I thought I’d do something a bit different, and stroll through the superficial world of media optics and bread and circus manipulation. Because at this stage in the political process — only three months away from both party conventions following lengthy primary seasons and many political events — all of the candidates should have consolidated their advance teams, their media prep folks, and their ability to present an "image" to the public. It is in this level of attention to detail that you get a real sense of how professionally and seriously a campaign may or may not be taking themselves and their candidate.
Last night gave us an opportunity to view all three major candidates, one right after the other. Both Clinton and Obama were fantastic — and McCain was like a slapped-together Ambien nightcap with a codeine chaser. Yawn.
I’ll show you what I mean. We began the night with McCain’s speech from New Orleans Kenner, Louisiana:
Sen. McCain’s makeup was dreadful — it was the sort of caked on look you expect at Aunt Gertrude’s wake, not on camera for a major address. He looked pasty at the sides, flushed at the front, and as though they had spackled White-Out under his eyes to cover the bags and dark circles to try and make him look less exhausted and worn. And he was sweating on his forehead and cheeks, which means someone didn’t pay attention to the temperature inside well before he came out to speak. It was not HDTV friendly, let me tell you.
Further, that green background was nasty — I’m not certain if it was creamed spinach green or Saudi flag green, but either way it was a horrible choice. (NOTE: McCain is giving a live speech right now on MSNBC, and it wasn’t just an ugly background from last night. It’s a travelling ugly campaign background they are using again today. Double ugh.) The sadly sparse "Honor" signs that about three people were trying to wave in front of the CNN cameras while Steve Schmidt was putting on a squinched brave face for the McCain camp prior to the speech just looked pitiful.
Moreover, it looked like they were having a rally in someone’s basement, and they couldn’t muster up more than a hundred or so dudes from the local monster truck rally or honky tonk. The lighting was abysmal — it’s top down, which makes McCain’s neck look even more craggy than it already did in contrast to the smoothed and polished skin on his shiny forehead. (Botox, anyone?) And the crowd had no real lighting, no cameras, nothing. Which matched their tepid reactions — I spent the entire speech wondering if they were trying to clap, boo, cheer or what — and that pretty much seems to sum up how they were feeling, too. McCain still cannot read a teleprompter, and it is painful to watch his eye jerks and twitches — especially last night, when he seemed to be having a contact lens problem in his left eye, which kept winking off and on throughout the speech. Distracting.
My favorite part was when McCain talked about being disappointed in the Bush Administration’s implementation of their Iraq strategy being a failure and maybe two people clap. Hilarious.
Really, a lesson in what not to do for staging and optics for a national television audience. And McCain has had close to two months to consolidate a functioning media team and advance folks. If they can’t even get something this basic down for a night wherein they were guaranteed some national media coverage, how badly are they letting all the other detail issues slide? That’s a question the GOP has to be asking itself this morning, because the speech itself was horrible on top of McCain looking and sounding half-assed and dull.
Let’s move on to Sen. Clinton’s rally in New York:
First of all, the choice of that indigo blue was perfect. She looks fantastic in it, her make-up is lovely (it looked great on my HDTV last night), and she looked fresh albeit tinged with a little melancholy (understandably so). The lighting is great. Oh, and look — she has an actual crowd of people — behind, in front, on all sides — all of whom want to be there cheering her on (as opposed to the McCain crowd which may have gotten coupons to use at the KFC afterward or something for attending, it was that lukewarm in there).
Her speech delivery was smooth, polished, and confident. She knew her marks, she hit them well — and she exuded an enormous amount of warmth when talking about how much the support of her voters and staffers, family and friends has meant to her throughout this long campaign cycle. You could tell that this was tough — to come so achingly close to a presidential nod, how could it not be? — but she was remarkably cheerful and ready to keep pushing forward on the issues that matter to her and, more importantly, to her supporters who needed to hear that last from her — that their concerns mattered to her and that she would keep fighting for them.
The mention of health care was a significant point in the speech. When you watch it, you can see how much this issue means to her, especially in the context of the supporter she talks about at the end who cannot get health insurance because of a pre-existing condition.
The lighting of the audience was very well done — you could see individual faces, some smiling, some straining to smile as they come to grips with the end of a long campaign season. Just a well-done bit of staging, all-around, and after her speech you could really see how much so many of the folks on the stage who had worked on her campaign or supported her as members of Congress really love her. I thought Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee was going to burst into tears at one point, from the exhaustion and emotion — but all of those people really looked like they wanted to be right there last night — it was important to them.
