Genius isn’t the same thing as intelligence, there are plenty of intelligent mediocrities. The highest IQ on record (and yes, IQ is not everything, but it measures something important as well) is that of Dos Savant (Marilyn Jarvik). To the best of my knowledge she has no significant body of work in any field, nor any great accomplishments. Yet she is, unquestionably, so much smarter than someone like Napoleon that there is no comparison. Indeed even most composers and theoretical scientists have IQs that pale in comparison.
Intelligence is one factor in genius, and it is generally necessary to be highly intelligent to be a genius. But it is not sufficient. Instead, genius is about obsession. It takes, on average, about 10 years of dedicated study to master a field. This has nothing to do with formal education – some people learn at school, just as many great geniuses have not. The time can be reduced by high intelligence, but not as much as one might think.
Operating at the highest levels is about integrative complexity, and what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi has called Flow. Flow is the state where you are operating at the edge of your ability – where your mind can just barely handle whatever you are doing (or rather, thinking) at the moment. In such a state the outside world fades out, time stretches or contracts so that hours pass as instants, and thought and action become the same thing.
There are many ways to achieve flow – meditation is one way of systemizing flow so that you can achieve it at will, and so are many of the techniques that are considered to lead to enlightenment in many traditions. However for most people flow occurs when their abilities are precisely matched to the challenge they are facing.
Which brings us to integrative complexity. Integrative complexity is simply a measure of how much information you can hold in your head at one given time. The ability to hold a complicated argument in your head all at one time, with all its caveats and arguments, is an example of integrative complexity. Historical psychologists measure integrative complexity by reading the speeches and writing of historical figures and noting the number of clauses and caveats routinely used. Figures can move up and down the scale – for example, revolutionaries need to speak with low integrative complexity while revolutionaries, but successful rulers need high integrative complexity to actually run the state. A good case in point is Castro. During his time as a revolutionary his integrative complexity was very low, but once he was in power it rose significantly. Revolutionaries unable to make the shift up tend not to last once the revolution is won (Trotsky, as compared to Lenin, for example.)
Thinking or performing in any field is a skill. All skills operate in essentially the same way. When you first perform a skill you have to use your raw processing power (which, even for a genius, is very small). You have to think about what you’re doing. As you practice with the skill things you once had to think about become automatic and you are able to use those components automatically, while adding in other components. As such your ability to think or perform moves up the scale. In the physical arts an example would be learning a basic stance in martial arts – until you learn that stance, you can’t add a kick or an evasion, or even a movement within a stance. Once you add it, you can add a specific movement. Over time those movements become part of one thing or become an easily used language, and you can shift easily from one to another. This is the style of learning used in traditional Japanese arts, where, for example, an archery student might spend months doing nothing by draw his bow, never ever shooting an arrow, or where a traditional butcher would spend months practicing his grip, then months making only a few different cuts, on a specific type of meat. By the end of the process the archer always pulls the string correctly (and even this is made up of multiple parts, including breathing) and the butcher never holds a knife incorrectly, nor uses an incorrect knife.
But even if not formalized, this is how you get better at pretty much everything – you take the small and learn to do it automatically, and then you lump it into the big. In intellectual traditions part of this occurs when you learn specialized language. When I say “Externalization of costs in the food industry is health pollution” I’m saying something that would take a few essays to explain properly to people who haven’t internalized a particular understanding of economics and ecology.
A genius moves up the chain of integrative complexity quickly, but more than that a genius is addicted to a particular form or forms of flow. Operating at peak, in flow, is something everyone enjoys, but most people aren’t very good at obtaining peak. The problem is that the goalposts keep moving – as you get better at something, a performance that took everything out of you, and threw you into flow, will no longer do so. You have to step up, and make it harder, and risk failure, in order to do so. (The other method of obtaining something approaching peak is to reduce capacity. This is one of the things that alcohol and many other drugs do.)
And so, to the outsider, genius often looks like obsession. Operating at peak literally puts you in a place where your entire concentration is dedicated to what you’re doing. It can be profoundly alienating to the people around you.
The life cycle of genius varies between disciplines. Roughly speaking there are two different types of intelligence. There is liquid intelligence, which is raw processing power. This is your sheer ability to operate, and it is highest in the young. Fields that operate in pure symbology, such as math and physics, reward this very highly. The greatest mathematicians generally make their great discoveries in their twenties, and there is a saying that if you aren’t a great mathematician by 30, you never will be.
At the other end is crystallized intelligence. This is how much skill you’ve made automatic, or knowledge you’ve internalized as discussed above. Fields such as history, for example, value this sort of information highly. No matter how smart you are, it’s hard to know enough to make a significant contribution to such a field young.
Which leads to another important point. You can’t look it up! No, you can’t. If you don’t know it, if you haven’t internalized it, you can’t make connections between it and something else, you can’t work with it. The old saying that “the more I know, the more I know I don’t know” speaks to this. Most people have no idea of their profound ignorance. You can’t work with what you don’t know, and you can’t look up what you don’t know you don’t know. Genius – creative accomplishment, is about making new combinations with your skills and knowledge. Knowledge in a book, which isn’t in your head or your hands, can’t be used in that process.
Once you have all that knowledge, once you have all those skills, you have to do something with it. And while I’m not a genius, I’m here to tell you that creative work is a mystery even to those who do it. You put everything together, you stir it up, you think about it a lot and then half the time you give up and sometime later it comes to you in a flash – the pieces whirl around in your head, click and fit together and in that instant you see it. After you see it, you have to grind out the consequences of what you’ve seen, and you have to put it in language that other people can understand (invariably highly frustrating), but it’s that moment of insight, which Hambly once called “the cold clear ecstasy of intellectual discovery” which is the final, and ultimate payoff for all the years of constant refinement of skill and knowledge.
Hambly said something else which is entirely appropriate to the subject: “Love something for itself and it will give itself to you.” You can’t do all of this out of duty. Sometimes there are hard slogs, true, but ultimately no one is a creative genius who doesn’t, well enjoy isn’t quite the right word, but obsess in probably is, their chosen work.
There are other things that could be said, but we’ll leave it at that for now, except to note that I am not a genius (except in the strict and bogus sense that I have a high enough intelligence to qualify for the book definition used in some circles.) As Heinlein once noted about himself, I am smart enough to stand on the border of genius, to understand, but not to, mostly, do. Instead I am a generalist. I move from field to field, and I pick up the 20% of the knowledge of the field that is required to understand 80% of its applications, and then I move on to the next field. The late Oldman, whom some of you may remember, was a genius, one of the very few I’ve been lucky enough to meet, and he himself recognized the difference.
