They are comfortable with John McCain. They know him well from all his years of public service. They may not like all of his policies, but they at least think they know what they are getting with him. It was the same for them with Hillary Clinton — who they knew quite well from all of her time as First Lady and in the public spotlight since then.
They don’t feel comfortable with Obama just yet — he has not closed the deal with them. Not just with women, but also with a lot of men here and in PA, OH, FL, MI, and any number of other states. And, last I checked, we needed a number of those states on the electoral college count unless the entire mathematics of elections has changed outright. We may be able to pick up some Western states — and that would be fantastic — but what if we don’t? What if we come down to Ohio again — which is also iffy on a number of levels, including GOP dirty tricks problems in a LOT of counties.
I did a post a while back on "Crossing the Archie Bunker Divide, " and I wanted to revisit it in light of some things that have cropped up. Pam Spaulding had a post on the juxtaposition of a story about Rush Limbaugh belittling Obama and the flying of a ginormous Confederate flag by some yahoo in Florida. If anyone thinks that racial politics is not alive and well, just take a peek at that — and at Dave’s piece on dog whistle memes throughout the primary, then at this piece on a recent radio show digging into the deep-seated racial questions lurking below some of the surface. (And, while I’m thinking of it, what in the hell is Howard Kurtz doing with a headline that refers to Hillary Clinton as "Ho." Jeebus, does the name "Don Imus" ring a frigging bell? Talk about offensive. And his non-apology after being forced to change it is even more insulting.)
Then do yourself an enormous favor and read this post from Rick Perlstein on how far we have come to even get to a point where Barack Obama could be the Democratic nominee:
…When I learned that the papers of Senator Paul Douglas were at the Chicago Historical Society (as it was known then; now it’s cursed with the decidedly more prosaic name the Chicago History Museum), I decided to make Douglas’s 1966 loss to Republican Charles Percy a key case study for my hypothesis. Douglas was a popular liberal lion first elected in 1948 and a civil rights champion, whose wife Emily Taft Douglas (a one-term congresswoman herself) had strode proudly across Edmund Pettus Bridge in 1965 arm in arm with Martin Luther King. He was also, as an economist, one of the architects of many of the New Deal ideas and programs that created the world’s first mass middle class.
In the summer of 1966, as debate over open housing raged in Congress, King marched not in Alabama but in Chicago, to implore the city to enforce its own open housing ordinance, passed in 1963—which, if Chicago did, would be a first. It was the most segregated city in the north. As I put it in NIXONLAND (drawing on this classic study):
You could draw a map of the boundary within which the city’s seven hundred thousand Negroes were allowed to live by marking an X wherever a white mob attacked a Negro. Move beyond it, and a family had to face down a mob of one thousand, five thousand, or even (in the Englewood riot of 1949, when the presence of blacks at a union meeting sparked a rumor the house was to be "sold to niggers") ten thousand bloody-minded whites. In the late 1940s, when the postwar housing shortage was at its peak, you could find ten black families living in a basement, sharing a single stove but not a single flush toilet, in "apartments" subdivided by cardboard. One racial bombing or arson happened every three weeks…. In neighborhoods where they were allowed to "buy" houses, they couldn’t actually buy them at all: banks would not write them mortgages, so unscrupulous businessmen sold them contracts that gave them no equity or title to the property, from which they could be evicted the first time they were late with a payment.
And in 1966, a teenager answering a job ad walked over the border from Chicago into the all-white city of Cicero, and for that sin and no other was beaten to death. That was what Martin Luther King came to fight in Chicago.
At the Chicago History Museum, the Douglas collection covers seven hundred "linear feet"—archivists’ metric for how big a collection would be if you stacked the papers one atop another. And somehow, somewhere, I stumbled upon Box 722, which contained all the letters Senator Paul Douglas received about open housing and Martin Luther King’s presence in Chicago. I quote many of them in a section of NIXONLAND of which I’m most proud, the one with the most original research and historical insights: the one on how "open housing" opened up the conservative backlash that inaugurated the Republican dominance of the politics of our own generation. I’ve always wanted to do a post printing, for the historical record, all the letters I put down in my research notes.
That’s what I’m about to do. They comprise an unmatched emotional history on how the white middle class built by the New Deal learned to vote Republican. And an unmatched marker of how far this nation has come, now that this same city has given us our first African American presidential nominee.
My heart wants to believe that problems for Obama in introducing himself simply have to do with making inroads in areas where he is less well known, in redefining McCain as a flip-flopping, Bush wannabe, and making himself a real, multi-dimensional person who cares about the day-to-day economic and social needs of blue collar folks around the country. But the part of me that has lived too long in the cynical real world worries that, as Rick details, we may have some serious difficulty pushing past the still-festering racial wounds, especially once the Wurlitzer gears up its nasty sideshow.
Sometimes it seems to me that in our echo chamber of progressive blogs we forget altogether that there are a helluva lot more Democrats out there who are not progressive, a lot of whom have been running a lot of local party apparatus since before many of us were born. They are cautious, they need to be wooed — and they aren’t yet feeling the love from the Obama folks. They simply aren’t.
And that is a HUGE problem for all of us if we want to beat McCain in November. Because those people vote — every election — and we may lose them and their efforts. I hear rumors that is about to change, and that Team Obama will be rolling out a lot of outreach to these folks who were, by and large, Clinton supporters, and that Clinton staffers and allies are already helping with this. If this is true, it cannot come soon enough.
Maybe it’s because I live in the heart of the blue collar rust belt and mining belt territory — or that our local Dem organization is fairly old and settled in their ways — but it’s a big problem here and among any number of family members and friends with whom I have spoken who have been staunch Democrats and who just don’t feel comfortable yet that they even know Obama. He needs an intro to these folks — Obama’s recent appearance in Appalachia is a great start. Especially if he keeps coming back the way John Edwards did in the primary and Bobby Kennedy did in 1968. And they need to know he cares about what’s in their hearts, and what isn’t in their wallets after 8 years of George Bush failures. His just announced "Change That Works For You" events are a great start on that economic conversation.
But the honest truth is that he hasn’t sold these folks on a vote for him. And he needs to do so — fast — before McCain’s cronies start their slime machine up and do worse than the already smarmy SPAM e-mails have done. We all know it is coming — it’s a short window of intro honeymoon in the press for Obama, if he gets one at all from the fickle pack. And we do not help him or his campaign by only looking at things through rose-colored glasses of best-case scenario.
Obama’s campaign staff is to be congratulated for running a lean, effective campaign — and for speeches like the one in the YouTube above which rose above the din of idiocy to talk about gut-level issues we all need to hear about and talk about more often. But the general election campaign is a whole new level of calculus. If we don’t have this conversation now, when are we ever going to have it? Would love to know your thoughts on how we move forward from here…together.
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My next-door neighbor here in Chicago opined that the country is ‘not ready’ for a black President.
I refer to my NW Side (Rahm territory) as the buckle of the bungalow belt, where every other house is home to some sort of municipal employee (including Mrs. Mack at one time)
Of course that was a few months back. I keep meaning to check back with him.
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I really don’t know what “feel comfortable” means in this context. We’re electing a President — not choosing a husband.
And what these people think they know about McSame is obviously wrong. I have no more patience with them than I do with their leader — Joe Lieberman.
Go Obama!!!
What if we come down to Ohio again
From my sitting with the Obama legal team on May 6, watching the returns come in, I know that Governor Ted Strickland is on the list of possible V.P. candidates…
Take a peek at Rick Perlstein’s article — it’s a serious walk through a lot of the attitudes from the past (or maybe from right now — it’s so tough to tell because we rarely talk about these issues publicly).
That said, McCain has weakened his straight shooter image and represents a party which used bi-partisan support to engage our nation in a costly unprovoked, unnecessary war.
These factors can sway fence sitters.
He’d have to be — given the neighboring states that would reach into as well, they’d be foolish not to be thinking about him. Interesting that they were musing out loud about it…
Hi. I live in PA, another purple state, and I’m worried about the GE. I’m worried for many of the reasons you mention–and you’re correct, IMHO–but I’m also worried because McCain or some GOP group is already running TV ads here…and they are good.
McShame is basically coopting all of Obama’s talking points, and sounding reasonable while doing so. Point by point we can debunk those ads…but the people they’re directed at are knee-jerk GOPers who don’t much read and definitely don’t do Google searches to find out real info (as opposed to Faux News).
