They are comfortable with John McCain. They know him well from all his years of public service. They may not like all of his policies, but they at least think they know what they are getting with him. It was the same for them with Hillary Clinton -- who they knew quite well from all of her time as First Lady and in the public spotlight since then.
They don't feel comfortable with Obama just yet -- he has not closed the deal with them. Not just with women, but also with a lot of men here and in PA, OH, FL, MI, and any number of other states. And, last I checked, we needed a number of those states on the electoral college count unless the entire mathematics of elections has changed outright. We may be able to pick up some Western states -- and that would be fantastic -- but what if we don't? What if we come down to Ohio again -- which is also iffy on a number of levels, including GOP dirty tricks problems in a LOT of counties.
I did a post a while back on "Crossing the Archie Bunker Divide, " and I wanted to revisit it in light of some things that have cropped up. Pam Spaulding had a post on the juxtaposition of a story about Rush Limbaugh belittling Obama and the flying of a ginormous Confederate flag by some yahoo in Florida. If anyone thinks that racial politics is not alive and well, just take a peek at that -- and at Dave's piece on dog whistle memes throughout the primary, then at this piece on a recent radio show digging into the deep-seated racial questions lurking below some of the surface. (And, while I'm thinking of it, what in the hell is Howard Kurtz doing with a headline that refers to Hillary Clinton as "Ho." Jeebus, does the name "Don Imus" ring a frigging bell? Talk about offensive. And his non-apology after being forced to change it is even more insulting.)
Then do yourself an enormous favor and read this post from Rick Perlstein on how far we have come to even get to a point where Barack Obama could be the Democratic nominee:
...When I learned that the papers of Senator Paul Douglas were at the Chicago Historical Society (as it was known then; now it's cursed with the decidedly more prosaic name the Chicago History Museum), I decided to make Douglas's 1966 loss to Republican Charles Percy a key case study for my hypothesis. Douglas was a popular liberal lion first elected in 1948 and a civil rights champion, whose wife Emily Taft Douglas (a one-term congresswoman herself) had strode proudly across Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965 arm in arm with Martin Luther King. He was also, as an economist, one of the architects of many of the New Deal ideas and programs that created the world's first mass middle class.
In the summer of 1966, as debate over open housing raged in Congress, King marched not in Alabama but in Chicago, to implore the city to enforce its own open housing ordinance, passed in 1963—which, if Chicago did, would be a first. It was the most segregated city in the north. As I put it in NIXONLAND (drawing on this classic study):
You could draw a map of the boundary within which the city's seven hundred thousand Negroes were allowed to live by marking an X wherever a white mob attacked a Negro. Move beyond it, and a family had to face down a mob of one thousand, five thousand, or even (in the Englewood riot of 1949, when the presence of blacks at a union meeting sparked a rumor the house was to be "sold to niggers") ten thousand bloody-minded whites. In the late 1940s, when the postwar housing shortage was at its peak, you could find ten black families living in a basement, sharing a single stove but not a single flush toilet, in "apartments" subdivided by cardboard. One racial bombing or arson happened every three weeks.... In neighborhoods where they were allowed to "buy" houses, they couldn't actually buy them at all: banks would not write them mortgages, so unscrupulous businessmen sold them contracts that gave them no equity or title to the property, from which they could be evicted the first time they were late with a payment.
And in 1966, a teenager answering a job ad walked over the border from Chicago into the all-white city of Cicero, and for that sin and no other was beaten to death. That was what Martin Luther King came to fight in Chicago.
At the Chicago History Museum, the Douglas collection covers seven hundred "linear feet"—archivists' metric for how big a collection would be if you stacked the papers one atop another. And somehow, somewhere, I stumbled upon Box 722, which contained all the letters Senator Paul Douglas received about open housing and Martin Luther King's presence in Chicago. I quote many of them in a section of NIXONLAND of which I'm most proud, the one with the most original research and historical insights: the one on how "open housing" opened up the conservative backlash that inaugurated the Republican dominance of the politics of our own generation. I've always wanted to do a post printing, for the historical record, all the letters I put down in my research notes.