Most of my friends are generalists or specialists. A good specialist is someone who is a borderline genius and who makes the choice to dedicate himself to a field. A generalist is the same person who cannot give up the bright sparkly objects in other fields to concentrate on just one and work on that last 80% of the knowledge that separates the real specialist from the knowledgeable generalist. For concrete modern day examples – DeLong is a good specialist and Krugman is a genius and that is no insult to DeLong at all.



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Aloha, Ian!
Hey Ian!
Hello Ian, any comment about Citigroup’s Falcon Hedge Fund down 75%? How can so many samrt people suck?
Lovely, Ian.
Ian, you’re brilliant.
Dude, that’s some seriously deep shit! Can’t we just talk about how Hillary is a crypto-Republican or something?
Hi Ian!
I am smart enough to know I’m not very smart.
lol!
yeah, I know a little bit about a lot of things — which means I don’t know much about anything.
HAHAHAH!! Just kidding!
In my experience, the experimental sciences are like history, in the sense that creativity does not depend so much on pure intellectual information processing capacity–although that does help–but rather development over long periods of time of a rich conceptual and empirical mental framework that embodies all of the experimental and theoretical history of a field.
Hi, Ian. Wow. Another post I’m going to have to go back and re-read. When you talk about “flow” it sounds like what athletes or people who do physical things call “the zone,” that place where you’re not “thinking” at all, just “doing,” at your highest ability. And you’re right about IQ — if you go by numbers I’m a “genius,” and that and bus fare can get me to work. However, I do have the sense to come in out of the rain which some don’t…!
interesting post. thx.
Ian, OfT, but I just started Charles R. Morris’ THE TRILLION DOLLAR MELTDOWN. He really does not disappoint, it’s a terrific work and so accessible. Thank you.
Heinlein was one of my personal favorites of all time!
Marion, this is one of those posts that I will read aloud — to really get to all the nubbins.
At the 10th anniversary celebration of our Russian work, my speech included: “I still don’t know what I’m doing, but at a much higher level.”
the martial arts reference is interesting: it does seem to be a pretty reliable way to show people how to get that flow experience. Interestingly, there’s a lot of debate about the right way to teach it — building on basics the way you describe, Ian, or working from the final movements to flesh out the basics.
ian, you imply there’s a formal measure for integrtive complexity in speech?
I classify myself as a knowledgeable generalist… but, I prefer the colloquial “Jack of all trades, Master of none…” ;-)
huh, answering my own questions — thought this was interesting: http://www.psych.ubc.ca/~psuedfeld/CXY.html
My reading of Ian’s assertion regarding speech/writing was that complexity of sentence structure is a proxy for integrative complexity.
Then again, I know folks with alot of book learnin’ but no horse sense whatsoever.
I know just what that feels like. I happen to be rather good at what I do….and I am more aware of possibilities and complexities and matters beyond my current grasp now than I was when I started in my field, lo these many many years ago….
that seems to be the notion. info on measuring it here: http://www.psych.ubc.ca/~psuedfeld/Workshop.html
These people aren’t smart. They cheat.
In karate you spend a lot of time on flow, such as learning kata movements.
I have said often to friends that if there were a line, a hard fast line between a person with normal inteligence and a person who is handicapped, our president would not be on my side of that line
An interesting IQ Study:
http://www.iwf.org/news/show/19002.html
heh. i’m with you on that. And sometimes i call myself a vast storehouse of useless information *g*
As a generalist, I resemble that remark. Thanks for eloquently analysing the moment of creative insight.
Glad you’re liking it. I thought it was pitched to the right level.
Being smart means never having to admit you’re wrong.
At least until reality takes a 2×4 to your head.
It’s in the stars for us, eh? Trivia buffs…! Helps when I’m tackling the NYT crosswords in pen…! ;-)
I thought it was, being American means never having to admit we’re wrong.
I believe there is, though I can’t give you references on that. I do know that historical psychologists use it to try and figure out the IQ of historical figures, so I believe there’s a fair bit of rigor to it.
I classify myself as “unclassified”
I believe I am like the number zero, useful at times but with no known method to define
here’s an interesting thought;
contrary to popular teaching, multiples using zero does not always end up as a zero
for instance, 0×6=0
however contrary to common knowledge, 6×0 = 6 !
for instance, if I have 5 apples and multipy those apples by zero, how many do I have?
I have five apples not zero
just a little levity to brighten all our days, carry on
yeah — it looks like there is a procedure for measuring. like PLovering link to IQ tests, some interesting questions are if a person keeps exhibiting the same int complexity and what else it might be correlated with? i.e. what else does it mean?
anycase, interesting to think about. thx.
I figure that’s why they call it “practicing” law. When I first started practicing, I got by on a really strong memory, and now that my memory is less than what it was, it doesn’t matter so much. I have this framework, and a good sense of the possible that I couldn’t have imagined years ago.
I’m currently learning tai-chi, and the school I’m in seems to layer. You learn the movements, then you learn the breath, then you learn the intention, then you try and put it all together. And then they teach you the martial application and you learn the whole thing all over again from a different angle.
But one thing they do is teach a simple qi-gong set at the beginning with movement, breath and intention, so you don’t have to wait months to get what they call a “moving meditation” experience from the long form proper.
During my painful calculus classes, I couldn’t use such brevity in proving it…! ;-)
I have never learned anything unless I learned the intention first
I’ve held memory but I didn’t learn, nor do I believe it is possible to learn anything until you understand the intention, I believe you can only commit to memory without that understanding
Just to brainstorm a bit from reading your article:
Interesting. J. Campbell said, “Follow your bliss.” Getting into that creative “zone” is blissful. Intellectually, physically, and/or spiritually.
I analyze things with a pyschological eye. I think the flow state needs to be an ego-less state. When the baseline-self is so secure and free to be caught up in the being/doing and mind chatter is not commenting, blocking, not fear and shame inspiring.
There are natural talents and abilities and interests and capacities people have and when given a safe psychological corral, which unfortunately is rare in terms of the wounds of social conditioning or the logistics of earning a living, etc., keeps many from becoming specialists or geniuses, those with that potential, but when the corral is available the satisfaction and gratification must grow exponentially!
With A.D.D. I have read (and experienced I suspect) … it seems that there is a danger of being understimulated so entering a flow state is close to impossible and also at times the danger of being easily overstimulated which distracts and impedes that comfort zone of concentration.
Integration … mind, body and spirit. The human quest.
