But it has always been this way, even in the darkest days of the Bushite Ascendancy, those awful years of 2001-2005 when the conventional wisdom was nothing but madness. Back then you could say anything in America, no matter how crazy, and it would be true and would have to be believed. But the thing is, it was still, you know, crazy.
This presented a problem for conservatives, because they were saying things that were on their face ridiculous by any objective standard, but which they themselves took deadly seriously and which they fully expected others to take seriously also. The issue was — and to a large degree still is — how to talk absolute batshit goofy crap and still come across as not, well, insane.
So how did they solve this dilemma? Oooh go see… Well, first, through the simple expedient of not saying "fuck."
But then they also try something else. They do this. Here are some examples of things that they say. See if you can spot the problems with this approach. Here, let us quiz you!
One.
Patriotic indignation should swell against this oppression. Under its influence, the public mind of the Republic may have no compass over the character, the origins, the antiquity, the variations and predecents, of the war being made against us. Friends, it is an oppression — a crippling and dangerous one. We invent new euphemisms to conceal the facts virtually every day; we invent them because, as Chesterton aptly put it, short words startle us while long words sooth us. Sen. John McCain, for instance, is said to be a hawk on the war on terror. For him the enemy is a comically redundant string of emotional descriptors: “radical Islamic extremism.” My personal favorite is the talent of our sheepish writers for piling on suffixes. The enemy becomes “Islamicism”; whatever is necessary to rhetorically distance him from the Islamic religion as such. The purpose of these lengthy phrases is not to properly identify and understand the enemy; it is to sooth the distressed conscience of Liberalism.
Two. (H/t Righteous Bubba.)
Jeff Martin (Maximos) insouciantly repudiates the immoral swindle of consent, according to which he owes some measure of loyalty to the liberal political and social regime under which he has lived, offering him, as it has, the shelter of its laws. He finds that this swindle is an obstacle to his self-actualization as a reactionary, and the actualization of the self is what the liberal bargain claims to be about, is it not?
He accounts himself unworthy of the company in which he finds himself, and the of domestic felicities which he enjoys with his wife and two young sons. He is a lifelong resident of the greater Philadelphia area, and a fan of the local sports franchises, which may account for his affinity for lost and futile causes. He attended Cedarville College (now a University!), from which he earned a BA in philosophy, and would even have graduated summa cum laude had his alma mater believed in the Latin language.
He believes that, however good things may be today, they were surely better yesterday, and takes solace in the fact that, however bad things may seem for the traditionalist at present, they could always be worse. Nevertheless, mindful of the fact that no cause is ever truly lost because none is ever truly won, he holds forth the hope that, as the passional aspect of human nature must be held in subjection by the rational, so also may the liberal tendency one day be governed to its proper measure by the traditional, the historical principle of reason.
They make like their 18th century wigs are powdered in the finest cocaine, that’s what.



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Thers, Aloha!
crap?
Thers!
quick on the draw there, CTut…
No way, three zeds in a row…! A hat trick! 8-)
reading the post, i would say the proper response is
unless, of course, one is wearing their 18th century wigs … powdered in the finest cocaine
ct tripled – and in a good way!
Somebody’s been into the good stuff in the property room!
swearzies – last line in thers’ post
you’re still upset about missing the “fuck thread”, huh?
I bet Thers would give you a personal do-over if ya asked him nicely, and you could have all the “fucks” to yourself!
oh, that didn’t come out right…
Anyone see the new MoDo yet?
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06…..ef=opinion
Her column sounds misogynist to me.
Well, I never!
then your wedding night is gonna be full of surprises teddy
The second passage Thers has above is from a person who believes we are in the 10th Crusade. Zealousness doesn’t even begin to describe what is going on with person. He is in a different century.
I wish I hadn’t clicked. Reminded me part way through why I quit.
Thers, I’m wondering if people aren’t starting to THINK again.