Contrast that with the McCain rally — and you begin to see some of the problems the GOP is facing within its own party — and why the slime machine is going to have to stoke a lot of hatred against Obama come November, because love for McCain seemingly isn’t exactly welling up in the hearts of a whole lot of their usual base.
And now for the Obama rally, which is a study in what to do with staging and optics:
Now this is what I call advance work — the hall was full to the rafters, the enthusiasm in the crowd was enormous, and the lighting was superbly done — both for the audience and the stage. They had camera crews throughout the hall, so you got views of the candidate’s interaction with the crowd (especially at the end of the speech on MSNBC — it was brilliantly shot), individual faces from the crowd during the speech, people behind and in front and at the sides of the stage and further up — really, meticulously planned and staged.Barack Obama looked energized, pumped to have made it to the end but ready to head forward. But also very well aware of the enormous undertaking that is ahead of him — and the responsibilities and burdens of it for the whole of the nation, you could almost feel it weigh on him as he settled into the speech.
The tie he was wearing, a sort of aquamarine blue had an incredible sheen on our HDTV while the suit was a great choice as well. When you compare it to the McCain shoulder pad suit and grandpa’s old tie from the back of the closet look? No question who looks like they are moving forward and who looks like they are stuck in 1984.
Obama’s speech delivery was flawless last night. More than that, though, he put in human notes about his family — especially the emotional moment about his grandmother — that were wonderfully delivered. His reach-out to Sen. Clinton was especially well-crafted, gracious and seemed heartfelt — and a nice way to begin to reach-out to at least some of her supporters as well. The die-hards on either side will keep up the squabbling for a while, I’m certain, but we have to move from "us versus them" to just thinking about "us."
He can read the teleprompter for his speech without the jerky eye issues McCain has, and his delivery from it is fluid, not stop and go. (McCain, at one point trying to woo women Clinton voters, stopped in the middle of his pitch to them to do a big nose sniff, which was a lovely sound on the mike, let me tell you. For a second, I thought we might have a loogie in the making. Ugh, what a turn-off.)
In short, the Democrats both came off looking like competent, professional people who took the campaign and themselves and their commitment to supporters and the country seriously. McCain? Came off as a half-assed, unprofessional basement speech which he’d maybe done a single read-through on while munching on a sandwich on the bus.
If this is the level of attention to detail McCain and his advisors would bring to the Oval Office, I can say that I’ve had more than enough slack-assed behavior from the President to last a lifetime. If this small peek into campaign preparedness is any indication, considering this was the Obama campaigns first real salvo, we are in for one helluva campaign going into November. What do you guys think?



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Christy!!
FunnyD
Howdy, FunnyDiva! How’s tricks?
brb, gotta go tell ‘em downstairs.
FunnyD
CHS! CHS! CHS!
It is Kenner, La.
EPU’d:
Funny “green screen” stuff from HuffPo:
Tricks are for kids.
(and do we really have to put up with our trolls today? can’t we please have a moratorium on poo-flinging? Pleeeeeeze? Primaries are _OVER_)
FunnyD
silly rabbit
Thanks mucho — I thought that looked wrong when I typed it, but forgot to go back and doublecheck that. Much appreciated!
For a second, I thought we might have a loogie in the making.
Come See McCain – the Human Loogie. Get a Free coupon for a KFC snacker.
Forget the “Campaign Optics”, lets just leave it at McCain is woefully lacking. That pretty much sums it up anyway.
Christy, you are tougher woman than I – I couldn’t bear to watch or listen to McCain.
You are right – the Dems looked like pros.
Insane McCain, right now. “I can’t tell you what Hugo Chavez will do, who has control over much of our oil.”
It is all about the oil. All Oil in the world belongs to America. This rabid fool will get us into more Oil Wars. Worse than Booosh.
yeah, the green background really heightens the pallor of death.
because I am a seasoned frazzled lady, a quick observation before I forget it, and then back to read Christy’s posting and comments…
Speaking of optics, whazzup with the green? Again as the backdrop. Here’s the thing. Back in the day when I was doing a lot of political consulting, green and white was considered a loser combination for a candidate to use.
On second thought….
“our oil”?
Hrumph.
