DOJ, is he?
no. that specific charge was denied in 112.
ah, well that’s what i get for not watching the msm.
Amen!
Me too.
Hear Hear!
Well said and all that…
Thank you for doing so !
Is the article fair, about McCain’s attitude towards his first wife ?
Ding. Ding. Ding.
Ask Halfrican, who specifically calls out Ferraro and Joan Walsh, both of whom had and have a prominent media presence. Perhaps Harriet Christian can answer your question on behalf of maybe tens of thousands of militants who couldn’t give a coherent reason for rejecting Obama in favor of McInsane.
She gave a reason…
She said Obama is an “inadequate black male”…
and we all called her on it…on this blog….when the video first appeared. It was a blatant racist ignorant statement and sentiment. Okay?
i have no problem calling out what was said by ferraro, walsh or christian – but i will NOT support that charge being made against all people who both call themselves feminists and supported clinton.
You continue to miss the point. Read the link I provided. Bill O’Liely and his crap is only part of the problem.
So, back to the amazing race that just finished and the enormous accomplishments of the Obama campaign — I’ve been wondering when we would get any real numbers on new registrations by both the Obama and Clinton campaigns for Dem registrations. Has anyone seen hard numbers on that, and not just the early estimates? I haven’t been able to find the solid numbers yet, and I’m wondering how much new registration we’ve seen in the primary — versus how much inspiration we got in terms of older-registrations turning out for higher numbers for primaries than we’ve seen in ages.
Have I just missed a number-crunching post from someone?
Yeah, Harriet the Screechwoman, her shit really carried the day, ‘eh? Her August Prominence Ferraro as well.
LOL.
I would say that the issue of McSlime’s first marriage ending badly should not be a topic of discussion. The two of them were ’separated’ for over 5 yesrs. Both of them had grown in different ways, he through his experiences as a POW, she because of having to be totally responsible for herself and her children. The statistics on broken marriages of soldiers coming home from war are absolutely horrifying. But it is the war and its effects on thatm that makes it so.
That being said – McSlime has a reputation as a womanizer, and I still want to know where that nice female lobbyist (the one who seems to be a younger version of Cindy) went so fast when people started questioning that relationship?
I do think McSlime is handing us plent of crap to talk about – on an almost daily basis so I would prefer to deal with more of that stuff.
So, would now be a really good time to have a purge in the Democratic Party? It might be a lot easier to maintain ideological purity in a really small party.
You mean the part where she says she hold no grudges and still cares for him or the part that says he was very generous in their settlement. I have many Nam vet friends and virtually all of us has at least one divorce. I’m sorry but I rate this with the “bad pilot and bad student” as being totally irrelevant to the case against him. Throw in a quote by someone who is completely miscast as a leading campaigner for veterans’ rights in a British newspaper. I’d say it doesn’t mean shit. There is plenty to go after him on.
sorry, i haven’t seen anything but will give a shout out if i do.
Find me a fighter pilot that wasn’t a womanizer.
Well said.
Again, my point is: Just try calling out racism on the part of Republicans during the upcoming campaign when Ferraro et al are still respected members in good standing of the Democratic party.
Hung out in the nicest bars.
Agreed.
And, I have four horrifying words for all of us:
Treasury Secretary Phil Gramm.
please tell me you are not suggesting that we must be silent in the face of racist remarks in order to win an electoral victory?
Thanks Raven, that was my question, if this story should be in “File 13″ or given more play.
I also agree with you that the ‘bad pilot’ and ‘bad student’ stories are not needed to defeat McCain … not that you asked me. *g*
I read the link you provided. It’s also interesting that the post you linked didn’t acknowledge how the Harriet Christianson information got out inot the world.
Or were you not aware that it was Jane Hamsher who taped it and put it up on YouTube for all the world to see?
Don’t know why you give a hoot what Ferraro says or does. She is the past and a majority of the people voting today probably have never heard of her. Her words mean nothing and I seriously doubt that she is in “good standing” with the Dem Party at this point.