At least stare decisus makes you to look it up, eh? Lexis-Nexus at the least…! ;-)
so what do we do if blackwater is charged with enforcing martial law?
Pray! ;-)
I believe different people learn best in different ways. What works best for you is not necessarily what works best for others.
That said, I’ve always, personally, found it very useful to know “why” as well, and when I teach I make sure my students know it.
tai chi’s the art I practice also. lots of basics and layering. in recent years, one of my teachers has been pointing me more towards dealing w/ the whole movement and structuring the basics out of that. it’s an interestingly different approach — each shedding light on the other.
Hopefully, we’d see a similar scenario as Pakistan… Whereby many lawyers took to the streets in protest…!
I drove my foreign language instructors completely nuts asking questions about the meanings and relationships of words.
i liked that a lot — esp’ly the balance between the secure&free baseline state and experience in the flow.
which is just an awesome image …
Are you talking Amadeus to Salieri? Genius v. Specialist?
here’s an example;
I teach tennis and if I try to demonstrate top spin it can take some time for a student to implement
however if I explain;
“as the ball travels forward with topspin there is obviously high pressure in front of the ball, as the ball spins it whisks pressure out from under toward the back, it whisks pressure from the back toward the top and it whisks pressure on top toward the front, however there is already pressure developed toward the front from the forward motion and all forces accumulate as a wall in front and on top of the ball, therefore creating higher pressure on top then on bottom, bringing the ball downward at a different angle of attack”
of course it takes more time then that but when I explain the purpose they get it almost immediately rather then through muscle memory or experience
I feel like so many of us, who had talents when we were young, have a kind of anorexia about embracing them as we age. Not willing to indulge the energy and time for the “learning curve” as the beginner that Ian mentions or not the frustration tolerance which we did not enjoy from others when we were young in cultivating our gifts and interests.
Heh, it’d clear up their PR image a tad, eh? ;-)
Fascinating post Ian! As a musician, I experience flow when playing a piece that’s just at the edge of my skill. When that happens, everything else recedes in my consciousness. It doesn’t happen when I’m practicing a new piece and learning all the individual notes and phrases.
As for intention, in music that might be called “interpretation.” In learning a piece from written music that you’ve never heard performed, the mechanics of learning the notes must happen before you can incorporate the feeling of the piece. Jazz and other improvisational music forms, on the other hand, start with the emotion, with less pre-arrangement, and build the melody and interpretation on that.
ian, this is the best post i have ever read……..thank you.
have you heard of the ’eq’ theory? emotional quotient, is a way of assessing intelligence……includes the arts.
there are too many things i could directly comment on, so, instead i’ll just share.
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you forgot one category in the ’generalists, specialists’ part—technicians, who seem to be ’genius’ but are merely technically adept and miss that creative genius that would take them to another level of output. sometimes get credit for being ’artists’ but aren’t…they don’t create, they just ’play’ or ’make’….many miss that one when calling someone a ’creative genius’…..
i was/am lucky to have a genius uncle…….pursuit of knowledge and curiosity still, even though now he doesn’t even remember what he used to do…guggenheim institute….he still is curious about his surroundings and the people in it. which makes him interesting, still.
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my big moment of theory was when i realized how the physics theory—energy cannot be created or destroyed only changed—-applies to absolutely everything….5 types of energy, when one is used up it converts to another—example, lightbulb, extra turns to heat…..rub hands together, turns to heat…….applies in all things…space, trees, breathing, how the body works, the list goes on and on……..i wrote 93 pages worth…….
a french scientist, can’t think of his name, first discovered it and said that if there was a dome placed over paris and it was burnt to the ground, there would be the same atomic weight of the after as the before, including solids and gases, etc…….think about that……everything converts to something else……is not ever created or destroyed only changed…everything, even people…i call it the conversion theory…..changed how i look at everything after that. we have no idea the extent of what atoms and exchanges go on between things, and if this law is applicable in space and on earth, must have more happening between things than we think.
so, i ’m not a genius either, but i have great thoughts sometimes…….and i write them down.
so, thanks for your post and saying that a lot of times people like me are misunderstood and not taken the right way…….the information matters more than the ball in play……..that i do know.
forgive the OT,
but Hillary’s speech is speaking up on CSPAN
I slept through it this afternoon
There is also emotional intelligence, a capacity for empathy.
An interesting experiment I once conducted with some kids. Write a story from a very small child’s point of view I asked. They did and the results were not bad, but a bit cutesy.
Then I said, “write a new story as if a much younger child but this time with your opposite non-writing hand”. They did and the stories were awesome AND the emotional intelligence of the kids skyrocketed from that earlier assignment from their FEELING that struggle empathetically that a very young child would have, and that they were very integrated mind/body/feeling. I think they were in a kind of flow state, integration of body, mind and spirit with that writing exercise.
hey dmac HI!
I think of you and bless you everytime I mummy my toes — lol!
and I hope you forgive this one. I was just in a household where the husband is a staunch republican. He told his wife that Hillary didn’t concede. He says they said on the news that she was “suspending” her campaign, which meant to them and to him that she was ready to keep trying to win. I told him I listened to her speech where she pledged all her support to Obama. His response: “That’s not what they said on the news.”
How interesting. I wonder if accessing the opposite side of the brain (for most the kids, utilizing the right side more the second time round) also played a part in the change…What a neat experiment, LL. Have you done more with this?
That is awesome, making them shift in their use of hands… Forced them to utilize the other hemisphere of the brain… Fascinating!
the art of thinking versus absolute thought
Dang, Laura! What’s your beverage of choice…? ;-)
Ahh
then there’s the Alien Left Hand Syndrome wiki
Reading your reply makes me think not of my own curriculum which wasn’t that consistently creative… but Betty Edwards’ stuff about drawing from the right side of the brain. One of HER experiments was to have beginners copy a famous drawing only turn it upside down before copying it.
It is incredible how much better you draw it than you would right side up, because your left brain gets frustrated telling you how to draw the line and lets your right brain and EYE actually draw it without the left brain’s “logic” that is inappropriate. I am so glad you mentioned that left/right brain stuff. I think the ego-thinking comes from the left brain and that jams our ability to be integrated in the flow state.