John McCain is a maverick and he doesn’t need to “look good” on the TV like the other candidates who are all “look how good I look!” and smooth and personable and human-y and what have you.
Jamba King! Jamba King! (I don’t know what that means but people were shouting it during McCain’s speech last night.)
And he was sweating on his forehead and cheeks, which means someone didn’t pay attention to the temperature inside well before he came out to speak.
hmmm, sweating could be attributed to things other than the ambient temperature of the room, Christy.
Just sayin’. Right, Barbara?
Oh,now, you’re taking him outta context. And, besides, he meant to say “our oil supply”
/snark
FunnyD
No. They were saying Jammie King. Like go home and go to bed you old fart you look really tired.
The green and white background gives McCain credence to shout ”get off my lawn!”
I am so glad that I wasn’t the only one that thought, “Oh my god, this is the worst speech ever” as I watched McCain. And I noticed that on CNN, despite Jeffrey Toobin’s initial reaction of “oh my god, that was the worst speech ever” (not his exact words, but almost), everyone tried to play down just how bad it was- as if they were afraid to come out and say it. I haven’t gone over to the wingnut sites yet to see how they are trying to pull fairy dust out of their asses to create a narrative along the lines of “McCain was brilliant, it was just that the liberal, elite media are in love with the democratic candidates” or some other claptrap. I couldn’t believe McCain’s delivery with the teleprompter- he looked like a robot, not only moving his head, but the whole upper part of his body from side to side as though somebody was flicking a switch.
I agree totally with Christy- if ever there was a better political contrast between old ideas that have been trampled and proved a failure with a fresh, new approach going towards the future, I don’t know what it is. Both Obama and Clinton were brilliant.
I do worry that Clinton’s speech was a bit too defiant- not that I don’t blame her given her performance in these last primaries- but it was hardly an olive branch. As one of the oft-criticized hold-outs for an obama-clinton ticket (I mean, come on, can you see those two on a stage together?), I couldn’t help but feel that all hopes of that were dashed last night. I hope I am wrong.
Thank you CHS for giving us non-watchers a superb summary. I hope none of McCain’s people are reading this, so he will keep on looking bad.
I have commented on many occasions about Hillary’s hair, makeup & clothes and how she has effectively countered the men’s “Power Suits” during this process. And then she begins to speak, giving us a glimpse of the vast reservoir of knowledge & wisdom she has accumulated.
For someone who’s faced that much adversity, she could be off enjoying her Million$ in Monaco but she still wants to help the cause and I’d be happy to see her as Health Secretary, enacting Universal Health Care … and I hope she’s wearing this Suit …
McCain gives the appearance of the has-been salesman yearning for the coveted Glen-Gary Glen Ross leads.
At least she has an army.
Optics and better speaker aside, we have to face the reality that Obama’s election is no slam dunk. Republicans will use every fear tactic they can muster (terrorism, immigrants, muslims, taxes, blacks, etc.). These have worked before and are the only opportunity for McCain. So while McCain may ”disavow” these campaign tactics we will see them for sure.
Prejudice (some may say racism) is alive and well in our Country and better visual plus a better speaker (even one with a much better message) will be forcefully challenged to overcome these.
Us progressives like to think that this racist element is the same as the Bush 28 percenters. I’d like to believe it, but I know quite a few ”liberals” that overtly state they would not vote for a black person. I hope I am wrong and Obama’s superb presentation (both content and style) will carry the day on November 4th, but I believe that we have to work hard between now and then so that we don’t wake up on NOvember 5th and wonder what happened.
I think last night was, deservedly so, for Sen. Clinton’s supporters. The needed her to speak to them after last weekend. I think whatever reconciliation/deal/what-have-you will come later and more likely at a joint event than a separate one. The optics on that would be far better…and stretching it out keeps sucking the oxygen from McCain as people speculate on where things will go from here. It’s like a double bonus for the Dems in that regard.
What has Obama shown to date?
[1] He and his people had a sufficiently analyzed and coherent big picture strategy for winning the primary, whereas Hillary only had reactive episodic tactics — the result, I guess, of the early “inevitability” assumption.
[2] He take take an elbow / punch. Repeatedly.
Don’t misunderestimate him. For one thing, he is gonna rhetorically eviscerate McBu’ush in the general.
I watched a bit of the McCain speech. He looks like a man who knows he is going to lose and is mostly going through the motions.