If anybody here has a contact in the Obama camp or the DNC, please urge them to start a TV ad campaign ASAP. My little blue dot will vote Obama, definitely, but we are surrounded by a sea of non-thinking red.
It’s the yes we can vs the no we can’ts.
Seriously, CHS.. Thanks for saying what needs to be said, once again. As an Arkansan, I wholeheartedly agree with you.
The economy is slowing so much that the American people will look for a leader that will lead them back to prosperity. IMO Barack needs to hammer home that the trickle down tax breaks of Bush don’t work. The trickle down theory has never worked. He needs to give the American people something to strive for and all his speeches should begin with the trickle down theory that McCain supports have gotten us into this mess and they don’t work. People still vote with their pocketbook.
Christy, I also meant to mention that this is a great post. Thanks.
Interesting that they were musing out loud about it…
actually, it was more like one guy pulling me over to the side to ask, with a bit of an evil grin, what I thought of Strickland.
The first time I brought it up, I got a round of “we haven’t even started to think about that yet”.
Honestly, as much as I hate the idea, Obama should have Hill as the veep… The veritable ‘Dream Ticket’… Don’t get me wrong, I certainly don’t want her on the ticket, but………
Thanks — Pam Spaulding and I have been batting some of this back and forth privately for ages — how to talk about this without putting people on the defensive especially — because we need to have these conversations. She’s done a number of fantastic posts on racial divide issues this primary season that I’ve been trying to link up to get more conversation going on them.
It’s a really difficult issue for a lot of folks — of all colors — but one that we need to talk about both along racial and also comfort level lines. A lot of the folks that I know who aren’t sure about Obama aren’t folks that I would generally think of as having racial problems for the most part, but there is a discomfort with him that I haven’t been able to pin down, and it puzzles me that he hasn’t closed the deal with them. And I’m wondering what we can all do to help that along well before November.
You might be right but there are other alternatives. Jim Webb has respect with the Appalachian group and seems to connect with middle class voters. He also has the military background that can diffuse McCain’s.
Obama must also be very clear and forceful about what he is FOR – not just what he is against. People want to vote FOR something/someone, not just AGAINST something/someone.
Given the good feeliings these folks have about McSlime, they are going to have to see a really good program that they can believe will actually have results for them.
Although I agree with you, I still think that he needs to hammer home that the tax cuts went to the wealthy. Many folks feel that the 50.00 tax cut they got helped and they are afraid that it’s going to be taken away. What is taken away is their lifestyle.
I’m disappointed to see that Edwards has definitively pulled his name out of consideration…!
I was really happy to hear from someone working with Obama that they are going to start an economics tour — the one that I mention above — in a lot of areas of the country that are having a rough time right now. These are folks who far too often feel utterly forgotten, and it means a lot that he’s making that effort to reach out to them. Especially in talking about what we can all do together to give them a hand up, so that they can do the same for others down the road and for their families.
I certainly don’t want her on the ticket, but………
Yeah, that’s a big “but”. Bring her on, win the damned election, give her the dual jobs of health-care planning, and ram-rodding legislation, and worry about Bill and Hillary’s personal ambitions *after* safely ensconced in the WH.
Hi Christy!!
The Hate Boys are cranking it up, some is plain stupid like Beck & Doughy Pantload – Beck Dons Soviet-Style Hat With Obama ‘08 Logo – but we know worse is just down the road. Also from Think Progress -
Zell Miller, I am sure, will show up too.
I’m old enough to remember it, and I’m still pretty damned scared Christy. Obama and Michele’s courage is breathtaking.
Your post is fantastic.
I’m still really scared…
There’s a monster, living under my bed to this day, because of the events that I witnessed in the 60’s.
Obama is every bit as exceptional as they were….every bit…maybe even more, considering history.
I hope we can somehow get over to people how exceptional the Obamas are. I think they are probably the bravest people I’ve ever seen in my life.
Racism is alive and well and thriving in the darkness.
Godspeed is all I can say.
If anyone can make it…Obama can. Yes he can. He’s very streetwise, and very, very brilliant.
McCain…no…he doesn’t “need” to be brilliant…he just needs to push the buttons of those that suck off the negativity. Electing McCain or appointing McCain or accepting McCain because the voting machines say so…is, quite frankly, completely unacceptable for our country.
The more gas prices rise the more Obama’s stock goes up.
It is the economy, stupid and the economy is only going to get worse. People know they have been had by the trickle down theory.
I wish you could see the McShame ads that are running here…he’s calling for cleaner power (with photos of wind turbines), for example. The ads are really good and we need to start countering them now. Because I can see what he’s trying to do: the reaction here among the GOP will be: well, they’re both calling for the same solutions to our problems and Obama is black.
The GE has begun in PA. We need to hit back, hard, starting YESTERDAY. IMO.
People generally aren’t comfortable with people they don’t know well, especially in company with people they do. In this case, they know McCain (and Hillary) and they don’t know Obama.
While these people may not be racist in the technical way – if they haven’t spent much or any time with anyone of a different race than themselves, that contributes to a comfort level as well. Not racist, just comfort level.
Obama also has some other characteristics that can tend to make people uncomfortable. His education for one. His cosmopolitanism (the fact that he has lived in several countries overseas), and while Obama in person never seems to talk down to people or try to intimidate them with his knowledge, his education, or anything else – if you haven’t been in the same room with him, or know someone who has – these things also contribute to the comfort level we are discussing.
Next, how to get past all this stuff.
I think (I hope) that Obama’s campaign knows that he needs to get into more communities, more face time with medium and smaller groups that are important to these communities so that the message can spread that he’s not an ‘elitist’ and that he is a regular guy.
All I can say is, if Senator Obama loses to Senator Flipflop on account of his race, then I think it would be safe to conclude that this country will have stability serious problems to get over before its ready to confront its own inevitably brown future. I think that’s probably the point at which we would need to start thinking seriously about California’s longterm future.. whether we as a state are prepared to go down with a unreparably racially and ethnically divided country. I hope it does not come to that.
Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) told Fox News Radio that it was “a good question” to ask if Obama is “a Marxist,” though he said he would “hesitate” to call him one himself.
What a lovable scamp that Joe is, huh?
It’s hard to get super excited by any politician who gets that far. It seems that they have made plenty of deals with the devil(s) along the way.
I don’t think in this case experience is the deciding factor. Mc made be old, but I can’t think of much he’s done in all those years.
I rather care for someone who is smart, ethical and surrounds him or herself with smart, ethical people. Bush proved that anyone with a sub 100 IQ can be president for even 8 years… but then he was the worst there ever was.
What you are going to see is the pandering begin to try to curry favor with all sorts of groups. The AIPAC bit was a perfect example.
We don’t an zionist state with secure borders and a Palestinian one along side, we need a single state where all the people can live with mutual respect. When you hear this sucking up to the Israel lobby you see the absence of rational thought at work and pandering on steriods. But that’s what pols do and until there is a one state solution over there we will have this killing and nonsense.
It’s no different than not recognizing Cuba or doing an economic boycott to those people. Sheer stupidity and meaness.
People think they know McCain well because of all his years of public service. We seem to learn more each day about how different he really is from his public persona. It’s not pretty.
I Live in Pa, too. The economy is going to overwhelm many of the problems Obama has. I agree he has to connect, but I don’t see him in a red checked flannel back slapping. I think his core values will come through, and people will come to believe he is the key to their better future.
Also, McCain IMHO has slipped dramatically from 2K. I think he loses everytime he is seen live. There is no shelter in the spotlight for a very old, very average intellect with anger issues. There will be daily gaffs that no longer get covered up.
My sentiments exactly… Other than ‘Fourth Branch’ Darth’s rule, the Veep slot is pretty innocuous…
Thanks for this post. It was a difficult read for me, but I guess I need it. I have given people advice in the past on how to be broad minded and see things from the other point of view, and not be strident. But right now I cannot do it, and seem to have forgotten how.
Look, I grew up in a white working class family out in the country side, I remember watching the sun come up countless after working a few hours before dawn. I worked many times in the fall long after the sun went down. Sometimes on a farm you work at the damnedest darkest coldest hours or the late night and very early morning.
So, I feel like I have no need to cater to some of these working class white folk who have revealed their serious racial and gender bigotry.
