Not one of my usual link-rich posts. Be warned.
I’m going to turn this over to Gary Farber, from Amygdala
As for Clinton’s speech, what I have to say is this: it’s over. Obama won. It’s time now to come together, and unite the party to defeat John McCain and the Republicans in November.
I’d like to see us all focus on that, and avoid any actions or statements that would get in the way of that.
Senator Clinton moved off the stage last night, and that was her last moment to shine for her supporters. I don’t begrudge her in the least focusing on them then, and beginning the process of bringing them down and towards supporting Obama for president as gradually as she sees fit. Let her have her last night of sun, and let her supporters take all they can from it, which is little enough: remember, for them, last night was a crushing and horribly depressing moment. It was a loss. It was a recognition that for all those who aren’t in completely InsanityLand, it’s over.
That’s terribly hard to go through. It’s like a death in the family when you care that much. I know what it’s like to see your hopes and dreams disappear for years, decades, perhaps a lifetime, with a political loss.
And for so many people, and particularly so many women, this was yet another blow to women, and however we may want to debate the reality of the issues, and the statements, and their truth, and all those other things that matter to *us*, to so many women, all that matters is that yet again, victory was, as they see it, snatched from a woman, the patriarchy triumphed, and Wrong Was Done.
Let them down gently. Do your best to welcome them back. Help them through the Kubler Ross process.
We need everyone we can get to defeat McCain, and save lives around the planet, and help us turn America back towards the country we know it can be.
There’s time enough for Senator Clinton to formally endorse Obama, and to begin campaigning for him. Give it that time. Give time for the five stages of grief, which only began last night for all those supporters of Senator Clinton.
No matter that, yes, it was over by Texas and Pennslyvania: they didn’t see that, and that’s not their reality. We’re talking emotions, and hopes, and dreams, and the feelings of people who have felt kicked in this huge part of their identity all their life.
Telling them, or expecting them, to be all rational about it just isn’t reasonable, because people don’t work that way.
People have feelings. Let them have them.
This is the beginning of June. Give them a couple of weeks. Please. Put yourself in their shoes, and have some compassion for their human frailties.
It’s the right thing to do.
No matter all the logical arguments in the world. This isn’t about logic. And — irony that this is me saying it — it isn’t always about logic and rationality and what’s correct or true or objective.
Sometimes it’s about letting hurt people grieve in their own way, and being kind to them while they’re doing it.
Let’s all try to be our best possible selves about this? Okay?
Okay.
And to the people who will show up to complain about how selfish and wrong the Clinton supporters are, and how righteously we deserve to tell them to grow up, and behave better, and so on and so forth: just try putting a sock in it for a week or two, okay? Be a grownup yourself. Set an example. Make your mom, or loved one, proud of you.
Time to move on.
And here’s what I think.
I’ve seen an awful lot that I’m proud of this week. I’ve seen someone who was born in a time when he wouldn’t have been allowed to vote in a big chunk of the country elected nominee of his – all our – party, to a large extent due to the votes of people who wouldn’t have been allowed to vote in a big chunk of the country when he was born.
Back when it was illegal in some states for his parents to be married.
I’ve also seen a woman, who was classed with the insane in being denied the right to vote in the lifetimes of women who are still alive, fight down to the wire for that nomination, and step aside when she lost.
I’ve watched a record number of voters so moved by this contest that the primary votes in some states exceeded the votes in the previous election.
I’ve also seen some things I’d rather not have seen.
I’ve seen people on both sides, people I thought had learned something from the ugliness of the last twenty or so years, use really ugly, Rove-worthy attacks on the candidate they wanted to defeat. There was a lot of propelling of thoroughly cynical Republican memes against Democratic candidates by people who figured it served their purposes.
Some of them knew better. Some of them were carried away by enthusiasm. All of them were making things easier for the Republicans in the fall.
Here’s my personal prejudice: I want the Democratic candidate to win. The Republican candidate wants us to stay in a pointless war forever or so. He wants us to keep going with the same policies that have caused our economy and our international respect to plummet. He sided with our current embarassment on global warming. He wants to put judges on the Supreme Court – for life – who will return this country to the 1800s.
The Democratic candidate doesn’t want that. However you may parse his positions if he wasn’t your candidate, that’s not what he wants. Which means if we want the world to have a future, you have an obligation to vote for the Democratic candidate.
You also have an obligation not to discourage people from voting for the Democratic candidate.
