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	<title>Comments on: Sen. Kennedy Up After Surgery, And His Words From 1980 Still Ring True</title>
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		<title>By: DBaker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/03/sen-kennedy-up-after-surgery-and-his-words-from-1980-still-ring-true/#comment-1476682</link>
		<dc:creator>DBaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hey - I am with you!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem is that there are quite a few non-political people out there who see McCain as that funny guy who was on Leno and Letterman - it’s how we got the idiot who we could have a beer with now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Your talking points are perfect - our job is to spread them around enough to the people you know who are not necessarily political and/or wired.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey &#8211; I am with you!</p>
<p>The problem is that there are quite a few non-political people out there who see McCain as that funny guy who was on Leno and Letterman &#8211; it’s how we got the idiot who we could have a beer with now.</p>
<p>Your talking points are perfect &#8211; our job is to spread them around enough to the people you know who are not necessarily political and/or wired.</p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:10:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Much of what Teddy said was from Bobby’s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/rfkcapetown.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Tiny Ripple of Hope&lt;/i&gt; speech&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much of what Teddy said was from Bobby’s <a href="http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/rfkcapetown.htm" rel="nofollow"><i>Tiny Ripple of Hope</i> speech</a></p>
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		<title>By: john in sacramento</title>
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		<dc:creator>john in sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:40:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Thanks for this Christy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for trying to get people to come together and remind us what unites us. I went back and &lt;i&gt;tried&lt;/i&gt; to read your thread from yesterday, which was also about uniting, and I &lt;i&gt;can not&lt;/i&gt; believe the hatred and vitriol - &lt;i&gt;still&lt;/i&gt; - of some people who can’t let go and accept that not everyone thinks as they do, they can’t accept that good well-meaning people came to different conclusions than they did. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;These people are “adults,” but honestly, from the words and purported future actions, you have to come to the conclusion, from reading their words, that they are - hopefully - only temporarily immature and irrational: paraphrasing from that thread and (faulty?) memory of other comments from the last few months; “you just made McCain the next President,” “I’ll vote for McCain before I vote for that person,” “delegates were stolen” … I could go on and on&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WOW!!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I confess I’m not seeing what they are seeing, and I don’t know if I ever will.   I guess I think the election is too important, what with troops in harms way in Iraq and Afghanistan, people dying because of a lack of healthcare, kids going to bed hungry, choice, the homeless, the budget deficit, the economy, schools falling apart.  I just don’t see the utility in voting for more of the same - as some have threatened - and being bitter and angry and hating those who somehow disagree with your choice of candidates and with the result of that hatred we wind up getting more flag burning amendments, laws against teh gays, and finding out who wears the biggest flag pin&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But that’s just me …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Back to Ted Kennedy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Probably my first memory that I can pin down with a date was when I was  two (yea, somehow it burned into my memory). My Mom was watching tv and was crying, I had a horrible feeing something very intense happened, she said Bobby Kennedy got shot. I didn’t really know what that meant but that it was something very significant. I think most of it was that we’re half Irish and all Catholic.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The next thing I knew … there was a funeral and Bobby’s brother Ted got up to speak. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And, I knew I should’ve been more interested in cartoons, or where my toys were, but for some reason I stayed on the couch with my parents. I also remember my brothers and sisters being there as well. I don’t remember a lot but for some reason I was content to try my best to console my parents as best I could. I don’t know how I knew that the words he was speaking were important … but somehow I knew.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Here’s most of what he said that day &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JTYnMpRyg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JTYnMpRyg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Get well Teddy&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Slainte chugat (Good health to you)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Go mbeannai Dia duit (May God bless you)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this Christy</p>
<p>Thanks for trying to get people to come together and remind us what unites us. I went back and <i>tried</i> to read your thread from yesterday, which was also about uniting, and I <i>can not</i> believe the hatred and vitriol &#8211; <i>still</i> &#8211; of some people who can’t let go and accept that not everyone thinks as they do, they can’t accept that good well-meaning people came to different conclusions than they did. </p>