I like the first one best – us libs are oppressing all those poor Rethugs with our ‘war on Christmas’ and wanting to talk to the ‘Islamunofascists’.
Modo closed it out right…
dugg
Hillary’s biggest mistake was trying to run her husband’s campaign. She should have taken a page from Obama and designed and run her own. She is not Bill. She is not any other previous candidate for President. She is a woman and should have run her campaign in her own style.
Perhaps. But of the 3 (Bill, Barack and Hillary), she is the least politically skilled.
A tremendous Senator and massive policy knowledge, she had to be taught how to connect. Bill & Barack – in their blood.
Remember, Al Gore was wildly criticized for not using the Clinton magic political touch.
Heh, unbeknownst to most, Jenna(Bush) and Henry honeymooned on the isle of Lanai…!
ma vida de loca
[dugg]
it was almost as if she was sabotaged from within the campaign – yeah, i know that is a tinfoil thought but so many things were so poorly handled
Evening, Thers. Dear jumpin jeebus on a pogo stick, I do believe these boys have been hitting the crack pipe and the crank a bit too hard lately.
That is a sorry review from someone who is epecting a leader.
lol @ epecting
expecting
Not on the Right. It’s against the rules, don’t you know.
is why the r’s are hand in hand with big pharma – discounts, dood
may the road rise up to greet ya
I don’t think we will ever know who picked her staff – would you want your name mentioned as campaign coordinator of that bunch – but I’m betting it wasn’t Bill. He still has mad skills and, although a bit tired, he can smell them a mile off.
Oh gawd. I once was innocently at work and learned that Cheney was 10 miles away on Camp Pendleton. Gave me the absolute creeps. It’s one thing for these criminals to be all the way across the country, quite different to have them nearby. How have you east coasters endured?
right
I often thought Bill subconsciously didn’t want her to be prez.
sorry – ct’s lanai honeymoon comment reminded me to stock up on brain bleach and i decided to double the usual order
Heh, I’m due west of ya Loo Hoo, in Hawaii…! ;-)
Oops, I thought it was Saturday nite!
Talk about beating a dead horse.
You guys sure know how to have a fun time.
I just might have to go read or somethin’. :)
Hey, I think it’s perfectly OK to say “fuck” too.
girls just wanna have fun
Have they “graced” your isles?
,nother great fuckin’ job, Thers.
“ovement conservatives”?? That expression…… I’ve heard it before….. It always reminds me of taking a dump. Conjures up odd mental images. You think Wolfowitz combing his hair with spit was gross??? How ’bout wipin’ his ass with his hand??? That damn movement.
Is this late night???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm9W4Ts-tw0
Here’s some more AP fuckery…
Now, that’s what I’m talking about! Thank you Suzanne.
Did I ever tell you about the time I met her on the set of The Goonies?
I’m teasing ya, ’cause I use to do that name dropping thing, but I did. It was on the ship, in this huge ass soundstage with water and everything. Anyway, you guys can talk about anything you want. Really. Don’t mind me.
Not the Big Isle, that I’m aware of…! ;-)
I could hardly believe how batty some unhinged folks got, these last few years.
It was highly entertaining and at the same time maddening as hell.
turn it on turn it up
yeah, but was it peeneers or vags, that makes a world of diff w/ the fundies!
Yeah he was. But the more important point is that even if he had tried – he is NOT Bill Clinton either. As newtonusr said – it’s in the blood.
Hillary did much better towards the end of her campaign after she got rid of Mark Penn, and Bill seemed to calm down bit except for the Vanity Fair thing – but that was about him, not her. Rather than surround herself with male, Bill-flacks, she should have looked for the people who ran other good campaigns for women like Boxer and Pelosi. I know that running for POTUS isn’t quite the same as running for Senate or House – but between the bunch of them, I think she would have been better served.
the retraction came after it was picked up on the ap wire last night – i posted it last night and was forking pissed
reminds me of those forking pharmacists who refuse to dispense birth control or emergency contraception.
that’s fucking outrageous if a government office is getting legal advice from the shitheads at Aklliance Defense Fund! With public monies. If these 2 can’t/won’t do thier jobs they should quit or be canned.