I don’t want to damage his confidence, but I’m afraid McCain must have one or more moles on his staff. For starters, is speech coach has pretty much destroyed him. The timing for his smiles and hand movements remind me of the late Trigger counting to three with his hoof. I swear he was better in 2000.
agreed and, thankfully, McCain isn’t really the kinda of guy you’d want to have beer with.
Yeah, smiles were odd. I thought poor coach as you. My wife thought mentally incompetent (or worse).
My wife, who notices such things more than I do, said when she saw McCain, ”After they finished his plastic surgery, did they forget to peel off the plastic?” His skin did have a very weird shiny-smooth aspect to it.
Obama used perspective very well–by being separated by a substantial distance from the crowd, every shot of him necessarily included a LOT of supporters. Compare to shots of Clinton–who looked like she was backed up against about 3 people. Made Obama look in control of a huge crowd in every shot.
Could be a little bit of a time delay in the cognitive processing – to put it kindly.
It’s really looking like the GOP isn’t even trying. Then again, if you’ve been reading Glen, you will know the the quality talent the McCain has hired as communication director.
On a slight tangent, Lance Mannion has some thoughts on how to manage the press.
http://lancemannion.typepad.co…..ers-a.html
I think he’s following Bush’s gameplan … set the bar so low that people have zero expectations … and he is a 2- term President …
Maybe McCain can get some make-up tips from his wife
Lordy, the lake is funky today. I keep getting various attempts to look ”normal” but the screen reverts back to 1957 each time I read new comments. I am sure you already know this.
And I didn’t like 1957 the first time around…
What on earth is wrong wit the site today? I keep hard refreshing hoping to get the formatting and graphics back to normal and they just keep getting _worse_.
Looks like we’ve lost the “quote” function, too, so including at least the handle of the person you’re quoting would be helpful.
FunnyD
OT, but excellent.
Hilary Rosen ”I am not a bargaining chip, I am a Democrat”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..05133.html
We’re already aware of it and the tech folks are working on it. Sorry…but thanks for the heads up.
ok, time to turn off cnn, it’s like corporate shrill tv.
On of Hillary Clinton’s strongest advocates, Hilary Ross over at HuffPo, offers a different take and I think it’s something that merits adding to the conversation mix this a.m.
On our local talk radio/Ed Schultz’s show, many callers were upset by Hillary’s speech content. And they self-identified the gamut from strong Obama Dem to independent or Republican who said they would not vote for him if she’s on the ticket…
And as I type this, a Hillary supporter is saying she will vote McCain instead of Obama…
There’s a lot of unity-building to do both within the Democratic Party and beyond.
McCain looks like the Cryptkeeper. McCain could star in a horror movie. The untimely forced grins, and the ticks make him look like a Psycho. He is a psycho.
Hillary is in “damned if she does, damned if she doesn’t” territory … whenever she chooses to concede, there will be those who disparage it for coming too soon, too late, etc. …
Have a great Hump Day everyone and remember … Do.Not.Feed
Christy,
I said yesterday that knowing something (specifically, Kennedy’s 1980 convention address), and knowing that it applied to you were two different things.
Unfortunately, Hillary didn’t understand that this meant her. Her speech reads more like a campaign launch than a campaign close. If this was her bid for the #2 slot, it failed miserably. What we needed from Hillary yesterday was admission that she lost, and that the differences between her and Barack pale by comparison to the differences between either of them and John McCain.
The point now is to move the grieving process along. Hillary did nothing at all last night to help her supporters to move along. And that alone should be a big DSQ.
BC
Christy – I’m(ahem) at work, so I can’t watch the videos with the sound on, so what I looked at carefully was the body language, the facial expressions, etc. First up: Sen. McCain – I won’t go into what the geography of his face looks like since the outcomes of his surgeries are not his fault. This is a guy who is not comfortable being nice or gracious or warm. He is not enjoying himself out there(full disclosure – this is the first video I have seen of him – is he like this all the time?). His smile, when it makes its appearance, is not warm or genuine – it has the appearance of a lightbulb being turned on..and then off. His suit is too big in the shoulders – I know he’s a short guy and perhaps his people think this style makes him look more important but it makes him look like a guy who can’t buy the right suit – he needs it to be smaller in the shoulders..it’s drooping. Also, I noticed how many times he uses his hands to point to himself – the physical manifestation of ’it’s all about me’. I’ll contrast that with Obama and Sen. Clinton – they use their hands, esp. their fingers, to make a point…they are not pointing to themselves. They are also clearly enjoying themselves – even in the sadness of the moment for Sen. Clinton, you can see her warmth and genuine soaking up of and sharing some real love there. Her smile, even with her teeth(which I know people find large and not too attractive), is warm and giving. Obama is riding the energy, there is no doubt of it. If you look at the rythm of his body language as he is speaking, he’s got a great thing going there. He is another person who is comfortable with himself, with riding the crowd and giving back. My two cents.
