And her husband can get through the vetting, how exactly?

Mrs Greenspan on the case.

Exactly….Andrea, tell them….Andrea, now tell them…Andrea…

My suggestion from the last thread is for the party to take a couple of days to run some serious polling to find out if the combined ticket is best for the party. Then she and Obama should make a decision based on the best chances for success in November. Let the math decide.

“Ever since Bill let the cat out of the bag, it’s been clear that this is what Hillary has been trying to leverage.”

Bwahahahahhaaa..

Sorry.

I really think the math is pretty obvious.

and Jane,

do you have a sense as to how this will work out ?

I thought all the leveraging was about paying down her campaign debts – and am kinda surprised by the VP gambit – just asking

Hilliary- Independent, hmmm………

I am amazed how we are even considering running the two most beatable candidates we have fielded this election

if there were any chance the republicans might have, we have given it to them

I still think we will bury them, but still we are surely not fielding the most winnable ticket

however, if obama does indeed take office he will be considered one of the greatest presidents ever to live

me must make certain he wins, our fight will be fierce, we will battle bigots claiming they are “democrats against obama” and if hillary is on his tickets we will face mesogenists claiming the same.

our battle will be fierce, we will face caging, election fraud, voter fraud, machine flips

our battle will be fierce but the future of this republic is at stake and we MUST prevail

I wonder how much of this is Bill’s idea. I have gotten the impression that he really, really wants back into the WH.

Nooooo, hillary can’t take vp. I bet my dad a dollar she wouldn’t get it.

Yes, you’ve put your finger on it!

You know, people have been trying to stoke that all day long in the comments. Is there any particular place from whence that sentiment is coming? Because I have not heard one hint of an “independent” Clinton anything from anyone in her camp or elsewhere. And I’m beginning to wonder if this is being pushed from any particular set of locations — or whether people are coming up with this all on their own at the same exact time all day today…it’s got me curious.

Can someone important just gently sit her down and break it to her…

“Hillary, he’s just not that into you.”

It always seems to be part of the “we must all believe the absolute worst of Senator Clinton at all times.”

Having Billary as the next in line would be a big mistake on Obama’s part. I’m tired of Hillary and her DLC crowd, and while I liked Bill, his proclivities aside, his political abilities seem to have atrophied, big time. Last, how would Billary undercut the Prez (if elected) to set up a 2012 run? I like the idea of shuffling her of to HHS.

She can’t afford to run as an independent, unless she runs with Bloomberg…

I think Obama would be open to having her on the ticket if it weren’t for Bill. But, Bill looms large.

I’m just wondering if that is coming from some source that someone could link up for me — or if it’s just one of those “I heard it from someone who heard it” kinds of things. Or whether it really is people coming up with it independently. Because until today, it’s not something I noticed anyone talking about at all. And suddenly it’s been in every comment thread today thus far that I’ve seen.

Just think of the power Hillary would wield as V.P.
thanks to the work of Big Dick.

I wouldn’t dismiss the idea that it the work of trolls.

Given that a number of Obama supporters seem to have gone out of their way to offend Hillary’s supporters, (which is the last thing Obama wants,) Obama is stuck with having to clean up that mess if he hopes to gather a winning coalition together. He should figure out which of any number of Democrats would be most effective in recovering the Hillary supporters. It might be Hillary, it might be one of her staunch supporters, it might be a governor, like Richardson. The object of all ire should be John McCain/George Bush.

No idea.

Oh to be a fly on the wall of their respective campaigns — I’m sure the tension is quite thick.

I’ve noticed it a few times over the last few weeks, but again, mainly as part of the let’s believe the worst from her no matter with no evidence of it crowd.

I’m sorry Christy I am one of the commenters who floated it up there earlier today. I did hear it mentioned one day on Green 960 (forget which show). This was about a week or so ago. I don’t remember if it was the host or a caller who brought it up. But it gave me chills because after Lieberman lost his primary but continued on to win it all anyway, it seemed like a plausible option.

But other more seasoned and reasoned commenters here have calmed me down. And my hubby :]

I hadn’t noticed it until today, which is why I was asking…anyone seen a source on it, or is it organic?

in line with perris’ comment -

why would you negate the thrust of your campaign: Change, by putting an uber-insider on the ticket ?

which may explain the root canal thingy – even if they were completely simpatico why would you hand the republicans that rather large cudgel ???

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

Negatives too high. Much much too high.

In my case, it only emerges from my fevered brain thinking “Now how could this all go terribly, terribly wrong?”

Hey, Balrog, good to see, er, read you.

Considering the turnout for the primaries, I think it’s probably a safe bet to call the General for Obama. At least it didn’t come down to Obama v Ron Paul.

Hillary can play many roles in an Obama cabinet. I think having her as Health Secretary to see through the implementation of Universal Health Care would be most apt, given how much time she’s spent fighting for this …

On the other hand, I consider it a “threefer”. To paraphrase Tina Fey and Amy Poehler, “Oh, NO, we wouldn’t want to have THREE eminently qualified leaders in the White House!?”

There is this, but I don’t see a source for the number they quote. But it does come from a likely suspect.

I’ve heard this on Randi Rhodes show on Nova M….. it was one of those scenarios ….. If I can’t play on the big D court then will I take my ball and create my own court as an Independent….

She gets my vote.

Correction: “important” roles …

I haven’t heard it from anywhere. It’s mainly me fretting about Hillary being a sore loser and how far she’ll go.

Boxturtle (I have also suggested only half in jest that she might join McBush)

I personally would support an Obama/Clinton ticket. I just worry about her negatives, could she bring them down? Yeah, a little polling wouldn’t hurt at this point.

I’ll be glad when this is over. And I hope that will be by tomorrow.

Okay, the numbers come from our buddies at Rasmussen. And the Freepers have a post on it, too.

I’m not going to go searching for the links again but yesterday I posted some data from wiki on voting totals. IIRC for the primaries to date, Obama had received roughly 17.8M voters and Clinton roughly 17.6M.

In ‘04 roughtly 122M total votes in the GE with Bush receiving 62M and Kerry 59M.

So even if Obama gets ALL of the Clinton votes, he still needs to gather another roughly 18M to 20M voters. Minimum.

It’ll be over tonight. MSNBC has Obama down to 19 delegates before having majority.

Her incendiary negatives have bothered me all along, even while I had supported her (marginally).

Wow. I guess I’m being overly optimistic. I’ll go see if I can find the data.

But is that before they once again move the goalposts?

thanks.

a part of me is smugly pleased some of these superdels are being pressured.

when Donna Brazille was publicly wringing her hands about this in early March – all I heard was ‘Oh please ! don’t make us stand up and be counted !

They’ve already moved it so far, it’s out of the damn stadium. Unless she stages some sort of revolt at the Convention.. I just don’t see it happening.

OT wingnut-welfare edition; Ernest Istook

There was this HRC operative on Abrams last night, and she kept deflecting the question of “OK, 2,118 is it, right?” She kept saying “we’ll see…”

There taking about HRC running as an independent on CNN right now…. They had poll info and supporters and non-supports comment on it…

TALKING ….. preview is my friend …. I do know it too…

Jane and Christy -

with you both on the thread – want to thank you both for keeping the Lake so pollution free this season. Your ability to see around corners never ceases to amaze – mad props

Senator Clinton makes the Change message difficult, and dulls Obama’s specific anti-war message. I think the GOPs will trip us up in the fall if we have someone who voted with McCain to prosecute this war (or even voted to empower the President to pursue diplomacy, as some saw their vote at the time).

Why not Barbara Boxer? Or Russ Feingold? Or Patty Murray?