<p>These people are “adults,” but honestly, from the words and purported future actions, you have to come to the conclusion, from reading their words, that they are &#8211; hopefully &#8211; only temporarily immature and irrational: paraphrasing from that thread and (faulty?) memory of other comments from the last few months; “you just made McCain the next President,” “I’ll vote for McCain before I vote for that person,” “delegates were stolen” … I could go on and on</p>
<p>WOW!!!</p>
<p>I confess I’m not seeing what they are seeing, and I don’t know if I ever will.   I guess I think the election is too important, what with troops in harms way in Iraq and Afghanistan, people dying because of a lack of healthcare, kids going to bed hungry, choice, the homeless, the budget deficit, the economy, schools falling apart.  I just don’t see the utility in voting for more of the same &#8211; as some have threatened &#8211; and being bitter and angry and hating those who somehow disagree with your choice of candidates and with the result of that hatred we wind up getting more flag burning amendments, laws against teh gays, and finding out who wears the biggest flag pin</p>
<p>But that’s just me …</p>
<p>Back to Ted Kennedy</p>
<p>Probably my first memory that I can pin down with a date was when I was  two (yea, somehow it burned into my memory). My Mom was watching tv and was crying, I had a horrible feeing something very intense happened, she said Bobby Kennedy got shot. I didn’t really know what that meant but that it was something very significant. I think most of it was that we’re half Irish and all Catholic.</p>
<p>The next thing I knew … there was a funeral and Bobby’s brother Ted got up to speak. </p>
<p>And, I knew I should’ve been more interested in cartoons, or where my toys were, but for some reason I stayed on the couch with my parents. I also remember my brothers and sisters being there as well. I don’t remember a lot but for some reason I was content to try my best to console my parents as best I could. I don’t know how I knew that the words he was speaking were important … but somehow I knew.</p>
<p>Here’s most of what he said that day </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JTYnMpRyg" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9JTYnMpRyg</a></p>
<p>Get well Teddy</p>
<p>Slainte chugat (Good health to you)</p>
<p>Go mbeannai Dia duit (May God bless you)</p>
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		<title>By: BargainCountertenor</title>
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		<dc:creator>BargainCountertenor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:16:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Mc&lt;strike&gt;CainBush&lt;/strike&gt;Same is what Lt. Countertenor would describe as “a target-rich environment.”  Let’s see what we’ve got.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He &lt;a href=&quot;http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;publicly&lt;/a&gt; referred to his wife as c*** (a four-letter word beginning with c that I can’t use).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He thinks everything’s going so well in Iraq that we ought to stay for another 100 years or so.  (Too, too many sources to link that one)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He says he needs education on the economy, but has one of the architects of the anarchy we’re in as his chief economic advisor.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He’s a veteran who thinks that updating the GI bill to be what it was for my father will hurt recruiting and retention in the armed forces.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He voted against the Bush tax cuts before he was for them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Lordy, lordy, DB.  Where do you start with this guy?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He was pro-choice until he was anti-abortion.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He thinks Sammy Alito and John Roberts are just swell Supreme Court Justices.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;He said Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were agents of intolerance (got that right!), then stopped just short of fellating Falwell on the dais at a Liberty U commencement ceremony.  I guess they aren’t such agents of intolerance after all.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Where I come from, we call folks with those sorts of flexible principles Pander Bears.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BC — or maybe it’s Lordy, lordy, where do you stop?  Starting in on Mc&lt;strike&gt;CainBush&lt;/strike&gt;Same is like trying to eat a Lay’s Potato Chip.  You can’t stop after just a few…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mc<strike>CainBush</strike>Same is what Lt. Countertenor would describe as “a target-rich environment.”  Let’s see what we’ve got.</p>
<p>He <a href="http://rawstory.com/news/2008/McCain_temper_boiled_over_in_92_0407.html" rel="nofollow">publicly</a> referred to his wife as c*** (a four-letter word beginning with c that I can’t use).</p>
<p>He thinks everything’s going so well in Iraq that we ought to stay for another 100 years or so.  (Too, too many sources to link that one)</p>
<p>He says he needs education on the economy, but has one of the architects of the anarchy we’re in as his chief economic advisor.</p>
<p>He’s a veteran who thinks that updating the GI bill to be what it was for my father will hurt recruiting and retention in the armed forces.</p>
<p>He voted against the Bush tax cuts before he was for them.</p>
<p>Lordy, lordy, DB.  Where do you start with this guy?</p>
<p>He was pro-choice until he was anti-abortion.</p>
<p>He thinks Sammy Alito and John Roberts are just swell Supreme Court Justices.</p>
<p>He said Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson were agents of intolerance (got that right!), then stopped just short of fellating Falwell on the dais at a Liberty U commencement ceremony.  I guess they aren’t such agents of intolerance after all.</p>
<p>Where I come from, we call folks with those sorts of flexible principles Pander Bears.</p>