That's what I'm about to do. They comprise an unmatched emotional history on how the white middle class built by the New Deal learned to vote Republican. And an unmatched marker of how far this nation has come, now that this same city has given us our first African American presidential nominee.
My heart wants to believe that problems for Obama in introducing himself simply have to do with making inroads in areas where he is less well known, in redefining McCain as a flip-flopping, Bush wannabe, and making himself a real, multi-dimensional person who cares about the day-to-day economic and social needs of blue collar folks around the country. But the part of me that has lived too long in the cynical real world worries that, as Rick details, we may have some serious difficulty pushing past the still-festering racial wounds, especially once the Wurlitzer gears up its nasty sideshow.
Sometimes it seems to me that in our echo chamber of progressive blogs we forget altogether that there are a helluva lot more Democrats out there who are not progressive, a lot of whom have been running a lot of local party apparatus since before many of us were born. They are cautious, they need to be wooed -- and they aren't yet feeling the love from the Obama folks. They simply aren't.
And that is a HUGE problem for all of us if we want to beat McCain in November. Because those people vote -- every election -- and we may lose them and their efforts. I hear rumors that is about to change, and that Team Obama will be rolling out a lot of outreach to these folks who were, by and large, Clinton supporters, and that Clinton staffers and allies are already helping with this. If this is true, it cannot come soon enough.
Maybe it's because I live in the heart of the blue collar rust belt and mining belt territory -- or that our local Dem organization is fairly old and settled in their ways -- but it's a big problem here and among any number of family members and friends with whom I have spoken who have been staunch Democrats and who just don't feel comfortable yet that they even know Obama. He needs an intro to these folks -- Obama's recent appearance in Appalachia is a great start. Especially if he keeps coming back the way John Edwards did in the primary and Bobby Kennedy did in 1968. And they need to know he cares about what's in their hearts, and what isn't in their wallets after 8 years of George Bush failures. His just announced "Change That Works For You" events are a great start on that economic conversation.
But the honest truth is that he hasn't sold these folks on a vote for him. And he needs to do so -- fast -- before McCain's cronies start their slime machine up and do worse than the already smarmy SPAM e-mails have done. We all know it is coming -- it's a short window of intro honeymoon in the press for Obama, if he gets one at all from the fickle pack. And we do not help him or his campaign by only looking at things through rose-colored glasses of best-case scenario.
Obama's campaign staff is to be congratulated for running a lean, effective campaign -- and for speeches like the one in the YouTube above which rose above the din of idiocy to talk about gut-level issues we all need to hear about and talk about more often. But the general election campaign is a whole new level of calculus. If we don't have this conversation now, when are we ever going to have it? Would love to know your thoughts on how we move forward from here...together.
Login Here
Share This
Spotlight
My next-door neighbor here in Chicago opined that the country is ‘not ready’ for a black President.
I refer to my NW Side (Rahm territory) as the buckle of the bungalow belt, where every other house is home to some sort of municipal employee (including Mrs. Mack at one time)
Of course that was a few months back. I keep meaning to check back with him.
zed
I really don’t know what “feel comfortable” means in this context. We’re electing a President — not choosing a husband.
And what these people think they know about McSame is obviously wrong. I have no more patience with them than I do with their leader — Joe Lieberman.
Go Obama!!!
What if we come down to Ohio again
From my sitting with the Obama legal team on May 6, watching the returns come in, I know that Governor Ted Strickland is on the list of possible V.P. candidates…
Take a peek at Rick Perlstein’s article — it’s a serious walk through a lot of the attitudes from the past (or maybe from right now — it’s so tough to tell because we rarely talk about these issues publicly).
That said, McCain has weakened his straight shooter image and represents a party which used bi-partisan support to engage our nation in a costly unprovoked, unnecessary war.