Or Brian Schweitzer? Or Kathleen Sibelius? Or Janet Napolitano?

It’s a Hot Air Trial Balloon fest out there today.

Personally, I think all this talk of an independent run by Clinton is so much ratfucking from the ‘Pubs.

No person who works on the campaign is going to close the door publicly for her. That is Hillary’s move to make — to do otherwise would be incredibly disrespectful to a woman who has worked her ass off on this campaign for months. And no one — not Ickes, not McAuliffe, not even the Big Dog — is going to take that announcement away from her, I’d bet money on it. If and when it happens, it will be Hillary who says so — and no one else.

Anyone who is taking any public kabuki from any person involved with the campaign publicly or privately seriously over the next coupla days hasn’t been paying attention to the difference between “political theater” and “top level dealmaking.” All the action is at the Hillary/Wolfson/Ickes level and the Obama/Axelrod level — and all of the staffers know what they can say junkyard dog style to rile up supporters for fundraising purposes, and what they are really saying behind the scenes. It is the stuff we are NOT hearing right now that interests me…

Like my daddy used to say:

Life’s a gas.
Even if 75% of it is methane.

I’m willing to get that Obama will most likely tap Brian Schweitzer. He has a sound Energy Policy, Executive experience, and he’s also pro 2nd.

Give Hillary Senate Majority Leader. Knife-fighting insider policy wonk. Perfect gig for her. My senator, Harry Reid, show zero “testicular fortitude.”

1,862 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Hamsher:

It sure looks like this guy Obama knows how ta play political poker and all this attention Mrs. M*Clinton is tryin’ ta keep on herself on the day that should be all his is not gunna go very far toward gettin’ her what she wants when he matches the pot. My daughter is gunna be in the Civic Center tanight and I’m tellin’ ya that noboy around here is talkin’ about what poor Mrs. M*Clinton is gunna do.

What do you hear about the Obama strategy for tonight? He’s been nuthin’ but classy about this up to this point but, my God he’s gotta be close ta losin’ his patience with her.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION LET’S LISTEN TO THE WINNER TONIGHT!!

Ding!

After reading the shit that passes for comments over at Talk Left, I still have yet to hear a Clinton supporter answer this question — How’s that fucking war working out for ya?

Here’s hoping Obama has the sense to stay away from the swamp that is the Clinton name.

With Teddy and Byrd ill, she may decide to stay in the Senate.

Yeah, I have to agree. I stated on another thread that I thought she was in full-tilt corporate lawyer mode now, negotiating an incredibly complex M&A deal.

Gosh if you put it that way, I can’t see why on earth they aren’t running to answer your question.

O.o

Obama would be greatly served by having HCR as VP. With her energy and drive we might actually have an effective Executive Branch. When was the last time we had a Democratic Executive that was not being hamstrung by a war, a bad economy or a never ending investigation? If we can get out of Iraq, restore the American economy and avoid the endless investigations we may see meaningful health care reform, strengthened Social Security, and some renewed pride in our country.

Also HRC may be bargaining for her as VP, and perhaps Wes Clark at Defense. I hope she can convince Barrack to keep the Republicans out of the Cabinet. I hate thinking of him reaching out to Powell or the like.

silly u, it was only mismanaged.

Another positive on Schweitzer is that he lived and worked in the middle east for approx 12 years….

Agreed. The VP slot should go to a former governor, geographically far away from North/Northeast, Hispanic, Obama supporter but with ties to Billary…hmm, now who could that be?

I understand he’s got woman problems, though. Richardson may not be a wise choice, after all.

OH, right! That’s a big one! I can’t believe I left that one out.

I’d be concerned about their combined negatives/weaknesses having a multiplier effect, rather than compensating for each other.

Majority Leader.

Harry Reid needs to tend his homefires — his reelection in 2010 should be his highest priority. And he doesn’t want to get Daschled. I think he should step down as Majority Leader, but any 2008 gains in the Senate will credited to him by his peers. No Senator will challenge Reid, but his own electoral interests are served by stepping down.

And if he does, Durbin and Schumer are in line to succeed him, unless there’s an outsider challenge from someone like Dodd. I can’t see Clinton getting that slot without a real push from the White House.

Nooo waaayy!!

IIRC it’s popped up every once in awhile before today, but as a Doomsday scenario, not a viable possibility.
YMMV

FunnyD

Yeah, that’s right CHS, because there is no answer, just like their favored candidate could offer no rational explanation, neither can those who now claim that Obama was soooo fortunate to be black, because that’s why he won. It’s not just the Ferraro types who buy that horseshit, it’s people who claim the be Democrats.

Hillary is extremely capable and talented, but I don’t think she’d accept being saddle-broken by an uppity younger man with an agenda, a team behind him and a spouse as capable and ambitious as she. The personal and professional conflicts would be too great. Hillary seems incapable of playing an outwardly and inwardly capable lieutenant to the President. I don’t think she could resist engaging in palace intrigue; more likely, she’d lead it. We’ve had eight years of Cheney actually running the White House from the VP slot; we can’t afford another VP who wants to emulate him rather than denounce him.

We need, instead, a White House wholly behind the unique presidency that would be Obama’s. He will have unprecedented problems cleaning up after CheneyBush, with unprecedented obstruction from GOP’ers in Congress, those implanted in the federal bureaucracy, those in the punditocracy and think [sic] tanks. Not to mention unprecedented obstruction from the intelligence-industrial complex who have been newly and extravagantly enriched and empowered by CheneyBush’s rampant outsourcing. They would never accept any reforms of the outsourcing process or their scope of work, which has essentially displaced government skills at considerably greater cost.

Hillary and her many followers and the Democrats need her to fill a substantial, but I think, independent role. But what role? I still favor the Supreme Court.

I think Richardson’s ties to the Clintons are somewhat, um, frayed.

I would have to support such a push.

Clinton doesn’t harm Obama’s “change” message, not for at least half the party.

Remember, Obama isn’t able to fundamentally “change” politics. The reality is, we need to get “change” from the system as it is.

We went through Reagan and Bush (record deficits, Iran-Contra, voodoo economics, gargantuan federal government, “just say no”, etc), and B Clinton introduced change (budget surplus, peace and prosperity, all while fighting congress). Then W Bush came along and reversed all that.

Clinton-style change would be good. If Obama can do that, great. Even he can do better, even greater ;-)

Clinton-style change would be good

NAFTA, welfare reform, etc., etc,.

Oh yeah, I’m all for more of that shit.

We need several mid-forties liberal justices. Hillary is 60, Roberts is 53, Alito is 58.

She has zero ConLaw CV or chops.

not to mention the new precedents of the offive of vp.

Late to the party. Just read your post Jane. What an absolute cluster F***

“I am open to it,”

As a quick opinion (before returning to the garden) Dangerous, very dangerous. I would not want, were I BO, a clinton a heartbeat away.

ooops Cluster F*** does not mean your post!!!

After reading the shit that passes for comments over at Talk Left, I still have yet to hear a Clinton supporter answer this question — How’s that fucking war working out for ya?

Here’s hoping Obama has the sense to stay away from the swamp that is the Clinton name.

Thankfully, some comments are easy to rise above.

Do you mean Bush’s war? The one that Kerry also supported (you didn’t vote for Kerry, right?)? I won’t defend her vote, but neither will I lay the blame of all the ills in the world, or the prosecution of an illegal war at Clinton’s feet. That’s intellectually lazy.

Oh and…uhm, I suppose the question would be more meaningful if we could contrast Obama’s and Clinton’s voting record post-2003.