Everybody, on all sides, has things they’ve seen during this campaign that really pissed us off. Without debating the balance of offence, to some extent all of us has cause.
Here’s the thing: there’s a candidate now.
The candidate has made it a centerpiece of his campaign that we have to move past whatever has gone on in the past and move forward together (fwiw, the other candidate has said roughly the same thing)
So, let it go. If this is the result you fought for, what you fought for was the chance to move forward together. If this wasn’t the result you fought for, what you fought for was a Democrat in the White House. If you fight this, that is what you’re fighting against.
There are a scant few (although, you know, loud) Democrats who are hoping that the pissing matches (so many hydrants, so little time) will keep going until everyone’s so pissed that McCain wins, because their candidate lost, or because they’re so determined to punish anyone who didn’t vote for their candidate. Who are compelled to weigh in on every conversation with indictments of the candidate they didn’t support and reasons not to vote for them.
There are more than a scant few in the Republican party who hope that we’re dumb enough to keep this internecine bloodletting going long enough for McCain to hand the Supreme Court over to the Republican party for the next fifty years.
So, every day there’s a story from the griefers in the press about how [candidate and/or candidate's supporters] did [something dreadful and offensive]
And some of us get played.
I hope, desperately, that the rest of us will be smart enough to look at the source, and who they’ve been trying to defeat for the last twenty-five years, and say Hey. I don’t think you’re reliable. No sale.
I would really hate it if millions of people died because President McCain decided to ignore global warming.
And nobody likes them. If we convince the country not to vote for us, it’ll be nobody’s fault but ours.
Just saying.
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Aloha, Julia!
boing boing
Julia!
Very thoughful Julia, thank you.
Hey, folks.
Sobering thoughts, Julia!
Evening, Julia.
Food for thought.
Pshaw, that’s not a dive, Suz…! ;-)
Nice America we have today:
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/…..-the-mail/
Spit. Okay, going to bed. Nite nite everyone. ;-)
Aloha, Kay!
g’nite kayinmaine
starting to think that the bulgarian has gotten to ct
Are you sure I’m not the Bulgarian…? ;-)
Last night we had a very nice Bulgarian waiter. So nice that we gave him a 10.
*scooting away from ct*
julia, i’m sending your post to me madre – who has finally agreed to stop sending me anti hrc emails … am hoping that your well articulated stance will help sway her.
after mom, then aunt mary and uncle jim
Julia, thanks for this great post!
Whassup with bulgarians?
I’m going out on a late Friday night limb to point out something.
One candidate….one human being alone…is not the changer….it is the belief of the masses, who believe in the message, that will change things.
It is the message and the actions and beliefs of the masses that is what is important.
Nothing can happen to the message unless the belief of the masses’ changes.
amen.
forking bulgarian dive judge always scores my dives lower than anyone else – and he wears white linen suits after labor day
tx, Suz and Kirk.
Um, Suz? Wedding?
Great post, Julia, thanks.
julia, pictures (including shoe p0rn) at my place – click on my name and scroll down – broke what i’ve gotten so far down into several posts. more pictures are coming (or so i’ve been told)
How true…! We also need to ensure that he does deliver the necessary change that he espouses…! Campaign rhetoric rarely evolves into actual legislation…
Mr. Gnome, who went to our state caucuses, told me the other day that there definitely were some guys there who were doing what Rush Limpballs told them to do. They were Hillary “supporters” but you could tell, not really. I would dearly have loved to see a woman presidential candidate. But I never thought Hillary was the right woman at this time. Too much baggage and too much ammo waiting in Karl’s trick bag, as lame as it is at this point.
Whassup with bulgarians?
As a general proposition, as diving judges, they wouldn’t know a good dive if it
bit ‘em in the buttsplashed all over their suits, or…They don’t like Suzanne.
I’m boycotting by hereby refusing to travel to Bulgaria. It’s a sacrifice, but team unity is called for…
Hey Julia, thanks for this post. A lot.
My late mother was 10 when the amendment was passed that gave women the right to vote.
Feet to the fire. No matter who it is.
thanks jayt for the solidarity :)
my parents drove me across town so that i went to a non-segregated school (algiers, la, in 1961/62) because the local elementary school was segregated
You lived in Algiers! aaaaaakkkk!
in a double barreled shotgun
Wasn’t Algiers the city that wouldn’t let New Orleanians across the river right after Katrina?
My nonna was really excited about voting. I guess it’s one of those privileged post-sixties things that I can’t quite imagine not having rights, voting or property or speech.