These factors can sway fence sitters.
He’d have to be — given the neighboring states that would reach into as well, they’d be foolish not to be thinking about him. Interesting that they were musing out loud about it…
Hi. I live in PA, another purple state, and I’m worried about the GE. I’m worried for many of the reasons you mention–and you’re correct, IMHO–but I’m also worried because McCain or some GOP group is already running TV ads here…and they are good.
McShame is basically coopting all of Obama’s talking points, and sounding reasonable while doing so. Point by point we can debunk those ads…but the people they’re directed at are knee-jerk GOPers who don’t much read and definitely don’t do Google searches to find out real info (as opposed to Faux News).
If anybody here has a contact in the Obama camp or the DNC, please urge them to start a TV ad campaign ASAP. My little blue dot will vote Obama, definitely, but we are surrounded by a sea of non-thinking red.
It’s the yes we can vs the no we can’ts.
Seriously, CHS.. Thanks for saying what needs to be said, once again. As an Arkansan, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
The economy is slowing so much that the American people will look for a leader that will lead them back to prosperity. IMO Barack needs to hammer home that the trickle down tax breaks of Bush don’t work. The trickle down theory has never worked. He needs to give the American people something to strive for and all his speeches should begin with the trickle down theory that McCain supports have gotten us into this mess and they don’t work. People still vote with their pocketbook.
Christy, I also meant to mention that this is a great post. Thanks.
Interesting that they were musing out loud about it…
actually, it was more like one guy pulling me over to the side to ask, with a bit of an evil grin, what I thought of Strickland.
The first time I brought it up, I got a round of “we haven’t even started to think about that yet”.
Honestly, as much as I hate the idea, Obama should have Hill as the veep… The veritable ‘Dream Ticket’… Don’t get me wrong, I certainly don’t want her on the ticket, but………
Thanks — Pam Spaulding and I have been batting some of this back and forth privately for ages — how to talk about this without putting people on the defensive especially — because we need to have these conversations. She’s done a number of fantastic posts on racial divide issues this primary season that I’ve been trying to link up to get more conversation going on them.
It’s a really difficult issue for a lot of folks — of all colors — but one that we need to talk about both along racial and also comfort level lines. A lot of the folks that I know who aren’t sure about Obama aren’t folks that I would generally think of as having racial problems for the most part, but there is a discomfort with him that I haven’t been able to pin down, and it puzzles me that he hasn’t closed the deal with them. And I’m wondering what we can all do to help that along well before November.
You might be right but there are other alternatives. Jim Webb has respect with the Appalachian group and seems to connect with middle class voters. He also has the military background that can diffuse McCain’s.
Obama must also be very clear and forceful about what he is FOR - not just what he is against. People want to vote FOR something/someone, not just AGAINST something/someone.
Given the good feeliings these folks have about McSlime, they are going to have to see a really good program that they can believe will actually have results for them.
Although I agree with you, I still think that he needs to hammer home that the tax cuts went to the wealthy. Many folks feel that the 50.00 tax cut they got helped and they are afraid that it’s going to be taken away. What is taken away is their lifestyle.
I’m disappointed to see that Edwards has definitively pulled his name out of consideration…!
I was really happy to hear from someone working with Obama that they are going to start an economics tour — the one that I mention above — in a lot of areas of the country that are having a rough time right now. These are folks who far too often feel utterly forgotten, and it means a lot that he’s making that effort to reach out to them. Especially in talking about what we can all do together to give them a hand up, so that they can do the same for others down the road and for their families.
I certainly don’t want her on the ticket, but………
Yeah, that’s a big “but”. Bring her on, win the damned election, give her the dual jobs of health-care planning, and ram-rodding legislation, and worry about Bill and Hillary’s personal ambitions *after* safely ensconced in the WH.
Hi Christy!!