Slam talkleft if it makes you feel better. But the main posters there are very perceptive.

for reditters: The Waxman Cometh

Given the great job done by folks like Alito, Roberts, Scalia, and Thomas, that might not be such a bad thing.

There have been numerous situations oveer the years where folks without the ConLaw background were appointed to the court and made excellent justices due to having empathy in how their rulings might affect the real world.

Wasn’t Hillary for an amendment banning flag burning? Not sure that I would be quite comfortable with her on the Supreme Court.

Hmmmmm, if she helps the ticket.

Well, she doesn’t. So that solves that, right?

No she was not. My understanding was she supported a very narrowly drafted bill to ban burning in limited situation in order to forestall the push for an amendment.

Her proposed law banning flag burning was an attempt to derail the amendment.

Slam talkleft if it makes you feel better. But the main posters there are very perceptive.

Perceptive, but WRONG.

Frankly, they sound like crazy people these days.

I recommend this speech to everyone, in light of the depressing big picture exigencies:

I used to live in a country called America. It was not a perfect country, God knows, especially if you were African American or Native American or of Japanese descent in World War II, or poor or gay or a woman or an immigrant, but it was a country I loved and honored. This country gave me hope that it could be better. It paid its workers wages that were envied around the world. It made sure these workers, thanks to labor unions and champions of the working class in the Democratic Party and the press, had health benefits and pensions. It offered good public education. It honored basic democratic values and held in regard the rule of law, including international law and respect for human rights. It had social programs from Head Start to welfare to Social Security to take care of the weakest among us, the mentally ill, the elderly and the destitute. It had a system of government that, however flawed, was dedicated to protecting the interests of its citizens. It offered the possibility of democratic change. It had a media that was diverse and endowed with the integrity to give a voice to all segments of society, including those beyond our borders, to impart to us unpleasant truths, to challenge the powerful, to explain ourselves to ourselves.

I am not blind to the imperfections of this America, or the failures to always meet these ideals at home and abroad. I spent 20 years of my life in Latin America, Africa, the Middle East and the Balkans as a foreign correspondent reporting in countries where crimes and injustices were committed in our name, whether during the Contra war in Nicaragua or the brutalization of the Palestinians by Israeli occupation forces. But there was much that was good and decent and honorable in our country. And there was hope.

The country I live in today uses the same words to describe itself, the same patriotic symbols and iconography, the same national myths, but only the shell remains. America, the country of my birth, the country that formed and shaped me, the country of my father, my father’s father and his father’s father, stretching back to the generations of my family that were here for the country’s founding, is so diminished as to be nearly unrecognizable. I do not know if this America will return, even as I pray and work and strive for its return. The “consent of the governed” has become an empty phrase. Our textbooks on political science are obsolete. Our state, our nation, has been hijacked by oligarchs, corporations and a narrow, selfish political elite, a small and privileged group which governs on behalf of moneyed interests. We are undergoing, as John Ralston Saul wrote, “a coup d’etat in slow motion.” We are being impoverished — legally, economically, spiritually and politically. And unless we soon reverse this tide, unless we wrest the state away from corporate hands, we will be sucked into the dark and turbulent world of globalization where there are only masters and serfs, where the American dream will be no more than that — a dream, where those who work hard for a living can no longer earn a decent wage to sustain themselves or their families, whether in sweatshops in China or the decaying rust belt of Ohio, where democratic dissent is condemned as treason and ruthlessly silenced…

I don’t envy the stuff facing next President. One thing is certain — McBu’ush will not face up to anything rational and constructive. He will be an agent of irreversible ruination.

Via email:

Congresswoman Maxine Waters Endorses Barack Obama

Chicago, IL – Today, Congresswoman Maxine Waters (D-CA) endorsed Barack Obama for President. Waters switched her endorsement from Clinton to Obama citing his ability to unite the country and leadership on issues such as the housing crisis and war in Iraq.

“Throughout this primary election, I have witnessed two extraordinary candidates champion the concerns that matter most to the American people. As an outspoken advocate on issues critical to women and children, I have great admiration for Senator Clinton and know first-hand her commitment to our country.

Per CNN BO 12 delegates away from the magic number….

Right – Hillary AND Obama supported the narrowly drafted flag-burning bill, in order to head off the amendment. Bob Somerby (dailyhowler) has written several posts about this.

I just googled Hillary and flag burning, she wasn’t for an amendment, she introduced a bill banning flag burning.

Please, let’s not make FDL a place to debate the merits of other blogs, shall we?

Cheney only has power because Bush surrendered all of his to him. Neither Obama nor any competent CEO would tolerate such destructive insubordination. But Cheney’s example would fuel Hillary’s sense of entitlement, making Obama spend as much time reining her in as delegated to her essential projects.

Given the problems involved in recuperating from eight years of the stranglehold of CheneyBush, that’s not a healthy dynamic for the White House or the country.

Yes. She was openly against the ongoing raging epidemic of flag burning horrifically flooding our TeeVee screens nightly.

wooHOO
love Maxine!

Thanks, As you can see my comment, I decided to use google because my own memory was foggy..

on May 11 Carl Bernstein had this to say:

However, from the perspective of both campaign camps, there is serious concern about the kind of landing she’s aiming for and the precarious task of bringing her plane down, especially if she decides to seek the vice presidential nomination. There could be a number of different landings:

• Smooth and skillful, doing the Obama candidacy no further damage and perhaps restoring to relative health the legacy of and regard for Bill and Hillary Clinton in the Democratic Party.

• Explosive, setting down after the enemy has been carpet-bombed (an “October surprise in May”), something the Obama campaign believes may be less and less likely to come from his Democratic opponent because of the dangers to the party and the Clintons’ reputation…

• Missing the runway and destroying the Democratic village, as even her advocates outside her immediate campaign apparat fear could happen if the Clinton campaign continues to pursue a harshly negative course.

• Just bumpy and scary enough to shake the Obama campaign one last time and get her into the hangar as the vice presidential nominee on the Democratic ticket. Increasingly, this is what people in Obama’s corner and those who know her well are becoming convinced she will try to do. Part of this assumption is based on her determination to roll up the biggest numbers possible in West Virginia and Kentucky, and Bill Clinton’s argument that she may still win a majority of popular votes in non-caucus states.

(oomph added)

What about Bill? Isn’t that really the question that’s lurking behind all the Hillary scenarios?

Well, how about US rep to the UN? Keeps him out of the White House, draws on his foreign policy expertise, and face it, the rest of world adores him.

I’ve been experiencing the beginnings of something like pleasure in the last couple of weeks watching Obama obliterate McCain’s predictable Rethug talking points–especially on foreign policy. I more, lots more, of that.

Clinton on the ticket would only guarantee the pulling of punches.

Consider: Clinton’s been arguing that she’s the only Democrat capable of countering McCain’s supposedly vast foreign policy credibility.

Obama’s been gaining traction by persuasively deriding McCain’s UTTER LACK of foreign policy credibility.

We need someone who won’t have to flip-flop to join Barack in that stomp-fest. Hillary’s based her anti-Obama messaging on the presumption that McCain is substantive and formidable. Obama needs a message-multiplying running mate who’ll help continue to call McCain out as a joke.

“and face it, the rest of world adores him.”
_________

Hmmmmm….

;)

for some reason it makes me think of comb lickers.

We need progressive politics and political experience on the Court more than youth. We also need greater cultural diversity as well as the standard academic and professional brilliance.

