From ABC News on Saturday:
Sen. Barack Obama called Sen. John McCain’s refusal to admit he misspoke about troop levels in Iraq "disturbing" and cast his actions as the sequel to the Bush administration’s refusal to admit their own mistakes.
"We’ve seen this movie before," Obama said at a town hall in Rapid City, S.D. "A leader who pursues the wrong course, who is unwilling to change course, who ignores the evidence. Now, just like George Bush, John McCain is refusing to admit that he’s made a mistake."
Obama explained to the crowd of 2,700 that McCain had said on Friday that the United States had drawn down to pre-surge troop levels in Iraq.
. . . "Now we all misspeak sometimes. I’ve done it myself. So on such a basic, factual error, you’d think that John McCain would just say, ‘Oh, I misspoke, I made a mistake’ — and then move on. But he couldn’t do that. Instead, he dug in," Obama said and connected it to Bush’s handling of the Iraq war: "We all know this president refused to admit that he made a mistake. That’s the leadership that we’ve had enough of over the last eight years."
Obama’s campaign thought this speech was important enough to send the text around to the media in advance. Greg Sargent (at TPM Election Central) and Steve Benen were pleased that it showed Barack as willing to go on the offensive, while D-Day praised him for his ability to "weave new information into his overall narrative" — but the important thing is how he’s going on the offensive, and what that narrative is.
As I’ve blathered about repeatedly in the past, the standard GOP framing of presidential elections hasn’t developed by accident. Republican strategists know that if a contest is determined by who can best solve the problems of the moment, they lose — because their side only believes in using those problems to further their permanent agenda of funneling money to the wealthy (through tax cuts, military spending and other corporate welfare, etc.). So they’ve sought to make a virtue out of the fact that they always support the same policies, and a vice out of caring about the effects of those policies. A year and a half ago, I wrote:
The Republicans certainly know where the strength of their brand is, which is why they try to denigrate the very concepts of reality and pragmatism at every turn. . . . ridiculing intelligent and articulate Democratic politicians as morally dubious girlie-men, and ignoring the foreign-policy arts of intelligence and diplomacy in favor of blustering threats and military force. In each case, moral and ideological certainty is portrayed as the highest ideal, and the willingness (or — gasp! — desire) to adapt to a changing reality is depicted as a sinful, deadly weakness.
Obama, though, is turning that narrative on its head. Certainty in the face of contrary facts isn’t an ideal at all; it’s a flaw that leads to disasters like the one we can all see in Iraq. Instead of a choice between "strength" (ideological certainty) versus "weakness," what Americans really face this November is one between common-sense responsibility and phony bluster.
The power of this attack is that it turns McCain’s fundamental strategy into an ally for Obama. The "flip-flopper" meme has been effective in the past against Democrats in part because the GOP could always count on them to say something nuanced ("I voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it") that could be pounced upon as proof to further it along. Since McCain’s would-be daddy frame (like Dubya’s) depends on him pretending to be infallible — which is why he couldn’t admit the error on how many troops we have in Iraq to begin with — he almost doesn’t have a choice but to keep proving Obama right by generating more phony bluster, and then being unable to back down.
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McBush!
The General Election is about to begin and McBush keeps handing Obama golden opportunities- hope Obama can hit em out of the park.
Someone needs to dust off that commercial from the 06 Lamont-Lieberman campaign – the one with the grey-haired Joe lookalike running his blue gov’t sedan into a brick wall, again and again, and every time getting out and scratching his head over “how did that happen”?
Doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting a different result, is the definition of insanity.
It’s difficult to deal with people who refuse to be wrong on a personal level but that trait in a prez is very dangerous. McC must not be elected and should retire from the Senate.
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Scribe
Well yeah- but Joe WON in the end as I recall- so maybe it’s not the best example.
McCain is a one-trick pony. War.
Clusterfuck keeps movin toward the history books. Newest Gallup/USA Today shows him with another 28% JAR..