DING!
I have a hard time feeling for domestic “troubles” when we have a foreign policy that treats civilians as combatants.
does FOX News still call them “homicide bombers.” I mean, it’s true enough, but kinda unnecessary, no? “Suicide bombers” works just fine.
Interestingly, even before the appellate ruling was decided, the various clerks were expressly warned not to pull that crap and to properly process all applicants… I’m sure somebody can find that link because it certainly exists…!
I have a hard time feeling for domestic “troubles” when we have a foreign policy that treats civilians as
combatantsfurniture.Better, IMO…
sure furniture, whaterver the fuck you toss out, no biggy.
Think are you kidding the school system, the courts etc the institutions are so corrupted Americans don’t think much about politics etc they wheedle their way. The MSN the entertainment jez Luise never accuse Americans of thinking we might have another bubble.
furniture needs to be regulated
Verrry Niiiiize.
Now, it feels like Saturday night.
* bites tongue *
Here’s the folks they feel they should be a marryin’, ’specially if’n the’s related, doncha know.
OMG – I preemptively surrender!! LOL!
LOL
I differ with you there–that’s one of my main concerns, keeping a woman’s right to choose safe here.
I grew up when abortion was not legal.
*blowing smoke off the keyboard*
Birds of a feather fuck.
Huh? Really?
Oh, I guess I better go now. I worked hard in my yard today, ’cause I care about it even when the whole rest of the world is suffering. I’m so selfish that way.
If no one wants to dance, I’ll just go read.
I still love you guys and all, but, still…
Nite nite Suz and all.
snort
hey spurious – how ya been
Night, demi.
g’nite demi
Aloha, demi!
Night Demi.
nite demi
ok, thx, * feel better now * ;)
Peaceful dreams to you, Loo — oh, and by the way, I didn’t use the hankie this morning. T’wasn’t like that. Too much work to do…and not my yard, I mean Us as a Nation. :)
Later, babe.
I’m sure a bullet in the head would be much healthier.
Oh, those wingnuts. They spend way too much time studying the hippies who are studying reality based reality. They are an empire now and they create their new realities, and guess what?
Their candidate of choice for the Massachusetts Senate race, Jim Ogonowski will have lots of time to study stuff. He got 9970 signatures to qualify for the ballot. But that is 30 signatures less than needed. So sad.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/cq/200…..ics2890931
Things look they are getting better but they are worse now for more people than since the depression. And it will get worse before it gets better. 50 million Americans in poverty folks is that OK? Jus sating Jus Cogens. That’s in the richest country in the world it goes downhill fast in the 3rd world nations.
i gotta run, too. nite everybody. great speech by hillarty, i thought. (better late than never). I feel better about this election every day. I have a feeling McCain just can’t keep up. By election day he’s gonna be all stooped over and shuffling. He wasnts 10 town hall meetin gs? They should do 10 in like 12 days in 10 different cvities all over the country. Really wear down gran’pa’s ass. an’ no sharin’ planes. that’s bullshit. get a ride in fred’s red pickup, gran’pa.
from the first of the inane quotes above:
I believe the word “friends” and the rethug usage of such has been co-opted from us DFHs and I am bitter about it.
(I actually gag when I hear McBush say it… another example of Luntzian Americanish.)
PS…when I say my prayers at night, I list you guys…I thank God that Katymine is feeling healthier and I thank her for inspiring Loo Hoo to be a great teacher and I ask for someone to please buy Suzanne’s house and, well, I just list you all. I do. Call me a sap, but that’s just the way it is.
A well-placed hard refresh would clear up the comment duplicate problem.
sap.
g’nite bfl
Night bfl.
i couldn’t resist, ya know?