I’m drinking filtered water on ice right now. (I’m SUCH a cheap date! ; ) )
Also, emotionally HUMBLED them, which is not a bad lesson for any of us, so they got to see that little kids learning to write were not “dumber than they” but at that physically challenged level. Thanks!
perris at 62–too funny, i played tennis……..1st doubles, 2nd singles.
topspin? my dad could tell ya……killer top spin…..you couldn’t see him do it.
but i still kicked his ass, he cracked a rib on the fence going after one of my backhands. he got it, and kept on playin’, for a minute or two…….
taught me how to do that sneaky spin on my serve…..dangerous.
here, have an apple……
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it also helps to know if someone is visual or not, if they’re visual, all the explaining in the world ain’t gonna get it…..
sun down enough to cool off a little, gotta go finish pottin’ up some herbs, they can’t stay in those little pots, too hot…..bbl…..
Yes, I think intention matters. But so does inground practice. A story I didn’t use here, but have elsewhere is about being taught house-painting. The guy who taught me showed me two grips, watched as I used them, physically corrected me, then left me with a deck and a bunch of paint and the instruction “take your time, do it right. I’m not in a rush, I want you to do it right, not fast.”
I eventually became extremely fast, but I also became extraordinarily accurate. Most house painters use tape when edging, I didn’t need to but could edge by eye and hand and slop no paint at all, for example.
But if I had tried to be fast first, I would never have had good form, and thus I would never have been good.
I’ve come to believe that this is the way to learn most things well – do the very basics well and as slowly as you have to to be perfect, speed builds over time. And, for more complicated endeavours, start lumping things together.
At the same time if you don’t understand why you’re doing something you are what DMAC calls a technician — you can’t change properly or improvise well when circumstances change. At my last corporate job they started teaching people what to do, and stopped teaching them why they were doing it, and they turned out years of drones who might be very fast hard workers, but the second something odd happened, they were paralyzed, because they never knew the reasons for why they were doing what they did. (I once walked the floor asking the new ones if they’d learned how something had worked. If they hadn’t I invited them to come learn at my desk in 15 minutes. Most of them did want to learn “why”. I found that very interesting.)
I’m left handed and couldn’t do anything with my right hand through my youth
I have found that as I’ve aged I do most things knew with my right hand if it doesn’t require strength
I’ve read that as we age the nerves die in our favored hand and we beging to do things more meticlous with the oposite
with me this is quite accurate
Drawing upside down lets you get into the flow. As an artist I know that my best work is done when my brain is in the flow or, rather, turned off. I am left handed and so visual that I can’t work at a “normal” job.
I had actually imagined you got the idea for the exercise from Betty Edwards’ idea! Handwriting is an interesting thing. I once came across an exercise in which one tried to produce one’s handwriting from different ages (going back to childhood) and, after writing, jotting down memories of that time….Interesting to see how one’s vocabulary and focus changed with what might be called a self-induced regression….
EQ – conversation and human intereaction is a great place to achieve flow state. It’s just another type of ability, and a very important one. Lots of salespeople just love sales, nothing is better for them.
I remember once in a dance class, the teacher telling me “TAKE YOUR TIME.” I immediately slowed down, feeling chastised. He laughed, and said, “I didn’t say, slow down. I meant for you to take YOUR time. Whatever time or pace that is.” That was years ago… but it makes me smile and was such a permission-giving and encouraging statement. How rare is that, to be given ownership of what we do. It should not be rare. But it is.
by that same example, if I didn’t understand why paint might flow more easy or coat too thin I would wonder why sometimes I enjoyed painting and sometimes I would not
here’s an interesting factoid;
did you know scissors are right handed?…they do not work for lefties!
I did not until a was about 25 years old and just thought I was spastic!…then one day in an art supply store I saw a big sign that said “ambidextrous scissors”
I thought it was a joke until I saw the price and quality of the scissors I realized it was no joke, I asked the helper who laughed out loud;
“of course scissors are right handed”..pissed me off all my life why I could not cut paper
more factoids;
screw pens are right handed they unscrew on lefties
clip boards are right handed a lefty bumps into the clip becuase he is pushing a righty does not because he pulls
ink is right handed, a lefty smudges ink as he pushes throug to write, by the time a righty comes to the ink again with his hand on the next line has dried
all of these things I learned after I was twenty
I wonder if that upside down drawing is part of really focusing on the actual contour line, and not HURRYING to get to the finish of the total drawing. Being among the trees instead of analyzing the forest. Sometimes one is good, sometimes the other.
Interesting points. I think one of the most important but underrated aspects of how things work in group settings is the institutional memory. And that has to be kept alive deliberately, or the vine starts to die….
I study aikido. Technique is taught very, very slowly, as speed conceals sloppiness…It’s interesting, too, to discover how much of what one thinks the effort entails/is about changes over the years….It’s like the Monty Python joke about the “three things (and then four are listed). Then four things (and five…..)
You’d like this book:
He looks a “handedness” and also has fascinating stuff about artists and musicians who lose the use of their dominant hand and re-learn the art with the other.
Interesting. Maybe I’ll do a bit of non-dominant hand experimenting in the next couple days and see how it feels. Might give me some zen moments. I am too often focused on the future.
hey elliot!! say you as i was signing off, hope the toe is getting less painful and healing……..
and libbyliberal in my post at 56 i brought up emotional intelligence, can’t think of the researcher’s name, great book, everyone should read it…..
carolyn myss, phd also goes into different types of intelligence and how to access it in her audio series advanced energy anatomy. and another series/seminar that has to do with how the brain works that i can’t think of the name of it……i have a problem remembering names of things……
ok, off to do the herb dirt dance. only chance is late at night and early in the morning, humid mid-90’s here……gotta take pity on the poor things in those little pots, they’ll be much cozier potted up.
bbl
YES! That is an utterly fascinating read!
hey ian, I had an interesting conversation with someone who actually thought ron paul had the best economic strategy to for our economy
I know it’s off topic but I think you would especially appreciate the point and can use it in your future economy posts;
the boston tea party, (the beginning of America) was started BECAUSE king george LOWERED taxes and regulation for his pals in the china import company! (sound familiar?…it should, that’s what ron paul wants)
that’s right, the revolution to create this nation began BECAUSE our founding fathers INSISTED on MORE regulation not less
ok, back to your regularly scheduled topic, sorry to go ot
Have you ever found your ‘Ki’…? OT, did you take a gander at my post today…? 8-)
I never read that Emotional Intelligence book but will look into it. I was assuming a lot when I spoke of “emotional intelligence.” I think of it as empathy.. but will have to see what the author claims it is.
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain
Here’s an interview with the author
The Hand
Of course I liked it because my flow experience often occurs under the hood of my 66 Chevy Pickup!
Ki energy can be really powerful, though, and cultivated for sure but a newbie beginner when purely focused can summon incredible strength by channeling it, right? Hold up your arm and extend ki and if focused no one can bend it?