I really hope I can keep being able not to imagine them…
i thought it was a town north of no
i haven’t been there since 63
IIRC, they didn’t want the mass exodus of blacks that couldn’t evacuate early on…!
Hi!!!!!!!
just back from rehearsal dinner. Boring.
Won’t the whole country fall in love with Obama?
Aah, the naivete of youth…! Aloha, Cassie! 8-)
we had fun at jen’s rehearsal dinner (neener neener neener)
hey cass!
hi ct. Hi suzanne.
julia – i missed your cooking school for kids discussion last weekend – wasn’t it the weekend you got ‘ghetto food’? what did that turn out to be?
I think it was Gretna
Cass, is he gonna wear his Class A uniform or a tux?
That sounds right. Algiers is a very mixed place, IIRC.
more importantly – what is cass wearing?
Heh, from who’s perspective…? I got hitched in my Class A uniform…! 8-P
I have a very cool strapless dress! Big brother is wearing a tux.
the ghetto food parents had a previous engagement. We made jamaican curry and coconut rice with pigeon peas instead.
Which were lovely. I’d still like to know what the original parents had planned, but I enjoyed it. The only stumble was when I was telling them about italian sauces, and how they were named after who cooked them, like marinara and cacciatore, and I brought up puttanesca, which I wisht I hadn’t.
In happy school news, Her Majesty (who has been having a rough transition to middle school) is Student of the Month for Mandarin.
i didn’t realize the bulgarian navy had class a’s?
Kass, who’s rehearsal dinner? I’m sorry, I fall behind sometimes…
Julia, it is 11:45 pm and Hillary has neither stepped aside nor conceded yet!
Are you maid of honor?
crap
rut roh…. how did that foot taste (laughing)
woohoo! congrats to HM
what color strapless dress cass?
It is Cassie’s big brother, TexBetsy’s nephew, who is getting married.
Heh, Navy? Heck no….!
my brother is getting married tomorrow nite. He is already married with a judge but this time is at a church with everything fancy.
wicked laugh – gotcha ct
i know u are regular army but couldn’t resist
Oh dear. I make a mean puttanesca. Shall we rename it Gnometori or Plumenari?
like whorestyle.
I swear, the son of the woman who was teaching the class turned purple.
Should be great fun for your family! Hope the weather is perfect for the wedding.
Beter yet – Plumaria (for CT’s home state)
plumenari sounds like a lovely flower – i’d go wtih gnometori
maybe donna di piacere?
Nah. I’m good with puttanesca. As long as I don’t have to explain to any more sixteen year olds what it means.
Oh, hey, congratulations, Kassie. Best wishes to them both.
Did you see there is a lolcat today about nom de plume?
and a congratulations to TexBetsy as well…
“I make a mean puttanesca.”
Whips and/or chains?
at least they were 16 year olds and not 6 year olds
gotta go. No time to dive. Bye.
g’nite cass – bring back pictures of the wedding
gleep.
I try so hard to behave responsibly amongst our younger brethren…
Her Majesty, your daughter? Congratulations!
Yeah. Picture, Cassie?
dugg
i can’t believe an hour in and i’m the first one to digg this
Congrats to you all!!! Cuuuute!!!
No! I’ll have to go check it out!
lolcats nom de plume
g’nite Snarky, looks like I got here a little too late.
hahahaha
julia, what’s the theme for tomorrow’s class – or is saturday kid cooking school over?
Yeah, she was a forceful child. That got to be her nickname.
Such a pretty kitty, too! I have been looking for one just like that – a big ol’ Maine Coon. but I don’t want to pay the big bucks.
kebabs. I’m not sure why, because the parent involved isn’t from anywhere where they make kebabs.
But, hey. Kebabs!
Hey CTFPs, I heard on the weather channel it’s going to be blisteringly hot for the Belmont Stakes tomorrow.
86
BWA-HAHAHAHAHA1
Really. How much do they go for?
ctfp’s? what’s that wangdang?
Our little local… Central Texas Firepups.
Ok, Obama needs new theme music. The stuff he’s been using is getting stale. Personally, I think he should go with Bad Religion’s “Do What You Want.” But War’s “Low Rider” would also be perfect. And yes, Low Rider should be our new national anthem.
*light bulb glowing*
thanks
Connecticut FirePups?
a change will do ya good
My grandma had a Maine Coon for awhile, sweetest cat in the world. Probably the only cat I’ve ever encountered who actually loved having its belly rubbed. Coyotes got it though unfortunately.
