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Is it over? AP says so:
Hillary Rodham Clinton will concede Tuesday night that Barack Obama has the delegates to secure the Democratic nomination, campaign officials said, effectively ending her bid to be the nation's first female president.
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The former first lady will stop short of formally suspending or ending her race in her speech in New York City.
She will pledge to continue to speak out on issues like health care. But for all intents and purposes, the two senior officials said, the campaign is over.
But Reuters says -- not so fast.
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton is "absolutely not" planning to concede the campaign to Barack Obama on Tuesday night, Clinton campaign chairman Terry McAuliffe told CNN on Tuesday.
Hard to tell here but there's certainly lots of smoke.
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Let it end. Please. This is painful!
g’afternoon, BlueTexan and Firepups.
Hope this is over tonight. sigh.
glad the Lake is back up.
Yay! It’s over! Or almost over, or whatever. I’m just sick of Democrats tearing each other apart, when we can be tearing apart the Republicans. I just wonder what poor Larry Johnson will do with himself when this is all over.
Seems to be a lot of smoke in the air today.
Smoke, it that like bullshit?
Either that or everybody’s getting high. Not a bad alternative, really.
That stink you smell is that of a dead body that they refuse to bury for reasons unbeknownst to us mere mortal voters! The smoke is just a screen to try to hide the body!
Clinton shouldn’t concede until after the convention.
She could, however, suspend her campaign. In that way, she is still in the race if something happens to Obama’s campaign, if polling data indicate he isn’t succeeding against McCain in critical swing states, etc etc.
Also, if Obama and his campaign spurn Clinton and her supporters, the superdelegates will need to determine if this will make him less electable.
Hard telling, but there is lots of smoke.
Something in the Air from the Magic Christian.
I really do not advise using the phrase “dead body” in the context of a presidential candidate discussion. Unless you like men with earpieces and sidearms coming for a visit, I mean…
she will only concede tonite if Obama has 2,117 pledge delegates. So, she will not concede tonite,unless that happens. This explains the two conflicting stories. I think that just about covers all the bases
But if she concedes, what will CorrenteWire & TalkLeft do? I mean, they will have no reason to live.
Or, they can suck it up, and start working to defeat McSame in Nov. We’ll see.
Well, in context, I never even thought of that! It was just a figure of speech. *G*
Maybe she’ll announce her third-party independent candidacy…
*ducks* -Runs from room under hail of debris-
wonderful to see you here !
how’s that grandbaby ?
She could wait until Jan 19, 2009 to concede…just in case.
This is quite the season finale! what a cliffhanger!
Interesting that it is all about “them” sucking it up and joining “us.”
“Them” is half of the party, and the simple fact is that Obama’s campaign has the burden of winning “them” over. Sure most of “them” are solid Democrats who prefer Clinton to Obama, but it’s not their obligation to vote for Obama. He needs to earn that vote, doesn’t he?
This is an election that *should* be a given for the Democrats, no matter who the nominee is. But leave it to this party to screw it up ;-)
*sigh* This is like the neverending primary. Make it go away.
Hard to tell here but there’s certainly lots of smoke.
Coming from the ears of incensed clinton supporters.
someone’s been watching too much CSI…
After all McCain said that he’d be elected in January during a speech yesterday, so why not Hillary.
In that way, she is still in the race if something happens to Obama’s campaign, if polling data indicate he isn’t succeeding against McCain in critical swing states, etc etc.
New to politics?
Yeah, there’s a distinct possibility that Hillary could sstep in, in say, October, and continue the run against McCain. Uh-huh.
Geez.
I really do not advise using the phrase “dead body” in the context of a presidential candidate discussion
Senator Clinton’s gaffe notwithstanding.
if she doesn’t get out NOW, i’m gonna loose my whole entire mind!
what a mammoth drag on this party SHE AND HER HUSBAND ARE BEING, HAVE BEEN AND LOOKS LIKE WILL BE!!!!
she’s DESTROYING this party, his comments re the VF article are absolutely horrific. KO talked last night about them being finished doing all the damage they could to Obi, and now Bill’s comments re VF article. I don’t believe it!!!!!!!!
and if “hil” goes indy, watch, hide in the bushes and watch, she’ll pull a rethug train just like lyin joe lieberman is doing. but more subtle, more back room, IN SECRET.
SHIT!
as i said, my mind is about to go awol. sorry for the language, i just can’t hold it in right now.