Thanks for another of your infallibly eye-opening, mind-broadening posts, Ian.
you know what?
I just realized hebrew is left handed!
interesting
hebrew what, writing?
It is powerful, when you find it and center it… I’m still trying to find it myself…! ;-)
Yep. It is written from right to left, so left-handed people don’t smear the ink when the write.
It’s not lost, CT. It’s everywhere.
I used to write affirmations, and I wrote them with my left hand, hoping they would take hold better. I noticed my breathing shifted and slowed as I wrote, too. It felt meditative.
I worked with this brilliant kid at Georgia Tech, Computer Science Major. He was going nuts about this noise in his car, really bad at low rpm’s, silent at speed. I asked him if he’d popped a hubcap to see if a lug nut had come off. . . yup.
Took me half a century to learn how to hold pen and paper. It looks very strange indeed to a righty, but it’s the only technique that permits me to write for hours. I’m sure you’ve heard that lefties die a little younger than righties — perhaps due to continual low-level stress and irritation at dealing with the artifacts of a right-handed world.
True, but, it seems to elude me when I’m trying to focus or center on my Ki…
south paw
it reads and writes from right to left rather then left to right
a lefty smudges ink when they write from write to left, they push
with hebrew they would pull
Operating at the highest levels is about integrative complexity, and what Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi has called Flow. Flow is the state where you are operating at the edge of your ability – where your mind can just barely handle whatever you are doing (or rather, thinking) at the moment. In such a state the outside world fades out, time stretches or contracts so that hours pass as instants, and thought and action become the same thing.
I operate at the edge of my ability all the time here which I like it forces me to be better. “Hours pass as instants ” sure as long as the topic is good and I’m into the topic.
As a group mind can we collectively be called genius if we help accomplish things thought impossible by the MSM like National Healthcare or getting Bushed impeached?
and just to add to the conversation, i am truly ambidextrous and left and right brained, art and math major, equally.
scary…..and hard as hell sometimes……..
example—for years, couldn’t draw what i ’saw’…drew right-handed..so frustrating, drove me to tears, i’m not kidding, like math does to some people (math to me is like sex though, relaxes me, clear head i love math)..then, in my thirties said to best friend, ok, i’ll try one last time, so, took a course with her at miami……one day looked at my page and the leaves, they leapt off the page!!!!
was like fifteen years of doing art had come out in an instant, cuz it had.
but i didn’t know why, looked down, my left hand was dirty with charcoal, i was drawing left-handed, when i dropped it, had picked it up with my left hand and started drawing, had never tried to draw left-handed……the instructor, who we knew, stopped class to compare the drawings of right and left…….then came the conumdrum of which hand to use for what thing……i finally got it down, right is linear, left is loose…….
still have the drawings, and it still blows my mind to see them side by side, same person, totally different drawings…….
I’ve achieved flow in a couple of places. Through my youth it’s always been when reading a good book, and i get the total concentration needed for it. It still happens when i’m not thinking about it and i’m REALLY enjoying something i read for the joy of it. Singing in choir gave me that joy too. Practice went too fast some days, because of it.
The other is when i’m working. The jobs that i like best, i start to forget the time. Especially now in this pharmacy technician position. On the busiest days i’m so busy multitasking and keeping things on the go, the time just literally flies. I learned it from the ground up, as in i had to master the basics over the course of a few years then i added it all together into what i know how, and i have to keep learning in order to keep that position. It’s literally required in the profession with the continuing education.
I’ve taken tai-chi (and will again) and that made me fall into that moving meditation once i got far enough to where i could go for a half hour on my own going through most of the movements i’d learned. Meditation wasn’t alien to me at that time, but that art made it easy to fall into that familiar state.
I like learning and i seem to be able to add new skills on at will. I’m not sure if it’s a sign of just plain high intelligence or what, but i’ve had that sheer resilience and adaptability since childhood. It’s ingrained.
Great post, and a neat insight to the way many learn!
Years ago I took a “ki” class. It was fascinating. There were two teachers. An older man and a drop dead handsome man. I did great when it was the older man’s turn to conduct class, but with the younger handsome guy, I kept losing my focus (was self conscious and distracted finding him so attractive) and it was really embarrassing and I couldn’t confess why I kept losing my “ki”! But boy … that “ki” just slid away!
my friends would argue lefties die young because we’re ass holes
here’s another interesting factoid;
lefties have an advantage in tennis and most sports (not golf or hai lai) because most people face very few lefties in competition
the amazing thing is lefties have as hard a time against other lefties as righties have
interesting
in bowling lefties used to enjoy a “court advantage”, the boards were worn out for righties and not for lefties
however now with the new technology the boars are pretty uniform
hmmmm. Have you tried letting ki focus you?
I achieve it when I fish.
wild boars?
How great is that.
Sometimes I do abstract art with my eyes closed. Sometimes with my left hand. It has this strong, primitive quality. But I have this guilty, getting away with something feeling, like I am cheating. But am not. Hmmmm. But would keep that OUR little secret if I ever decided to sell my art! Ha!
Heh, novel concept…! *g*
typo
I meant the boards on a bowling lane are more worn for righties then lefties giving lefties a profound advantage in days past
thank you for the interview, Raven. I liked it. One of the reasons we chose Waldorf education for our kids was the focus on hand work (knitting, gardening, woodworking, as well as arts…) Hands on is so important. (Ironically my very hands-on hubby and hands-on me have kid whose learning problem is in just this area. She HATES spatial stuff and most hand-tasks….But she can write her way round both of us….
Thanks for flagging your post. I checked in too early today. Did you happen to see Helena Cobban’s piece on SOFA today?
would be great to see those pictures, if you ever post them on the internet please to referance and allow me to view, would make my day
By the way, i AM a leftie too. But i’ve adapted enough to the point where i can do some activities with my right hand. Using scissors or a mouse, for one. A necessity for anyone nowadays. I do think that’s a factor in my adaptability since i’ve had to do that since i could remember. Adapting IS a way of life for lefties, but the way of thinking is so much. *grin*
Amazing how that happens. I have a couple of friends that are potters, real dirt hippies and their daughter married a state trooper. My other pal, a prof who got his teeth knocked out by the cops in a Kent State riot has a son that graduated from college and joined the army and is a grunt!
but when did you find out scissors were right handed?
I didn’t find out until far too late
I loved reading this so much that it feels like I read it in 2 seconds ;-))
Wonderful and wise.
I’m no genius, but my best days always feel ‘5 minutes long’.
