Thirty-five years after he started out as a union organizer, Stern sounds like a proud father. "It’s exciting to watch [the workers] grow," he says. In fact, during the convention, Stern announced that membership had surpassed the 2 million member mark and does not show signs of abating.
The "Reform SEIU" coalition of locals, however, believes that Andy Stern is concerned more with consolidating power than in protecting workers’ interests, and that Stern and the SEIU’s Executive Board have taken credit where credit ought not to be due. Paul Kumar, Director of Government Affairs with the UHW West is one of Stern’s detractors. The UHW-W is not opposed to coordinating locals and utilizing the power of the SEIU to obtain better working conditions and benefits for its members. The UHW-W wants a unified health care industry.
What the UHW is opposed to is, according to Kumar, "workers being robbed of their own power by a philosophy of accommodation" to corporate interests. Kumar sees Stern’s "results-oriented" style as antithetical to the democratic process. Having witnessed a series of incidents in which members have lost control and a voice in the decision-making process, Kumar is dubious, at best, about SEIU’s intentions. To the UHW, their self-interest has been sacrificed in the name of affiliation.
To address this rift in the union, Stern has put forth a "Unity’ resolution at this Convention, which he asserts is intended to "keep us honest about the union’s mission." [Note: as of this writing, the Resolution passed without amendment.] And his most pressing concern is ensuring that the re-emergence of the progressive movement is not marred by divisiveness. “We are going to have a huge megaphone with the new president,” says Stern. Maintaining a sense of unity is going to be instrumental in passing a progressive political agenda.
Stern believes that the SEIU is capable of protecting the voice of the minority while respecting the will of the majority, but at the end of the day, his approach is more pragmatic. "We can’t let ‘perfect’ be the enemy of progress."
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Jus cogens!
Very interesting article in the latest Nation re the “battle” between Stern/SEIU and the CNA. I must say I am a mite disappointed with the negotiated agreements between Stern and corporate america. CNA, on the other hand, seems to have a better understanding of how to create and keep together a union.
Good Morning watertiger!
FDL was just unavailable to me for 7-8 hours at least (wouldn’t load) . I use both firefox and safari. Anyone else having this problem. I seems to occur every three to for days or so.
there were some squirrels in the server it seems, so it wasn’t just you.
Frandor: same problem here. Couldn’t load all morning. Finally used Google and was able to access via that link. Once here, site was very squirrelly (sp?) so I completely deleted all cookies using the tools/options and now everything looks and acts just fine. Wish I understood the internets better cause it makes my brain hurt.
there were some squirrels in the server it seems,
or cherry bombs. Things kind of blowed up for what, 12-14 hours?…
Gonna dip my toe into this issue, to provide another perspective and to gain information.
I think I understand the union split. In my words (to see if I have it straight), Stern is personnally power hungry, and his modest results disappoint his opponents.
My professional opinion on the macroeconomics of the situation of labor in the U.S. is that they are really behind the 8-ball. All the power is with the corporations. This has been the case since the decline of the labor movement began in the 1950s, but it took a long time for coprorations to realize it and take full advantage. Their knolwedge that they could screw labor with gay abandon grew stronger & stronger thruout the 80s and 90s, with the important symbolic Reagan firing of ATCs, corporate friendly administrations (including Clinton), and alternatives such as outsourcing. Rapidly rising costs for medical benefits made corps even more determined to reduce labor.
Against that backdrop, I’ve been impressed by Stern’s creativity (globalization of labor to counter globalization of business) and think even modest results against the odds labor faces to be laudatory.
Don’t know much about Stern, so don’t know how his personal strengths & weaknesses fit into the picture.
Other opinions?
Good morning! Hey watertiger, thanks for the report
At least 14.
Damn squirrels!
(or whatever)
Jamie Rubin, Clinton supporter (with some kind of title, missed it) still bitching. More quietly now, though, thank Dawg.
OT #1- i posted mp3 audio files of yesterday’s house foreign affairs hearing with glenn fine and also tuesday’s senate commerce committee hearing on energy market manipulation with soros and greenburger. there are also links to the committee webstreams.
OT #2- a couple of congressional hearings from today’s list:
note: scott horton has been added to the witness list, but i can’t update my webpage right now (i’m in the middle of making a bunch of changes to the behind the scenes files and don’t want to risk a major fuck up).
thanks, elliot for posting the hearing info yesterday.
EPU’d from last thread-
FYI, there are several sites folks migrated to during the downage here @ FDL:
TRex welcomed the “refugee FireDogs” last night http://www.iamtrex.com/
Cbl still has a site where some of us went for info & a bit of chat http://windcatpond.blogspot.com/
And there is a gabbly for FDL down times as well; don’t have the site addy, but I know someone out there does. It was posted yesterday, but can’t seem to find it in comments. If there are other sites I missed, please post ‘em.
MANY THANKS to all the hardworking techies here @ FDL who got everything back up & running.
Can I just say, Chris Mathews is acting like the drunk, older, confused uncle who shows up at holiday dinners and makes an ass of himself.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200806040004
[Mod Note; Comment edited by Moderator. At Firedoglake, please do not suggest or insinuate violence or harmful acts on others. Thanks.]