And here I was thinking I was the only pup caught in a time warp. Whew!
At least he dropped the “my friends” mantra. Can’t imagine living with that for the next 4 years. Even the FOX team couldn’t find anything good to prop up that speech.
Sadly, McCain is like that pretty much any time he gives a speech with a teleprompter. I cannot believe that they have not worked with a media coach on this — it’s incredibly off-putting. And I’d say your read on the body language on both Clinton and Obama was similar to mine — they both looked comfortable in their own skin and that really shone through on camera and in their interactions with supporters.
I really enjoyed reading what you wrote.
Things are becoming so fun right now. Clinton’s base is eroding from underneath her feet, and McCain doing a Tim Calhoun (from Saturday Night Live) impression.
McCain’s forced smiles were the worst part for me. They were obviously fake, as if he was determined to smile every 45 seconds. And they were inappropriate responses to the words he was speaking.
Paraphrased slightly:
“We’re not going to get those lost manufacturing jobs back. Obama is misleading you if he says we are”….Big fake smile.
There is no way McCain will be able to control My Friends. It will return and return big. Its a maverick thing. He’s been saying it for years. That and Go F**k Yourself, you jerk. Trademarks.
What we got here? another server attack?
That was a very good article. I hope Hillary Rosen’s party loyalty represents the majority of Clinton supporters, as well as Hillary Clinton herself. Clinton’s speach to AIPAC today, pretty much recognized Obama as the candidate. She looked worse than I have seen her and my wife said that it looked like she had cried all night.
Sorry to disappoint you Diane at #51, but he wore out that “my friend/s” mantra again this morning. My liver would not want to play THAT drinking game!
Solai – at the end of that sentence “We’re not going to get those lost manufacturing jobs back. Obama is misleading you if he says we are” on the prompter was probably the direction “smile here” – McCain was just following.
I don’t think McCs crowd was especially friendly – maybe that’s why he dropped ”my friends”.
Solai at #55… I noticed that forced grin popped up every time he took a swipe at Obama, at least in last night’s speech. I figured he was trying to not appear “angry”.
OT msnbc – Calif. high court denies request to stay its decision legalizing gay marriage
Wasn’t there a movie ”Loogie Nights”?
I’m sorta late today so can anyone tell me how our Blue America candidates did?
I don’t know if this was mentioned before, but did y’all see the Obama speech at AIPAC? Wow.
Good.
Any news on the bomb iran front?
I first noticed how inappropriate his smile appeared during the debates, really reminds me of Beavis & Butthead, especially when he amuses himself and adds the “heh heh heh”
no, was aipac shouting ”bomb iran?”
Oh, and a bit of blogwhoring… DemVet is open for bidness again…
/blogwhoring off
Occurs to me that we’re talking about HDTV and the impact this technology has on how we view the candidates.
Meaning no offense to those of us who are seniors, is it possible that McCain’s campaign doesn’t really care about the optics via HDTV since their key constituency is older, white Americans who may not have HDTV and may also be visually challenged (I say this as someone who is in denial about her need for bifocals).
Is this an example of generational shifting in American politics, played out across 1-2 generations (Grampa McCain, Mom Clinton, Son Obama)?
Did you say googlebomb?
Why I don’t support John McCain, the short list.
McCain thinks the economic problems in America is not real, says it’s just a “psychological” problem. McCain’s housing policy was shaped by a lobbyist who was being paid by a foreign government to feed him that very policy! Remember Bush’s plan to
gamble social security on the stock marketprivatize Social Security? Well, McCain is on board and touring with Bush to make that plan a reality. McCain refuses any renegotiation of NAFTA, preferring to put the interests of multinational corporations ahead of the needs of working families. McCain continues to support Bush’s plan in Iraq. Don’t forget McCain’s idea that 100 years in Iraq is “fine” by him. McCain thinks it was right for Bush to veto funding for health insurance for poor children — even though he has always enjoyed government-run health care for himself! McCain even stands with Bush and against 75 out of 100 Senators who voted to update the GI Bill. That is his version of supporting the troops. McCain does not support a womans right to choose, and wants Roe vs Wade overturned!Considering that this is a very partial list, the real question should be how could anyone support this mans ambition to be the President of the United States?