Well, compared to Bolton…*g*

1,862 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Speculation about Mrs. M*Clinton’s future and the possibility of her in the VP slot is jest playin her game and keepin the attention away from the nominee. Let’s not play…let’s jest assume that Obama is far too smart and far too self conscious about his own safety and ability to govern to even consider her as VP.

Now, I’m gunna try and get thru to my daughter in the Civic Center and I’ll try and post an update from her in another comment.

KEEP THE FAITH THIS IS AN HISTORIC DAY FOR OUR COUNTRY MAY THERE BE MANY MORE FOR ALL OF US!!

If Hilary wants VP, what has she got left to bargain with?

And, the Billster certainly has a track record when it comes to reciprocating entreaties of adoration.

;)

kidding, right?

People WANT to be VP now? Maybe it is a Cheney effect (being Veep has the aura of being the real boss).

Maybe VP is the sacrifice she is willing to amke for the party.

I thought VP wasn’t worth a bucket or warm spit, or piss, or warm something…

Seems like HRC would make a good supreme court justice, and it would be a more stable gig. Of course, no more excuses for their team to campaign, which they seem to enjoy out of all proportion to common sense.

Oh, maybe all the people who voted for her.

Who would not abuse the new powers of the vp?

“Clinton Open to Being Obama’s Veep.”

that inspires me to check in with Scarlett Johannson, ‘cuz you never know…

well, so much for supper
:0===|

Majority Leader. If you’re after a good match of job requirements and skill sets.

:0===|

He should promise her the next open slot on the Supremes, which should be Stevens, who is sure to step down if Obama is elected. That’s the right place for her, giving a big tummyache to Thomas, Scalia, and Alito. She’s be great at the job, too.

Right. And, frankly, we need ‘mature’ justices who will die off timely. No more ‘youngsters’ who will be around forever (in relative terms.) That Alito and Roberts will influence our law for decades is just wrong. IMHO. IAMAL — oh, right, yes I am.

Over at the Big Orange, someone suggested Cleland for VP. Veteran, former senator, from GA.

Its nice to want things.

I want a raise – but I aint going to get it.

I would not vote against that ticket, but I would prefer someone else. I honestly don’t want such large power brokers wandering around the WH – especially after the debacle with Cheney VP.

The other thing is the change message is wasted if she is VP.

Another thing is that it looks like she is pushing for it, and that will make it hard for Obama to look presidential and like he is making up his own mind.

Lastly they keep pushing all these different story lines and are trampling on his day. They go into the winners locker room for champaign. The news tonight is HISTORIC.

IIRC, those “powers” arise from Executive Order, and are not binding on anyone, especially a new President.

sorry, I missed the supreme court discussion earlier in the thread.
So, no offense to constitutional lawyers, but why should that be a iron clad requirement for supreme court?

Earl Warren was a CA attorny general. What ConLaw cred did he have?

the path has been set. what is to keep someone from walking it.

For VP I would like to see Edwards or a host of other people.

From my point of view due to a very poor campaign from Clinton (who would not take Obama as her VP), and the dynasty anti-change factor. It also cuts the knees out (in part) of his being against the war before the start.

For Clinton any other power center of her own is fine:
- Senate majority leader (Sorry Harry but buzz off you suck)
- SCOTUS

I’ve always thought that would good or even as some mobile ambassador. We just need to keep an eyes on friends and Co (keep him on the straight and narrow so to speak).

So, to use a sports book analogy, seems like there’s a “line” here today and tomorrow, and Obama has got to win by more than “the line” (which is a good bit more than the 2,118 that is still not a hard number according the HRC operatives) in order to “get paid.”

Or, as in boxing, you gotta visibly whup the Defending Champ, you don’t get a close decision on points.

what is to keep someone from walking it.

Well, the President for one.

Right. Anyone who has been through law school and passed a difficult bar exam knows con law…..and any patriot follows the development (trashing?) of it by watching what is going on. What we need are more justices who believe in the people and not in their own goofy theories.

Seconded.

This is why I say no to HRC…
Republicans begin to highlight Clinton’s criticism of Obama

Hours before the polls closed Tuesday in the final two Democratic presidential primaries, the Republican National Committee began circulating a video of Hillary Clinton questioning Barack Obama’s qualifications to be commander-in-chief, and acknowledging John McCain has this important presidential credential.
[ ]
An RNC official tells CNN to expect to see more of Republicans highlighting Clinton’s critical comments of Obama as the campaign now turns to the general election phase.

“We will use it repeatedly,” the official said.

kind of leaves me speechless….

if a vp overreaches can the prez make the vp step down?

I go with the Hardball call – there is no need to pick a VP right away (of course the media will try and fire another bullet over this). I think July 4th weekend is a good time to make up your mind.

If there is any chance to do it after McCain then do it – but since the media will “demand” Obama do it ASAP he may have his “hand forced”.

Bill Richardson for VP!!!

Please?

The Repu’ublicists want justices who believe only in the inscrutable (but, of course, otherwise discernably uniform) views of long-dead people.

As to VP, my wildest dream is that Al Gore would accept to run again as second man. He’s got the stature to do it, and there’s nobody better. He’s improved with age.

Yeah, but we will keep repeating the video of McCain contradicting McCain.

Okay, put that way, I guess that was not one of my smarter questions.

She might make a decent Attorney General. But my preference would be to have her serve as Ambassador to Iraq, forcing her each day to face and address the mess she so gleefully — and still unrepentantly — helped create.

Completely Agree.

clinton as vp is far from my first choice. if that’s what we have to pay to win in Nov, ok, I’m fine w/ it. But, it certainly doesn’t seem like a good idea.

and clinton on SCOTUS? what exactly is her experience as a judge? what skill at constituional law has she shown?

clinton as a serious senator, buckling down to public service. that’s a good idea. And clinton in some cabinet position, also good.

my $/50 …

For what possible reason would Gore submit himself to the aggravations of Washington again just to hold a job he’s already outgrown?

I like the latter idea.

I doubt this would happen, but its the Lieberman model that was at the time supported by the Democratic establishment.

Looking at it she could potentially win if:
Barr – Ron Paul factor take 5 – 20% in key states
Independents tned to Clinton and not McCain
Republican brand keeps people at home
Somehow Obama is kept below a certain % and Clinton takes NY, CA, OH, Penn, MA, FLA

It seems a little far fetched, but it is called the triple-Lieberman.

Tactically astute, ‘eh? Stir that pot, throw sand in the speculative Veepstakes gears, roil up the waters, throw gas on the fire…

Sorry, outa further analogies.

Patriotism.

I like Al, but that would be pretty lame, a two time VP. Tipper would never go for that and neither should he. The MSM would portray him as an unserious person, awkward and clownish.

… tee hee hee …

And we’ve got more $$$ for ads …

Wasn’t I just reading about unity on this site?
“Before you speak, ask yourself, is it kind, is it necessary, is it true, does it improve on the silence?”
guru Sai Baba

Roberts and Alito had experience with that judging thing. Liking them much?

The Veep is in whatever box the President chooses, for as long as he chooses. Shooter is the exception, and unless we end up with a feckless nitwit in the BigChair again, I wouldn’t expect to see an unbridled Veep.

let’s not sugar-gloat it, but I don’t see HRC as veep.

Yep, bring ‘em on!

Hear, hear! Hillary on the Supreme Court would be a great coup for the party, and surely consign Bill to STFUville for a nice change.

Because judicial experience is a necessary but not sufficient qualification.

Why not Barbara Boxer? Or Russ Feingold? Or Patty Murray?

Or Brian Schweitzer? Or Kathleen Sibelius? Or Janet Napolitano?

IMHO, if it’s not Sen. Clinton, it has to be a woman, who is 100% European American.