I’m real unhappy with Stern’s cozying up to the corporations. We don’t need another company union. If there was ever a time for the IWW to make inroads with the labour force, this is it. Stern’s making deals with WalMart and is undermining the CNA and the teacher’s union in Puerto Rico. I’m not liking it one bit. Soon to be yet another union leader in the pocket of the corporations.
Thank you, selise! Been waiting for those mp3 files. Looks like another interesting day for hearings.
Holy crap – Claire McCaskill, just said “John McSame” – bigger’n downtown Dallas. Couldn’t miss it.
Claire McCaskill – blog-reader?
Here is the gabbly site:
http://gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
excellent! was just going to cross post at EW to make sure you saw the info for the glenn fine mp3. but now i don’t need to.
Don’t know why I didn’t think of going to TRex’s site. Musta been a case of terminal dumbass.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool.
Play nice and stay away from the trolls. Little suckers bite and may give ya somthin’ you won’t like.
twas my pleasure selise!
might I suggest this hearing from yesterday for pups to watch.
House Foreign Affairs Subcommittee Hearing with Iraqi Parliament Members
It’s on BushCo trying to make long term security pact with Iraq by bypassing the US and Iraqi legislatures, Mr. Democracy himself.
definitely worth watching
link to watch the hearing
and here’s a link to the U.S.-Iraqi Security Agreement
Yep – all night long. Was just able to get in this morning. Boo Hiss
OT – TPM said last night that the SSCI Phase 2 report would be released today. Anyone have any more info?
two members of the Iraqi Parliament [one Sunni, one Shia] offer their perspective on a proposed U.S.-Iraq Security Agreement. The new accord will replace U.N. Security Council resolutions, due to expire at year’s end, which authorized U.S. combat operations in Iraq.
could you give a synopsis of the testimony? Did either witness say anything like – “would you all PLEASE get the hell out of our country?”
For what it’s worth, whatever happened while they were scraping the squirrel parts out of the system, they must have fine tuned too because my scroll arrow now works! And, I’m grateful. Thanks backstage crew. (Have a cookie.)
Ewwww…. It’s a necessary job, to be sure, but the visual sure is EWWWW!
. “We can’t let ‘perfect’ be the enemy of progress.”
talk about cher basic meme bein’ dumped right in yer lap… excellent.
Sorry Marion.
And, they are not squirrel cookies…Sugar with sprinkles.
Do you mean this spacefish?
INTELLIGENCE AUTHORIZATION ACT FOR FISCAL YEAR 2009
I don’t think so. Here’s what TPM had:
well,
Iraq Lawmakers Want U.S. Forces Out as Part Of Deal
NY Times
excellent suggestion! i caught some of it and second your recommendation. i plan to give it a listen.
Happens all the time. I often just give up. I’ve emailed and emailed…
Kinda like trying to get the ‘Democrat’ Party to get it’s head out of it’s ass.
No reply.
thanks Elliott!
You are missing the important fact that the Rethugs have changed the law repeatedly to make unionization much, much more difficult.
I’ve spent a bit of time talking with Andy Stern and he impressed the hell out of me. What’s going on now with this splinter faction is not so clear but I’m prepared to give Mr. Stern the benefit of the doubt.
What is clear is that legislation must be enacted to level the playing field between labor and the corporations.
Fat chance of that happening with either Barkey or McSame.
I find these one-minute speeches at the beginning of the House sessions interesting, sometimes. Is it just me or only every other one seems to make sense? D’s more sense, R’s little snippy rags.
(Oh, that Marsha Blackburn….now, that’s an ewwwwww.)
From your link:
“The majority of Iraqi representatives strongly reject any military-security, economic, commercial, agricultural, investment or political agreement with the United States that is not linked to clear mechanisms that obligate the occupying American military forces to fully withdraw from Iraq,” the letter to the leaders of Congress said.
Well that seems clear enough.
(cut to WH Oval Office, where we find GWB with fingers planted firmly in ears, “lalalalala – I can’t hear you!!”) “and besides, who is the dumb-ass who asked Iraqi’s about what goes on in *MY* GODDAMNED WAR?!”
It works better with the high pressure hose.
Good Morning Watertiger and Pups!
Wonderful to see everything up and running. Are “we” being attacked because FDL speaks to the truth with courage and calls bias by its proper name?
Well, shame on us! And thanks much, tech wizards!
Carry on doggies. I’ll try to sit and lurk without excessive barking outta turn today. ;->
Good Morning Watertiger and Firedogs -
always good to be back – just got off the phone with mr cbl and he saw a brand new post from CHS – I don’t see it yet
oh hee hee, darn you! Now I’ll have that in my head all day.
you’re very good at that mind-pic stuff.
I got the standard multiple error messages, did a hard refresh and there is no new post. This would seem to be a symptom of whatever is ailing the squirrels.
Christy upstairs with a FISA Call To Arms
dakine01’s linkie brings up a 404
getting a 404 when I click on the link X~(
Patience puppies.