This was a good primary for the Democrats in that we had three major candidates from three different backgrounds who showed they could break through some long standing barriers. But it was depressing in that it has revealed extensive retarded and vicious and frightening sexism and racism that still exists in this country.
I feel like yelling at some of these foolish white people. I feel like saying “Look, I am from you people, but I decided not to stay an ^%$#!! ignorant bigoted loser. So, I will tell you what, I don’t feel sorry for you, I thnk you should maybe pull up your socks, learn some stuff, and not be a self destructive ignorant fool.”
Somehow, in some way, I do sense that is not the right approach. So I will read FDL for advice on how to handle it, since I seem to have forgotten the knack of it. I will be going home to my ancestral stomping grounds in rural CA where these kinds of retrograde attitudes are still common, but will hold my tongue this trip, lest I simply do harm to the good cause.
I think if he seems to upitty they will off him. Imagine the hell that would follow such a heinous act.
The ads are really good and we need to start countering them now….
I don’t terribly mind seeing the cash-strapped McCain campaign burn money five months out
It would be satisfying to see Lieberman’s political life go up in flames.
Me too, because the more they see Barack and the more they hear his message, the less race will play into it. The repubs will start hammering home that Barack will take away their extra 50.00 a year in tax cuts and it’s imperative for him to stop it. The American people need to wake up and realize that a strong middle class is important to all. We are a consumer based economy and from the Retail Sales, that is sorely lacking. We are not a Stock Market based economy which is what Bush has been feeding into.
I wish we could be like the republicans and just make something up and get the media to repeat it over and over again for us. Like the last election was all about Kerry being a coward, this election could focus entirely on McCain’s homosexuality.
Amen.
I have been stating that for a while now.
Hang the econmic mess around McSames neck along with his oneness with GW’s economic disaster policies.
Between now and November it isn’t going to get any better no matter what the cheerleaders in the MSM say.
BTW, that is exactly why GW senior got hammered in his reelection bid.
Great post Christy! We have come a long way but we still have a long before racism and inequality are vanquished and everyone truly cares about strangers and even neighbors…. But we have come along way since I was young.
the same Sen Joe said the other day that he hopes to see China (a dictatorship, albeit a slightly less than evil one) take an active role in promoting democracy in Myanmar (an allied, and totally evil dictatorship). He actually used that word, democracy. The man is not only perverse. He’s genuinely clueless.
But how many people here in PA were watching the McShame greenscreen speech? Versus the ads that run every newshour (and yesterday, at least, I think they were running every twenty minutes during the news)?
the Veep slot is pretty innocuous…
After the Darth regime, the Veep slot will never return to innocuous imo. The Veep slot is now available to be imbued with whatever amount of power a president should choose.
Yet he appears more clued-in than McCain so often.
I also think that Barack has to correct the bitter comments. He could turn that to his advantage, imo, if he said that what he meant is the repubs can only run on guns and religion because that’s all they have left. He might mention that he’s bitter because the last election they made sure to highlight gay marriage and family values. Well they never did define what they meant by family values.
Beer O:clock, finally!
have a good one pups!
On the issue of pandering, I saw an excellent post at another site and copied it for you here – it’s about reading between the lines, or framing as it were:
I think that we need to be careful of jumping to negative conclusions about speeches that Obama gives – because this is just one example of where using proper and “new” frames – thinking outside the box kind of stuff – can allow him, and us, to re-set the tone and the attitude of this campaign.
No offense: but you don’t understand the mentality here. Our House rep is Joe Pitts: and he’s not going to be removed from office anytime soon because the GOPers who continually vote for him actually LIKE chimpy&co.
Obama has to leap over a huge bar here. Part of it is racial–but only part.
Ironically, although I was born in a white middle class household, I was reared here in Hawaii as a ‘minority’, my Sis and I were the only two ha’oles in our high school… And, I’ve traveled a lot… I’ve a different perspective on life…! ;-)
Yet he appears more clued-in than McCain so often.
Is that why he’s always standing beside McCain? (two half-wits, together, add up to…?)
Did anybody hear the story today at Wonkette and other places that Obama and HRC actually were at a Bilderberger meeting last night? I actually hope it is true…because if it is true…if Obama was “accepted” by the “powers that be”…because like it or not…there are powers that be. That is a good thing as far as anything sinister happening to him. It does not mean that he is not what he says he is or anything like that…it means that they will protect him. Just sayin’. The Bilderberger group is powerful and they met last night…and Obama disappeared for awhile from the press…from the very plane he was on in the close vicinity of their meeting, which created fury amongst the press traveling with him. It makes sense that that international group would want to meet him, etc.
I live in Tom Price’s district in Ga but when the opportunity arises, I still point out that I can’t support him because I believe in a strong middle class.
I see racism even in saying Obama has a race problem. Who could ever claim to be more biracial, to have more transcended old outdated racial stereotypes than Obama. I mean that biologically, socially, professionally, geographically in terms of where he grew up, different culters he has been exposed to and learned from.
Yet some people. in fact, many many people, decide to force things into these old stupid racial stereotypes, that don’t apply. There is supposed to be this ‘racial’ problem, and he is officially something different that people will not accept. And it is *his* problem, not ours, we we are supposed to worry about now *he* will he deal with it.
Can people not see how unfair and racis and silly it all is? Right now it makes me feel almost physically ill simply to think about it.
Uh-oh, you’re not headed out to go bar-hopping, eh? ;-)
Well, at least one of them has half a brain – the other, I’m not so sure…
Hillary and Barack met at Dianne Feinstein’s house last night for an hour. Just the two of them chatting in the room — no staff, security outside, Feinstein out of the room as well. They issued a joint statement after the meeting.
KO is reporting on it right now…! ;-)
I have the same issue — with this and with same sex couple issues as well — because I don’t see the issues personally. But I’ve learned that what I may not personally be feeling may be something someone else feels very strongly about…having had friends come out to parents and then go through hell, or when my college roommate (who was a black woman) got chased out of a Dominos pizza in the middle of the day because the manager thought she and her boyfriend were trying to rob it, when they were just picking up their lunch. (And this in very liberal MA, so it’s everywhere.) We can’t look at best case scenario — we need to look at all the contingencies to make this work for November. Painful though it may be…
Shining the light on racism is crucial for our country. How to get people to be compassionate to all people and give up the bigotry…Well…most people have some form of compassion somewhere. Personally, I don’t think the problem is with the people…the problem is with those with power. Those that feel that they will lose their investment of power. They are the dangerous ones to our democracy, because they are dictatorial and ruthless. They are the ones that need to be continually exposed.
I grew up in inner city Irish Catholic Boston and things were certainly us vs them back then. From religion to race to right down to what neighborhood you lived in. It was us verses Them mentality. Boy have I learned a lot in my life time and I am happy I have:>)
Sorry, I don’t automatically believe what the MSM tells me. That much I’ve learned in my life. I like to keep an open mind, otherwise I would believe that we went to war because of WMDs. Just sayin’. Leave no stone unturned.
I think a lot of people get to be more compassionate about this and so many other issues because they get to know someone who is facing them. I know that has been true when people we have known found out that another friend was gay, for example — or when people have gotten to know an Arabic background co-worker a lot better.
It goes from “them” to “us” in the mind, and then…voila!…that difference doesn’t seem so vast.
My father-in-law(since deceased) from MA, was very bigoted, fortunately my wife never was…! ;-)
Not to be pessimistic, but I am not sure how much he can accomplish in the short time before the GE making people who are so disinclined to support him. It seems these voters, will need such catering too (and I am not trying to be disrespectful with the use of that word, just realistic) that I think it might be wasted resources. He can’t possible meet with every rural community in the nation before November. And it seems that is was it might take, and then not even be a sure thing.
I support him visiting Appalachia as an effort and to make the point that he will be a President for all Americans, but I think realistically most of his resources should be made in states that he has a real shot in. Overall message will be imporant (e.g economic issues), but will not be enough. Those with communities only partially resistant to him and with electoral signifiance to his strategy should be a focus. Ohio, MI, PA – yes, Virginia – yes, Indiana – yes, and a few others. But no offense to WV and Kentucky and several others but he doesn’t stand a chance there. I think he has to get elected first and then show those voters that they can trust them and maybe he can win their votes for his second term. I just think it will take more time than we have to try to solve their “uncomfortableness” with him in many regions.
Maybe start a series of work-groups in each community around an issue that hits home for all sub-groups.