The Hate Boys are cranking it up, some is plain stupid like Beck & Doughy Pantload - Beck Dons Soviet-Style Hat With Obama ‘08 Logo - but we know worse is just down the road. Also from Think Progress -
Zell Miller, I am sure, will show up too.
I’m old enough to remember it, and I’m still pretty damned scared Christy. Obama and Michele’s courage is breathtaking.
Your post is fantastic.
I’m still really scared…
There’s a monster, living under my bed to this day, because of the events that I witnessed in the 60’s.
Obama is every bit as exceptional as they were….every bit…maybe even more, considering history.
I hope we can somehow get over to people how exceptional the Obamas are. I think they are probably the bravest people I’ve ever seen in my life.
Racism is alive and well and thriving in the darkness.
Godspeed is all I can say.
If anyone can make it…Obama can. Yes he can. He’s very streetwise, and very, very brilliant.
McCain…no…he doesn’t “need” to be brilliant…he just needs to push the buttons of those that suck off the negativity. Electing McCain or appointing McCain or accepting McCain because the voting machines say so…is, quite frankly, completely unacceptable for our country.
The more gas prices rise the more Obama’s stock goes up.
It is the economy, stupid and the economy is only going to get worse. People know they have been had by the trickle down theory.
I wish you could see the McShame ads that are running here…he’s calling for cleaner power (with photos of wind turbines), for example. The ads are really good and we need to start countering them now. Because I can see what he’s trying to do: the reaction here among the GOP will be: well, they’re both calling for the same solutions to our problems and Obama is black.
The GE has begun in PA. We need to hit back, hard, starting YESTERDAY. IMO.
People generally aren’t comfortable with people they don’t know well, especially in company with people they do. In this case, they know McCain (and Hillary) and they don’t know Obama.
While these people may not be racist in the technical way - if they haven’t spent much or any time with anyone of a different race than themselves, that contributes to a comfort level as well. Not racist, just comfort level.
Obama also has some other characteristics that can tend to make people uncomfortable. His education for one. His cosmopolitanism (the fact that he has lived in several countries overseas), and while Obama in person never seems to talk down to people or try to intimidate them with his knowledge, his education, or anything else - if you haven’t been in the same room with him, or know someone who has - these things also contribute to the comfort level we are discussing.
Next, how to get past all this stuff.
I think (I hope) that Obama’s campaign knows that he needs to get into more communities, more face time with medium and smaller groups that are important to these communities so that the message can spread that he’s not an ‘elitist’ and that he is a regular guy.
All I can say is, if Senator Obama loses to Senator Flipflop on account of his race, then I think it would be safe to conclude that this country will have stability serious problems to get over before its ready to confront its own inevitably brown future. I think that’s probably the point at which we would need to start thinking seriously about California’s longterm future.. whether we as a state are prepared to go down with a unreparably racially and ethnically divided country. I hope it does not come to that.
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) told Fox News Radio that it was “a good question” to ask if Obama is “a Marxist,” though he said he would “hesitate” to call him one himself.
What a lovable scamp that Joe is, huh?
It’s hard to get super excited by any politician who gets that far. It seems that they have made plenty of deals with the devil(s) along the way.
I don’t think in this case experience is the deciding factor. Mc made be old, but I can’t think of much he’s done in all those years.
I rather care for someone who is smart, ethical and surrounds him or herself with smart, ethical people. Bush proved that anyone with a sub 100 IQ can be president for even 8 years… but then he was the worst there ever was.
What you are going to see is the pandering begin to try to curry favor with all sorts of groups. The AIPAC bit was a perfect example.
We don’t an zionist state with secure borders and a Palestinian one along side, we need a single state where all the people can live with mutual respect. When you hear this sucking up to the Israel lobby you see the absence of rational thought at work and pandering on steriods. But that’s what pols do and until there is a one state solution over there we will have this killing and nonsense.
It’s no different than not recognizing Cuba or doing an economic boycott to those people. Sheer stupidity and meaness.