I think she’ll back off and hang around in the wings, support Obama, but keep her foot in the door…just in case. She has already indicated so much.
just heard on ed schultz show - clinton campaign just announced AP story is incorrect.
hudson valley for obama still planning to gather & celebrate tonite :)
Will she or won’t she? As a great Zen master once said, “We’ll see.”
LOL!
thanks dosido!
i sooooo needed to laugh right about now.
did you guys read this, speaking of LAUGH!
She’ll acknowledge that Obama has the delegates, but she won’t concede?
I can practically hear Terry McAuliffe whispering “third party candidacy” from here.
I’m just ready to move onto McCain with both pea shooters blazin (hope that is an acceptable phrase)
We could ask her hairdresser…
Do you have to be so coase and ugly?
You know I was thinking that if both her and Bloomburg decide to run on an independent ticket that would really make life interesting (and not in a good way).
As in “Bong Hits for Stephen”? (The scamps at Princeton made such a sign when Colbert addressed them.
She can’t admit any possibility of dropping out while people are still going to the polls…
…I would so love to go to bed tonight with the knowledge that this freaking primary is over!
(((siri)))
hang on kiddo. let go of the caps lock key. breathe.
frankly, I think I might have some withdrawals, like when a Top Chef season ends.
“Them” is half of the party, and the simple fact is that Obama’s campaign has the burden of winning “them” over. Sure most of “them” are solid Democrats who prefer Clinton to Obama, but it’s not their obligation to vote for Obama. He needs to earn that vote, doesn’t he?
You mean like running an excellent capaign, getting hundreds of thousands of new voters registered, campaigning in every state, fighting every step of the way … oh, and wining.
Guess what, Obama has already made his case to Democrats and they liked what he offered up and gave him the nomination.
If Clinton supporters want to, they can join in, but after almost two years of campaigning, there isn’t much more to be done to woo Clitonites, either they leave or stay, at this point, fuck’em all.
Unfortunately she is not suspending her campaign as her people are saying she is only conceding a point. That is that Barack has enough committed delegates to clinch right now. But as she is so fond of repeating the delegates can always change their minds. And damn the will of the people unless the will is with her.
Oy.
No no no, if your dreams should be big, your nightmares should be BIGGER: I figured she’d pick Liebermann.
You guys are all ugly. No wonder Clinton supporters don’t want to join your OB group. If he is as ugly as you are — well, then he should lose — or maybe –going by the Bush standards, he will be a winner.
Hmmm, Raven coarse and ugly? Nope our Raven is all sweet and lightness..LOL
Top Chef! This season in particular…
you must have missed Ther’s post. Now that would get a bunch of panties in a bunch.
it’s a large part of his charm :D
On the other hand, he loves a good disco and a foolin’ around…
The rethugs aren’t even fired up about THEIR MAN. If McSame gets this election, I swear to all that’s truth, justice and the American way, IT IS “hil’s” total complete fault!!!!
i wonder if Pelosi is “in touch with that”?????
WHERE on Earth are some dynamic, intelligent and decisive PARTY LEADERS???
HELLO???
You are NEEDED NOW on the floor! NOW!!!!
With all the memory gaffs and mispeaking, McCain is scary. Even the Clintons have to see that four years of McCain is four years too many. It’s so disappointing that their lust for power trumps all else.
oh, *that* oughta piss him off… lol.
Obstetrics?
I agree wholeheartedly.
still trying to figure out stagecraft for tonight
can not tell from HRC site when she is scheduled to speak
BO - gates open at 7 cst
oh boy. scrolling.
Now, there is a path to victory in the fall.
omg.
lol!
ok
sorry about the caps. i am. i’ll tone it down, but i’m fresh outa stuff to throw here and i’m seriously goin brinksmanship!
I saw an interview with John Harwood recently, and he was saying that Hillary Clinton will control something like 45% of the convention delegates for the DNC. So, yes, that is roughly close to half the party apparatus — and a similar number in terms of raw votes from the primaries if not a bit higher in terms of percentages on that.
It’s a huge question on how many of those voters will support Obama rather than McCain — or how many will simply stay home altogether. Anyone who doesn’t think those are big numbers hasn’t been paying attention to the close margins in 2000 and 2004 –and the GOP dirty tricks squad. Newly registered voters do not make up enough of the totals on that to close the gap without a significant portion of Clinton supporters voting for Obama, at least not by any math I’ve seen on the possibilities and percentages.
And, frankly, I’m not willing to simply write-off the concerns and hopes of half the Democratic party, regardless of the candidate. None of us should be.
LOL!!!
Trolls abound this week.
CDT
No more caffeine for you today…
Actually, A Bloomburg and Clinton ticket would really muddy things, and Lierman is not really an option.