Bring all these people together to brainstorm solutions for a common problem – and they all find out they have that same thing in common – plus the experience of working together to try to solve things instead of just blaming.
Heh, I was ‘them’ for awhile until I made some true friends…!
He doesn’t have to meet with everyone. In community organizing, the first thing you do is identify certain individuals in a neighborhood/community. These individuals are the ones that are kind of the backbone of the group – they are the ones who talk a lot and whose opinions are respected. Those individuals are invited to a meet & greet. THEY will spread the word.
On the otherhand, a Republican lead California Supreme Court ruled on the constitutionality of same-sex marriage in a positive way, and now the majority political party of this country has selected a man of color as its candidate. Yes, things can go backwards but at the moment they are going forward.
Yes, thanks for feeling my pain. With same sex marriage, yeah, I have the same problem with many friends and relatives back home. I feel like telling those people to grow up and stuff it.
On same sex marriage, I believe state should junk the marriage thing altogether. Separation of church and state, so if the state is doing anyting with sectarian relgious overtones, why not junk it? You go to court to sign some papers to take care of legal stuff, and if you want to get ‘married’ find yourself a church. Some of my gay friends in the Bay Area have real problems with my prefered solution, and we argue. But at least it is a calm and civil argument. Many of ‘my people’ back home just go batsh*t crazy over the topic, and I am tired of their nonsense.
But, you are right in your post, just yelling back is not a good approach.
So, for now, I will veg out and be cool, unitl I can say something nice.
You should read Diane McWhorter’s book “Carry Me Home” about Birmingham, AL. She won a pulitzer years ago. She speaks to the corporations causing unrest because they get cheaper labor by dividing the same work groups. It’s happening all over again with the latinos.
Campaigns are in effect about selling a product – the candidate. Anyone involved in marketing knows how important branding is.
The one advantage McCain has is that he is deeply branded as a straight talking maverick/war hero. Obama, for most Americans, is not well branded. I think this more than anything is going to make this a more difficult campaign to win than it should be given the state of our nation.
Excellent. I totally agree. Right now, the Obamas are viewed as sort of an “objective product”…rather than as “real people with real lives”. That is going to be a big hurdle for his campaign to get over…the “rock star” thing. I’ve been uncomfortable about the media’s portrayal of him that way for awhile. It seemed to get him “known” as a namebrand quickly, but they need to go to the next step and get him accepted as an entity that people could invite into their homes as a friend…something like that. Humanize him. Otherwise, he seems maybe unreachable, untouchable. There is a fine line there.
Good idea. Especially if this work group were sponsored/conducted by and for Democrats/Democratic party, not just Obama. I think more doubting Thomas’s would show up that way.
The last presidential election in GA we had the gay marriage issue and I said the same thing. The government should be involved in Civil Unions since the laws represent rights of inheritence, visitation in hospitals, etc. The ass in the legislature here who introduced the bill had been charged with infidelity in his divorce.
Exactly, and it wouldn’t even have to be by Dem party people. Obama has built a huge working organization using social networking on the internet. He can mobilize people all over the place through this – as facilitators and organizers. He can set the topic(s) and the group can come up with ways to communicate with one another and funnel the ideas up the organization to be combined into a policy paper – or a speech identifying the solutions that people have developed. This involves everyone in the process – and fits Obama’s campaign to a T.
Balloon Juice is reporting that Larry Johnson has really gone off the deep end in his espousing racial hatred. For some people there is no hope.
Can I just say how nice it is to have a real conversation on these issues, too, without a bunch of nasty finger-pointing. Thanks you guys — I really needed that today. :)
Christy, first of all, I think we are so lucky to have coverage like this. Your thought provoking posts are always a kick in the butt and uplifting too. I love it that the buying up of the media led to this fabulous new model of media – better than the original ever was – how ironic! They wanted to stifle information and ideas and it springs up everywhere!
I know the theory, I guess I’m just a little skeptical that it will work in this situation. Many of them will get bombarded with negative sterotypes, emails, etc. from friends that it will become self reinforcing. I just don’t know if surrogates can beat that back enough. Hopefully it can. I just don’t want a GE strategy that requires it to work to have a shot at winning.
Awwww, thanks Carolyn. That’s really sweet of you to say.
My favorite posts are still the Saturday mornings because we all have to take a deep breath. Plus I just bought a small house with several blueberry bushes and I need information on how to care for them. lol
From Think Progress:
Congressional Black Caucus Foundation receives racist Obama t-shirt in the mail.»
It will seem like a long campaign with this kinda crap.
Quote of the day at salon.com War Room from the normally snarky, nay driftglassesque Mark Morford of the SF Chronicle:
For example. Does he always wear a suit? I’ve mostly only ever seen him wear a suit or a bathing suit. Nothing in-between. What does he wear when he’s just hangin’. W and McCain did the BBQ thing…smart move for “them”.
Obama needs to be “seen” as to who he really is when he’s just like all of us…wearing whatever we wear….not a rock star always “on”…but, a person who “hangs”. BBQ for Obama is risky…he’s always going to be portrayed too BBQy or too uppity.
Why can’t he just be seen as who he is when he’s not trying to be “packaged” somehow. The best Obama shot was when he took a day off and was laying out on a lounge chair on a day off reading. JFK…was portrayed sailing…it fit at the time…because that is what he did…Teddy…still sails…that is what they do. What does Obama “do”?
barak obama will not get the democratic bigot and there are plenty of them, he will also not get the republican that wanted to try a democrat on for size but is also a bigot and there are plenty of them as well.
I believe barak wins in a landslide never the less, I believe he has mobilized more voters then his race costs so I think it is a net gain
I think any poll that shows mccain even or ahead of obama is a gamed poll getting ready for election fraud and flipped eclectronic tally
He likes to play basketball. One fo the best interviews I’ve seen with him about that was on Real Sports on HBO — don’t know if there is a clip available of that or not…
But isn’t that already the case? completing the paperwork is not optional (where ever it is done) if you are to be considered married – but a church service is.
I don’t know if it’s worth it for the Obama campaign to spend much time and energy in Appalachia. I’m not worried about PA because the Rendell/Nutter machine won that state for Clinton in the primary race, and it can win it for Obama in Nov. Other than that, I think resources are better spent in Michigan, Iowa, Virginia, North Carolina, Georgia, New Mexico and Colorado. McCain can have Florida and Ohio.
Bob Barr is polling at 8 percent in Georgia. Between the AA voters and the latte sippers, it’s in play for Obama. Same with NC.
So, Michelle and Barack’s fist bump (which I did not see, BTW) was really a terrorist signal of some kind?
We will have to yell back, and loudly, about some nonsense.
When to be understanding, assuage and persuade, and when to yell. The forces of progress and sanity will have to as wise as serpents and innocent as doves over the next six months.
Not sure where that doves and serpents saying comes from exactly. sounds like it might be subversive. I wunner who said it.
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Fox News’ E.D. Hill teased discussion of Obama dap: “A fist bump? A pound? A terrorist fist jab?”
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806060007
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A few nights ago, I caught a troll spinning what I thought to be a few incorrect yet new to me anti Obama spins.. It was very late and I didn’t want to end up lost in google but I didn’t want to let the comment go without a reply.. So I copied it and went to the Obama blog ( it’s massive!) and asked for their help. Well, three out of four replies left me feeling like a clubbed baby seal. The defenses were so high, many could not allow themselves to see I was asking for help.
Maybe these “groups” could be a sort of, The truth about your candidate and your party, meeting.
Chooch, it doesn’t have to be the only thing – just one of many ideas. The Obama campaign has already been doing a lot of different things at once – and Obama does have a good, very effective background in community organizing (one of the experience things overlooked by everyone).
The “natural helpers” as they are called – aren’t likely to be subjected to a lot of crap – mostly because as I said – they are well-respected in their communities.
For instance, in California where I used to live, in the Hispanic community in a town next to mine, I became friends with a woman I’ll call “Maria” (not her real name). She was considered a matriarch of that community, and if she had an opinion on something, people in her community listened. They may not have agreed, and they may not have done what she thought, but they listened. That’s all we need.
Did you see the youtube of him playing basketball?
I’m sneaking off to this conversation while making dinner so I’m not up with comments, will read them later tonite.
But I do want to say that we need to understand that we are the party. Unity and healing does not need to come from top down. We need to find our common goals and team up, and be very careful of devisive language. All of us.