I, too thought the anti-Obama stuff was largely racist,, but last night, having dinner with several Jewish friends, I realized it’s more than that. They finally admitted that their opposition to him is based on ”he’s not pro-Israel enough” — sheesh I’m not even sure what that means — ans they couldn’t articulate it well enough to tell me.
Aside from Ahmedinezhad recognizing that Dubya wants to do it ASAP?
The best part of McGreen’s speech was the daggers thrown at Bush.
That’s gotta be getting the wingnut Bushista’s all riled up.
After witnessing last nights speech, Limbaugh was right….John McCain will destroy the Republican party.
-G
No, he made an incredible connection between the African-American community and the Jewish community with his imagery of the murder of civil rights workers, two of whom were Jewish and the commitment of the Jewish community to the whole Civil Rights community. It was pretty incredible.
How did McCain follow that? Job creation is a no brainer – federal work projects re: Construction of Solar and Wind infrastructure with big federal investment, roll back tax cuts for millionaires, tax credits for home solar installations will jumpstart the economy and make jobs. Close offshore tax havens.
Obama can get back the jobs. So could McCain, but that’s not what McCain is about. McCain is just like Bush.
There has to come a time when you have to decide which country you want to belong to and stick with it.
sounds like neocon kool-aid
I think he might have put a nail in that golem with his AIPAC speech today.
It was expressed more eupemistically. She reaffirmed her opposition to a nuclear Iran as the best way to prevent an existential threat to Israel, but made a statement to the effect that Iran has to know that any actual nuclear attack on Israel would have the most severe consequences.
Obama :: Kennedy
McCain :: Nixon
Bring on the debates!!
The GOP has burned every ethnic bridge in the US. So now they want to try to poach the largely Democratic Jewish vote by fanning anti-Obama senitments via smears, lies and innuendo.
-G
Wow in what way?
Right on. The time of “Bigots Rule” is almost over. We’ve still got a lot of work to do.
There is now a huge Confederate battle flag flying in full view of I-75 and I-4 in Tampa. It’s on private property whose owners say the property is going to be used as a memorial to Confederate veterans. To this great-great grandson of a Captain in the South Carolina cavalry it’s nothing more than a thinly veiled display of racism. Huge controversy here. Jerks.
Do you know if that speech is up any where?
You are too kind to McCain.
Media coach? I bet McCain doesn’t think he needs one. He’s played the media pretty well all along. And he’s a Maverick!! He don’t need no stinkin’ media coach!!
I think that McCain wanted to make a clear “optics” contrast last night with Obama — but I think it was done poorly.
Part of McCain’s message is going to be “average American”… and he wants to be able to get people to associate Obama through “optics” with Wright and Pfleger. On the purely visual/aural level, the similarities between the “rally” aspects of Wright, Pfleger and Obama are striking — its all about ‘call-and-response” and whipping the audience up into a frenzy.
So McCain is going to be sending a “comfort” message in his presentations… while emphasizing the question “what change does Obama really want to bring about”.
Whenever Ahamadinejad does his inflammatory rants, remember that Kruschev said: “We will bury you.”
The government of Iran is far more pragmatic than we are lead to believe.
I mean the Iranians never even got invovled in any of the regional wars against Israel since 1948.
-G
The Maverick!
Reaching a point whereby – if you don’t say you want to confront Iran, you are an anti-s*mite.
If anyone has a link to the AIPAC speeches, I’d love it, too. I missed them this morning…thanks!
What is more promising than a really bad speech is the fact that his advisors put him out there last night – not such a great strategy.
Christy, you say that Clinton was fantastic, and certainly compared to McCain she looked great: energetic delivery and a fired-up crowd. And I don’t blame her for not conceding immediately. But I’m troubled by the large numbers of shots she took in that speech at the legitimacy of Obama’s victory. She claimed that she’d gotten the most votes of any primary candidate ever (including Obama). There are ways to count the popular vote that put Clinton in the lead (and I disagree with those ways, as you have to cherry-pick what counts and what doesn’t), but that’s a separate argument. Why bring the point up last night of all nights? She also took a shot at the party for the way it settled Florida and Michigan (”count every vote” again).