The more
fancyelegantcomplicated the system, the more pieces there are to break down.Christy’s been scooped by emptywheel!
Fitzgerald to Conyers: “Okay, Now I’m Ready to Talk”
BTW, anyone know why there’s a pine martin running around in the FDL squirrel pen, and all the squirrels are gone? hmmmm.
seen a lot of that lately – looks like a conduit to blogs has been opened in the beltway network – and dear gaia, why not – a tremendous under utilized resource and touchtone for the constituent pulse – and unlike the seven figure a year consultants, our stuff is fact based and helluva lot cheaper :)
jayt – saw your note at the treehouse last night about your boy – will include your family in my prayers for all military families and pray they really meant the 12 months of technical training thing – as I believe no one is getting deployed after January
I was just over there…Hmmmm, Fitz in the morning!!! lovely….:)
OT: GPO has a searchable Guide to House and Senate Members available.
Yep, I’m still mourning the loss of my husband’s Chevy II Nova – on the other hand, the Prius is doing pretty well for us lately.
Ah … Great … The Lake is still here …
Good Morning, all.
FDL done gone but is come back agin …
Maybe?
So?
Is da problem squirrels, gremlins or complexity its ownself?
Do we need techies, animal whisperers or faith healers?
Anyhoo, glad to see this site back, hope the misfire goes away.
In my day, ’twas either no spark or no gas, now; I just waits fer the folks wid the magik wands … and wonder.
Somewhere, out ‘there’, are all those lost and lonely comments that slipped, victims of da space-time continuum, … into da void, nevah agin to be hoid or beheld by da humanoid.
Who is anoid?
Is you anoid?
Nah! No one here is anoid, jus’ occassionally dis-grunt-ellated … a-dults.
Shore am glad you-all is back, it’s good, very good, to have friends who care ’bout the same kinds of things.
I think this is right. Frank Levy and Peter Temin have a good NBER paper on this, which shows how the collapse of the ‘consensus’ that labour had a stake in industry and changes in the way the heads of the NLRB are chosen were crucial.
As to the general issue, I think that Democrats and the Union Movement can get a lot of mileage out of the concept of ’stakeholder.’ What’s happened since Milton Friedman pushed his notion that the only business of corporations is to make money for shareholders is that every other stakeholder, communities, workers, all of whom put something into a company’s success were edged out and treated like any other disposable input. Correctly articulated and framed, the notion that we are stakeholders in our community could become a dynamite theme in the hands of someone as gifted as Obama.
spacefish, in case you are reading this, William Ockham had the link for new report at emptywheel’s
here it is -PDF-
http://intelligence.senate.gov/080605/phase2b.pdf
Please get your facts straight:
Republicans did not change the labor law–they re-interpreted it. That is a big difference. The push to change the way unions are recognized would be a significant change in the law.
Andy Stern is charismatic and convinced that he is right. The issue for the reformers, that Stern dismisses, is union democracy. Unions are unique organizations. Unlike corporations, they are democratic bodies controlled by the membership. Stern and his cronies insist that union democracy interferes with their ‘big picture’. If a local disagrees with Stern’s plans, he simply takes the local over and installs his loyalists.
His tactics to increase union density is not to physically organize new workers, but to get employers to sign “trigger contracts”. In other words, an SEIU organizer approaches an employer and says “We will not organize you if you sign this agreement that says, once we do organize other employers in the same category (i.e. nursing homes) then you agree to let your employees join and follow the contract. Where do workers have a say in joining?–maybe the workers have another union in mind.
Another appalling plan is to remove grievance reps from shop floors and force workers to talk to call centers. Workers are entitled to representation when an employer calls them into a meeting to issue a disciplinary action. Call centers take this right away.
Lastly, where is the disclaimer that says watertiger is at the convention on SEIU expense account?
In response to 8,
The split isn’t trying to deride growth. Since 2000, UHW has been the fastest growing local in SEIU. Their members have absolutely embraced this vision because they understand that if an industry is constantly competing with the non-union competition, union members can only go so far, but if workers aren’t being organized to raise industry standards, this logic fails. Members’ dues pay for organizing, which is the best use of their dues for the above, but if Union leaders fail to raise those workers’ standards they have violated that covenant.
Some interesting questions to ponder:
Is it fair to organize workers if they never achieve the basic benefits of a collective bargaining agreement?
Is it fair to organize workers if they have a 20 year ban on being able to strike (effectively extinguishing any hope of achieving a cba)?
Is it fair to organize workers by agreeing to gag orders on patient care violations of the employers?
Unfortunately, the answer of SEIU’s top leadership has been yes.
The middle class in this country was created by the concept of the industrial union, culminating with John L. Lewis’s famous punch on the AFL convention floor. Our country wasn’t organized by accommodation, it was organized by principled leaders leading workers to exercise their collective power. It wasn’t done by dialing 800 numbers, it was done by organizing.
There are no shortcuts in organizing, i.e. building collective power to achieve goals. The means truly are the ends. Without worker involvement and militancy, unions become just another advocacy group. This won’t change society.