Also imho, no one is in a better position than Hillary and Bill to undue the ethnic damage, they and other Dems started. Biden kicked it off when he called Obama “clean and articulate.” When JoLie saw how well that worked he pushed the envelope by asking “are you a Bill Clinton Democrat or an Al Sharpton Democrat? Hillary’s “hard working white voters,” just pushed the envelope a little further. I know of no better way to heal that rift than for Obama to accept her on the ticket.

Maybe it’s just me, but if Obama really wants to woo the Hispanic vote, Hillary Clinton may not be the best choice. I think he’d be better off with someone who spoke Spanish, for example. An actual Hispanic wouldn’t be a bad choice, either.

My dream candidate: Ricardo Sanchez (highest-ranking Hispanic in the military, was in charge of Iraq, just wrote a book about what a fiasco it was). Of course, I know absolutely nothing about his politics, so he might be a right-wing nutcase. But still, Hillary Clinton wouldn’t make my short list.

That is way too much to ask.

Freedom of speech is a messy thing. But out of argument, debate and discussion does come unity. If we Dems want it to happen, then it will.

Gewn Stephani get’s my vote, she ain’t no holla back girl!

i hope your right.

Bill Clinton: mayor of STFUville?

Obama is obviously going to have at least one Republican in his cabinet (freaking Bush does).

watertiger upstairs on Donna Edwards

Who says? Hillary was, as far as I hear, a competent lawyer. I’m not even sure (in fact I’m pretty sure it isn’t a prerequisite) that being a lawyer is required. I am willing to stand corrected. We need reasonable people as leaders on the court. Except for her corporatist leanings, I think she’d be great. And once seated, she wouldn’t owe the corporations anything.

I agree. Wow, we’ve come a long way.
Both a woman and a ‘black’ man were/are a real contender for President of the USA.
This is a FIRST.
This was a long, hard fought campaign. Everybody got to have a voice and ordinary people turned out in record numbers to have their voices heard.
Town halls in little towns ran out of room… WOW..very very cool.

STFUville — lol

That’s a burg I’d like to see grow rapidly — Matthews, Brooks, Broder, Hiatt, Coulter, Cokie.

Just the idea of all of them living in the same town and unable to talk makes me laugh….

So, you think the veep is a leap?
If I were an HRC fan, I would not weep, since veeps have been creeps.

I have drifted toward Obama lately in preference. But, dood, HRC as veep? That seems like flunkitude that she does not deserve.

Seriously, why would she want it, unless she an Obama were tight enough to hatch out a joint governance plan that gave her some interesting things to do. kinda like Bill and Al. But I just got this feeling that Obama and HRC are not very tight.

I sure it’d be great for womans’ rights. I just worry that it would also be good for corporate rights.

Schumer the USAG Mucky-casy lover. He can go to hell and the job can go to Hill.

Gwen Stefani’s “Hollaback girl”

So do I, but no bets please.

omg —

Shirley Golub, Nancy Pelosi’s primary opponent, is running ads on the MSNBC cable channel during Matthews/Olbermann breaks! Way to reach the engaged voters in SF on primary day, Shirley!

I agree, isn’t it the job of a lawyer to present the side of the case that represents their clients interest no matter what the lawyer really believes? She’d be killer at that.

Bush is not a feckless nitwit, he’s using Chin-ee and everyone else to protect himself from prosecution and walk off with a golden parachute … like the many CEOs in Corp. America …

Can you believe I spelled it wrong! No Doubt.

Isn’t Hillary the person who judged Obama not to have passed the commander-in-chief test that she and McCain had certainly passed? Why would anyone want a VP running mate who is on record as having judged the opponent to be more qualified? I’d say go for Lieberman instead.

I think we should use both Hillarys’ and Bills’ strengths for the good of the country and just think of all those ‘repubs’ who have been taking shots at them for years. Karma can be funny like that :)

nope — i’m not liking them much. that doesn’t mean that actual qualifications are a bad thing. can i suggest fitz as a supreme ;)

David Gregory says Jane’s post topic is the news of the day: Hillary for Veep?

Isn’t the news of the day that an historic candidate has won the Presidential nomination?

Fxckin sad. 5 months to get to this HISTORIC moment and its all bullshit about the VP.

The media freakin spent 5 months to get to this point and they got NOTHING. HELLO – reality is taking place. NOW is taking place. Freaking future-talk.

My dream candidate: Ricardo Sanchez (highest-ranking Hispanic in the military, was in charge of Iraq, just wrote a book about what a fiasco it was). Of course, I know absolutely nothing about his politics, so he might be a right-wing nutcase.

Um, yup. According to Human Rights Watch, Sanchez personally authorized the use of dogs to terrorize detainees at Abu Ghraib.

Seriously, why would she want it, unless she an Obama were tight enough to hatch out a joint governance plan that gave her some interesting things to do. kinda like Bill and Al. But I just got this feeling that Obama and HRC are not very tight.

It’s a leak to the AP from someone very high in her campaign. If she does not want it, a lot of people close to her want her to accept it.

1) Does anyone ever remember another candidate that came in second trying to strongarm their way into a VP nomination (not to mention the timing of it!)? I know there was no particular love lost between Kennedy and Johnson, but I thought it was Kennedy’s idea to ask Johnson and Johnson accepted reluctantly. I don’t remember any other who used a force type of play to get asked.

2) What would Bill have done if someone tried to coerce him into a nomination for VP? Would he have given that person the position or considered him/her a bigger threat to keep around?

These are not rhetorical questions; I really would like to know? Is Hillary saying that she will take her claims to the convention if he doesn’t let her he VP? If she will threaten in this way now, will she continue to try to undermine and hijack his administration all the way thru? To be honest, I think this is pretty untoward! I don’t think I like it much; I think it’s too threatening and coercive.

SCOTUS shouldn’t be a consolation prize. What in her law background would qualify her over any other lawyer? And do you really want a lawyer-turned-politician for the supreme court? We can at least pretend to not further politicize the court!

Pat Pukeanan making the case for Hillary as Veep … did someone say that Pat is America’s Concern Troll ?

Bill won’t release his donor list for his library contributions. Geraldine was criticized because of her husbands business dealings.

She was prolly answering a question and now her answer is being taken waaay out of context … what’s been happening most of the time …

lol, ok :)

I’m old but I’m still naive enough to believe that the lawyer should seek truth and justice… while also providing the most honest presentation of the evidence to support the client’s claim. And, heck, I’d feel real good about someone supporting ‘the people’. And how come no one squawks about 5 (count ‘em) Catholics on the Court — (disclaimer: I’m in the cult — fallen away, but if you’ve been there, you know you are forever theirs.)

it is a tough one. lotta people sincerly supported clinton in her bid. and it would be a strong message of party unity. at the same time, you can see the thugs just salivating at the chance to run against obama and clinton at the same time …

I don’t think anybody has any idea what Hillary Clinton is actually doing; I think the cable gasbags are trying to get us to watch their stupid shows (it’s working, at least at my house!). But I doubt she or her team are pressuring the Obama team to do anything, despite the characterization of David Gregory’s panel.

I think she and her family must be spending some quiet time trying to accept this new, and unwelcome reality: she is not going to be President.

Yeah, that’s his rep!

If it was up to me, I’d offer Hillary the first Supreme Court Justice position that comes open! She gets to be one of only nine justices for the rest of her natural life!

I bet McCain picks that Carly Fiorla or whateverhernameis…that would catch HRC’s supporters or at least a bunch of them. Just sayin’.

The goal is to get Bushco gone forever…I think it might have to be HRC as VP to get it done.