A lot of people admire Hillary Clinton, and I certainly admire her tenacity. But I think it would be best for the party if Obama stands up to her, making no concessions to her until she shifts her rhetoric. After she does that, I’d be happy to see her take on a major role: cabinet secretary, or point person for getting health care reform through Congress (including revising Obama’s plan to be more like Hillary’s). I don’t think giving her the VP slot will help the ticket, as debates will be particularly painful: all her Republican VP opponent has to do is keep bringing up her attacks on Obama during the primary.
But if Clinton keeps attacking Obama and Obama is seen to cave to such tactics, that will only hurt all Democrats.
What comfort? Sitting on the barca lounger on the basement watching the football game?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..05168.html
Not to mention T-Mac introducing her as the “Next President of the United States”.
well, when you rule out “retaliation” as a disincentive for bad behavior, “confrontation” is really the only way to stop someone from doing whatever the heck they want.
McCain is being sacrificed by the GOP. He is being mishandled on purpose. I have a feeling there may be an upset at the gopper convention.
Best articulated by Alan Dershowitz’ only argument, “I’m right and if you disagree with anything I say you’re anti-semetic.”
Not only is the argument illogical, it’s dishonest. It’s what the Likud supporters use to halt any discussion that may contain any criticism of Israeli policies whatsoever.
That would be fun to watch – many GOP heads exploding :)
What about the speech was “Wow”?
I have not seen a transcript yet, but it was flat freaking awesome. His platitudes about joint US-Israeli security were nothing new, but his appeal to the Jewish-African American dedication to Civil Rights shook the place.
yes, Nelson. That’s exactly right.
Its the guy sitting in front of his TV that McCain is trying to appeal to.
Welcome to McCain’s base.
See 105… I’m neither African American nor Jewish, but his use of that example was powerful and meaningful.
Thanks for the link.
Camp Pain Optics: McCain Is Low; Fully Whacking
heh, googlebombs are much better than cluster bombs :)
I streamed them live on cspan.org, cspan3, this morning. Don’t know if they hit the archives or not.
is it my computer or is formatting off at the lake?
don’t miss this political cartoon.
Go Punaise!
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I did a hard refresh and it became normal – whatever that is these crazy days.
lol! perfect
We should start calling him McCorpse. Is that too mean? But he’s looked like a walking corpse for awhile now.
Perhaps confront wasn’t the best word choice. By confront, I mean barbra-ann. If you don’t say you want to barbra-ann, then you are not an A*PAC team player, ergo anti-s*mite.
If you mean that to confront implies diplomatic efforts, ie: just talking, then you are quite possibly ant-s*mite.
Mitt Romney’s ass is being measured for a sattle to be placed on a white horse as we read.
-G
Yes, I did.
I think we should start calling him the non-Elitist Mr. Cindy Lou McCain-Hensley… after all, he’s just a blue-collar guy with a $100 million kicking around somewhere…
according, of course, to aipac and the neocon kool-aid drinkers. My non-neocon jewish friends don’t seem to think that i am antisemitic.
oh yeah, much better.
thanks
((((Quaker girl))))
You know, pro-Israel does not mean pro-Likud.
Unless you’re in A*PAC, apparently.
Sadly, No! strikes again.
big mistake. Not only is it a bad idea for Obama to TRY and put Hillary “in her place”, it won’t work — and will only strengthen her resolve — and strengthen her standing with her supporters.
Remember, everyone said she was done in February. Well, Obama had two very good weeks, and since then has been losing every contest of any significance since then — and not just losing them, but losing them by big margins in most cases.
There are certain building materials that are stronger under pressure — and other building materials that crack or warp under pressure. Democrats have had so many “leaders” who “warp under pressure” that when they have to deal with one that just grows stronger with more pressure they don’t know what to do.
Hillary Clinton is a strong, independent woman who isn’t going to be pushed around by anyone — and is going to make a POINT of not being pushed around if anyone tries to do it. And while the fauxgressive blogosphere was begging for someone like that to lead the party but rejected her in favor of a weak candidate, millions upon millions of rank and file democrats were also looking for a strong leader — and they found her in Hillary Clinton. Her VOTER support is going to stand with her as long as she decides she wants to stand, and the longer it takes the Party to figure that out, the worse off the Party will be.