Anyone fortunate enough to love what they do is truly blessed.
FYI: For ‘flow’ and tai chi, you might enjoy “The Mindful Brain” by D. Siegel.
thanks for an interesting post and dialogue. Have a good one.
Who was the author who wrote, “I am sorry I didn’t have the time to send you a shorter letter.” I know what he means.
Heh, Helena nails it! Thanks, I’ve bookmarked her…! ;-)
Around 3 or four, i think. I couldn’t always get ahold of the left-handed scissors quickly in my grade school classes after i started school so i got good at switching hands to use them with the right. The hand isn’t as good with exact cuts, but it serves for just about everything i need to do with that simple tool. Mousing with the right i don’t even think about, i just do.
I am a radical leftist myself. Rifles, power tools, all right-handed, even the advertising on ball point pens is upside down if you hold it in the left hand. No wonder we are smarter (lefties are 1 out of 10 in the general population, 1 out of 3 in National Merit Finalists)than righties in general. We have to be in order to live in their world.
I have used a similiar concept of levels of complexity. The riflemen’s job is simple, run from this rock to that one, then shoot downrange while your teammates do the same. The junior officers job is complex, Coordinate rations, signals, flanks, transport, support and so forth. The general looks at a map with cigar stub clenched in fingers and stabs a forefinger at a hill and says “we take this one, we’re done” You don’t see the thousands of possibilities and necessities and tasks chasing each other in his mind, so it looks simple.
IIRC, Edwards (and others) also attribute the better ‘upside-down’ version to the fact that we have to concentrate harder on things that are unfamiliar or puzzling. (Thinks like the Plame Leak fit that category, also.)
The focused attention translates to more careful, better performance.
Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain is such a great book!
Actually, it’s not the junior officers job, it’s either the platoon sgt’s or the 1Sgt’s job… Beans and bullets…! ;-)
one of my favorite tv shows while growing up
that and branded…what was his name???..chuck connors I believe
Thanks Perris. I didn’t know that.
Your public library may also have it on CD Rom if that’s easier for you. It’s available online as a CD; it’s a time-saver!
one of the most enjoyable reads you will have
I try not to let facts get in the way of a good metaphor.
In the category or scissors. Very few people are taught to put their correct fingers in the grips. Look the next time you get a hair cut. I learned correctly when I learned dog grooming as an adult.
As a twenty-year Non-Com, I need to defend the ‘Backbone of the Army’…! ;-)
genius is the ability to distill this post down to the words “Genius is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration”
Agree that lefties have an advantage in tennis.
As a right-handed person, I always get fooled by their racket moves; just snookered. Arghh!
a teaser from the link I posted above
I must say, Paul, that Hillary was very gracious in ’suspending’ her campaign this morning…! ;-)
we have an advantage in every head to head competition however we have the same disadvantage against other lefties
my herbs hate you right now ian……..i can speak for them, i hear them screaming…..
perris, my mom is left-handed, and my brother was, that’s why she thought i was just ’mimicking’ them and she made me be right-handed, ended up i was both…..she’s a teacher, freaked her out……
she uses scissors ’upside down’…….
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my favorite ’art’ book, though it is much more…the art spirit by robert henri…..am posting the link with the page of other things, too, for those of you who mentioned exploring…..
…..my friend jane gave it to me and inscribed it with ’thank you for sharing your art spirit with me’…her cousin who is a painter and owns a gallery in pittsburg gave it to her……
one of my ’bestest’ favorite books, is observations about painting and life……it is so dogeared and written-in and corners folded, i love that book…….yes, i am a corner-folder, and write all over margins, that’s why i buy them……
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb…..&y=14
and you guys talking about hands-on arts, well, i learned something cool the other day…….
when you ’tap’ or use your fingertips, you release substance p, which among other things releases lactic acid from your muscles, when you have fibromyalgia or anything like that, lactic acid is locked up in your muscle cells…..so, using your fingers releases this…….does all kinds of things for others, too…….so, hobbies have more than just a mental use, is a real physical reaction taking place that is beneficial, and necessary……cool.
and yes perris, i will someday, or if you get to ohio, you can see them, is weird as hell……
did you know it is against the rules to play hai lai left handed?
true
Please forgive me if I don’t feel overly sorry for you ;-))))))
You have quite the advantage over me (!)
;-))
don’t tempt me. Dissenting from accepted wisdom has already relegated me to moderator hell! ;)
Just have to take a stab at “Externalization of costs in the food industry….”
Would this relate to reducing cost in food production, ths making poor practices a public health problem?
would you email them?
zedunofitzeroo at yahoo dot com
This is what I think of when I assure people that they can draw, if they can drive a car. For years I admired people who knew how to drive; how hard it must be! And they seemed so effortless about it. Then I learned finally, pretty late in life.
Imagine not knowing how to steer.
You tense up, you jiggle the steering wheel, you look up at the road and worry.
My younger son did this. I told him to look at the telephone pole. We drifted near it. “Whoa!”
I said, “Look where you want to go, and you will automatically steer there.”
Or as Sun Tzu said, “Attention is Destiny.” :->
Perris: Yes magazine looks VERY interesting. I’ve bookmarked it. Thank you.
dmac: Art Spirit is one of my most favorite books. (Right up there with Langer’s Philosophy in a New Key).
I took a fencing class once. Kicked ass against everybody. Then I went up against the other lefty. Neither of us could figure out how to make it work.
Paul – your comments appear in public. Try a hard-refresh if they are not visible to you.
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here’s an interesting factoid as well;
lefties have a harder time against lefties then righies do!
if I am in a park of 50 there is at the most one other lefty, everyone else has a 1 in 25 chance of playing a lefty and getting experience
I have a 1 in 50 chance
interesting
see my 148
I came across some interesting information about auditory processing and handedness some years ago. Then I saw a photo in TIME of Barak Obama, a ‘lefty upside-downie’ writing on a sheet of paper.
I thought, “Aha! His brain’s quite likely wired for rhetoric!” And for many other things, as well.
(I’ve enjoyed the concentration that a good game of tennis requires. Very relaxing…)
Perish the thought! I thought it was a great speech…! 8-)
tennis is one of the few sports where a smart player will usually beat a more talented player
thanks. apparently something is off at somebody’s end, because usually my comments show up right away, but today it doesn’t… and when I refresh I get a “your comment is awaiting moderation” message, then when I refresh again it come up without that message.
weird.
Heavens! I still look forward to the novelty of that experience!