Nice goin Clusterfuck–
Howdy y’all! I am back out from behind the camo curtain! Grandma and Betsy are both napping and I am not allowed to go see my friends until tomorrow. So here I am!
And Obama is right. We need a president who can admit if he is wrong.
thanks neuro!
And thanks Swopa, I’m glad to hear Obama’s response.
Saw a little bit of Bill Kristol toady at AIPAC, he was on a mini panel with Marc Ginsberg and the host was Dan Senor. Can you believe Kristol and Senor made fun of Obama?! Imagine that!
Kristol was full of it, the audience thought; and he admitted today he was; but once Obama gets the nomination tomorrow and Obama pulls way out in front of McCain, he’s going to retreat in depression. I kinda think he actually meant it.
No one has flip flopped more than Obama on the Iraq War, Iran, Cuba…
On the campaign trail in 2004, Obama railed against war funding.
But a few months later he was on the Senate floor – voting to fund the war.
Then he based his presidential campaign on his “opposition” to the war when he COULDN’T vote! and now tells crowds he was “always against the war.”
Always?!?
Only until he was in a position to support funding the war using Republican lingo of “supporting the troops.”
Obama wins the flip flopping trophy.
Indeed. Like all bullies, the rethugs have no backup plan when the victim fights back, and Barack has shown both a willingness and skill in taking the battle straight to McCain that is a refreshing change from politics-as-usual.
This leaves the McCain campaign in the unenviable position of defending their inherently indefensible positions, over and over.
Do not feed.
Hi Cassie!
School’s out?
He certainly could care less of about economics. He focuses on foreign policy (Iraq/Iran, etc. which he considers his strongest area.
I would add that this resistance to admitting he is wrong could be also based on the fact that he is military and that should be HIS topic so for Obama (who is not military) to call him on the carpet for anything military related (as it relates or not to foreign relations) is going to get his ire. It’s the whole how-dare-you-challenge-me-military-war-hero thing.
Yes maam! I am now a Junior. Don’t have my report card yet though.
Happy Summer Snarky!!!
American Research Group
Montana
Obama 48, Clinton 44
South Dakota
Clinton 60, Obama 34
Cassie!
OK. Let’s say ALL the candidates suck. Clinton, Obama, Nader, Barr, and MCCAIN. I say MCCAIN sucks the absolute most. He should retire. Even if he was good for being republican it’s well past time to hang it up. Let the kids mess it up in their own special way. Why not? Staying the course has sucked long enough.
IOW I don’t care how many show up to tell me how Obama is such a crappy candidate. That’s great. But he’s the least crappy one out there.
1,861 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen LS and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
“McCain is a one trick pony. War.”
Yes and that’s the reason that in the end, this election is not gunna be close. The entire nation is sick tired and angry as hell about this war and all the things that gemstone out of it: the broken economy, the criminal war profiteeering, the broken military, the collapse of the middle class, the corrupt elected political establishmnet in BOTH parties.
Jest think about what woulda happened if Democrats had followed Rahm’s advice and hid from the war and immigration…it ain’t a good thing ta think about is it?! Unless Obama makes the kind of strategic mistakes and self-distructive mistakes of character that brought down his opponent for the Democratic nomination, this election is his to lose. And the bigger the margin, the more progressive and aggressive he will be in the first 100 days.
We are approaching a political watershed very much like that of 1932. This is a people powered movement that will go as far as the constituents that vote for ‘im will let Obama take them. The bigger the margin the bigger the change in the first 100 days.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF WORK FOR ALL OF US TO DO!!!
Glad the McCain camp has a chance to weigh in.
Oh don’t let me let this opportunity to call out his top adviser Lindsey Active Duty Stateside Graham who happily “prepares” troops for deployment to the combat zone he never saw without a suit and tie and better body armor.
Just took a peek at your report card it was all “A”s
IOKIYR
And Hi Swopa!!!
Richard Clarke was rockin’ on Thom Hartmann this a.m. about this admin forsaking military families in a big way.