Christy, What do you think would help?
Obama’s path to victory may be the west:
“A new Gallup Poll summary of surveys taken in May shows Obama winning 62% of Latino registered voters nationwide, compared with just 29% for McCain. Others have found a wide gap as well. The pro-Democratic group Democracy Corps compiled surveys from March through May that showed Obama with a 19-point lead among Latinos. And a Times poll published last month showed Obama leading McCain among California Latinos by 14 points.”
http://www.latimes.com/news/la…..6654.story
Uh-oh, you ended up being clubbed for being a troll…? Tsk, tsk… They know not what they do…! ;-)
Brad Freidman has graphic story of VOTER FRAUD. It is as Republicans feared – Ann Coulter’s Felony Voter Fraud: The Complete Story The Brad Blog
Agree with that wholeheartedly, Carolyn. We’ve tried very hard to keep this blog conversational, even on evenings when emotions were running high, there was still alot of pushback at nastiness. Because, at the end of the day, we ought to recognize first and foremost that most of us have the same hopes and dreams and goals toward which we are all working. If we can’t treat each other with some respect, no matter who individuals were supporting, then honestly what in the hell are we doing? I have had an incredible amount of difficulty understanding the personal invective levelled at any of the candidates this time around — because, in my mind, the Dem candidates were so far and away ahead of where the GOP field started that it wasn’t even close.
I don’t understand it. Still don’t.
Yes. Exactly. Those are those “glimpses” where we see his human vulnerability…just having fun…
Bowling…well, I thought that was kind of endearing, but he was a fish out of water. No bowling..*g*
It needs to be “his” thing…not ours…not the media’s…just what does he do for fun. See, McBush can BBQ and it comes off, because he “likes” to BBQ.
Obama needs to appeal via an energy of what he “likes” to do..not all the handler packaging.
That is how people can view the essence of the person…all humans relate to that on some level. Even really racially prejudiced people change when they find that “thing” that is common and where they can connect. That’s what I’m trying to say. I’m tryin’ anyway…*g*, because I really don’t want to hand this election to McRib because of stupid “marketing”.
He wore khakis and a white shirt with the sleeves rolled up a lot in Iowa while campaigning there. Now that the warm weather has returned, we will probably see more of that. I am usually against the whole “wardrobe” change argument though. I think people are more authentic in what they normally wear (which in his case is usually suits). He can do the khakis, but I’m not sure he should start pandering and wearing blue jeans 24/7. It might look forced. Remember the Al Gore wardrobe drama. Fox news would attack him for it. Their whole strategy is to make seem like a fraud. He needs to be consistent.
As Always has been and it sure does change your outlook people and life it self. Why go around hating people just because, such a wast of time and energy you can use for better purposes!
jumping in late here, and please excuse for blogwhoring my first evah post, We Haz Change In Teh Air. My daughter was at Obama’s speech on Tuesday night with my 50+yr-old baby sister. Lots of older blue-class white folk there according to local sources. I agree with those who say Obama doesn’t have a racial problem, he has an Appalachian problem.
Time for another poo-flinging post…? One last hurrah…? *g*
Does anyone know of archives of those smarmy SPAM e-mails that are publicly accessible?
I think the town hall type meetings are helpful. I think reaching out to leaders who supported Hillary and asking their advice would be a great thing to do, especially for PA, OH, and other bigger states with diverse populations — so that stylistically you really can’t get to a one size fits all terrain there.
But, most of all, I think Obama’s team needs to find ways to introduce him all over again to the country. Whether it’s through ads, or carefully chosen interviews, or whatever. But also, find folks who know him and or who have benefitted from his work as a community organizer or otherwise — that would be an effective commercial, to bring in someone to talk about the difference Obama’s work made in their family’s life. That’s powerful.
Ultimately, we need to all get to know him. Not just some media image, but who he is and what he wants at his core. I felt like we had that with John and Elizabeth Edwards — partly because we had two election cycles with them talking about issues. I don’t feel that with Obama yet, not so much for me, but from other people who are lower information types in terms of following the news. We have to get something other than those smarmy SPAM hate e-mails and crap on the table. And fast…
When we covered his speech the other day from the SEIU convention, one of the best things he did was to talk about the home health care worker with whom he spent the day — and how her positive attitude in doing an incredibly tough job was something he turned back to time and time again when the campaign trail got rough. It was a wonderful, very human glimpse of him. More of that would be fantastic.
Found it.
Obama plays basketball
Oh, I loved that one.
I agree. It’s a “dressers” dilemma.
Khaki = Ivy league, uppity.
Jeans = punk, fake.
Suit = Farrakhan
Suit = Statesman
What to do? A frikkin’ kilt? Geez.
I’ve been very displeased with Obama from my early pre-ban days at
ClosedMindsOpenLeft. At that time so was Stoller and the site was filled with long arguments about him.Essential problem is not that he’s black. It’s that he ran what over at D/L we called, and still do, an empty vessel campaign. By not defining who he was he was able to get a lot of people on his bus by appealing to their emotions sans issues. This clearly worked..for the primary.
I’ve made my decision about the guy’s character and it’s not a good one.
But….
That’s just me. I really think Obama has left it too late, of course that’s Hillary’s fault as we will be told repeatedly, but by not articulating a platform and speaking to the needs of the citizenry until now he’s allowed McSame to start the ‘defining of Obama….’
Can’t get too upset about this as I was screaming for months that the good Senator needed to say who he is and what he stands for using his own words from the stump only to be told by the genius’s of the ’sphere such as Bowers, KId Oakland etc. that I was an idiot….that Obama has his platform on his website….yadda and yadda.
Folks the voters are not dumb. Misinformed yes, prejudiced…we all are that, racist….yup some are…and to win you’ve got to put yourself and your plans on the line, on the stump your mouth to their ear.
Hearin’ is believin’. Dig?
Everything said by Christy in this post has been common knowledge re: McSame’s approach to this campaign for months.
Up to Obama to show his stuff right now. No waiting, no messing and….
No blaming Hillary. He wanted the nomination. He got it. Show us what you got, pal.
When I hear people say “I don’t know Obama,” I say “Read his book!” The first one – Dreams from My Father – tells you who, exactly, he is.
Weeks ago I suggested he put (his own) pen to paper and conduct a series os speeches on the Constitution.. I would love to see him do this as a manner of reintroduction. ANd it would really bring home the differences in both him and what’s wrong with the GOP.
That home care video was incredible. I thought that was exactly it…Human, caring. You nailed it.
There’s a cute YouTube up that talks about most of the smarmy spam email smears. I’lll see if I can find the link again. It shows a comment like “I heard Obama is a Muslim” and it’s followed with a short video clip of Trinity UCC. This is his church – a Christian Church. “But I heard he was a secret Muslim”. If he was a secret Muslim, why would he pick “This Guy” picture of Wright – to be his pastor? And so on. It was very effectively done. Unfortunately – it was a response to the Hillary campaign so some of the oppo stuff was pointed at her – but I think it could easily be remade with that kind of info about McSlime instead.
Thanks Christy, You should forward your comments to the campaign.
I don’t know about archives, but snopes.com has a section answering most of the email allegations. The problem is that by the time they are widespread enough to get pushback they have already traveled around the country.
I already have — several times. *g* But maybe I’ll send them around again…
Thanks for this thoughtful post, Christy. Dugg!
He seems to have a talent for being at ease whoever he is with – and making the other person at ease as well.
Obama needs a theme song. Perhaps Bob Dylan will write it now that he has endorsed Obama. Something really powerful and connecting.
Obama needs to be very careful about portraying himself in a packaged way. Certainly did nothing for Kerry – hunting, indeed. People need to get to know what he stands for and what he wants to do with and for our country. There are people who don’t even know someone of another race and that’s fine with them. They think “other”, “not like me” and we are not going to be able to stop that. I am white and I want him elected so badly it’s like an ache inside of me. To those who are beyond redemption, we will have to say “he’s black – get over it.”
It’s going to be tough for him to deal with that since ‘an Appalachian problem….’ is relates to class. The issue which ‘dare not speak’ in America today. He fumbled that pretty badly in SF and I really doubt he will take it on.
Nothing in particular against him for that but his handlers would not be pleased to see him speaking out ala Edwards.
Do you think?
There was a story on BBC that he is going with Stevie Wonder’s Signed, Sealed, Delivered.