I’m kind of partial to America the Beautiful.
: )
Ruh-roh, that’s going to cause confuzellness. *g*
Seeing as how Belmont’s in NY…
Roy Charles’ version.
I suppose Mahalia Jackson’s version would be too obscure, but have you heard it? Damn.
I’m kind of partial to Marvin Gaye’s “What’s Goin’ On”, myself. I bet Barack likes it too.
Hi everyone, have been lurking; things are kinda stressful lately.
Hey, stranger.
Gnome, I live with three kitties who are half-Maine Coons (and their domestic shorthair mom). The three are litter mates: two huge boys who look and act Maine Coon, and their DSH sister, who is tiny and vocal, but not Maine Coonish. I hope you find a way to live with such delightful creatures.
oh, that’s a good one ll
sending soothing zen thoughts your way
I haven’t heard Mahalia’s (whom I love). I’ll have to google it up.
Hope the stress leaves you soon, LL
Isn’t your job stressful enough…? Aloha, LL!
Julia, hi :-) And I meant to say that this is a very nice post, quite thoughtful.
((( Suz ))) thank you for the zen thoughts!
(((LoudounLib)))
Morphine’s “Super Sex” would be great too. It even mentions the President.
Dang. George Will admits to being agnostic right out loud!
Thanks Doc, me too!
Aloha CT!
((( Doodle ))) !
I’ve thought for a long time that the Allen Toussaint song Yes We Can Can fit so well with Obama’s campaign. I know this is not an original thought, and someone must have already approached Toussaint about it.
But did he admit to his stupidity?
Yep. Colbert had him pinned.
I can’t wait to see if the Goopers will attack!
LOVE Low Rider. Classic.
Julia;
How do you prevent the flood of frustated HRC suppporters from commiting to McSame in their anger?
I see Obama already opening the doors to them in his congratulatory remarks.
They see the Rules committee as their chance fo a deal and that is a misnomer as they wanted a win from it.
Whatever the differences in agendas Obama has to convince them they are better off with him than McSame. His team was looking far enough ahead to anticioate this as a part of his overall campaign.
Mahalia, Amazing Grace
the bomb, of course, is her His Eye is on the Sparrow, which is one of my favorite songs ever.
wangdang, you seen this wangdang?
My sister had a Maine Coon and my daughter has two right now. They are so naughty but magisterial at the same time. I also love long haired manxes. So whichever one shows up at the shelter first gets to come home with me.
Wangdang – yeah, what a bunch of wusses. 95 is a little warm. 100 is starting to get hot.
tx :)
The original’s great, their later version of it is just awful though. Really really really awful.
Like I try to prevent most people from doing things I’d rather they didn’t. By being kind to them.
Doesn’t always work, but you’d be amazed how it helps.
wangdangdoodle
I remember seeing them at the Armadillo World Headquarters. Four tall and lanky black gentlemen came through the front gate dressed in the appropriate drag chanting “Pointah Sistahs! Pointah Sistahs! Pointah Sistahs!”
It was a great night!
Thought I’d share the work of the local editorial cartoonist, Bruce MacKinnon, with you. It’s very on topic.
Never, as Colbert said, he was a formidable guest.
she also needs to convince her supporters that his dream is her dream
This is one of my all time faves…
Thanks Julia, they’re on the list. The songs are coming fast and furious! *g*
8–/–
NO! Thanks!
r-e-s-p-e-c-t
Heh, great minds. *g*
10-4 ossifer right on
LS? LS? Did you just pass out?
Cool! The rest of the world is wild about an Obama presidency. Or maybe it’s just the thought of getting W the fuck out of dodge.
be sure to use a designated blogger
That too…! ;-)
I think “Born in the USA” would be a great song for Obama. The Boss could even sing it for him in person.
boss endorsed bo iirc
however, i always think of the ray-gun area when i hear that song
So many great tunes on this thread. One of FDLs best, IMHO.
That one would be great! Especially since Reagan tried using it, but The Boss told him to knock it off! Poor Republicans, the only artists that really like them are either batshit crazy lunatics like Ted Nugent, or no talent fuckheads like the Right Brothers.
both.
I’m thinking Obama needs a whole NEW theme song. Something none of us have heard, but that nobody will forget. Come on Dylan, come on Morriset, anyone up?