Prolonging the war
stop loss/back door draft
inadequate equipment
inadequate body armor
inadequate care
voting NO on GI Bill
artful dodger…
I love your logic! Yes, McCain does suck the most. Then Nader (OK, that’ll start a war with some but I don’t care), then Barr, then the 2 Dem candidates. There will be 1 nominee, and that appears to be Mr. Obama. So, I’m going with this person. Heck, don’t we all usually for the the lesser of evils? ;)
There are lotsa strange crap comin’ from the fascist bunkers…be careful not ta fall in the bullshit, Firepups.
I’m really impressed with Obama’s facility at dealing with McCain.
Ssshhhhhhh
Congratulations to Scarecrow. Froomkin calls him out:
Now to read…
This one?
Should we start a “Bob Barr for Preznit” fund? Would be fun to tweak McSame with a nice online presence for Barr… LOL. After all, what are friends for?
Really? Do you work at my school? Do I know you?
aaaa-the good old days.
Ooohhh, you’re evil! That’s a GREAT idea.
I might be moving to Montana soon. Gonna raise me a crop of dental floss.
Jest think about what woulda happened if Democrats had followed Rahm’s advice and hid from the war and immigration…it ain’t a good thing ta think about is it?! Unless Obama makes the kind of strategic mistakes and self-distructive mistakes of character that brought down his opponent for the Democratic nomination, this election is his to lose.
Obama already called out Lou Dobbs and Rush Limbaugh’s comments for the increase in hate crimes against Hispanics so he is good on that issue:)
But is he still for leaving a residual force in Iraq? Or is he going to get all the troops out?
And don’t be so hard on Rahm he has a perfect record so far…for being wrong.
oooohhh…ahhhhh…fdl in msm!!! wtg Scarecrow!
No matter who the next president is, there will be residual troops and/or contractors in Iraq…at least for awhile. JMHO.
I think he’s in the residual camp. Its gonna take some work to turn him against Rockefeller and the status quo (war solely to benefit the connected billionaires).
Yeah do you have the Sight! Should I buy a lottery ticket?
Who is going to winby how much is Obama going to win this election?I thought Spiderpaws was the court astrologer at the Lake now we have a Seer too?
Just teasin.
I think the “mission” will change. It will be an “exit” mission. It will change to going after AQ in Pakistan with some stabilization crew left in Iraq. No more bombing Sadr City, etc., pull back to bases at first…see what happens, and then gradually pull out the troops with a policy of no permanent bases in Iraq. The mission will be to “end the occupation”.
This is an example of something I’ve been very pleased with about Obama. I was an Edwards guy until he dropped out, because I wanted someone who would bring the fight to the neocons. But Obama has displayed an impressive ability not just to fight back directly (which inevitably requires continuing the debate on their terms to some degree), but pivoting onto new terrain and leaving them trying to figure out how to follow him.
I’d much rather see us focusing on how our politics really our about what’s good for the country, and wingnut politics are about what’s good for them, but I wasn’t willing to believe we could avoid getting down into the mud without letting them off the hook. Now I do.
Was that out loud?
Ooops
Hackworth, LS we can’t afford to keep some troops or contractors in Iraq why because they hate us now for good reason. I am not saying that your wrong I’m saying I would hate to be a Blackwater employee the next time an Iraqi civilian is shot and the American army is not there for back up.
I can’t think of any engineers with career options who would go to Iraq except those looking to play missonary or those looking to escape alimony.
I agree with you, LS.
Oh, and hi, Cassie! Nice to have you back here!
I jest
Thanks Redshift! Fort Bliss has a ton of firewalls that block commenting on blogs. Fortunately they haven’t found MY blog yet.
Oh tee hee.
Thanks for terrific post, Swopa.
Music to my ears.
Obama’s no John Kerry, and I don’t mean I dislike Kerry. It’s just that the Obama campaign is sharper and quicker and savvy. They will not be trapped by clunky swift-boaters who, instead, are apt to find themselves marooned in shallow water for their nasty tricks.