The larger point, as Christy’s excellent post aptly celebrates is that Obama’s victory is a great step forward for our nation. The dream is being realized. We need to complete this historic journey on November 4. We can do this if we drop our old internecine feuds and move forward together. That is what both Obama and Clinton have asked us to do.
I’ve got a friend that flew with him in the Nam. We were at a conference and there was a “social” at the end of the day. He said he could not go anywhere near anything like that anymore. Can you say Tailhook?
And be relegated to the dust bins of history for being unable to win any elections.
But we’ll be pure as can be while losing.
I don’t have a link but I think I saw something recently that the new registrations were in the 3.5 to 4 million range.
Noooooo!!!!
Want to Enronize the entire country?
I appreciate the fact that you did not take my “jumpin ugly” personally but I guess we’ve been through enough stuff here that you know it wasn’t. I woudl have written pretty much the same stuff until I saw that stuff about Sampley. It’s the kind of shit that buried Kerry because he took it. We are better than that.
I read on HuffPo (looking for linky) that his campaign is rolling out the voter registration drive on Monday, in all 50 states.
You have to kiss a lot of toads along the way in politics. I don’t have much use for all this grieving stuff. It’s a really tough business and you clean out your headquarters and go work for the guy who won. Or else you all lose.
Y’now maybe peeps like you are utterly and irredeemably fixated on being able to effectively fling “racism” poo as election strategy against the Repu’ublicists, to the exclusion of real, tangible, rational, constructive policy issue proposals. I don’t get it. And, neither does Obama.
Or, should he now be calling for Ferraro’s excommunication?
GET.OVER.IT.
As calling out racism/sexism, I think we should all study how Obama himself responded to racist remarks. He did not attack the person personally, and he has a way of disarming the press gaggle while at the same time questioning the validity of the remark(s) and turning it back onto the person who threw the barb in the first place. He comes out on top, the attacker doesn’t know what happened, and the press is totally mystified as why their ‘hot’ topic is going nowhere. It’s very effective.
Yes, exactly.
Again, yes, exactly. Political aikido.
I knew that you were upset at the other dude, not me and I respect your opinion too much to take offense even if you get mad at me.
That’s why I sought clarification from you, because you know the right stories to go after McCain with.
Thanks again.
They’ve already rolled that out in a lot of states. There are several YouTubes up of folks working on the registration drive — including our some of our own readers. :)
Of course not blatant racism. Most of what occurred in this campaing was nuanced, and I would prefer to follow the lead of Obama himself, and members of the Black Congressional Caucus, like James Clyburn. I didn’t hear any of them screaming about racism and many have demonstrated their courage against dogs and fire hoses.
I believe we have more immedieate problems than either sexism or racism right now. I would hate to see continuing deterioration on all fronts for four more years, because we decided to make this about race and sex.
Carrier based pilots had a reputation going back many years.
The other side of the coin were places like The Westerner in National City, just south of San Diego. Country motif and where the Westpac Widows who were so inclined went to pick up guys. If you couldn’t get lucky at The Westerner you couldn’t get lucky in a woman’s prison with a pocket full of pardons.
As we discussed last week, he is practicing the art of winning without violence/fighting.
Some firepups called it Aikido.
He hasn’t been perfect at it, but is far better than anyone else.
Sunny….we..know..that. We call them on it. You are preaching to the choir…but you are not listening.
For the GE ? I’m falling behind in the news because I’ve been tending to my younger girl’s illness but I thought they were rolling this out on Monday. Thanks Christy!
i know you do. but not every one here has the same priorities. so long as we share some basic values, can’t we tolerate different priorities? different people working on different things and in different niches – but all part of a progressive ecology?
Obama campaign has a voter registration drive that intends to register at least 200,000 new voters each month between now and November. They already had their first ‘weekend’ event and went over the goal. They are particularly targetting areas of low voter participation (minority and poor communities) and plan to do follow-ups and ‘keep-in-touch’ phone calls throughout the campaign season – and then get-out-the-vote stuff with these same people the day of.
I imagine that they are going to build on what Dr. Dean started. I can’t think of any team I would rather have than the good doctor and Obama. The Repubs should be very afraid.