This is a bit obscure, but Bob Dylan’s “New Morning” might be an interesting song — maybe not for the campaign, but for a whistle stop…?
Happy Friday Nite, everyone.
Well, if anyone is still sad tonight, you can listen to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVV9uv-lT1Y,
but, only if you like to listen to a real kick ass Gospel Choir.
Heard it this morning and have to keep playing it.
BillHilly
Everybody CANCAN!
*chairdances like a dork*
Yes, i play this at my SL dj gigs, there’s an aussie friend of mine that LOVES this track. Fatboy Slim at his bigbeat best. And appropriate right now, oddly enough.
Honey I’m home….
hey demi
Um, thanks, I guess. But, I’ve had enough ouch this week.
greed is the creed
Demi – your vid was damaged, but it is fixed now.
Hard-refresh and it will work.
Or wouldn’t it be wonderful if a whole huge group of musicians got together for Obama like for Jackson’s “We are the World”?
Would that count as an in kind campaign contribution?
Obama has lost my support. Yes, of course, I’ll cast my vote for him because I don’t want McCain appointing Supreme Court justices But, I no longer respect Obama’s integrity — he’s just like all of the rest of them. After his big-deal principled stand against wearing an American flag in his lapel, that pandering asshole showed up at the A*P*C convention wearing not one but two flags in his lapel.
stuffed with all that good food. Glad you’re back.
welcome home katymind
Though I think someone may have already done it.
That’s interesting.
Hi Suz….
Hug a tree for me, will ya?
This morning some dope on CSPAN said something, something, and then that his wife said all those liberals are too busy hugging trees.
So clever.
Ha!
I’m okay…I’m okay…where’s the door…oh yeah…boiink…not. Oy.
FORK
katymine
dayam fingers
I was sorely disappointed with his pandering and rhetoric at the A*pac convention…!
Thank you Lurking Mod.
You da bestest.
(I just fell in love with that song this am.
i get where you’re going – but if he can swipe the Israel vote from the bigger fraud – McCain – I’m gonna look the other way.
Hmmm… that was directed at wigwam…
Hmmm…yeah…about those TPS reports..yeah…ummm…yeah…
lurk is the best – i had no worries about late nites while i was gone – knowing the lurkster had ya’ll taken care of
Big.Effing.Shoes.
Thanks Suzanne!
CTuttle – what else could he do? Let’s face it – we are hostages to the situation forever.
*g*
Careful, that might leave a mark.
Bad Little Doggie
That would be my hope…made me a bit on edge…yeah…umm…about those TPS cover pages…ummm…yeah…
Yeah, I’m with you on that.
I was just waiting for people to see some other stuff about him. But, still…considering the Other Guy, what else can we do?
McCain’s campaign song?
An egg on my forehead…ow….
dayammit, you said those shoes did not make my feet look fat (laughing)
I knew what ya meant…. Had a spectacular flight…… not the plane or not being in any proximity of crying babies ….But after takeoff….. the sky cleared and it was sparkling clear…… So I watched my own movie…. The great lakes, the planes…… bad lands…… WOW….. those rockies were outstanding with snow …… could see the Rockies all the way to the horizon…… then we turned over Utah and Northern AZ…… OMG the Grand Canyon from 35,000…..
Every lick of it was MY country….. and yours too….
hahahahaha…
jubal lee young has another one out called ‘greedy old men with fountain pens’ – always makes me think of mcsame
not on the utubes :(
No, we can stop funding/supplying Israel with mucho dinero and all our latest military hardware and munitions… Israel is the largest single recipient of our foreign aid…!
Keep eyes wide open.
btw Suz, that was a fabulous pedi!
That song is all the rage with my 5th graders. I made them listen to Obama’s historic speech (being American History curriculum) and then Si Se Puede Cambiar. They make me play it several times a day. Hope they have turned their (Spanish speaking) parents on to it!
Mary’s clown-shoes – tripped over them trying to get to the laundry room, nearly broke my neck!
even nevada looks good from the air – is what i miss about flying – looking at my country from a new perpective
sounds like a perfect flight, katymine
you saying my shoes looked like mary’s clown car shoes?
*eyes narrowing*
Really bizarre part of that, some of the Israeli made military hardware is superior to what we have, but we won’t buy any of it. Seems like we’d be better served if it was a two way street.
OOPS!
Break time!
Back in a few minutes, Suz…
my brother-in-law did not even blink when i said i needed some shoe and toe pictures taken for work
that pedi is best viewed and not described. i sure butchered the description last week
http://msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/m…..medium.jpg
I don’t wear clown car shoes.
geeeeezzzzzz.