Now, if we can get this party healed up and working together like the bunch of fine folks it’s supposed to be representing, we’ll be flying along to November. ;->
i think McCain is a one-trick OLD war-horse. Just saying *g*
hi cassie!
wtg scarecrow!
My youngest, Teh Pop Princess, is going to hear Obama speak tomorrow night in St. Paul Minnesota, site of the Rethug National Convention, heh! She’s been a big Obama supporter since the day he declared his candidacy. Glad she got a ticket to attend. When edwards dropped out, she eloquently persuaded me to move to supporting Obama. I am encouraged by Obama’s ability to inspire the Best and the Brightest … i hope i am right in sensing he may be the next FDR.
I hope Obama keeps up this line of attack because by pointing out that McCain like Bush will never admit a mistake Obama links McCain to the most unpopular President in history.
More crimes than Nixon Worse for the economy than Hoover, but McCain thinks Bush is right on Iraq, McCain thinks that He and Bush have never made a mistake.
Rather than paraphrase, I’ll point to Obama’s position on bringing the troops home.
I know what you are saying, but I think when the “character” of the mission changes, and the Iraqis see that we are going to leave and stop trying to dominate them and steal their natural resources, things will begin to change. The majority of the fighting is the US bombing occupation resisters. They hate Bushco, because Bushco has destroyed their country into submission and that is why they fight.
The occupation must end. When the occupation ends, the fighting will end…other than possible infighting for territory amongst the Iraqis themselves.
We need to leave.
We need to ban Blackwater too.
Why its not like you’re a spy are they really that afraid of classified leaks or the public finding out what the troops think and vice versa?
I’ve got to admit, though, that sticking by Bush and advocating for policies that 70-80% of the country is against is a real maverick thing to do! *g*
Hadn’t thought of it that way. It’s funny.
I think it will also help when we start taking care of the refugees and the Iraqis who had to flee because they worked for us, instead of letting them live in squalor because for the Bush Administration to admit that they exist would highlight how badly they’ve screwed things up.
Seems to me that we need to face the facts: Obama’s is simply not electable to the most powerful job in the world, simple because of his lack of experience. Really, think about it. What qualifies him to hold down that job? Add that important fact to the simple fact that the ‘bigot’ vote is to high for him to overcome. He’s a loser.
Call her up find out how big the lines are get some pictures I never saw a picture of THE WHOLE CROWD AT THE OREGON RALLY, I think they would have needed satellite photos for that.
Great point!!!
I just thought of it this morning. I think I’m going to be spreading that one around a lot.
Hi NDFG neighbor!
Wow – trolls coming out of the woodwork.
Obama’s gonna go raise his leg on the Puke’s Convention site. Heh, heh.
Sometimes you have to leave folks where they’re at (scroll past them)
Hi Cassie – welcome back!
old, per se, is o.k. i should know. i are one.
but methinks we need the young spirit and sharp wit, the endless energy. i’ll be happy to have my fellow folks-of-a-certain-age chosen to help where they can add their experience and viewpoint to the mix, but not be expected to deal with the perfect-storm of a g-awful mess junior/shooter Inc. has left in their wake. that job could tax the stamina of superman.
what we do NOT need is some cranky old fella who can’t seem to get his mind around even a quarter of the task he thinks should be his. Beggin’ yer pardon, sir mcsame, our country deserves better for this job at this particular time.
noting, of course, that age is relative. some mental miniatures may possess monstrous egos, but that is no reason they should get everything they demand, no matter what their age.
most of our citizens surely realize that by now, as we live through the bushco nightmare.
That’s what they said about his primary prospects a year ago.
Both Obama and Clinton now lead McBush in the electoral college match up according to Poblano….
Obama is up by 6 electoral votes and Hillary is up by 45.
This is based on all the most recent state polls.
It looks GOOD for dems- but it’s very early.
let it go. we’re moving on to Mccain now. *g*
Yeah next he’ll go Maverick and say gas prices are not that high!