People think they know McCain well because of all his years of public service. We seem to learn more each day about how different he really is from his public persona. It’s not pretty.
I Live in Pa, too. The economy is going to overwhelm many of the problems Obama has. I agree he has to connect, but I don’t see him in a red checked flannel back slapping. I think his core values will come through, and people will come to believe he is the key to their better future.
Also, McCain IMHO has slipped dramatically from 2K. I think he loses everytime he is seen live. There is no shelter in the spotlight for a very old, very average intellect with anger issues. There will be daily gaffs that no longer get covered up.
My sentiments exactly… Other than ‘Fourth Branch’ Darth’s rule, the Veep slot is pretty innocuous…
Thanks for this post. It was a difficult read for me, but I guess I need it. I have given people advice in the past on how to be broad minded and see things from the other point of view, and not be strident. But right now I cannot do it, and seem to have forgotten how.
Look, I grew up in a white working class family out in the country side, I remember watching the sun come up countless after working a few hours before dawn. I worked many times in the fall long after the sun went down. Sometimes on a farm you work at the damnedest darkest coldest hours or the late night and very early morning.
So, I feel like I have no need to cater to some of these working class white folk who have revealed their serious racial and gender bigotry.
This was a good primary for the Democrats in that we had three major candidates from three different backgrounds who showed they could break through some long standing barriers. But it was depressing in that it has revealed extensive retarded and vicious and frightening sexism and racism that still exists in this country.
I feel like yelling at some of these foolish white people. I feel like saying “Look, I am from you people, but I decided not to stay an ^%$#!! ignorant bigoted loser. So, I will tell you what, I don’t feel sorry for you, I thnk you should maybe pull up your socks, learn some stuff, and not be a self destructive ignorant fool.”
Somehow, in some way, I do sense that is not the right approach. So I will read FDL for advice on how to handle it, since I seem to have forgotten the knack of it. I will be going home to my ancestral stomping grounds in rural CA where these kinds of retrograde attitudes are still common, but will hold my tongue this trip, lest I simply do harm to the good cause.
I think if he seems to upitty they will off him. Imagine the hell that would follow such a heinous act.
The ads are really good and we need to start countering them now….
I don’t terribly mind seeing the cash-strapped McCain campaign burn money five months out
It would be satisfying to see Lieberman’s political life go up in flames.
Me too, because the more they see Barack and the more they hear his message, the less race will play into it. The repubs will start hammering home that Barack will take away their extra 50.00 a year in tax cuts and it’s imperative for him to stop it. The American people need to wake up and realize that a strong middle class is important to all. We are a consumer based economy and from the Retail Sales, that is sorely lacking. We are not a Stock Market based economy which is what Bush has been feeding into.
I wish we could be like the republicans and just make something up and get the media to repeat it over and over again for us. Like the last election was all about Kerry being a coward, this election could focus entirely on McCain’s homosexuality.
Amen.
I have been stating that for a while now.
Hang the econmic mess around McSames neck along with his oneness with GW’s economic disaster policies.
Between now and November it isn’t going to get any better no matter what the cheerleaders in the MSM say.
BTW, that is exactly why GW senior got hammered in his reelection bid.
Great post Christy! We have come a long way but we still have a long before racism and inequality are vanquished and everyone truly cares about strangers and even neighbors…. But we have come along way since I was young.
the same Sen Joe said the other day that he hopes to see China (a dictatorship, albeit a slightly less than evil one) take an active role in promoting democracy in Myanmar (an allied, and totally evil dictatorship). He actually used that word, democracy. The man is not only perverse. He’s genuinely clueless.
But how many people here in PA were watching the McShame greenscreen speech? Versus the ads that run every newshour (and yesterday, at least, I think they were running every twenty minutes during the news)?
the Veep slot is pretty innocuous…
After the Darth regime, the Veep slot will never return to innocuous imo. The Veep slot is now available to be imbued with whatever amount of power a president should choose.