Thank you. That’s extremely kind.
fdl is more than a blog – it is community and family
:)
Aloha, bfl!
sister sledge
No. But we who can get pregnant here at home are at risk of dying from pregnancy-related problems. Women also get beaten up a lot more when pregnant. I worked in an OB-GYN office, I had a friend die in childbirth, etc. I am not going to stop caring about access to abortion and access to contraceptives whether we’re in a war or not.
Thers- are you about?
Thanks for the post. LOL.
I henceforth will be mindful that the capacious wordosity of the quotees is most assuredly (if I may be so bold as to proffer a conjurgation) an ecliptical endeavor, the sine qua non (or more correctly, the sine qui•bus non) therein being equally mirrored by a more earthy vestibulation, that being that they are total wankers.
A little cross cultural cosmological trivia. The “fire dogs” [ifa totka] are the servants of the sacred fire of the Creeks and Seminoles who come out to do the will of the fire (a powerful deity), punish malefactors, and protect the people of the town. It is said that sometimes, late at night, you can see them roaming the sacred plaza where the fire is burning.
Awesome !
Damn fucking straight, sister! (You read my mind.)
thers said he is grading some sorta thingie – me, i think he saw mary mc and i plotting last night and choose to make himself scarce – i think he thinks i’m still upset about the fuck thread while i was gone
I am not denying you the very very sad realities of our domestic policies. I was just trying to show it in light of our foreign policy.
Neither makes me proud.
way forking kewl dr dick
I hear you. Neither makes me proud either.
nothing done by this mal-administration makes me proud
I am holding good thought for a better world. A better climate a better non carbon fuel, housing for everyone not prisons, Good organic food for everyone, government based on fairness and kindness. Soften the hard harted hearts heal the sick and peace an joy. And good thoughts for Quaker Girl and Rdward Kennedy’s recovery. But I am not going to bed until I am worn out. The sleepy heads will find their way to the covers and get a good rest so they can get up and do it again tommorow. Demi, Margot, Wigwam Suz and Sargeant Tuttle and the rest of you and the Fishing Norse father and son… Wags from Blackjack who loves everyone no exception. Wobly off tonight?
The sacred fire is both a physical fire, which traditionally burned perpetually in the center of the sacred plaza at the center of each town, and the patron deity of the town, which bore its name. The fire acted as an intermediary between the people of the town and the Creator (Hisakita Imissi).
HUH???
there wouldn’t be a lake around would there?
hey suz – lurking lazily
Loo Hoo! – well, yeah, that was kinda the point! ;)
Not necesarily, though some towns were built along lakes (Mikasuki for instance) most were built along rivers. Lakes, along with springs, caves, and springs were believed to be entrances to the underworld and potential sources of power (as well as danger).
Hugs to you, bigbrother, bless your heart. Wobbs must be off tonight, I miss her. I like to picture you and your dog in your boat. Very peaceful.
been missing your voice spur – de-lurk more often
lots of analogies for fdl in that dr dick
I’m here. Even when I’m lurking.
http://www.sacbee.com/114/story/995632.html
don’t remember who posted this article……..about the clerks in california.
and margot and tw, this is the song that i thought of when i saw your comments……which by the time i post this you’ve probaly written more..i could talk about my friend annie who was made sterile by her back alley new york abortion, but i won’t , i have many more stories than that.
’before you were born’, toad the wet sprocket….i’ll try to find the lyrics. toad-unique fighter for women’s rights. artistically wrote about painful circumstance of women (and people). he shoulda gotten a medal for it, was when everyone else was silent about inner pain. he wasn’t, and said what to do with it, find joy in your life instead, but acknowledge things for what they are, embrace it all. he delved into deep pain. even had a song about rape. and what it does to people.
well, my youtube search has been going on over ten minutes, so, enterprising highspeed pups can find it on their own..
before you were born, toad the wet sprocket…
don’t forget ’all i want’ and ’ i will not take these things for granted’, which is my best friend’s 2nd favorite song. anyone who can listen to that song and be honest after is a friend of mine. i will not take these things for granted is one of the best songs ever written.