I l-o-v-e-d that post! I was laughing for the longest f***in’ time.
I think somebody ain’t seen nothing yet.
LMAO…
Sort of like the Current Occupant’s approach to diplomacy…(although I understand the emotional pull of this strategy in this particular situation…)
Yes mam. I am sorry. I shouldn’t vent like that here. I won’t do it again. Truly.
mea culpa
Get the pup’s chew toy. They’re more fun broken in, anyhow.
If his charm is bullshit — you all have a problem
She doesn’t need to concede anything. However it is little tactless to so the least to hold a competing victory rally at the same time as Obama. Other trailing candidates haven’t conceded until the convention in the past but they did continue their campaigns as if they could win. Continue to tear down the frontrunner and attempting to find some magic bullet or kryptonite or whatever rabbit to pull out of the hat hoping to step in when he goes down. Just suspend the campaign. Try to get the loyal supporters to chill out and accept the party candidate for the good of the country not their egos.
And, frankly, I’m not willing to simply write-off the concerns and hopes of half the Democratic party, regardless of the candidate. None of us should be.
Which is why Obama *must* offer Hillary something good. In fact, he might have to offer her whatever it is that she decides that she wants. But he must make the offer.
OTOH, Hillary has no choice but to campaign hard for Obama, or run the risk of being blamed eternally, in the event that Obama should lose the general.
Until Clinton admits that Obama has enough delegates to win the nomination before the election, she still does not have to campaign for him or support him, and she continues to enhance a division of the forces of the Democratic party. It puts a wedge just that much deeper between the two sides. (If she isn’t aware of this, then she’s not as smart as I think she is. Therefore, I assume she is doing what she’s doing with all due deliberation.)
I am not one bit wary of Obama rejecting her or her supporters in any way. He’s been extremely conciliatory and complimentary to her and seems to be offering a hand to her to try to ease the blow to ego from having all the name recognition and a campaign chest full of money when this campaign started and still getting beat by, basically, the new kid in town. (I think the problem is that Obama has her husband’s talent as a politician, and although she’s good, sadly for her, she couldn’t beat her husband’s surrogate in the talent contest.) I am worried about her ability to swallow her pride and take his hand and unite this party as she promised!
Yes, because it would make no sense whatsoever for both candidates to have an evening with their staunchest supporters, draw out the news cycle a few more days to suck the oxygen out of the McCain campaign altogether and then have a unity event together which would draw significant media coverage for the Dem nominee. Why on earth would anyone want to plan something like that as a surprise rather than satisfying everyone’s “gimme gimme now” immediate urges?!?
Jeebus, doesn’t anyone contemplate the Occam’s Razor possibility any longer instead of going straight to the conspiracy theory worst case scenario?
Well said.
I missed it too, but laughed my fanny off while reading it - especially some of the more polite kidz using “that language”
couldn’t believe I missed my chance to use F***y McF***ington handle
I’m not willing to either. their concerns, perceptions and feelings should be acknowledged and addressed but I will not take to the fainting couch either. I want a united party and will work towards it but the tone has to calm down on BOTH sides, period.
You’re forgetting: he only won half the party, and he can’t win the nomination outright, it’s in the hands of superdelegates.
So, yeah, he needs to win the other half of the party, doesn’t he?
I see your having a “primaries up to here” day today :)
WAY Past Time For Her 11 O’Clock Number
Once again, I remind you of the curse of the Klopmann Diamond. Mr. Klopmann comes with it.
Obama/Clinton ‘08
It was cathartic. Esp for that particular Saturday’s business. Too bad Siri wasn’t there, she wouldn’t need CAPS today! :]
Anger only eats at the soul (and the mind quickly follows). Welcome to the Lake and join us in discussin how the dems can unite for the GE.
Personally, I think she’s holding out for her number, that 22?? number that she was talking about earlier on. If she continues this, I sure hope the superdelegates make that happen just to really put it to her that she lost. You would think she wouldn’t want her loss to be that great!
please no.
I thought it was gonna get contagious and we’d REALLY get a foul-mouthed label from the wingnutters.
Yes, that is the curse. The great, somewhat unspoken, but still elephant in the living room problem. If the diamond were it, I’d be OK. But it ain’t.
Well…we are living during the “bush years”. :]
She should be offered the chance to replace Hapless Harry Reid.
Oh, you must mean that Lieberman started a trend that she may follow! Now that would show some leadership, wouldn’t it? Follow Lieberman…hmmmm.