However, in keeping with Ian’s notions of ‘going slowly to build mastery,’ I did at one point go ‘play down’ in order to go at a slower pace and master technique. I’ll never be a top player, but the experience of ‘playing down’ to get more practice was invaluable. The best players that I’ve seen have beautifully fluid swings. I think they must also have ‘flow’.
Dr. Murphy is upstairs!
Four More Years Of Depravity At DOJ: American Lawyer’s OK With It
this is really true — and one point that i think that should be made relevant to this is that you can read XXX and get something out of it, then learn more about the same subject, go back and read XXX again, and get a whole lot more out of it.
Mahalo, LM! I was about to mention that…! 8-)
All self-promotion aside, I think the big difference is this. Most righties are purely righties. Most lefties (two points to anyone who knows the origin of “southpaw”) are at least partly ambidextrous. I kick right, surf goofy-footed, shoot a pistol either, a rifle left, etc.
This means that neither hemisphere is dominant and both get exercised a lot more than a righties off hand.
Aye, very much true. I often read the same book multiple times, coming back to it over the years and finding things I had missed the first time.
Nice post, Ian. Now I can appreciate how you can speak with authority on so many subjects!
I like your post too, CTuttle.
I think this is right. I read music pretty well, and when we learn a new opera, we read and sing slowly, and as we get the feel of the music, we sing it faster and faster until we are above actual tempo. Then when the conductor arrives, we adjust to the actual tempo we will be using. When we start staging, we do the same thing, move slowly, singing as we go, then faster. Then we add costumes and the actual set, and wigs and makeup, each time we have to relearn the way to coordinate all of those things. But it gets easier after the first 30 operas.
Hillary, your fav candidate, did you pround today. Her “flow” was amazing as she hit every point on time and pitch. I was grateful for that note for unity. In politics their is ‘genius’ of the moment she had that today. It was amazing to watch.
On to the Impeachment and clean the House before more legislation. That will help deliver Obama into the White House. He will get a landslide and the Red states will be purple or blue.
The “collective intelligence” of humanity will start to be released as it has been so surpressed by Chimp and Shooter. Nice post friend. Love to around intelligent folks.
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Interesting to get your take on Hillary.
On the topic of ‘collective intelligence’ (a term you may want to Google if you’ve not already), this may be of interest to you:
http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780596529321/
Well, heaven knows the squirrels have been “squirrelly” lately… I’ve got all sorts of weird little things that happen at work where I’m stuck with IE.
Well, I’m pretty much completely right hand dominant, except I chop wood and shoot a rifle left-handed. If I tried to chop wood right-handed I’d cut my foot off…
same exact thing for auto cross, (local courses for day cars to act like race drivers)
reader at 154–my dad told me to never ever play with someone below my level when playing tennis……yes, perris is right, a smarter player can beat a more talented physical player, that is equivalent in tennis, but never play lower, unless you are giving lessons…….so, i would play with friends that weren’t at my level, but it was of a teaching tone, so, i was focused on specifics…if i did play lessor, then they were someone up and coming, with a better serve, or net game or baseline than mine, they had to have something that challenged me as a player…when you play with a lessor player, your instinctive strategy goes to shit…….and so does your game.
otherwise just use the ball machine or the backboard or do serves over and over and practice by yourself.
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ian and paul, i read stuff over all the time…….we process at the level we understand, we absorb according what we are learning and feeling at the time, so, when we pick something of multiple layers up again we learn the other parts…..
learning is perception based…….our perception changes according to many influences.
that’s how people can pick up the bible or other religious texts over and over all through their years and still learn from it, only thing is, people don’t realize how many other books do the same thing cuz that’s the only one they kept going back to…….
tale of two cities is my favorite to do that with……my sister just gave me to kill a mockingbird to read again, i can’t wait to see what it feels like to read it now that i am grown……..i remember what it felt like to read it when i was still young…….it made me feel raw.
Thank you Ian.
Lots to re-read to see how it affects our own situation. But, basically, I see so many familiar themes running through your post that affect family and friends for us.
Rearing one in an early category of yours inspired/required me to be a stay-at-home mom with a MS in Ethology/Biology re-applied to providing food for the table. I have never been sorry. It’s usually a difficult trip for a kid growing up and coping with public schools’ newness to their own recognition of responsibility to these sometimes-fragile kids. But we were lucky. The teachers were very wise. He’s incredible. He’s loving. He’s “an intellectual sponge” according to one who knows him well. And, with mostly capable, sometimes noble and absolutely wonderful treatment in good public schools, he came out the other end a happy, incredibly productive and personable adult. We love him. His business associates revere him for his [mostly self-taught!] prowess in computer etc. communications tech., as well as his amazing ability and to tutor others and help them work through their problems with complex systems.
Our 2nd child is a gifted musician, who made the career decision in high school and never looked back. I have no doubt some major symphony orchestra will eventually be proud to have him grace their ranks. In the mean time, with BA and MA from the most prestigious sources, he is principal (1st chair) in 2 fine part-time professional orchestras, plus subbing regularly in others, and free-lancing. He copes with what most would consider a frantic life-style, yet with incredible discipline, and earning great kudos from employers, audiences, reviewers and conductors on a regular basis.
Why do I drone on about our own situation?
Because the 1st son, working for a highly productive and successful “arm” of a communications company which was just bought out by bigger fish, has no idea what that buy-out will mean for his career, much less his life.
Because the 2nd one, while receiving rave reviews every time he plays (because of the many solo parts required by his position attract much attention whenever he plays), nevertheless has to pay all of his own expenses every time he auditions for a major, full-time position, even though he works at poverty wages and needs a service-industry job in order to get any reasonable health insurance coverage, or just replenish his music equipment, much less put a little food on the table.
I apologize for stretching the limits of this thread, but these experiences close to our own home, plus many other we are aware of, convince us that our country is not only headed for trouble. It’s already there.
Example: An outgrowth of the current fuel price increases have led schools all across our state and others to cancel all field trips, because their fuel budgets have suddenly exploded by 40% plus. That knocks out the music outreach programs, the sports, the scholastic competitions in one blow.
The USA will NOT be measuring up well with the rest of the world in education, in the arts, in health care, in ANYTHING at this rate.
We and our chidren will simply be picking up the bills for Dubya’s folly.
Sonny’s chamber orchestra played Haydn’s “Farewell Symphony” last night at an informal concert. It’s supposed to be amusing, as the performance was designed to have the musicians all eventually leave the stage, one by one, slowly but deliberately during the last movement, in protest to the Duke who had hired them not thinking of their needs but only his own pleasure – a rather pointed bit of snark by Haydn. Most of our fellow audience members chuckled, because the performance went off without a hitch, and was suitably effective.