My old man always said that the first thing the married guys did when the hit home port was to call home. . .the wanted to give em time to mau.
i will be very happy if dean is not booted from the dnc. i also like the combo.
Excellent selise, we were forced to address the underlying flaws of racism and sexism during this campaign and I hope it gets addressed in the GE.
There have been too much talk and not enough action on racism and sexism.
I believe it was announced yesterday or the day before that Dean would be staying. Yay!
I believe that Senator Obama has already stated that Dean would stay on as chair of the DNC at least through November.
He is the Chairman of the DNC, a position that Obama’s campaign has reaffirmed.
Darn it dakine01, I owe you a Dr. Pepper. *g*
selise, I think that is exactly what the Obama campaign has been doing – and I know it’s hard, but we are all working toward the same things. Sexism and racism cannot be eradicated until the people that feel that way feel like they are safe, secure, acknowledged, and equal. A lot of the ideas Obama has will help to achieve some of those goals – which must be met first before you can begin to address the issue with these individuals.
For instance, someone who is a racist because of their feeling that ‘blacks have been getting preferential treatment in affirmative action programs’ may have a precarious job situation or feel that they were the victim of a race-based hiring quota or some such. That person is not going to respond to someone just pointing out that their attitude isn’t correct – unless and until they feel safe in their job and their finances because of a policy that they can see rewards the best qualified candidate, and not use some other means. This is difficult to overcome – but the economic and social divides must be brought down using good social policies first.
That is not to say that we don’t continually address the issue – and point out the errors in attitudes and beliefs whenever possible – but in order to change them we have to change the system that created them in the first place.
iirc AA women have normally had the lowest voter turnout in almost every election for years. I expect that to change in this one.
Of course we can tolorate different priorities, but I have a right to state my view that we will never attain perfection in a candidate or the party, and I believe it is fair to serve warning that we may well experience continued war, conditnued hatred by friends and former allies, a declining standard of living, and a continuing loss of constitutional rights if we don’t focus on getting rid of radical Republican governement.
In other times, I might think the war against tobacco was critical.
I hope you understand that I’m expressing my opinion, and have no wish or way to dictate yours. I wouldn’t mind being able to convince you, however.
Twain, dakine01 and Petrocelli – woo hoo! thank you for the good news!
selise’s comment @ 57 of this post is the best way, going forward, IMO.
D-OH !
Twain, I owe you a Dr. Pepper as well.
Thanks – that’s my drink of choice.
lol. fair enough.
i don’t completely disagree – i just don’t see the dems (as they are currently lead) as the answer. but we are agreed about wanting to avoid a mccain presidency!
Going by the talks I’ve had with College students across America, Obama’s voter drives are going to be the difference in November. They are well informed and enthusiastic and can counter every slight at him with a ton of facts.
One of the difficulties of saying the Dems are in charge of Congress is that they really are not, especially in the Senate. So the slogan of ‘more and BETTER’ Dems is imperative. We must not forget the down-ticket races because without a Congress that can override the Rethug obstructionists – Obama will accomplish nothing. And after all this – that would be the saddest thing in the world.
Well, not quite as sad as him losing to McSlime, but you get what I mean.
i’m not sure exactly what obama wants to accomplish (other than winning the presidency). i hope we will do a better job of holding his feet to the fire than we have our democratic congress.
This is exactly why I like the voter drives … when he is POTUS, he will be answerable to his voters for keeping his campaign promises and I think he knows it.
start digging this Post for Christy will you …. there are ony 4 diggs….. Christy deserves more than that guys!!!
The down ticket races are what we need not to ignore. These are the people who are really going to call the shots. Until we achieve a filibuster proof Senate the Rethugs will continue to construct roadblock after roadblock. They have much to lose, by their metrics, and we will have cornered them. Cornered animals are the most dangerous.
Damn, spaced it out.
i’m not sure exactly what obama wants to accomplish
So you don’t believe to accomplish what he says he does? Maybe WE can hold his feet to the fire when WE actually have enough votes. . .ya think?
I may be mistaken, but your comments always remind me of the story about Emerson visiting Threau when Thorough had been jailed for protesting the Mexian War. Supposedly Emerson said, “Henry, what are you doing in there?”