Yet he appears more clued-in than McCain so often.
I also think that Barack has to correct the bitter comments. He could turn that to his advantage, imo, if he said that what he meant is the repubs can only run on guns and religion because that’s all they have left. He might mention that he’s bitter because the last election they made sure to highlight gay marriage and family values. Well they never did define what they meant by family values.
Beer O:clock, finally!
have a good one pups!
On the issue of pandering, I saw an excellent post at another site and copied it for you here - it’s about reading between the lines, or framing as it were:
I think that we need to be careful of jumping to negative conclusions about speeches that Obama gives - because this is just one example of where using proper and “new” frames - thinking outside the box kind of stuff - can allow him, and us, to re-set the tone and the attitude of this campaign.
No offense: but you don’t understand the mentality here. Our House rep is Joe Pitts: and he’s not going to be removed from office anytime soon because the GOPers who continually vote for him actually LIKE chimpy&co.
Obama has to leap over a huge bar here. Part of it is racial–but only part.
Ironically, although I was born in a white middle class household, I was reared here in Hawaii as a ‘minority’, my Sis and I were the only two ha’oles in our high school… And, I’ve traveled a lot… I’ve a different perspective on life…! ;-)
Yet he appears more clued-in than McCain so often.
Is that why he’s always standing beside McCain? (two half-wits, together, add up to…?)
Did anybody hear the story today at Wonkette and other places that Obama and HRC actually were at a Bilderberger meeting last night? I actually hope it is true…because if it is true…if Obama was “accepted” by the “powers that be”…because like it or not…there are powers that be. That is a good thing as far as anything sinister happening to him. It does not mean that he is not what he says he is or anything like that…it means that they will protect him. Just sayin’. The Bilderberger group is powerful and they met last night…and Obama disappeared for awhile from the press…from the very plane he was on in the close vicinity of their meeting, which created fury amongst the press traveling with him. It makes sense that that international group would want to meet him, etc.
I live in Tom Price’s district in Ga but when the opportunity arises, I still point out that I can’t support him because I believe in a strong middle class.
I see racism even in saying Obama has a race problem. Who could ever claim to be more biracial, to have more transcended old outdated racial stereotypes than Obama. I mean that biologically, socially, professionally, geographically in terms of where he grew up, different culters he has been exposed to and learned from.
Yet some people. in fact, many many people, decide to force things into these old stupid racial stereotypes, that don’t apply. There is supposed to be this ‘racial’ problem, and he is officially something different that people will not accept. And it is *his* problem, not ours, we we are supposed to worry about now *he* will he deal with it.
Can people not see how unfair and racis and silly it all is? Right now it makes me feel almost physically ill simply to think about it.
Uh-oh, you’re not headed out to go bar-hopping, eh? ;-)
Well, at least one of them has half a brain - the other, I’m not so sure…
Hillary and Barack met at Dianne Feinstein’s house last night for an hour. Just the two of them chatting in the room — no staff, security outside, Feinstein out of the room as well. They issued a joint statement after the meeting.
KO is reporting on it right now…! ;-)
I have the same issue — with this and with same sex couple issues as well — because I don’t see the issues personally. But I’ve learned that what I may not personally be feeling may be something someone else feels very strongly about…having had friends come out to parents and then go through hell, or when my college roommate (who was a black woman) got chased out of a Dominos pizza in the middle of the day because the manager thought she and her boyfriend were trying to rob it, when they were just picking up their lunch. (And this in very liberal MA, so it’s everywhere.) We can’t look at best case scenario — we need to look at all the contingencies to make this work for November. Painful though it may be…
Shining the light on racism is crucial for our country. How to get people to be compassionate to all people and give up the bigotry…Well…most people have some form of compassion somewhere. Personally, I don’t think the problem is with the people…the problem is with those with power. Those that feel that they will lose their investment of power. They are the dangerous ones to our democracy, because they are dictatorial and ruthless. They are the ones that need to be continually exposed.