My prediction: Harold Ickes will be carried away in a straighjacket! He sure did a disservice to Clinton. How different things might have been if she had not welcome/allowed snakes like Ickes in her campaign.
Is it showing? I should probably take a Midol and stop agitating myself because it isn’t good for my female parts. *g* (Sorry, inside joke…but if Jane reads this, I’m sorry you spewed your water.)
Of course the campaign disavows any knowledge of her conceding tonight. People are still voting. It might be nice to let the good people of Montana and South Dakota have their say before calling the results.
Good grief. If Senator Clinton announces she’s leaving the race tonight, she’s due the respect of actually waiting until she announces it before either a) dancing on her presidential grave, or b) begin bewailing the end of her campaign.
How about we all be patient and wait for the thing to happen.
Then, we can begin the real tasks of defeating S’aint John McCain, ensuring legitimate vote counts in all 50 states (including Ohio & Florida), and not allowing Little Georgie and the Big Dick to pull something that (in their very flawed minds) justifies suspending the elections or refusing to turn over power in January.
Not all of Hillary’s Supporters are insane. Many see the future and are reasonable people. They will stay with the party. It is only the hard core Hillbots that will defect or stay home. They are akin to that 25%-30% that still believe Sadam was behind 9/11 and had WMD. Not to say that many actually espouse the vitriol of the loudest but it is a small minority of the whole.IMO
Good response and frankly it’s refreshing to read someone who writes with good logic about the need to embrace the large numbers of Clinton supporters with no malice or hatefulness towards Clinton who worked her heart out for the position of the Democratic nominee. As I read the blogs which I do rarely these days — supporters of Obama do not acknowledge that Hillary Clinton had almost the same number of votes as Obama. I just don’t understand the negativity and bitterness from the Obama supporters in the recent days — when they have won!!
Excuse me, but after the convention, wouldn’t his VP become the candidate. (Wow, I hadn’t thought of that before. If that’s true, please let it be Edwards!)
707….choke on coffee
I kinda like the seat on the USSC idea.
Nino would immediately announce his retirement.
So would his valet.
I don’t know about you but…
I’m a lifelong Democrat but I’m voting for war hero John McCain. You should too.
It is not half or the party. It is only a small percentage of the half that are support her and then only a part of those who are still spewing venom against non-hillary supporters
A disease that will turn one into a miserable human being.
And welcome, Theresa43. We have some intelligent, compassionate (and passionate) folks here. Lots of talent and lots of ideas. Jump right in. Just beware the shallow edge of the Lake where the trolls like to congregate. Little suckers like to bite for no reason.
How about “white working people” and stuff like that? That sort of thing could destroy the base we have.
Don’t expect Clinton to concede.
After Saturday, she’s not going to concede any time soon. She knows that she owes it to herself, her party, and her country not to concede after a back room deal so ineffably corrupt that they had to break every rule in the book to accomplish it just to make sure that Obama — a candidate in DEEP trouble — was able to claim the nomination and continue acting as if he the convention had been held and the nomination settled.
She’s not going to concede because she’s not going to let herself, or her supporters, be treated like that.
PUMA!!!
I’m a lifelong Democrat but I’m voting for war hero John McCain. You should too
Hey - no hate speech here.
except for those of us who aren’t.
i get your point, but the death count for this mis Administration can not be discounted.
Ok, now I need another cup coffee. Between you and Christie I lost this one..
lol :)
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A life long Democrat would never say that or do that. Go Away!
Honey, you just got voted off the island.
what are you talking about — white working people — how is she going to destoy your base?
McCain turned his back on his war hero status to become the Bush toady he is today.
Hi Theresa,
a BO supporter here. I acknowledge that HRC is a very capable politician. Earlier in the race, hoping my candidate would win I was hoping she would become a prominent member of the cabinet. I didn’t like what I was hearing from the HRC camp when the race became excruciatingly competitive.
BTW, I was originally for Edwards, but my hopes were dashed early on. anyway, fwiw. and if you are new to the Lake, Raven is one of our more colorful characters and his heart is in the right place. Raw emotions abound these days and you’re probably going to read that everywhere.
Stick around and we’ll learn stuff together.
LMAO!!!
Do the words, “To the victor goes the spoils.” mean anything anymore?
To my mind, once a guy has won the number of delegates that are required by the rules, that means that the majority of the party has made the decision as to who the party’s delegate is. If the remainder from the losing side don’t like it, you’re right, they are not obligated, but then they are either no longer Democrats, but Independents, or they should go and start a party of their own. Otherwise, it is incumbent on them to unite with the winning side.
Oh god — are we going to have to start adding /snark tags to everything now?