<p>BC — or maybe it’s Lordy, lordy, where do you stop?  Starting in on Mc<strike>CainBush</strike>Same is like trying to eat a Lay’s Potato Chip.  You can’t stop after just a few…</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 22:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am not a Hillary supporter and wouldn’t feel bad if I were … I was speaking to Jane’s thought that we either unite or lose.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER … CORRUPTION DOESN’T START WHEN YOU TAKE BRIBES, CORRUPTION STARTS WHEN YOU TAKE SIDES !!!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;… &lt;em&gt;that was fun&lt;/em&gt; … &lt;strong&gt;*g*&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a Hillary supporter and wouldn’t feel bad if I were … I was speaking to Jane’s thought that we either unite or lose.</p>
<p>The only thing worse than a sore loser is a sore winner</p>
<p>KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER … CORRUPTION DOESN’T START WHEN YOU TAKE BRIBES, CORRUPTION STARTS WHEN YOU TAKE SIDES !!!</p>
<p>… <em>that was fun</em> … <strong>*g*</strong></p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Then it must be very good news to you that a major soap like Days is doing this consistently.  Several times a week they have normal conversations about what main characters are doing to do their bit.  They’ve been doing this for weeks, more withing the last few weeks, but even earlier.  I know I’m very glad to see it!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then it must be very good news to you that a major soap like Days is doing this consistently.  Several times a week they have normal conversations about what main characters are doing to do their bit.  They’ve been doing this for weeks, more withing the last few weeks, but even earlier.  I know I’m very glad to see it!</p>
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		<title>By: martha</title>
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		<dc:creator>martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:46:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yep, pretty darn close. LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) is an official certification system promoted by the US Green Building Council. It’s a standardized system that looks at making new and existing buildings more efficient and sustainable. It was mostly for commercial buildings until very recently–they just rolled out LEED for Homes. Lots of building owners/managers across the US are either becoming LEED certified or are building to LEED standards.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, pretty darn close. LEED (Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design) is an official certification system promoted by the US Green Building Council. It’s a standardized system that looks at making new and existing buildings more efficient and sustainable. It was mostly for commercial buildings until very recently–they just rolled out LEED for Homes. Lots of building owners/managers across the US are either becoming LEED certified or are building to LEED standards.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Looks like Hillary was right; Super-delegates can change their minds!  Mostly, their changing the other direction, though!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like Hillary was right; Super-delegates can change their minds!  Mostly, their changing the other direction, though!</p>
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		<title>By: NorskeFlamethrower</title>
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		<dc:creator>NorskeFlamethrower</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1,862 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Citizen jackie:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ya know Sister jackie, she has been runnin for president for so long and spendin all that talent on her ambitions in lieu of workin politics for a constituency and legislation that I don’t know if there are very many people that trust her to be able to switch gears and direct her talents toward serving the public and solving problems.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And she’s got such a large posse ta feed and so many IOU’s out there that it’s a big risk ta put her anywhere in a subordinate position.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, LET’S LET THE NOMINEE MAKE HIS OWN CHOICES!!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1,862 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…</p>
<p>Citizen jackie:</p>
<p>Ya know Sister jackie, she has been runnin for president for so long and spendin all that talent on her ambitions in lieu of workin politics for a constituency and legislation that I don’t know if there are very many people that trust her to be able to switch gears and direct her talents toward serving the public and solving problems.</p>
<p>And she’s got such a large posse ta feed and so many IOU’s out there that it’s a big risk ta put her anywhere in a subordinate position.</p>
<p>KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, LET’S LET THE NOMINEE MAKE HIS OWN CHOICES!!</p>
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		<title>By: Ann in AZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ann in AZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I’d say yes if I knew for sure what LEED certified was.  I can tell you that they’re talking about guidelines that they have to follow and making all their appliances energy efficient and all that type of thing.  All of the work that they are talking about doing is to lead to a “green” certification.    Is that what LEED means?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d say yes if I knew for sure what LEED certified was.  I can tell you that they’re talking about guidelines that they have to follow and making all their appliances energy efficient and all that type of thing.  All of the work that they are talking about doing is to lead to a “green” certification.    Is that what LEED means?</p>
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