I think that is a fantastic idea. Mind if I pass that along, too?
Marie Roget shared Si se Puede Cambiar, which is the greatest hit ever in my 5th grade class.
Not suggesting that this should be Obama’s theme song, but it sure is powerful with my Latino Spanish speaking kids…
Please!
That’s been his theme song through most of the primary — his speech closer, if you will. They have varied his speech opener, sometimes using “Beautiful Day” like they did the other day (not certain about that choice, since Kerry used it to, but the chorus on that is pretty damned uplifting…). But “Signed, Sealed, Delivered” I think is one of his favorite songs — and it’s kicky, so it’s a good one for crowds, too.
I saw him close up in Austin….he jogged up the ramp right out into the huge 22,000 crowd…right out there…my stepdaughter shook his hand…he’s something else, I’m tellin’ ya. Something else.
The power of Braveheart personified.
I figured that if he could do that…I was witnessing something incredible..I’ll never forget it..ever…even if McDummy wins (spit).
That’s not really what I mean. I’m thinking something more along the emotional line. Pain, hope, humans working together…AMERICA!
Yes, it is a sensitive issue, but i think if anyone has the oratorical gift to get people to face it, it’s Obama. Don’t know if he will or not …
I don’t think Obama has “handlers” in the same way we think of other candidates having them. For one – his campaign is so different from anything we’ve ever seen before – and I don’t think that is due to his handlers – it’s Obama all the way, all the time.
So, yes, he muffed that thing in SF. But I don’t believe he’ll back away from it – it seems more like he would be out there eager to lay it to rest – whatever that takes.
Obama plays basketball
ahh, an area that I *know*. He looks pretty smooth, but he’s releasing his jump shot too low – right at face level – that’ll get a few swatted back right at ya. He looks like an athlete though.
BTW Brooks and Shields on the NewsHour today were particularly noxious. Brooks managed to worm in that McCain is stronger on national security, especially now that he has been proved right about Iraq and that Americans agree with him on Iraq. The ever supine Shields opined that Obama had flip flopped on an undivided Jerusalem being the capital of Israel just like McCain had flip flopped on spying on Americans. I hate to burst his bubble but extra-Constitutional government spying is about a million times worse. But this is what you get with these guys, the Beltway conventional wisdom, and we all know how right that has been anytime the last 7 years.
Apparently he plays basketball with his campaign staff as a way to relax between campaign stops and appearances. He doesn’t claim to be a really good player – but he does enjoy it.
One thing about Obama…
He’s really got the “float like a butterfly, sting like a bee” down.
That is why I think he can do this. He’s somethin’ else. He knows what he’s doing.
Yes he can!!
McCain was ‘proved right’????? On what? I haven’t heard a single thing he has ever said about Iraq that he was right about – or hasn’t flip=flopped at least a dozen times on.
Well I have a suggestion for a McCain theme song: Steve Winwood’s Can’t Find My Way Home or would that be too age-ist?
That could be a good idea. I also think it should help with his “patriotism” problem. He should include a line in his speeches something like “one of the reasons I love this country so much is that it was created by us. Our basic values mean everything to me. When people question my patriotism I can only say “If I don’t love my country why did I spend much of my professional life studying and teaching the constitution”.
He doesn’t claim to be a really good player – but he does enjoy it.
heck, he looked a lot better than I had expected. I liked, that in the interview, he said his jumper wasn’t his strength -but that he could take it to the hole on anybody.
Now that reminds me of someone…hmmm… oh – me!
It’s just standard operating procedure for Republicans. Repeat the same old narrative, secure in the knowledge that you are never going to be called on it.
Ending with, “Are we a nation of laws, or Bush league men?” /s
Can’t like to the ‘mythbuster’ video – it’s been pulled down – probably because it went after Hillary on a few things and we don’t need that anymore…
Wow your daughter is a cutie and she wrote a great account of her adventures at the Rally. Some thing she will never forget and will be telling her grandkids in the future!!! And yes my mother in law today said she hooping and a Hollering during Obama’s speech from the xcel( She is from there)so it seems there is indeed a fresh wind in the air for changing government and giving it back to the peopls!
Did anyone mention to Brooks that Applebees doesn’t have a salad bar? *g*
Sorry, I forgot. GOP Rule #1 – anything that comes out of their mouth, the exact opposite is true.
Ending with, “Are we a nation of laws, or
Bush league menBushwhackers?” /sFixed for you!!!
Well, they still think that if they repeat it enough, it will turn out to be true…!
Evenin’ all !
Nice to have you here on a Friday night, Christy.
In sports, they say the best defense is a great offense and Obama has to get out front and drive the message. He is already an effective counter- puncher, more so than Gore & Kerry.
What will decide this race is how strongly every Dem goes out and campaign as if they’re 5 points down … right up ’til the last day. I think his 50- state strategy, which meshes with Howard Dean’s strategy is going to be huge. That and the voter drives both BO and Hillary have excelled at.
The thing is…McCain’s crew thinks that their candidate doesn’t have to “do” much of anything…just be a fatherly white man…
The other thing is that Obama has everything it takes to overcome that crap. Obama is eons more intelligent than McBush. He is also eons more superior as an opponent.
It is his ability to side-step the Neocon slings that is so impressive…nobody knows where he’s coming from next. He pivots and attacks (per jane)….
That is our hope.
I’m still afraid…but…if anyone can get out there and fight off the Neocon oppression in a smart way…he can.
He’s on top of it.
That was hilarious. Man who has obviously never been to an Applebee’s, trying to paint the other guy as the elitist.
Thank you for this post and thread, Christy!
Aloha, Dood! I see that “Hockey Town’ is home once again for the Stanley Cup…!
Fabulous post, Christy. Hope the Obama campaign is taking notes.
BTW as I said earlier crude oil ended the week at $138.54/bbl so my advice to folks is probably to fill up this evening if you are going out because the price of gasoline could well spike in the next day or two depending on how and when your local distributors do their price changes. Oh yes, and as I said earlier, we are so screwed.
Listening now. I love that song.
I’m thinking something brand new. Like Obama is.
Here is one thing everyone can use. It’s about framing. Lakoff and others have discovered that repeating a smear phrase and inserting the word “not” in it actually reinforces the person’s belief in the smear.
For instance: Obama is a Muslim.
If you say: Obama is not a Muslim – their brain only hears Obama is ___ a Muslim – thereby reinforcing it.
SO.. to debunk, say Obama is a committed Christian. This changes the sentence meaning for the hearer completely and sets a new frame into their mind.
I think the best thing we can do it try to anticipate smears – like the Larry Johnson one he keeps screaming about, and take a bit of time to reframe it in a positive, non-reinforcing of the smear, way and then do as the Rethugs do – repeat, repeat and repeat.
Do it ES would never mind! And it is a great idea!!
That tells a story, huh?!
They were unbelievable this year, including the backup Goalie who came in when Hasek faltered.
Largest single day spike, evah! Serious f*ckery is afoot…
oh man – tornado sirens about an hour ago – now the sky is turning several different shades of scary.
It’s becoming “Friday Night
FightsTorndado’s” around here…Obama came from practically nowhere to take on the most formidable Democratic machine of our time and a candidate with 100% name recognition, a built-in base within the party, by far the most money and the media largely behind her.
And he won. Remember, just as much as Hillary lost, Obama won. Underestimating him would be a mistake. If you look at his appearance today in VA with Webb he hit exactly the right notes and was heavy on economic policy and specifics. And there were 10,000 people listening.
Obama knows exactly what he has to overcome in this election. I can’t help but feel that he already has a plan to do that, as well.
Late to the party.
Thanks for the post, Christy. And a big thanks for all the heavy lifting through an overly long and brutal primary season.
Larry Johnson has proven himself to be an idjiot.
Hunker down, Bro…! 8-(
Stay safe, Dood !
Here In RWC Cali the price at one station yesterday $4.45 and the other was $4.29 and today they both are at $4.35 go figure and I agree we are sooo fucked with this energy shit!
Jayt. I’m with you!! Do what you have to do!!
Was there ever a doubt ?
True, but there are still people out there who will listen. Why? Because he is yelling and yelling and the crap he’s spewing is titillating so they’ll listen a little more ‘just to see what’s happening’ and pretty soon, the repetition has placed that negative frame in their mind. Which was the whole point.