and walk on the ocean is always good for a certain time and space reflection….
i need highspeed.
well, the youtube search just came back, all covers, and can’t listen to them all….oh well….
toooooooooo funny, was wondering what the weird sounds in the background were, forgot i was downloading suz’s furniture sex on the roof, came in spits and spurts cuz of the dialup…….funny…….
i’m talking too much, like a tired little kid, time to go to bed.
thank you for sharing that and the rest of the history of some of the people who have suffered so and yet endure.
it’s a part of “our” history that we really never fully face or acknowledge.
thanks again ;)
besides, ya gotta stay up for my sat nite cartoon big brother
token says woof to blackjack
g’nite dmac
thanks suz – i’m here, but not as regularly as i would like
If it’s part of their job to perform weddings, I don’t think they have a choice, and the county needs to tell them to either do it or find another job. I heard the clerk in Kern County tried to quit just that one part of her duties, got told no, and that’s why she’s refusing all marriage ceremonies. (I think, though, that judges do it in a lot of counties.)
Nite dmac, I wish you and Audrey and several others had highspeed internet.
Coffes hot and sassy…let’s rock out the night!
camel walk
(I think, though, that judges do it in a lot of counties.)
I was made judge for a day, so that I could perform a marriage for a couple of friends of mine.
Just for one day though – and all my big plans for the day got squished by the *real* judge who signed the order, which made it *very* specific that the only power I had for that day was to perform the ceremony.
Should gone to a judge who didn’t know me, dammit.
i have to admit, the lil debbie lil debbie at the end makes me think of teddy and that woman from the wapoo
Judge for a day could be really fun, depending on the jurisdiction!
Way too many of the people who are in trouble now, voted for Bush, “because they could relate to him.” They deserve our sympathy, but they need to be confronted with Jane’s question: “How’s that been working you for you?”
I’m pretty sure that someone with a designation from an internet ‘church’ (Universal Life?) can perform a ceremony. At least I hope so, since I know several boy/girl couples who have married legally that way in California and in Oregon.
Night all. Take care and enjoy the company.
It’s been baffling to me to see this accepted as common knowledge this campaign season. In depth analysis of her time and Barack’s time in the Senate shows Barack accomplishing much more in 2 years than she has in 6 years. Plus, from anything I’ve heard from her on the stump or in debate, she never showed she was some sort of policy expert to me, especially since Barack’s plans on his Web site were much more detailed than her’s all along.
Anyway, Hillary’s done now and it’s time to make history this Fall!
I’d like to see that same question put to those that failed to vote.
Wm F Buckley Jr sincerely regrets he couldn’t join us this evening.
g’nite dr dick
Judge for a day could be really fun, depending on the jurisdiction!
yeah, that’s what I thought – had some “thoughts” about what I might spend the day doing, but like I said, I picked a judge to sign the order (which *he* wrote) who knew me a bit too well.
Curses!
Or Confronted with…Are you ready for change?
Hey Sunny!
GA politics. Sigh.
http://www.tondeestavern.com/s…..aryId=1655
And if we got those, we’d out-breed our ability to continue to provide them. [Malthus, paraphrased]
Mind explaining that there video to me?
got on pointy toed boots?
Exactly!
BTW, in 1980 I spoke to a (white) woman on welfare who voted for Reagan, because he’d get the “welfare queens” off the public dole and there’d be more money for people who really needed it, like her. [FWIW, her mom was a Marxist feminist.]
Considering Bill brought Dick Morris and Mark Penn (just two off the top of me head) to work in his White House in the 1990s, I don’t see Bill as a good judge of character. It wouldn’t surprise me if Bill had a alot to do with putting Team Hillary together.
unclaimed cartoon zed upstairs
I’m pretty sure that someone with a designation from an internet ‘church’ (Universal Life?) can perform a ceremony.
I wonder if ya still can do that?
I’d love to be The Reverend jayt!