Yeah, Earl Warren and Thurgood Marshall and William O Douglas and all those other politicians turned SCOTUS members turned out real bad didn’t they?

You got that right. Plausible deniability.

That’s a burg I’d like to see grow rapidly — Matthews, Brooks, Broder, Hiatt, Coulter, Cokie.

The devil made me do it.

Water Tiger is upstairs! Go Donna!

The response to “I’m a democrat against Obama” is very simple.

Don’t tell me what you’re against. Tell me what you’re for. Do you see any chance that a panderer like McCainBushSame will deliver what you’re for? I thought not.

I don’t think Sen. Clinton has a lot of trust. If she doesn’t accept the VP now (provided Obama offers it), she’s giving Obama a chance to evaluate the enthusiasm of her support and her help with fund raising. Once he’s President, he doesn’t have to give her squat, if he doesn’t want to.

I was being a smart-ass. Surprise!

The first tie=me, second time I did it on my own.

After the campaign Clinton, with her unbounded ambition, now wants to be the VP? One heart beat away from the Presidency? Double the Secret Service detail.

Hey, maybe it is a consolation prize!

It’s not like I have any idea what I’m talkin about!

no veep…..NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

She has all the trust she has earned.

Breaking News: The Botox swelling in Harold Ford’s upper lip is gone !

The way she has gone public with this is just par for the course in her long, reprehensible campaign. Now, if he doesn’t want her he’ll be forced to publicly reject her.

I dislike Harold Ford Jr. God. They just plater these people up there like they are the kings of the world. Like Turdblossom on FOX.

Huh?

Live Obama Update *g* I don’t want to interrupt upstairs so i’m OT here instead, apologies for OT

Teh Pop Princess (my 21-yr-old daughter) just called me at 5:30 PM CDT from the St. Paul Civic Center where she and my sister just got into line to hear Obama speak tonight. They arrived at the end of the 5-block-long line five minutes ago, and during the five minutes they were in line, a full block’s worth of people arrived behind them. She will keep me posted and send pics if possible. She’s hoping they can actually get in the door as the line is moving.

Settle down, it’s just the MSM pretending they still have a voice in important stuff … *g*

Yep. Right. We desperately need to win this election……if BHO and HRC and their many votes makes a sensible resolution, well, I can live with that. A few months back many of us were just thrilled to have two such worthy candidates. How did that go so off track?

NOHILLVEEP!

((((( NDFG )))))

I hope they get in … people have been in line for hours …

ok ,she is not the voice of change pheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeew!”g”

You are kind. We could all use some kindness…..and a deep breath. Let’s all get back together to rout the roaches out of our White House.

I’ve always made this point re “hil” on the ticket: Who’s going to straighten out the damage to the VPresidency BEFORE she steps in there and relishes and uses and increases all that illegally gained power???
hmmmmm?
Who?
Exactly?

cause her and her husband tore him a new asswhole…nohillveep

That’s the reality now, but the “feckless nitwit” I speak of was the one who turned the entire policy apparatus over to Karl Rove to run as a political enterprise, and left Shooter at the top of every significant decision-making tree.

Woo Hoo – and good for your Pop Princess. Hope you keep us posted and share her reports & pics!

hi siri…i dont trust Billary as far as i can throw my lawn mower

Obama won… I don’t get it. The people that created the rift should be picked?

You could argue the gender rift – but I don’t get your logic.

Jeebus, Tweety: “Can Hillary obey Obama” … for $12 Million, MSNBC ought to get more from Tweety, don’t ya think ?

and made him leave his church

Concession and endorsement of Obama comes long before consideration for VP. Then a 4 to 6 week wait before the VP is selected, no matter who it is. Period.

i thought he gets 5,000,000.00 mebbe they give him Euros????

That has been the way he’s run every business he’s had … keep people close enough to deflect the blame.

This is by design and is used by Executives across America …

Yeah, well I sort of gave up on that (I guess that makes me a lame citizen). You will notice that even the “liberal” SCOTUS judeges are up the ass of big biz (maybe 10% better than R’s which is not enough). Its the emotional issues D’s and R’s “fight about”.

nohillveep…he will never have another good nights sleep with that Shnauzer yapping at his heels

Agree.

I am concerned about how she would manage in the role of Vice President. I’m interested in others opinions about that. I don’t think she’s been a great Senator. I don’t think she’s qualified for a cabinet position or SC. Would love to be proven wrong.

As far as the election is concerned, as a VP, she’s become a symbol for millions of Democrats and I think her name recognition and money raising ability make her a huge plus.

What ? He makes half of Glenn Beck ?

Way down in Virginia
Amongst the tall grown sugar canes
Lived a simple man and a dominique hen
And a rose of a different name.

Well, the first time I fell lightly
I was standing in the drizzling rain
With a trembling hand and a bottle of gin
And a rose of a different name.

Well, the devil made me do it the first time
The second time I done it on my own
Lord, put a handle on a simple handed man
And help me leave that black rose alone.

he raises much more ,with a flick of the mouse…nohillveep

yea,Glenn makes 10..
BWAHAHAHAHAHahahahahahahhaaha

She is very busy destroying her own chances for it. I’m against it totally.

money raising ability? that game changed …

hi sadly yes. neither do i, but what a grrrrreat idea!

CHARLIE doofus Gibson $8,000,000.00 Somalies

Umm Tom Brokaw…your talking about 16 years from now.

My premiss is that of all the Democrats who have played the ethnic card, no one is in as good a position as she is to heal that ethnic rift. She’s the one who said “hard working white voters.” If she is the VP she’s telling that constituency to support and vote for Obama.

That’s where McSane will attack, Obama is an angry BLACK man… Did you know Obama was BLACK….

It’s with exactly those voters that Hillary can be some help. I’m not sure other Democratic women can be as much help, but it’s gotta be a woman on the ticket.

Where the hell did Glen Beck come from and did he graduate from high school? He makes 10 million a year????????????????????????????????????????? We live in World Stupid.

Who do you want?

Chris Dodd coming up with KO & Matthews live on MSNBC.

Yeah, but it seems Obama is recruiting Clinton’s top fund raisers. From the NY Times.

If she manages to elbow her way into a nomination for VP, between her and with Bill’s help, I seriously believe she would undermine Barack at every turn. She refuses to go quietly into that sweet night, so, no, I don’t trust her one bit! But I do, OTOH, believe she’s qualified for any cabinet post there is, and I really think she’s smart enough and capable of enough fairness to function well as a Justice, even without prior judicial experience. It’s not as if she’s not or never has been a lawyer. The fact that she’s out of our and Obama’s hair permanently is also an obvious plus! Really, I’d probably give her whatever else she may want: Sec’y of State, AG, Ambassador to Bora Bora, whatever!

LOL!
wow

artistic AND funny!

Ah, so.

No it hasn’t.

Lieberman is going to be camped in FL and the NE raising money with semitic voters for McSane. HRC and Bubba know all those people and they can blunt JoLie’s efforts.

My guess is that with her as Veep, it also neutralizes Bloomberg, but I’ll defer to others who know more.

I’d like to see John Edwards for VP. He’s strong on poverty, etc., plus his global warming position is very similar to Gore’s. The problem is that he didn’t do very well in his own race…I don’t know how that would factor in now.

No argument there.
But it doesn’t follow that since “a” Veep has limitless power, that the next one, or any one after will have that reach.

If Senator Obama is elected President, he will turn over to his Vice-President, whatever authority he deems appropriate, and there is nothing at all the VP can do to combat that, short of heading to the press room and doing combat with the President – suicide.