On The Turning Away
Again, too much Ouch, but, yeah, okay, I will.
I’m stuck on that too, why I’m listening to so much gospel music lately. It balances out the Ouch.
mary mcc, come sit over here and we can plot while lurks on his ‘break’
It’s a great song, and amazing that a political speech can be used as song lyrics.
It’s a long-standing Democratic tradition. The Republicans used to not be so blatant about it, but now they’re worse.
I watched the final Kennedy/Humphrey debate before the ‘68 California primary in a bar with a Zionist friend with whom I had many differences about U.S.-Israel matters. Watching Humphrey shout “I’d provide them jet fighters,” and Kennedy retort, “I’d sell them Phaotom-jet fighters,” forced Fred to mutter in absolute disgust: “Listen to those bastards pander to the Borscht-belt vote along Fairfax.” Even he couldn’t stand it.
and there you go
If this doesn’t pick you up, you’re very sad.
http://www.partydomain.co.uk/d…..22594A.jpg
What I didn’t see is those lines and colors that make up the red & blue states…… Just saw one beautiful country…..
except for that strip mine that looked like a boil… big open wound
floyd
This lullaby?
True, they’ve improved upon much of our advanced tech, I know from personal experience they adapted our phased array radar that is the heart and soul of Aegis and the Patriot systems…!
excellent
Did you blow kisses?
stomp
Haven’t just improved on existing tech either. There’s the Trophy system, which Raytheon won’t be able to duplicate for at least four years. Plus Raytheon is going the complex, delicate and expensive route.
when lurk goes to sleep we should tie his shoe strings together.
waaawaaa! (clown horn)
I’ve been doing that for years. And, yes, once again, I am forced to do that. But, this shit has got to stop! I want to see our foreign policy constructed in Washington, not Jerusalem! Look at this http://tbogg.firedoglake.com/2…..est-links/
We were led to war by intelligence that was stovepiped to the White House by people with dual citizenship.
That’s the FRP detection/deflection system?
Huge scandal, that.
Heh, Raytheon was the proud poppa of the phased array systems…
aha.. i found the video i couldn’t find earlier – for stomp
Shit – I meant RPG…
McC’s campaign song should be “Take a Chance On Me” – Abba
shake
We’d be better off if the street were blocked.
add a couple drops of super glue to his modcom 7pt safety harness
Fred?
super glue on his keyboard. oooooooooooooooo.
Scary!
Yer evil! I must remember that for later use…! ;-)
A long-deceased friend from the olden days.
Yep…. Raytheon…. BIG AZ company…… received BIG benefits from McBush and his “ear marks”
innocent look
That’s the one. Raytheon is supposedly building something similar, except it will use small guided missiles, which of course could never, ever go off target and create more of that “collateral damage.”
yanno, if i move this little thingie to right here, when he sits back down…. splash
Saw this on Countdown last year.
And NBC (I presume) made it disappear… poof
Corporate headquarters is along the ‘miracle mile’ just outside of Boston…!
Yes, indeed, never forget that Isreali weapons are so very, very surgical.
Raytheon makes the Tomahawk cruise missile. They make millions every time an Iraqi village blows up.
For clarity though, they’re based in Waltham MA, and not in AZ. They have plants and facilities all around the US.
wearing not one but two flags in his lapel.
Bwaahahaha..
Deja Voodoo?
Actually, it’s a one-piece, made specially for these events.
Gotta luv those cluster bomblets…!
In as many congressional districts as possible.
Actually some are extremely surgical. I’ve heard they’re developing some weird one that harms nothing outside of a very small blast radius. Everything inside of that radius is of course destroyed. They’re not perfect, but America’s not really in any position to complain about the disregard for civillian casualties in a war zone.
I am sure a few GOPers head exploded… and they are now trying to figure out how to claim Obama is “pimping” the flag like shiny rims on an old caddy..
And they all proudly bear the “Made in the U.S.A.” label.
But fortunately, IIRC, the Raytheon system is much more expensive.
The 10 top defense contractors in AZ
Local defense contractors score billions
Pedicure pr0n.
Would that be a cluster-pin?
i had to be classy as MOTB so i went for the aurora crystals
http://www.postalservicemusic.net/
Hello Firepups!
So, IIRC, there was a treaty against cluster bombs signed this week. Did we sign it? Did Isreal sign it? I doubt that either one did.