Rat stabbers! Guinea fence climbers, as they used to be known by my Irish friends from New York.
Yeah Dr. Dick goodnight. By the way good explaining on the Spirit World lot to know like the Ian post on intelligence he left that out.
We hada Shaman come through and bless oue sweet springs with a ceremony that lasted two days with night sleep. Number one was purifying then the sunrise at the springs. We love Mother Earth what the Indudtrialist do the the Oceans has to stop.
My new favorite band (they’re old, but Hungarian and new to me)
Hobo Blues Band
I differentiate people who voted for Bush in 2000 vs those who voted for him again in 2004. The latter group is difficult to deal with now.
thanks, i’m still lurkin’ but fading fast………just wish i had high speed cuz i could offer more links quicker……
and ian’s thread tonight everyone should read–it was about different kinds of intellect and how they work and how they are MISUNDERSTOOD……..so, i came back, to try again…….all i know is, in my circles, i am the person least expected to harm anyone, from experience from lifelong relationships where i could have even under intense fire, and didn’t….i’ve already been tested in that area and passed with flying colors….and when i question something is not to drive a wedge but because i honestly have a question and have been holding it til i can’t anymore and am gonna bust, so, for the persons that slammed my ass a few weeks ago, on different occasions, repeatedly, i honestly had questions……..and although i will not offer them again, to even give it another chance took steel balls on my part……and i don’t want a compliment for that, i want them to know that what they did was asshole behavior and that they should have the balls to hold their fire and to not do it again to anyone else who does not own steel balls.
you know who you are. cut it out.
i feel better having said that.
nite.
On the shelf in the closet..grey snakeskin J Chislom
suz i just watched the furniture video, that was really funny.
filed it under ’special’ file.
i know video artists…….that’s something they would make.
that was really funny.
Hi VG. Sigh,indeed.
Dear Brother Kirk Murphy:
Wow, soooooooooooo glad to read this post! I have been self-exiled from the firedoglake listserv ever since you attacked me, a female union lawyer who attended Boalt Hall School of Law, who shares your Irish heritage and surname, and who has often railed on-line against John Yoo and those who think well-heeled “big firm” lawyers can be good allies to progressives. I actually agree with everything you say in this post, and might even try to figure out a way to forgive you for savaging me.
As I have a dear twin sister who is an “M.D.” who hates lawyers as much as you seem to, I have become accustomed to taking doctors’ opinions about lawyers with a *very* big grain of salt. Your opinion on this issue, as I said, is one I totally agree with. And this gives me hope that we progressives really can come together to back Barack Obama, and get rid of the Bushies, and might even be able to ensure that Obama does not pick corporate tools like Holder to uphold–er, reinstate–the Rule of Law in this country.
It’s time for all progressives–whether doctors, lawyers, butchers, bakers, indian chiefs, or sexists–to lay down our swords and come together to save this country.
I’ll try if you will.
M. Suzanne Murphy, Esq. (a/k/a “the Real MSM”)
I didn’t like it when Cheney used the f-word. I likely would prefer that my elected officials used a more appropriate vernacular in their positions to represent citizens and this country. Using such language is tantamount to giving up on the merits of one’s points in a debate, in my opinion. There simply are many better arguments to counter with than f-you!
Bush/Cheney are “corporate fucking fascists,” attached to corporate aristocratic energy interests at the hip Take the PC “Yuppy Horseshit” about the f-word and stick it. These murdering bastards are no better than Nazis albeit they have not imposed a “final solution” on the scale of Nazis in Iraq. Their action are consistent with the mindset of Nazis… invasion under the pretense of protection to secure access to natural resources!! Gleiwitz anyone???? Ask the people of Iraq who are occupied? Ask the residents of Sadr City if they feel Warsaw-ish???” America’s status quo denial is appalling. D-Day + 2 today! 10,000 Dead American on 5 beaches to defeat the dysfunctional Nazis. What is taking place in Iraq is fucking disgusting……