As much as I’d like to see a vibrant and gifted ticket, the Vice-President has only the authority which is granted by his/her boss, and if I had to choose between a Chimpy-Shooter deal and a “warm bucket of piss” arrangement, I choose the latter.

Given the powers that have been recently established by Cheney Vader I would worry greatly about Ms. Clinton being in that potential cat bird seat.

Oh Lawd … Tweety pretending to be “African American” … if he goes much lower, he will be in Beck’s territory …

I imagine they might want to get on board with the nominee. He would get them with or without her help. I seriously think this is just one more instance of Clinton not having the cards.

not sure,Richardson,Webb,Dodd,Edwards,Gore,Clark

I defer to your good judgement … having never spent much time in a bucket of piss myself … *g* … ((( newt )))

How do you pretend to be AA? Tweety is an idiot, by the way.

Or, they can sit on their hands if they dislike how HRC is treated.

IRON KNEE,no?

can i pour ya one, Petrocelli?
lol

My choice is Edwards … let them appear together in a couple of events and watch the crowds they pull in, esp. in the Rust Belt and South …

LOL !!!

i adore that man

… and whiter than chalk … *g*

nohillveep…she is a spoiler

When he speaks, he makes me forget that he is a politician …

Please… Hillary has too much baggage. Has anyone noticed that Bill is on the verge of yet another bimbo eruption? No, I have two words BILL BRADLEY. Talk amongst yourselves…

ok, gonna blogmadam for one of the Minnesota Firepups that i’m linked to on FaceBook, The UpTake is gonna liveblog Obama at the Convention Center tonight if all goes well.

yea,he has been through,triumph and tradgedy,very wise beyond his years

Sorry but she is not a trained lawyer

oh goody and i love your handle

Stop my pounding heart! Do you think Edwards may be on Obama’s shortlist.

yea NO DRAMA OBAMA must be the meme

i think he said ,no he didnt want it

If she manages to elbow her way into a nomination for VP, between her and with Bill’s help, I seriously believe she would undermine Barack at every turn. She refuses to go quietly into that sweet night, so, no, I don’t trust her one bit!

Completely agree and I did not factor that into my support for her as VP.

But I do, OTOH, believe she’s qualified for any cabinet post there is,

Yes, I was sloppy in my wording. She’s certainly no less qualified than most cabinet members. I was very disappointed in how she ran her campaign. She simply was not diligent in its management, specifically financial management. That’s all I have to go on. By no means does that disqualify her for cabinet positions. I just wish I saw more evidence that she was a policy wonk, but that’s my problem.

and I really think she’s smart enough and capable of enough fairness to function well as a Justice, even without prior judicial experience. It’s not as if she’s not or never has been a lawyer.

I agree. I was again careless in my wording. She’s far superior to Thomas, Scalia, Roberts, and Alito. I have no problem with her as an SC

My point would be that O’Connor’s seat should have gone to a woman, not Roberts. Once you open it up, I am confident that there are tons of women who have dedicated themselves to the law who would make far better justices. I am very influenced here by Jan Crawford Greenberg’s SUPREME CONFLICT. It was O’Connor’s court. She ran it, not Rehnquist. It’s no knock against HRC, but I just don’t see her having O’Connor’s skills.

The fact that she’s out of our and Obama’s hair permanently is also an obvious plus! Really, I’d probably give her whatever else she may want: Sec’y of State, AG, Ambassador to Bora Bora, whatever!

She’s got half the Democrats voting for her. She has enormous leverage. We as liberals have to deal with that.

The warm bucket kinda takes it into new territory, doesn’t it…
I’m betting and hoping against the Obama/Clinton ticket, but that’s all it is – a bet and a hope.

Senator Clinton is much more useful in a variety of ways. She’s no threat to him in the second chair I think, but imagine her as HHS Secretary, or as a fabulously effective (according to those who seem to know) Senator from New York, or the next Governor of New York… Like her or hate her, she is a gifted Lady.

Me, too!

Amen newt!

Edwards has said he doesn’t want it bu tno one refuses the job once asked.

My $0.02 is, Edwards can bring the Rust Belt and South into play for the Dems.

The Clintons have no cards to play. They are done. Now Obama needs to reach out to their supporters and the country needs to move on and away from the dysfunction of the Clintons. Think about it, 20 years from now, it will seem amazing that we had an ex-president who is a disbarred lawyer and who so disgraced himself in office, lost a Congress and wasted our time, all the while playing off the MSM

I have said several times today, that having her a Health Secretary to guide Universal Health Care through would be apt, given how much she’s fought for that …

Definitely.

Edwards doesn’t have the baggage HRC has…plus, he’s got a fabulously talented and smart wife.

And he hates the Neocons.

Again, I think McSane is going to emphasize that Obama is an ANGRY BLACK man.
The best way to balance that is by ethnicity and gender.

I also think if Obama picks a male running mate, it will deflate a lot of women. I’m not saying that’s right or wrong, but I think liberals have to respect that the race took on a reality of its won. I just think in 2008, picking a male running mate sends the wrong message to Democrats.

She has to make up for a ton of rhetoric first before she’s truly even on the short list. Obama cannot be seen to being pushed around by the Clinton’s or anyone else.

. Sure, I love Edwards too. He was my first choice and I came late to the Obama camp, but right now, I think Edwards’ young children need him. Bill Bradley was one of the very first Democratic elders to come out for Obama. He is an economy wonk. He is full vetted, a Rhodes Scholar, and has no pre-existing campaign debt.
Plus he can play HOOPS! LOL! Slam dunk!

bom dia pups

back from the food bank. donations are the same as last year but we have more folks needing assistance. Hope people keep that in mind when casting their vote in November. It’s ultimately not about your hurt feelings and deep disappointment (i know I would feel hurt and disappointed if the situation were reversed) but rather all the people who desperately need help.

Barack, John, Michelle & Elizabeth representing America … what an image …

Billy Joe Shaver

At the end should have been:

I agree.

She’s got half the Democrats voting for her. She has enormous leverage. We as liberals have to deal with that.

Eli a couple of flights up on the latest last Primary Evah!

I agree, but I think Edwards is going to be helluva campaigner whether he’s on the ticket or not.

Angry black man? Based on what? The man is as cool as a cucumber. he is very measured and even tempered. They will try to paint Michelle as the angry black woman because she is outspoken but there is no basis for the angry black man label.

I think that of them all … Richardson, Dodd, Biden, Hillary, Bill … they all have to unite and fight as one …

i heart you,your the best…just donated a 144 ct noodle soup to ours

Good Luck to McCain … he’s gonna need it …

Coming Up … Obama V McCain Ali V Pee Wee Herman

Oh, thank you. I’m sure your food bank appreciates it. (((sadly))) you deserve some pancakes. banana-pecan or blueberry lemon?

just call him sybil. never know which Mccain is going to show up. the maverick? the true conservative?

But still Black. That is all they have to say. Angry will be stuck right on the front of the description for added charm. Every time republicans mention Obama the word black will come out of their mouths.

Racist secret code fuckery.

Women’s shelters will also be needing lots of help … we give a lot every year to the one nearby but it never seems to be enough …

Based on nothing. You’re right Obama is as cool as a customer.

But McSane’s campaign will paint Obama with Jeremiah Wright, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, OJ Simpson, Pacman Jones, Latrell Sprewell, WEB Dubois, Jack Johnson, the Black Panthers, the Honorable Elijah Muhammed, Idi Amin, Osama bin Laden…

It’s the only card they have and as Hillary has already shown, it works.

yeah but it won’t stick. they would need a sound bite or clip of him going medieval on someone.

