Comments on: What Does Hillary Want, and How Does She Plan To Get It?

By: ekunin

ekunin — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 23:21:46 +0000

I had a blog once, but it got spammed. Lots of ads and links to porn sites. I didn’t have time to moderate it, so I shut it down. It’s unfortunate people don’t take the internet seriously. It doesn’t take more than a few to screw it up for the many. I guess I should have been more precise. I disagree with pluk, but I didn’t see anything untoward about his posts. His crime, if it is a crime, was to disagree with most of the people here. I don’t see that as a banning offense.

By: STTPinOhio

STTPinOhio — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:49:04 +0000

I support her pragmatic decision not to post congratulations to Obama. I just think this community needs to stay focussed on liberal issues. That’s where FDL’s niche is. A post such as you mentioned, imho does nothing more than invite more divisiveness.

One of the good things about this place is the ability to agree to disagree in a civilized fashion, as I must do now.

A post congratulating Sen. Obama does nothing to diminish the liberal/progressive cause, nor take time away from other pressing liberal issues.

His candidacy speaks volumes about how far we’ve come as a nation and, as our standard bearer going into the fall elections, deserves more respect than a stifled yawn and an immediate look into Sen. Clinton’s VP chances.

To say that one post acknowledging the significance of the first African American to secure a major party’s presidential candidacy will only “invite more divisiveness” doesn’t speak well at all of those that would feel that way.

Besides, as I’ve pointed out before, if Sen. Clinton had won there’s no doubt in my mind I wouldn’t be able to find my keyboard for all the confetti that would be flying — and deservedly so — at FDL these days.

By: mui1

mui1 — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:44:50 +0000

Your welcome. I don’t know about middle ground, but there certainly is common ground, and well those issues will stay a concern, I’m afraid to say, and are more important than which middle-of-the-road non-progressive democrat gets the nomination.
Now I have to get off, that is the blog, I mean.

By: dakine01

dakine01 — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:41:36 +0000

I have a feeling that if occasionally folks weren’t banned or moderated, this place would look like a turd infested swamp that would make pajamas media, lgf, or malkin look like it was filled with thoughtful coherent, rational analysis.

Occasionally, I’ve seen comments make it out to thread before getting removed. It is not a pretty sight. Think the style of comments of the places I just mentioned.

But of course, you can always set up a blog of your own and see how it goes.

By: mui1

mui1 — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:39:02 +0000

I don’t know about banning. But there are instances where persons with perfectly valid viewpoints get shouted out. Can’t think of an example at the moments, but it happens everywhere not just on the blogosphere. Truthfully, you don’t have to believe me. Check Computer mediated studies online. Women, minorities and those that get the short end of the stick tend to get the short end of the stick on the net as well. And for a “dirty feminist” blog, that’s probably not the ideal environment to promote. So I don’t mind the moderators. And I often get moderated as of late.

By: BooRadley

BooRadley — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:37:00 +0000

Great comment, thank you.

By: mui1

mui1 — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:33:50 +0000

Er BooRadley?
Precious little middle ground? How about net neutrality, FISA, Gitmo, brutal detention of immigrants, wiretapping, habeas corpus, health care, better working conditions, the dumping on regulations that protect workers (like those coalminers), privatization of everything (war, prison, you name it). The abuse and waste and fraudulence in government with money for Chimp and friends and none for us. . . Um this is too long a list. I think there is a lot of middle ground. You probably know that. And really I think moveon.org should have stuck with issues like Jane, instead of getting into the primary fray.

By: ekunin

ekunin — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:32:30 +0000

I agree. Why ban anyone? Obama says he will talk to any government. I consider that part of his appeal. It’s bad enough there are moderators. Censorship is supposed to be unAmerican. If anyone doesn’t like what someone has to say, scroll past it. Does that ask too much? I disagree with much of what pluk says, but I defend to the death his right to say it.

By: mui1

mui1 — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 19:24:21 +0000

(((dosido))). I am sorry about that again. Maybe it was the blogswarm frenzy, plus tech gremlins, plus er, babysitting toddlers on-ground here. But maybe I should stay off the blog rather than multitask and mangle comments. Again I am sorry. Hugs and a salute to youas well.

By: readerOfTeaLeaves

readerOfTeaLeaves — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 18:16:18 +0000

I apologize that I’ve not time to read all 300+ comments on this thread, but want to say ‘thanks’ for nailing, with your usual acuity, a phenomenon that I agree will play out in this election.

Many women identify with Hillary.
Those in my circle may not like her, but respect the way that she’s stood up to the appalling dirt hurled her way.
Those in my circle look at the Bush twins, and then at Chelsea, and go, “So much for the bullshit about GOP having ‘family values’ because we can see at a glance who’s the better parent here (i.e., NOT Laura Bush).”

Obama is a gifted man.
The last thing this nation needs is women moving in McCain’s direction — can you say, “Roger Stone”?

The Dems have to win this election.
Obama is clearly gifted, but he needs to be more clear about the hostility that has zero to do with racism and (as Jim Webb points out) a hell of a lot to do with ‘affirmative action’. (And I say that as a supporter of affirmative action, because I believe it’s like what Churchill said of democracy: ‘the worst system in the world, except for all the others’).

Obama needs to handle this more astutely.
Because a hell of a lot more rides on Hillary in this election than she’s being given credit for right now.

As for the ‘academic feminists’, fuck their bullshit.
I’ve yet to see a single one of them be able to hold their ground in a knife fight in the biz world; they don’t know shit. Faculties in the academy think the ‘win’ arguments because someone else got appointed to a new committee; that’s mostly emotive without much effect.
They sold Hillary down the river.

Which really underscores your point.
A lot of people who may not ‘like’ Hillary have come to respect her work ethic.
That’s really what a lot of this is about.