Thoreau, replied, “Waldo, what are you doing out there?”
I know you’ve heard the story and I think it is the insistence on personal intellectual honesty which reminds me of Thoreau. I’m not exactly like that, but I admire it and it’s meant as a complement.
amen!
and i love the idea of bring more people into the process instead of just trying to have a different outcome.
i have my doubts (i was a slow adopter wrt dean also)… but imo this is a very, very good sign. fingers crossed and skepticism intact. *g*
I see a danger in focusing all our oppo efforts into discrediting McCain in the GE. I think we should focus the vast majority of our efforts in taking down the Republican party – because McCain is SO weak that he may just be a stalking horse, he will be switched out, and a bright shiny new model will be introduced in the R convention. And then all our efforts will be moot.
I really mauled the spellings. Henry David Thoreau.
good call. thank you for the reminder.
Here’s a link to his statements on Issues
maybe that will bring some clarity,
We ran the spelling and grammar police off a while ago.
Via a link from a Kos diary….Karma is a biatch:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem…..ehind.html
Ha, not so fast. . .
We spent about 25 comments on this already in this thread. . . hello?
I’m going to claim it was the Dr. Pepper spilled on my keyboard a while back; like a kid pounding the pocket of his glove after a grounder goes through.
Uh. I think Petro had posted that link directly up above and learned that Raven and others don’t necessarily think that Ted Sampley is a reputable person to be using to build the anti-McCain info around.
I’m wondering if the repubs will once again play the abortion card. Doesn’t seem like a winner for them this time-except in the 25% but they always seem to bring it up. If they do I think Obama should frame it as having the right to plan your own family and the right of that family to have the privacy to do that.
Sorry, I was stuck in the Grittv video screw up my computer and finally turn it off hysteria…I couldn’t get back to this thread till just now.
That’s why the down-ticket races are so important – we have to defeat them everywhere – not just POTUS.
The issues DO matter. SCOTUS nominees – you can talk about the impact of 2 or possibly 3 new justices almost immediately – on women’s rights, civil rights, restoring the rule of law in the administration, etc.
selise – this would be one thing you should pay very close attention to if you are concerned about sexism/racism because sexism was just ratified by the current SCOTUS in the Ledbetter case and also in overturning the Violence Against Women case. Obama has a really large group of influential advisers (including his very strong wife) who are women (more than Hillary did) and I am sure the issue of SCOTUS nominees is in the back of his mind already and will surely be at the forefront very shortly. I will be very confident that he will pick people for these seats that will support Roe, and reverse the trend of what’s going on in there now – or at least continue to try and hold the line against the right wing of the court.
Not just Sampley but that’ll do for starters.
Between his/her legs.
Been there, done that.
For a second, I thought it’s Groundhog Day. *g*
BTW…Kiddo showed up on the Grit thread.
nope.
because my doubts are due to the contradictions between his statements and his actions. i’m hoping for his actions to catch up with his statements.
Oh, oh, oh…now I get it. D’oh…
My bad.
Nevermind.
I’m an idjiot.
Sorry, I didn’t realize all that Sampley stuff came from that…
Oy vey.
swell
NP, it didn’t all come from him anyway.
i did not know that. can you give me a linky? thanks!
Christy late to the thread but what I can’t wait for is for this to become that race or religion no longer matter and when Religion is totally kept out of politics… Religion is a personal compass and not a road map that this country must follow…. Also when pure out and out greed at someone else’s loss and demise is out lawed…. The good of the country comes first and then it’s citizens and not corporate America… a new corporation can be created but individual people are one of a kind and never can be replaced. Our structure of laws need to reflect this TRUTH. Individuals must never become disposable by any corporation or in Fact Country…. Cannon folder must be out lawed and those who falsely use our troops as fodder in their personal quests must be brought before a judge and jury of his peers and be tried.
He framed it along those lines during that one- on- one debate with Jon Meacham (I think … not getting enough sleep).
I thought the best line was when he said that pro- lifers have to realize that someone does not willfully get pregnant just so they could have an abortion.
So THAT would matter to you huh?