This isn’t about being rational and thinking things through – it is all emotion.
thanks. Last Friday I pretty much just ignored it – only to find out the next morning that the east side of town was seriously torn up. “looks like a war-zone” was the most common description.
I’m keeping my eye on this one…
A long time ago, I fell for his crappola…
He’s less than an amoeba in my humble opinion.
End of the week positioning for the weekend, the price had been sliding slightly because there were some Congressional hearings but when speculators realized nobody was going to do anything they came roaring back. In those hearings it was pointed out that the very investment banks that are
hypingpredicting $150/bbl oil are precisely the players who have taken long positions that it will. Surprise, I know.Yell louder!!
Jayt. I’m with you!! Do what you have to do!!
Thanks.
As your attorney, I advise you to begin drinking heavily.
(Fear and Loathing in
Las VegasIndianapolis.The real disappointment was Joe Wilson’s articles on HuffPo …
Came through South Bend around 4:30, followed by a T-storm, now just high winds, but more to come.
I think HRC is far and away the best choice for VP.
She has enormous momentum already built up. She and Bill can also raise a lot of money and counter JoLie in the NE and Florida. If it’s not HRC, it absolutely has to be a woman who is 100% European American.
Take good care, Jayt.
My daughter is in Noblesville, my son is in Meridian Kessler. Hope they’re OK.
I’m on my former SIL’s mom’s email spam list. She is constantly passing along the smear emails about Obama. I finally had it and started responding. She sent me three of them in one day. I replied = in big red letters – to each specious charge, telling the truth and carefully using the framing I talked about and sent them all back – to her and her entire email list.
I got back the first actual, non-forwarded email I’ve had from her in over a year.
It said: “It sounds like you haven’t been feeling well. Hope you have a better day.”
???
I thought that it was cute when he said he was taking his wife on a date this weekend. True family values.
Thanks Christy, bullseye, as per usual.
I agree. He must have had his reasons. I wish he had given concrete reasons. I did’t see any though. If you attack someone, you need to give some validity to the attack; especially, coming from him.
As for the VP slot, I trust Obama to make the right pick. I’m not that sure he needs our advice.
When I get the spam emails I respond with the urban legends link..
If the Dems need a magic candidate to win in November, they’ve already lost.
Obama or Hillary or Webb or (fill in the blank) … will not win the GE, it will have to be a concerted effort by all Dems.
That’s a bit of a stretch for my tender sensibilities, but, it would be a formidable ticket…!
Agree.
Honestly, I think more republicans are bolting to the Democratic side, so the Hillary supporters and racists of America will be overturned.
I’m not sure she knows how to ‘work’ links. My impression is that she understands “forward” and that’s about it. When I reply all – I always get back two or three mailerdaemon messages!
I’ve been trying to figure this out. If he doesn’t pick Clinton won’t he be seen as disrespecting her by picking someone else? I mean if I were an Obama supporter and the roles were reversed, if Clinton picked Harold Ford, Jr. (just an example, don’t flame me) I would probably be even more upset. Whereas, if she picked Strickland or someone I would know it was for electoral reasons and nothing personal.
Hmmm…well, it would be like someone telling me McBush is so great. Therein lies the disconnect.
What to do?
If you can’t tell a person what a candidate is for, you’ve lost.
You can’t say go to a website, or read a book. Tell the person what he’s for, for heaven’s sake. FOr health care for all. For rule of law. For a living wage. For more money here at home, less funneled to corrupt contractors abroad.
You mean he didn’t say…I’m taking the trollop **nt on a date….? *g*
Not that the two are synonymous or anything — I’m sure you didn’t mean it that way. *g*
My daughter is in Noblesville, my son is in Meridian Kessler. Hope they’re OK.
Meridian-Kessler should be just fine. Noblesville is, of course, a little north – not sure what’s happening up there…
the sky has now gone to various shades of red, yellow, and orange – not scary, iow. When it gets to looking green – duck! It looks a lot better now than it did just 15 minutes ago. I’m going back to ignore mode.
Studies have shown that ANY VP adds or subtracts less than one percent to the ticket. People aren’t looking at the VP slot as a way to decide who to vote for. I know it’s the conventional wisdom – but it’s wrong.
Obama needs to pick whoever he feels comfortable with, someone who shares his vision and is willing to get down in the trenches with him to make it happen.
And it will probably be someone who isn’t being bandied about on the MSM or on the blogosphere either.
No way. *g*
Thanks, you hit the correct “formidable.”
“Formidable” in the same way JFL and LBJ was.
The GOP is going to paint Obama as an angry BLACK man. No one in the Democratic party can better inoculate him from that imho than HRC.
I haven’t forgotten that the Clinton’s helped JoLie beat Lamont. I just think we have to be pragmatic.
Eli’s comin
I’m guessing that email made you puke.
Snopes is not perfect but they do keep track of lots of misinformation.. Do a few copy and pastes where she can see what the facts are. Most likely it won’t convince her but she’ll at least stop forwarding them to you. Try a reply all..lol
jayt — stay safe, and let us know you are okay tomorrow…
Thanks – I was wondering how much difference a choice of VP made to a campaign. Course in a close election, 1% is pretty damn important.
will do – thanks.
The following video may have already been posted and talked about here today on FDL, but I’m going to repost it to explain my comment above:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..ensarling/
And these crossover republicans aren’t just on C-SPAN either! I did some phonebanking with my local Democrats this past Tuesday evening (we were calling Unaffiliated voters that night) and found that most of the republicans had indeed switched to the Democratic Party and a few couldn’t wait to cast their vote for Obama. Wow!
We might not have to worry about the Hillary supporters who will be voting for McTeleprompter after all. ;-)
One of the problems is at least one of the smear emails goes out of the way to claim that snopes has already verified the lie.
Pointing out that snopes in fact calls it a lie does not penetrate the shroud over some folks’ brains.
The crazy thing is that some of the emails say “I checked on snopes.com and all this stuff is absolutely true!”
Of course when I ACTUALLY did check on snopes, it was not. I did some copy/paste from there on some of the points. It was still funny the message she sent back though.
And I do ‘reply all’ when I send the stuff back.
LooHoo – yes- spew and shriek and throw stuff.
Out of curiousity, where were you calling?
Right now…it seems that HRC would have to be the person….we live in, as Gore Vidal says, the United States of Amnesia…a few more missing people, etc., and the next choice will be acceptable…or maybe it will be HRC. It is the “media” that has framed the Obama campaign as dependent on HRC to win. Not necessarily. He won, because he won, albeit a close race, but he still prevailed.
Things change everyday. Who knows what the world will be like next week…we might even have attacked Iran….who knows.
Unfortunately history doesn’t really apply here.
AFAIK, this is the first time either party had someone on the presidential ticket who wasn’t 100% European American.
It’s only the second time either major party has had someone on the ticket, who wasn’t male.
Christy also mentioned that we’re looking at key states like OH and PN. Why take a chance?
Ignore mode is my usual reaction to tornado warnings. But when one seemed headed for campus, and I had picked today to ride my bike to work, I couldn’t ignore it. Fortunately it never hit, and a colleague took me and my bike home. But it all tripped our campus emergency alert system, so I had warnings on 2 email accounts, cell phone, home phone, and text message.
The list provided that night was for Unaffiliated voters in Porter, Maine. Most people I spoke with were upset with the price of gas/heating oil. Those With The Power are forgetting that some Mainers have their hot water attached to their furnaces and have to pay for oil all year round. At the current rate of $445/100 gallons of #2 Heating Fuel, it’s hurting a lot of people up here in addition to putting gas in the car to get to work.
Just wanted to say thank to you all tonight. I usually just lurk, especially because of all the invective flying around lately no matter what the posting. This thread actually made me hit the keyboard. Hope it keeps up. Maybe the unity thing will work after all.
Actually , as of this exact point, we’ve still only had one presidential ticket that wasn’t 100% male.
Unless you meant 100% White male…
We’re actually re-experiencing in some small way what are ancestors went through wrt white supremacy and male supremacy.
When it comes to POTUS, some people aren’t comfortable with some of Obama’s ancestry. Some people aren’t comfortable with HRC’s gender.
It’s nice to be having the discussion about POTUS as opposed to the right to vote, but it’s still a leap of faith. As are ancestors so frequently did, are we going to give in to past prejudices that we know are irrational? Obama and HRC are both symbols for things which are far deeper (and harder to measure) than the outcome of this election.