When we sold cluster bombs to the Isrealis, they pledged not to use them in civilian areas. During the last 48 hours of the 2006 war, the sowed four million bomblets into populated areas of Southern Lebanon, acording to what I’ve read. Something like 2/3 of them explode on landing. The rest are in essence land mines in civilian areas.
There was a congressional resolution proposed condemning this action by Isreal. The yes votes could be counted on one hand.
yowza!!
Like this…
The new Grille
Heh, here’s a sad factoid from your article…
My little friends’ student of the month ceremony (because, I’m convinced, there is no god/and/or he/she doesn’t like me) is at ten, so I’m off.
Thanks for coming by.
Well yeah! Can’t go all toe prOn at a wedding.
lolpedicure
No we didn’t sign it.. And, iirc, we used them this year in Sadr City.
May I just say I’m really, rilly, rally sick of this a script on this page not working thingy?
Tired of it. Don’t want it. Almost can’t stand it anymore.
We are most certainly in a position to complain about the use of weapons we provide to a country that we protect.
congrats and enjoy julia… sleep well
G’night Julia, and thanks :-)
There was also a bill in Congress to ban the use of cluster bombs in populated areas by U.S. forces. That one failed too. I wonder how many bomblets we’ve left lying around in Iraq and Afghanistan. Planks and splinters.
Hi Christine! Are you home yet?
707, that is too cute ;-)
I saw that too….. wonder if DiFi’s husbands ties have anything to do with it…
http://www.postalservicemusic.net/
And this my favorite!
Oh, good grief.
And, somebody paid real money for that?
It’s Eureka time upstairs
‘nite Julia
i was having that problem and it turned out it was because of a conflict with my spyware and the latest windows update
the tech crew got rid of the majority of the java scripts on the page to make it load faster, demi. can you identify which script it is?
Damn! And, I missed that we had done that. IIRC, using indiscriminate weapons (or whatever the term is) in civilian areas, which Sadr City most certainly is, is considered a “Crime Against Humanity.” I’ll have to look up the exact reference.
Dr. John is front paging the NYT! Maybe he could do a song for Obama?
Yes we are! We arrived about 5:00 and spent time looking for Mr.CE’s phone (found in his bathrobe!). Thanks for asking. Hot here! 93 degrees.
Like what?
When we use those weapons in the same way, no, we’re not in any position to castigate others for doing the same thing.
It was a UN convention, as I recall, and no we didn’t sign it… Btw, the Lebanese are trying to sue Israel in the World Court for the usage of the cluster bombs… I don’t foresee any viable consequences arising from it other than a written rebuke…! 8-(
What page? FDL is working fine for me tonight.
Some people try to justify everything that the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians by saying we did the same things or worse to the American Indians. That’s a true statement, but it justifies nothing. What we did to the American Indians was a crime against humanity, and arguably “genocide.”
Shame Shame Shame
Last one
I don’t think so, it just says a script, but, I’ll meet you upstairs…:)
Been hovering around 99 in Austin.
Filed that article to read later, thanks Loo Hoo.
I think I heard about this story first from Rachel Maddow who noticed he started wearing one once in a while suddenly and she wondered if he were toying or daring the press to bring it up. Apparently some older gentlemen looked him in the eye at one point when he was glad-handing and said, “So you wear the pin once in a while. What is it going to hurt?” He saw the guy’s point, I guess.
Think I’ll go on upstairs…
Just discovering Rodney Crowell. Liked what I heard.
Mr. CE put the air conditioner in the bedroom window about 9:00. We are comfortable here downstairs with a fan, but this weekend is expecting very high temps!
Regarding the cluster-bomb treaty http://www.hrw.org/english/doc…../18976.htm
But at AIPAC, one of his two flags was not that of the U.S.
Doesn’t bother me….. the daughter of two WWII Vets, ex & sister to Vietnam Vets….. cousin to a ton of Vietnam vets… it is jewelery, he could were diamonds and it still would not mean anything….
Thank you Julia! You moved out from the trees and are sharing the big picture of the forest! Serener view. Deep breath.
DENIAL, ANGER, BARGAINING…. THOSE THREE STAGES ARE TOUGHIES! When Hillary said to write her, I thought, oooh boy…. what is this about? But it is a cathartic activity for her supporters … if HRC leaves it at that. (sorry… back among the trees for a sec…. my bad)
THEN DEPRESSION (rough, but easier on the rest of the world … time to lick one’s wounds, and isolate)
THEN ACCEPTANCE.