The thing that strikes me about these guys is they use veteran’s rights and other vet issues to cover their personal contempt for McCain. For the few I’ve looked into I’ve yet to figure out what their beef is but I know it’s there. None of them served with him and I can’t find any connection except the most superficial. It’s like Jim O’Neil and Kerry. Weird.
i’ve read the opposite (there’ve been lots of claims and not a lot of evidence) but i haven’t seen the list.
yeah, i guess it matters a little bit – for example, i didn’t like mark penn. but maybe it shouldn’t matter to me – what do you think?
What/who do they really want?
Weird, you’re goin soft on me! They are the worst kind of opportunists we can imagine.
Is your real name Juno?
I’m really glad that Raven and you as well as other veterans are here to guide us through this minefield. We have to define McCain and the Repubs in the strongest way that will not blow up in our faces.
out of line.
Never did understand how O’Neill had any credibility on Kerry since he joined that squadron after Kerry was back in the States.
Anything he’d have to say about Kerry could only be hearsay at best.
Excellent news (H/T perris) … White House concerned …
That’s another question I haven’t been able to answer. It’s also hard to figure out where their money is coming from. Kiley of veteransagainstmccain is linked to Duncan Hunter and I suspect a lot of his money comes from that crowd. Like the Swift Boaters, there are some deep pocket wingers who fund these sites. A lot of the deep pocket wingers are unhappy with his stace on immigration and see that as a direct threat to their profits so I can understand why they would support hate sites.
… because Kerry kept saying the gloves are coming off but did not respond effectively … his campaign should have been prepared for this, given his stance after returning from the war.
Hmm do I think what gender his advisor’s are is more important than what he says his position on issues are. . .is that a trick question. Lemmee put it this was, half of what any candidate says in a campaign is what they “think” not what they can actually get done. My position is that the president in many ways is an office that has great influence but still, on may issues, really doesn’t DO much. Supreme court, military action yes, the rest, not so much. I think the dude has a chance to change the tone and direction of this country. As far as him bowing to everything on every “progressive” agenda? Rotsa ruck.
nah, inside joke
Geez, they’re cannibalizing each other. What a lovely thing.
He displayed a similar attitude toward a fight he instigated against Jan Scruggs of the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund. Scruggs is the man who came up with the idea to erect the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington; he is now president of the fund that administers the memorial, a wall containing the names of service members killed in Vietnam. The wall has an accompanying statue, titled The Three Servicemen.
The trouble between Sampley and Scruggs began when Sampley acquired a public demonstration permit from the National Park Service that allowed vigils and other gatherings on federal land. Sampley set up what he said was a POW vigil booth along the walkway leading to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial. Its outward purpose was to hold an ongoing vigil for missing servicemen, but its location made it ideal for reaching a tailor-made market of service families, veterans, and other citizens paying respect to fallen warriors. Sampley stocked his vigil booth with POW paraphernalia, such as bumper stickers, badges, and flags, plus pamphlets, copies of his newspaper, and a bevy of T-shirts and other souvenirs bearing the likeness of The Three Servicemen.
Scruggs was offended that Sampley would turn the memorial into a self-serving commercial opportunity. Scruggs was even more disturbed that Sampley would market images of The Three Servicemen. The copyright to the statue is owned jointly by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial Fund and the sculptor, Frederick Hart. All income deriving from the statue’s likeness belongs to the fund and the sculptor. The fund uses its portion of profits to help maintain the memorial. Hart donates his share to a nonprofit group that provides name rubbings and other services to Vietnam veterans and their families.
Hart contacted Sampley and asked that he stop selling the T-shirts. Sampley refused. Hart and Scruggs then asked Sampley to do what other vendors had done: enter into a licensing agreement that would permit him to sell images of the statue. Again, Sampley said no.
Veterans going after other veterans that way is puzzling…there seems to be a deep resentment to race and perceived elitism. Those are the ingredients of white supremist sentiments.
i don’t expect him to be a progressive (although i think it’s our job to push him in that direction).
wrt to advisors vs statements. actions vs words. advisors have been a good predictor – position statements, less so. at least that is my impression…. but i don’t have the data to back it up. just that for presidents, what they do once they are in office seems to have very little to do with what they said during their campaign.
what they’ve done with their current political offices seems far more important to me.