I grew up in inner city Irish Catholic Boston and things were certainly us vs them back then. From religion to race to right down to what neighborhood you lived in. It was us verses Them mentality. Boy have I learned a lot in my life time and I am happy I have:>)
Sorry, I don’t automatically believe what the MSM tells me. That much I’ve learned in my life. I like to keep an open mind, otherwise I would believe that we went to war because of WMDs. Just sayin’. Leave no stone unturned.
I think a lot of people get to be more compassionate about this and so many other issues because they get to know someone who is facing them. I know that has been true when people we have known found out that another friend was gay, for example — or when people have gotten to know an Arabic background co-worker a lot better.
It goes from “them” to “us” in the mind, and then…voila!…that difference doesn’t seem so vast.
My father-in-law(since deceased) from MA, was very bigoted, fortunately my wife never was…! ;-)
Not to be pessimistic, but I am not sure how much he can accomplish in the short time before the GE making people who are so disinclined to support him. It seems these voters, will need such catering too (and I am not trying to be disrespectful with the use of that word, just realistic) that I think it might be wasted resources. He can’t possible meet with every rural community in the nation before November. And it seems that is was it might take, and then not even be a sure thing.
I support him visiting Appalachia as an effort and to make the point that he will be a President for all Americans, but I think realistically most of his resources should be made in states that he has a real shot in. Overall message will be imporant (e.g economic issues), but will not be enough. Those with communities only partially resistant to him and with electoral signifiance to his strategy should be a focus. Ohio, MI, PA - yes, Virginia - yes, Indiana - yes, and a few others. But no offense to WV and Kentucky and several others but he doesn’t stand a chance there. I think he has to get elected first and then show those voters that they can trust them and maybe he can win their votes for his second term. I just think it will take more time than we have to try to solve their “uncomfortableness” with him in many regions.
Maybe start a series of work-groups in each community around an issue that hits home for all sub-groups.
Bring all these people together to brainstorm solutions for a common problem - and they all find out they have that same thing in common - plus the experience of working together to try to solve things instead of just blaming.
Heh, I was ‘them’ for awhile until I made some true friends…!
He doesn’t have to meet with everyone. In community organizing, the first thing you do is identify certain individuals in a neighborhood/community. These individuals are the ones that are kind of the backbone of the group - they are the ones who talk a lot and whose opinions are respected. Those individuals are invited to a meet & greet. THEY will spread the word.
On the otherhand, a Republican lead California Supreme Court ruled on the constitutionality of same-sex marriage in a positive way, and now the majority political party of this country has selected a man of color as its candidate. Yes, things can go backwards but at the moment they are going forward.
Yes, thanks for feeling my pain. With same sex marriage, yeah, I have the same problem with many friends and relatives back home. I feel like telling those people to grow up and stuff it.
On same sex marriage, I believe state should junk the marriage thing altogether. Separation of church and state, so if the state is doing anyting with sectarian relgious overtones, why not junk it? You go to court to sign some papers to take care of legal stuff, and if you want to get ‘married’ find yourself a church. Some of my gay friends in the Bay Area have real problems with my prefered solution, and we argue. But at least it is a calm and civil argument. Many of ‘my people’ back home just go batsh*t crazy over the topic, and I am tired of their nonsense.
But, you are right in your post, just yelling back is not a good approach.
So, for now, I will veg out and be cool, unitl I can say something nice.
You should read Diane McWhorter’s book “Carry Me Home” about Birmingham, AL. She won a pulitzer years ago. She speaks to the corporations causing unrest because they get cheaper labor by dividing the same work groups. It’s happening all over again with the latinos.
Campaigns are in effect about selling a product - the candidate. Anyone involved in marketing knows how important branding is.