Hillary Clinton owes NOTHING to the party after saturday — anything she does for the party from now on will be done for the good of the country. ANd I get the feeling that Clinton really believes that it is in the best interest of the country for her to not back down — that despite her public pronouncements that “Obama can win”, she knows better — so she’s not giving up.
The smartest thing that Obama can do right now is say that the nomination will be determined at the convention, and that he is not assuming that he will be the nominee, he is just preparing in case he is chosen. Show Clinton the respect that she has earned and deserved, accept the fact that NEITHER has ‘won’ anything and can’t ‘win’ anything until August, and Clintno and her supporters are far more likely to be willing to support Obama.
But don’t TELL them what they have to do for the good of the party. Because WE have a different idea of what is good for the party, and it doesn’t include Barack obama at the top of the ticket.
Wow! That was really bad.
I’ve been repeatedly amazed at just how badly the McCain campaign is being run. I think it reinforces my theory that the strong GOP candidates were all smart enough to see that they weren’t going to win this year, and wanted to avoid being tagged as a loser. It’d be interesting to know more about the staffers, and find out if most of the successful GOP operatives are also sitting this one out, or fighting to be employed by the few Republican Senate and House campaigns that aren’t on the edge of disaster, too.
Still letting this crap float huh?
On the purely visual/aural level, the similarities between the “rally” aspects of Wright, Pfleger and Obama are striking — its all about ‘call-and-response” and whipping the audience up into a frenzy.
Once the frenzy wears off and I wipe the foam off, I find myself still liking what the guy has to say and believing that he can do an excellent job in the Presidency.
McCorpse and Trollop McCorpse.
What’s up with McCain’s stupid slogan too? A leader we can believe in? That’s as lame as that green background. Didn’t he get the Reagan memo? All backgrounds need to be red, white and blue! That’s like not wearing a flag pin! McCain isn’t patriotic!
I think all we need to say is “white working people” – no one will ever forget that.
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He’s just a regular guy whose “rustic cabin” has a guest house…
W: ow!
I certainly will not.
I wanted to take this opportunity to agree with you about something. (Really! No snark intended.)
Watching and listening to McCain was scary. His delivery and facial expressions were otherworldly. It is too bad and very disappointing that Hillary could not have shown as much class as Obama, when she extended her congratulations! Her refusal to concede was unfathomable, but then its typical Clinton.
i missed the zed on BT’s McBush
Did anybody see that movie THEY LIVE! ? McCain looks like one of those guys.
Does that mean we need tinfoil hats AND special sunglasses?!
OT: Some people have conjectured that it would help to heal things if MI and FL delegates were given full votes. So, I asked myself how that might affect the numbers. The bottom line is that Obama has currently has a growing lead of 250 votes, and Hillary has 24 more MI&FL votes (i.e., 48 more half-votes) than Obama. Turning those half-votes into full votes, would close the gap by 24 votes, i.e., by less than 10%.
I think you may be right.
I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I’m all out of bubblegum.
Camp Pain Optics: Neo-Con-Cavity
That would be “fresh” out of bubblegum.
fermaldahyde face
ha!
now if we can only figure out which one of us is the stopped clock! ;)
Oh, my goodness. McCain is not inhabiting that speech at all. He sounds like a public service announcement or Mr. Rogers.
This delivery gives the impression that the Republicans are talking down to the voters. McCain probably thinks he has to sound compassionate.
They’re going to dump McCain
Their only shot this year is Jesus Christ, and they can’t afford to lose. So, you heard it here first, they pull McCain and send in the A Team. Maybe they’ll have their new candidate raise McCain from the dead as His first miracle of the campaign season.
This is the best speech I have ever seen Hillary give.
If you wonder by please give a Digg for all of Christy’s fine Post!
Last night, my Black Helicopter Alert Level rose to ”Orange”. Here on the west coast, during Obama’s speech, MSNBC’s audio (on Charter Cable) was about a half second behind the video. I switched to CNN, and the same problem just not as bad. Anyone know why that would be?
In the heat of the moment, some bloggers are saying they would vote for McCain rather than Obama–I try to avoid those threads but they do exist.
At the same time, I keep running into lifelong GOPers who say they will definitely vote for Obama. Will it even out? Who knows? But as long as Obama and Clinton both look and sound fantastic–and fight together for a Democratic win in November–and McCain continues to look like a has-been, I’m not too worried, despite the slime that is sure to come.