Ted Sampley, whose nose for publicity and knack for making money from invented controversies is colorfully detailed by Mrs. Keating, is the author of my own chapter in the POW conspiracy, in which I am exposed as a KGB-trained Manchurian Candidate. Mrs. Keating puzzles over the perverse pride Mr. Sampley takes in his work, which included torturing the family of an American POW in Iraq with fabricated details of his cruel death at the hands of an Iraqi mob. When the pilot was subsequently freed alive, Mr. Sampley dismissed his fraud as necessary to publicize the plight of POWs. Mr. Sampley excuses all his scams as necessary to advance a noble cause. Mrs. Keating reveals that his likely real motive is more mundane: money. She notes his earnings from his T-shirt concession located near the Vietnam Veterans Memorial were nearly $2 million over three years. He keeps his overhead costs down by not paying a dime to his employees.” -John McCain [Washington Times, 12/10/94]
I think O’Neil’s beef was that he didn’t get the attention Kerry got. The operations the PCF’s (Patrol Craft Fast) had been conducting were slacking off by the time O’Neil was made OIC (Officer in Charge) of one. Kerry’s appearance at the Senate hearing made him go ballistic. Real gung ho, “kill ‘em all, let god sort ‘em out” kinda guy. After Kerry had him for lunch on Cavet(sp) he really went off the deep end.
It’s actually — spelled backwards — “regnilfoop”.
He will only get to begin the work of making those changes to the American society and government. It is up to us to keep electing those with progressive credentials that we need to do. It is only the beginning!! Hope it all goes the way we progressives want… It would definitely be good for the country as a whole!
don’ know what to tell ya, vote for Bob Barr and Ron Paul?
The Rev? Never!
Oh, duh,
sunny.
Fixated on the potential comprising of our ability to hurl racism/sexism shit at the Goopers this fall.
raven! i’m not talking about not supporting obama! i’m just not without a ton of skepticism wrt what he intends to do in when he is (hopefully) president.
The larger question is, don’t we have anything better to do today than this?
k, I’ll stop trying to make you stop worrying so much. . .jam on.
“i don’t have the data to back it up”
________
“In God We Trust. All others bring data.”
-Dr. Brent James, MD, MStat
i can barely move it’s so hot. if you’re lucky i will so not be able to type either. *g*
That’s why the down ticket races are so important. With a responsible Congress irresponsible acts by a President can be avoided.
Here’s the list for all the candidates in the foreign policy area – Hillary has one, Madeline Albright, Obama has four listed – although Samantha Power has left the campaign after this article was published. I’ll try to find the domestic policy list.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..wonks.html
That is just frikkin’ strange…the whole thing…just strange.
Well, that was my exact point earlier @176.
damn.
that should have been:
if you’re lucky i will soon not be able to type.
… looks like that point has arrived. i’m going to pour some cold water over my head. catch you all later.
Off to the big box food store and 15 minutes of a/c.
Ummm…anything in particular we should know about or is it just healthy skepticism? Just wondering.
selise
here is another list of Obama’s team from an article just today in the Chicago Tribune
http://www.chicagotribune.com/…..ory?page=1
You can google each individual and learn more about their various work and positions.
Book Salon upstairs hosted by Phoenix Woman on New Media. Like FDL.
i was hoping kiddo could rejoin us here in the big tent ;)
it matters to me.
and was one of the reasons i came to favor obama.
The POTUS really does not have the ability to do much in terms of achieving an agenda. S/he can set the stage, use the bully pulpit, negotiate and ask the people/voters to help. But in the end – it’s the congresscritters who will actually determine the final outcome. They write the bills, they add all the stupid amendments, they have all the ridiculous conflicts of interest, and they ultimately decide whether the bill passes or not. All the POTUS can do is hope that his constituents can/will put enough pressure on each individual congresscritter to get something that sort of resembles what s/he wants.
For anyone interested…here is Dan Rather’s speech at the Media Reform conference:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97SzcumnYdc