For me, it was tears. It was too symbolic to be funny.
We’re in trouble, folks, if we don’t train, and then nurture, those who are expect to and should serve at home to help keep this country as great as it should be.
I didn’t know about ‘flow’, but it makes sense. I look at articles I published even just 10 years ago, and I say to myself, did I do this? When I am writing for work (as opposed to here) time stops. Connections are made in my head that come only in the heat of composition. It’s exhausting. When I’ve put together 40 or 50 typescript pages I have to break for a weak. It’s very intense, and is probably why I’ve only done articles, not books.
Flow?
Whoa.
Dude!
Speaking of genius: In 1977 I was working at Yale, and I shared my office with a young economist from MIT named Paul Krugman. I was 35 and he was I think about 24. I had a dozen years of economics under my belt. We started talking and I couldn’t help thinking, this man is like Mozart. He’s a natural. He has that uncanny ability, which I lack, to move across different levels of aggregation seamlessly. He does things without effort that I can do only with huge effort. It is marvelous to come into contact with people like that. We all have our own individual talents. Every now and then we come across someone — my teacher James Tobin was like that — who break the scale.
Ian, another brilliant contribution. Bravo!
I think Mother Nature did a brilliant job of creating two complementary arrangements,
it’s almost like a tapestry — with Specialists forming the long threads and Generalists
forming the interwoven cross-threads.
As a Generalist, I can say that flow has meant following the threads across
several disciplines. One of the most important insights I have to offer from my experience
is that cross-threading has just meant recognizing overlapping constructs, i.e., what
is called x in one discipline is called y in another, and given somewhat different context.
I think that’s why Generalists make good translators, nature’s cross-pollinators, if you will.
As I have seen several of my specialist colleagues “drill down” and make discoveries, so too, have
my peers in cross-pollinating emerged with novel ideas, like a good Fusion cuisine.
I’ll go out on a limb and say that in the past, I have been given that gawd-awful diagnosis
of ADD, Not Otherwise Specified. I just wanted to tell my specialist practitioner that she
had taken the glass-half-full view of an otherwise perfectly normal, not to mention
integratively complex, Generalist. Shame our school curricula haven’t caught up with
the notion, much less the predominant models for what is considered legitimate careering.
In a different time (perhaps one to which we will cycle back around), Renaissance folks had
a readily recognized and welcomed place in a culture, much as the body of work by someone
like Joseph Campbell is recognized outright for the value that it holds. I saw a quote recently,
about modern times, that “the world needs more dilettantes.” I just find this so true on so
many levels. Ten years in one discipline is valuable, to be sure, just as the Generalist,
with 10 years of focused sampling (and what I call “conceptual roll-up”) has a unique
perspective as well.
It is my hope, as expressed by Adie @ 168, that we will find a way to honor both styles
and their respective opportunities for genius, as fueled by passion, innate ability and the
experience of flow.
Thanks again for your thoughtful, complexly integrated piece!
You are so right about the challenge of finding the right words ;)
Ooh, cool post. I’m a (onetime) genius-IQ generalist (these measures change with age and I haven’t been tested in over twenty years) and your post inspires two comments.
First, genius and specialism vs. generalism are important distinctions, but the generalist is more than just distracted by “bright sparkly objects in other fields.” The generalist is the mortar who can help bind together discrete disciplines.
In my own field, one of the major restrictions on successful business management is an artificial cultural gap between business management and information technology operations. After decades of effort incorporating IT into business, management still doesn’t understand enough of IT to use it correctly, and IT doesn’t understand enough about business to facilitate it optimally. A business/IT generalist such as myself is needed to bridge the gap. And it’s an important gap – most businesses still handle IT as a cost center, when for many businesses IT has become an important profit center. If IT is the engine of your business, and yet your business and IT personnel don’t understand each other, you can see that this might result in non-optimal business outcomes.
So generalism is important, in many ways of which this is just one example.
Second, there are other dimensions against which to measure individual cognition, one of which is Myers-Briggs style personality indicators. Genius is going to manifest considerably differently between different personality types (whichever set of flavors you prefer in your evaluative methods). Just as understanding the characteristics of value between specialists and generalists is important, so is it important to understand how an ESTP might interact with an INFP in a creative collaboration. I’m not endorsing MBTI or any particular categorization type, I’m only saying that however you slice it the personality of the individual will shape their interactions with other personalities. So to extend it further, a specialist ESTP working with a generalist INFP might be expected to have a different degree of success than any other pairing of different personality types.
So if as a culture we are interested in encouraging genius, creativity, and productivity, then it would behoove us to better understand the roles and characteristics of the different ways in which these phenomena manifest and interact.
and ian, ou has a ’create your own major’……i thought of going back to school under that major, to study my theory that every different ’major’ once delved into, has the same template, process, just different language……..that you can break down each aspect of what albatross and ncopernicus mention and if broken down is the same pattern and template.
each area of study, to look into it and diagram it……would be the same structure…..
oh well, would have to do it in order for it to make sense here……..
then i would tie it into the ’energy cannot be created or destroyed’ theory…….all the same thing, same flow, same structure, just different language…….
occurred to me because i am surrounded by people from different modalities, yet i can follow all of them without knowing the specifics of what they know, and they let me, and encourage it, and talk specifics even though i don’t know shit about their field, then one day i realized why……the lingo is different, may not be able to follow all of the lingo and have to have it explained at different points, but the structure-it’s all the same…….
there is no way to understand all of that without it having a common structure…..
like laying down an overhead projector graph over all of it, would fit. i wanted to go back to school to prove that.
so, things are more alike than they are different. that’s what people miss in all of the lingo.
ok, this was the one thread in a million i could express that, done now, thanks ian.
and knut, now i know why i paid attention to you.
Yeah, I often look at stuff I wrote and think “I didn’t write this.”
Yes, you can work Myers-Briggs (which, actually, I’m a fan off) into this sort of stuff. What sort of activity produces flow is very different for different sorts of people, and to make flow into life requires aligning activity with values, and values are very different for different personality types as are the forms of the activities they enjoy (more the forms than the activities themselves, with some exceptions. An NT can enjoy sports as much as an SP, but does so in different ways and for different reasons.)
Lovely thread.
I often look at at stuff I wrote and think, “What idiot wrote this?” ;-)
Attention is Destiny. Thanks for that one.
Another one: Energy follows attention.
Lost in the concentration makes us acutely “present” and ripe for stretching our capacity!