The one advantage McCain has is that he is deeply branded as a straight talking maverick/war hero. Obama, for most Americans, is not well branded. I think this more than anything is going to make this a more difficult campaign to win than it should be given the state of our nation.
Excellent. I totally agree. Right now, the Obamas are viewed as sort of an “objective product”…rather than as “real people with real lives”. That is going to be a big hurdle for his campaign to get over…the “rock star” thing. I’ve been uncomfortable about the media’s portrayal of him that way for awhile. It seemed to get him “known” as a namebrand quickly, but they need to go to the next step and get him accepted as an entity that people could invite into their homes as a friend…something like that. Humanize him. Otherwise, he seems maybe unreachable, untouchable. There is a fine line there.
Good idea. Especially if this work group were sponsored/conducted by and for Democrats/Democratic party, not just Obama. I think more doubting Thomas’s would show up that way.
The last presidential election in GA we had the gay marriage issue and I said the same thing. The government should be involved in Civil Unions since the laws represent rights of inheritence, visitation in hospitals, etc. The ass in the legislature here who introduced the bill had been charged with infidelity in his divorce.
Exactly, and it wouldn’t even have to be by Dem party people. Obama has built a huge working organization using social networking on the internet. He can mobilize people all over the place through this - as facilitators and organizers. He can set the topic(s) and the group can come up with ways to communicate with one another and funnel the ideas up the organization to be combined into a policy paper - or a speech identifying the solutions that people have developed. This involves everyone in the process - and fits Obama’s campaign to a T.
Balloon Juice is reporting that Larry Johnson has really gone off the deep end in his espousing racial hatred. For some people there is no hope.
Can I just say how nice it is to have a real conversation on these issues, too, without a bunch of nasty finger-pointing. Thanks you guys — I really needed that today. :)
Christy, first of all, I think we are so lucky to have coverage like this. Your thought provoking posts are always a kick in the butt and uplifting too. I love it that the buying up of the media led to this fabulous new model of media - better than the original ever was - how ironic! They wanted to stifle information and ideas and it springs up everywhere!
I know the theory, I guess I’m just a little skeptical that it will work in this situation. Many of them will get bombarded with negative sterotypes, emails, etc. from friends that it will become self reinforcing. I just don’t know if surrogates can beat that back enough. Hopefully it can. I just don’t want a GE strategy that requires it to work to have a shot at winning.
Awwww, thanks Carolyn. That’s really sweet of you to say.
My favorite posts are still the Saturday mornings because we all have to take a deep breath. Plus I just bought a small house with several blueberry bushes and I need information on how to care for them. lol
From Think Progress:
Congressional Black Caucus Foundation receives racist Obama t-shirt in the mail.»
It will seem like a long campaign with this kinda crap.
Quote of the day at salon.com War Room from the normally snarky, nay driftglassesque Mark Morford of the SF Chronicle:
For example. Does he always wear a suit? I’ve mostly only ever seen him wear a suit or a bathing suit. Nothing in-between. What does he wear when he’s just hangin’. W and McCain did the BBQ thing…smart move for “them”.
Obama needs to be “seen” as to who he really is when he’s just like all of us…wearing whatever we wear….not a rock star always “on”…but, a person who “hangs”. BBQ for Obama is risky…he’s always going to be portrayed too BBQy or too uppity.
Why can’t he just be seen as who he is when he’s not trying to be “packaged” somehow. The best Obama shot was when he took a day off and was laying out on a lounge chair on a day off reading. JFK…was portrayed sailing…it fit at the time…because that is what he did…Teddy…still sails…that is what they do. What does Obama “do”?
barak obama will not get the democratic bigot and there are plenty of them, he will also not get the republican that wanted to try a democrat on for size but is also a bigot and there are plenty of them as well.
I believe barak wins in a landslide never the less, I believe he has mobilized more voters then his race costs so I think it is a net gain
I think any poll that shows mccain even or ahead of obama is a gamed poll getting ready for election fraud and flipped eclectronic tally