It is never enough but every little bit helps *g*

They will have it soon. The debates.

Agree.

Can’t see him making it through the “vetting”, i.e. who donated money to your library and what about some of your business deals the last four or so years.

Also agree with the idea of some VERY Serious very private polling, to find out if she helps more than she hurts. I’m not so sure that she will really help that much, considering that she will bring the Republican anti Clinton vote out of the wordwork.

yup — he did say he’d already run for vp and didn’t want to do it again. cabinet position of real interest to him. if he’s positionikng for vp, that’s a much nicer way to do it …

It obviously didn’t work. he is the nominee, not her. that whole connecting him to so called controversial figures in the black race is the same as linking mccain to Hitler (they are/were both old and white), Lenin, etc. Does that mean Billl Richardson would be linked to Che or Castro?

that is the type of bullshit that isn’t going to work this time.

snark right? they’ll have video of McCain going ape shit but not Obama. how is Mccain going to rile him any more than Hillary tried?

I’m lagging behind doing 19 bazillion things and 9 things more, but
i want to say:

Did you seeeeee the energy that Obi and Edwards exuded when they were together on stage/??????

That was nothing short of amazing, and would just make one awesome ticket!

He would be crazy to put her on the ticket. I know it is considered anti-feminist to criticize Hillary, but I wouldn’t put it past her to sabotage the campaign to improve her chances in 2012. The lady has nothing to commend her.

The Obama campaign should take a lot longer than a couple of days to test the waters, through polling or otherwise.

The personal dynamics of Hil/Bill breathing down Obama’s neck from the VP post simply do not look promising to me; the dynamics don’t even look workable. But it may be prudent to test poll the possible match-ups, including Obama-Clinton. Simple head-to-head preferences are not going to be enough to inform a VP choice – potential changes in the electoral environment need to be probed at length.

Testing themes, testing favorable/unfavorable views of all candidates in each match-up, testing whether the respondents would assess the match-ups differently if certain contingencies occurred (e.g., if Bush bombed the QUDS force strongholds in Iran in October, or if the Israelis bombed targets in Iran before the election), asking some or all respondents what factors they are thinking of when they switch ticket-preference when the VP candidates change, asking whether a particular VP candidate calms specific anxieties they have about a presidential candidate, etc.

Just designing and pre-testing a survey instrument like that would take many days.

SurveyUSA has polled registered voters in a good many states already, testing preferences expressed between four Obama-VP pairs and four McCain-VP pairs. The test pairs were as follows:

Obama & John Edwards, Chuck Hagel, Ed Rendell, and Gov K Sibelius (D-KS);
McCain & Romney, Huckabee, Lie-berman and Gov. T. Pawlenty (R-MN).

As Paul Rosenberg @ OpenLeft has demonstrated, at this point in the election cycle Edwards is the only VP candidate who consistently either improves Obama’s margin or at least keeps the McCain ticket from making large inroads into Obama’s margin. Edwards out-performs Rendell in both PA and OH, so further polling with Rendell seems a waste of resources. Hagel also adds nothing to Obama’s margins in any of the states polled. In most of the states polled, Pawlenty does not help McCain against any of the Obama ticket match-ups.

It would be fascinating and instructive to see the results of an in-depth survey that tested Obama paired with Clinton, with Edwards, with Sibelius, with Jim Webb, and with Mark Warner against McCain paired with Huckabee, with Romney, and perhaps with Lie-berman. A test of an Obama-Wesley Clark ticket might also be of interest, but I personally think that Clark demonstrated in 2004 that he is such a tenderfoot at campaigning that he is not a viable option for VP.

On such a comparative poll, I would predict Edwards would continue his record in the SurveyUSA polls by out-performing all other potential VP candidates (including Clinton). The only situation where I would expect any other candidate to compare favorably to or to out-perform Edwards would be in the hypothetical situation where Bush (or the Israelis) had initiated military action against Iran. It would be interesting to see, in that contingency situation, how the Obama-Edwards ticket would fare, compared to either an Obama-Clinton, Obama-Webb, or Obama-Clark ticket.

snark yes. :)

whew! i was about to run for the smelling salts *g*

on diet can ony eat BUCKWHEAT…”g”

even cyber pancakes? *g* I would not dream of messing up your eating plan.

“G”

buckwheat pancakes are good. Ron makes them.

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There is nothing wrong with Hillary and her supporters trying to get her on the ticket. However, if they overplay their hand and it begins to look like they are attempting to force her onto the ticket then she will lose far more than the VP slot. Watching the Clinton campaign tonight trying to elbow their way into the headlines for tomorrow does not give me much confidence that they know the value of having a light touch. I also saw Stephanie Tubb Jones on TV talking about how Bush has messed the country up so much that there is enough work for two people (referring to Clinton and Obama). Maybe I’m just overly sensitive but her words came across to me as a description of a co-presidency. And we certainly don’t need another VP who grabs presidential power.

Hopefully Clinton will give a gracious speech tonight and will back off of the VP talk because I sure don’t want to see a VP campaign talked about in the media until the Convention.

Senator Obama is probably feeling pretty good tonight.

He’s persisted and persisted and held out and finally the opposition has dissipated to nothingness.

Yep, he’s probably feeling pretty good, even generous.

When you’ve won and you’ve got the world in your hands you tend to feel generous.

To whom would he feel like giving something, tossing out a bone?

Usually you toss a bone to the person you’ve beaten, so they won’t feel too bad. At least passive-aggressives like him tend to do that.

So, if he hurries to name a veep, and there’s no real reason for that, then he’s likely to toss the bone to Hillary and then regret it for 4 or even 8 more years.

Has a veep ever been named before the convention?

Actually, we’re not stupid and neither is the Clinton team. We’ve all seen Obama’s victory coming from about 100 miles away. So, why have the Clinton team continued to press and press and press up to the end? Could it be they want to ensure that Obama sees Clinton as the biggest baddest opponent he had to defeat?

Actually, Edwards took Clinton down in Iowa and had her on the ropes before New Hampshire. If she hadn’t had help or tons of money she would’ve been out then.

Nope. The real dope is that Obama got Iowa somehow and had the nomination in his hand all the way after that. The mere fact that Clinton had the money to continue doesn’t mean much. He won Iowa and that, as it was for Kerry before, means everything.

Hey, Obama owes a lot to Kerry. Kerry gave him the convention speech slot. Maybe he should name Kerry as veep to reward him.

That’s fine if you’re just a party hack, isn’t it? But, if you really want to govern, then you want someone who will be a good partner and who would be a great president if you have to step down.

Who would be a great partner for Obama or a great president?

I can say Edwards since I’m a supporter, but the real answer is that only Barack Obama knows who would govern as he plans to do and only Barack Obama knows who he thinks would be a great president in his stead.

I hope he sleeps on it for at least a month.

I’d love to see Edwards on the ticket!

As you know, most voters don’t hang out at FDL and other liberal blogs. I completely agree with you that identity politics is wrong and divisive, but she got almost half the votes cast in Democratic primaries. That gives her enormous leverage.

She’s as qualified as Clarence Thomas was. Women tend to live longer than men. She’s not the best choice, but she’s not an impossible choice for the Supreme Court. I personally think she’s best suited to the Senate, unless she accepts a cabinet post from Obama.

They’ll use that regardless of whether HRC is on the ticket. Agreed, it will be more devastating if she is on the ticket.

I’d suggest that Obama ask HRC who she recommends as his running mate, and why.

I agree. McCain has had how long to make his decision? Obama should have at least a month to make his choice.

Carly Fiorina