And on to Obama and his serenity.
And:
Thanks for that chuckle, too. The Democratic firing squad in a circle metaphor is getting old, but I guess the warning still applies.
Ahhhhh…. Israel’s? Oy vey.
Is this Gary Farber article a joke? Stages of grief? WHAT? We are talking a political campaign, not the loss of your child! Talk about a bunch of spoiled brats! GROW UP, Americans! Since you have never experienced a REAL tragedy, I will tell you of some. Sheesh!
I’m not going to partake of the “stages” thing, but the Hillary supporters are very, very let down, as most of them support her in good faith. I understand that crush, having been involved in a few crushing races myself.
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I felt the stages of grief when Edwards withdrew. And I was grateful to have FELT that committed and passionate about someone. Better to have CARED and lost, than not to have cared. To believe a candidate actually gave a damn for their constituency.
When you consider how we have moved through despair for 8 years with the Bush scoundrels, I think it is great people are getting excited about this election. I hope it carries over to the issues, too, and direct activism as citizens, not only at election time.
I think whomever you get behind, some degree of kool-aid drinking takes place. Hillary was indeed burning up the track at the end. I am curious to see if the Democrats can rally in a just and noble way. The Dem leadership. Putting capitalism inducements and egos aside. Can Obama compromise and communicate without sacrificing any vertebrae?
Who ever wins, for good or ill, they will make “political” choices, and some will displease their natural and adopted constituencies. We look back at the Clinton years and, all things being equal, for all the fuckery, I would take them over the Bush years without hesitation.
But we now have this: there is a better than even chance that those served by the next President will be greater in number than the Bush years, and that the outlook of the next President will include the premise that the President is the Nation’s President, that the Attorney General is the Nation’s Top Cop, and that the agencies and branches are servants of the people. We could (and have) done much worse.
Absolutely. All very well said.
I know I have vowed to be a more committed citizen and have to take some responsibility for my lack of activism as Bush took us on this surreal and destructive ride. I am still dismayed by the indifference of many, and the 30% Bush kool-aid drinkers … but I want to help heal this country. Visiting here helps morale and keeps me informed. I am so grateful. Still very new.
Back from months of lurking and business elsewhere. Good to ’see’ you all.
As for songs, this was mine after a serious birth defect that had had behavioral effects was finally diagnosed. It got me through some hard times.
“I can see clearly now, the rain is gone.”
Johnny Nash, covered by Jimmy Cliff.
Spelling of one word changed. Modified: I have replaced rain with reign, as in the reign of George Bush II.
Song for a unified Democratic party, with certain stanzas meant for the grieving Hillary followers. Let’s now try NOT to be the obstacles BO toward a reign-less future.
Posted this on Daily Kos and was rewarded with a you tube cover that illustrated my thought exactly. h/t Kovie.
For the hurried. The opening frame is the White House.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…../52576/110
Forgot to preview.
Let’s now try NOT to be the obstacles in BO’s and our paths toward a reign-less future.
And whose interest is served by paying attention to such distractions? I think Obama’a principled stand was that wearing a flag pin – or not – was an issue we should ignore while we focus on important issues, like Supreme Court nominations – as you suggest.
Oh, where to start. Many are saying that we should just give Hillary emotional room and time to adjust herself and her supporters (I giggle at the word) time to adjust. Did anyone give Dean supporters any time to adjust? No. They were slammed for not getting with the program. And I was just as devastated by Edwards and Kerry’s and Clintons manipulation to get Howard Dean out. And they still want to get him out.
If Hillary wants to play in the big leagues, she needs to know that losing without whining is what is done. Hillary needs to grow up. And some of her supporters are refugees from Linbaugh’s Operation Choas. And Hillary stoked the fires. Oh yes she did. So it will take awhile for me to forgive and forget all they she and Bill have done against the dem party for the last 4 years, ne 8 years.
Obama will disappoint. Politicians do. And if I want the perfect candidate to agree with me, than I should be the candidate. Weveryone else is going with your best bet. And that would not be Hillary. For this older women who has come to dislike her immensely.
My sentiments exactly.
Where was this flood of compassion when Gore lost, and under similar circumstances?
And, FDL disappoints in not offering a post of congratulations to Sen. Obama 4 days after the fact.
Maybe Sen. Clinton will ‘release’ FDL today and allow such a post to happen.