One of many things I love about FDL is that it deals with issues. The sooner we move beyond ethnicity and gender, the better for liberals/progressives. I just think it’s easier to that with a an Obama/Clinton ticket.
Well, I’ve seen at least six scenarios where OH was not needed in order for Obama to win. PA, well, that one maybe.
The biggest problem I see is that all the polling is skewed. The pollsters can’t help it – it’s a fact of the ‘new electorate’. A giant majority of the under-30 crowd don’t have traditional land-line phones anymore. There are no phone books for cellphones, and the pollsters are having a really difficult time identifying and contacting potential voters in that age bracket.
Since both Obama and Clinton waged these great voter registration drives, and a huge percentage of them were in this age group – I think that for the time being at least – the polls have a skew in them that is unaccounted for. In this instance, the data that shows Obama is only slightly ahead of McSlime probably doesn’t take into account this group of ‘kids’ and if they were actually counted/accounted for – he would be making a much better showing.
There is also the fact that although Hillary claimed her 18 million voters, at least a couple million of them already had buyers remorse and had switched to Obama (see the most recent polls on the matchup between HRC and Obama in California).
Lastly – there is a group of Hillary supporters like Harriet Christian who are sad, mad, and very vocal. The MSM and even the blogosphere to some extent use people like this as ‘representative’ of HRC’s diehard support group. Well, what about all the men who voted for HRC? They are not Harriet Christian.
Yes, Obama does need to be inclusive of HRC’s supporters in any way he can – but to base his VP pick or anything else on trying to attract every single one of the disaffected is not a good game plan IMHO.
My apologies.
What I should have said above is that we’re not sure how much history will apply in this election.
I think your point about 1% will probably hold true. But with McSane running on nothing except the fact that Obama is BLACK, please don’t forget that, that 1% may be the difference in PA and OH.
I would say the REAL liberals/progressives are the ones who don’t see color or gender, but base their choices on research. Then there’s the OTHERS who call themselves Democrats who are as closed-minded as the neocons we’ve all come to know and “love”.
I would be voting for Barack Obama if he had a purple face with green stripes down it. Just saying. ;-)
Wow! Love the image!
I was with a group of women the other night who supported HRC. All of them were sad, mad, etc., but ALL of them said they would never vote for McCain.
Exactly.
Think back to FDR. How many of those hungry, hopeless, careworn people had time to do research!?
It didn’t make them any less liberal or any less deserving of explaining what a candidate was for. In easy to remember sentences.
It’s grim for many people, daily life is hard.
Yes, I agree.
Also, if he does pick her, and she turns it down, because she doesn’t want Bill to be vetted, some of her supporters will take that as her endorsement of their white supremacist attitudes. The stakes are very high on all sides.
I honestly believe that – campaign rhetoric aside – that HRC would not want her supporters to vote for McCain either. He is the antithesis of everything she stands for and everything she has worked for over the years. (I was not a HRC supporter) But I do believe that she will urge her people to work for and vote for Obama in the best interests of the people she represents.
I’m hoping in her next speech she says something like “I’ve decided to…” and then list something she is going to do – like go back to the Senate and work to get (fill in the blank legislation passed). But in the meantime I’m going to do everything I can to get Obama into the White House.”
That would make it easier – kind of takes the burden off both of them.
Thanks for the extremely helpful polling data. It is much appreciated.
I agree with you here.
Her comments about “hard working white voters,” were horrible. I don’t think she understood that they would alienate many in her semitic base in NY in Florida. A lot of those “hard working white voters,” don’t include Jewish people in their definition of “white.”
It’s precisely because she uttered those words, however, that I still think she has so much to add to the ticket that other can’t. LBJ gave JFK leverage with conservative that he otherwise would not have had.
Was anyone else bothered by the fact that it was Diane Feinstein’s home where Hillary & Barack met? I am. Feinstein is a diehard Hillary supporter and the fact she is connected to the Military Industrial Complex makes me cringe, because it wouldn’t surprise me if the corrupt criminals of the MIC starts sending money to Barack’s campaign. Yep, I can see it now! Johnny McTeleprompter saying, “See? He’s getting money from the war profiteers. My friends, Obama loves the war and is running for George Bush’s 3rd term”.
Yes and this is the demographic she did very well in. Democrats, some who did not have a lot of education, identified with her. In order to get Obama into the WH, we have to speak to those people in symbols they understand.
Thanks BooRadley. I wonder what ’symbols’ we’ll need to use? LOL I’m scared at the moment to find out! ;-)
Thanks.
Isn’t it odd that people who do not have much education, as you put it, would identify with someone who has been first lady and lived in the WH with all the perks that go with that. You’re right but it’s so strange to me.
It’s not so hard – you just have to put yourself in this position:
You are a woman who has experienced misogynism first hand – been denied the raise, the promotion, or even the job because they are female. They have run up against the glass ceiling – in some cases the concrete ceiling. They have married men thinking that would be the way to something better, and have been disappointed.
Women have watched Hillary take lemons (Bill’s philandering) and make lemonade with a twist. Her successful Senate run, and now her run for POTUS. They dream along with her that the ceiling is finally going to be broken. They won’t get to the White House – but maybe that elusive promotion will finally be theirs, or that rais they have deserved for years.
Sure Hillary isn’t ‘like them’ in that she went to Yale, and has earned over 100 million dollars in the last 8 years, that she was First Lady, and now a sitting US Senator from one of the biggest states in the US. But she is like them in that she has had those same experiences in her life. And is still having them (white bitch month, nutcracker dolls, etc). And now they feel like she ran up against the glass ceiling – and unfortunately – it is still there. She was unable to break it. And that fact means that all their dreams are now somewhat destroyed as well.
Most of them will go on – and they will vote for Obama. They understand that McSlime means no more Roe, more crap like the Ledbetter case and overturning the Violence Against Women Act. More war. More dead kids coming home in flag-draped coffins. More inner-city kids dying from drugs and drive-by shootings. So they will vote for Obama. Maybe holding their collective noses – but they will.
Some, like Harriet Christian will not. And I don’t think there is anything he or anyone else can say to her and others like her that will change her mind. She is simply too hurt.
I think it’s partially racial. But I also think he comes across as an elitist type in a way that Clinton, oddly, didn’t. Maybe it’s all those years married to Bill, or all those years in the South, not sure, but somehow Obama feels more culturally elite and out of touch.
FIGHT language is one part of it, I think. Both Clinton and Edward used words like FIGHT all the time, and that’s something these sort of people want from their candidates. They aren’t as in to the whole “post partisan, let’s get past the bad feelings” things as Obama supporters — they don’t believe it in their guts. They need to be reassured that Obama cares about them and will fight hard for them. That’s the deal that Clinton sealed with her supporters “I am a fighter. I love you. I will fight for you.”
I don’t think it’s up to Obama to “win over” anyone. I think that’s the old approach. The new approach is that people simply have to come to their senses.
Oh sure. Because hoping people would come around worked so well for Gore and Kerry against Shrubby the Wonder Twit…
Thats “fighting spirit” issue certainly played well here in WV among folks with whom I’ve spoken, I know that. I’ve heard any number of times that “she’s not a quitter, and she’s fighting for things I believe in” from any number of voters who supported her. Even though her positions and Obama’s are incredibly similar on just about every issue, the media portrayal of Obama as ultra-super-duper liberal has sunk in, and people think he’s “not like me” as a result.
That’s a problem in fly-over country, which is a whole helluva lot of the nation. The good news is that with the extended primary, in the states where the Obama campaign put forth a lot of effort introducing him and winning over voters (of which, alas, WV was not one — they weren’t here but for two very short fly in, fly out speeches), he’s already laid groundwork that the media storyline isn’t quite right and that there is a lot more to him.
I do think the campaign’s plans for an economic tour under the theme of “Change That Works For You” is a great introduction to Obama’s work as a community organizer and everything he has done in his career to help lift folks up when they hit a rough patch. Depending on how they work this, it could go a long way toward bringing folks around to an “us” mindset rather than thinking about him in an “us vs. them” sort of way. And that is a very good thing for November to cement that early and often.
We all have a job to do on that, too — talking to folks we know about specifics — especially McCain’s lobbyist cronies writing his policy positions versus Obama’s positions having come from fighting for poor folks in Chicago, from working with labor over the years, etc. I’ve found that is a good way to open a conversation door which would otherwise remain pretty closed.