Who is running his campaign Mark Penn and Rahm Emanuel? Hilary wouldn’t change her vote to go to war despite the lies Bush told because she didn’t want to appear weak and wanted the 30%er vote.
Hilary like McCain should know 1) the 30% hate both of them and were never going to vote for Hilary, they might vote for McCain but…there not happy
2) 30% is f’en less
3) with gas prices going up, the Dollar going down, home prices falling the stock market depending on the day sometimes less than the high it reached under Bill Clinton 7 years later despite the growth in population.
Well I think be November Bush might hit 80% Disapproval
Well they do get McVain Troll Pints (MTP’s) for coming here and posting their “thoughtful” astroturds. I understand this weeks prize is a case of Cheetos and Red Bull for a year for the most annoyingly prolific trollery. *g*
Where?
the talking head on Hardballs have decreed that the race will be over tomorrow, and that HRC, after some time off, will “graciously and enthusiastically” campaign for Obama.
I certainly hope that they’ve gotten this one right.
bwahahahaaa! love your take on it.
ThingsComeUndone, i will definitely request lots of photos from her of the lines at the Obama speech tomorrow night. She and my oldest daughter did a great job with photos of the lines snaking around blocks when Obama spoke in Minneapolis late Jan/early Feb (right before the Minnesota primaries and caucuses).
Hmm… (glances at recently emptied can of Red Bull) … where did you say I could sign up??
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JFK was a first term Senator and the antiCatholic vote was pretty strict at the time. Yet he still won the Primary and the Presidency. Plus McCain is making mistakes lots of them he seems to be as lost as second term Reagen was could the GOP find anyone less electable to run against Obama?
Well actually, helicopter video was just enough to capture it. *g*
They should cash their points in for a nifty beach towel that or a sporty sun visor
they call him Flipper…
Am I late to the party again? Have others seen the MoveOn.org video at http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.s…..4&hl=
TWO OF A KIND!
It is impossible to have a rational, reasonable discussion with an irrational, unreasonable person.
Just sayin,
Mr.Cbl
astro- cheato- red- bulls***-
so confused.
whut’s the diff. tw’ a post-turtle and a turdle-post?
Adie, i agree with you whole-heartedly. I think the amount of energy and stamina that it’s gonna take to overcome the massive cluster-fuck of the last eight years is best handled by someone with more energy, vision, and enthusiasm than McCain shows. Obama certainly seems to have the gift of inspiring people, and i think that’s what our nation needs most of all, someone who can inspire us to be and do our best rather than to loot, plunder and pillage to detriment of all.
All the trolls that have been occupied with trying to incite passionate Clinton supporters to declare they’ll vote for McCain out of spite or become Fox viewers are now transitioning into general election mode.
my bro in law used to say he refused to have a battle of wits with someone who came only half prepared.
I still can’t see the outside borders of the entire crowd in one shot.
Do you think they will really vote for McCain? Or stay home? Or switch to Obama before then?
They are now homeless.
Yeah — we don’t need to elect a hero so we can sit back and wait for him/her to fix it, we need to elect a leader who will get us all involved in fixing it.
ouch. that’s gotta hurt. try real soapy water, not too hot. i’ll bet that’ll slip right off easy.
No, but at least the panning across covers almost all of it.
I told you to stay away from the windowpane Adie. /snark off
In a battle of wits I’m afraid SDC1 would be bringing a knife to a gun fight.
Mr.Cbl
Hey. I wouldn’t turn ‘em away. But if they won’t come through an open door, that’s their problem.
ya know. you were right. anyone who really looks can see right through mcpane.
Why right here good sir… and don’t forget to choose the Great Orange Satan for maximum pointage. LOL!
prolly holding the blade, yelling “bring it on!”
like bush!
Yum. I can taste the Cheetos already!
The Lake rates for troll points Cool. But we can’t say anything pro Democrat at a righty blog or we get kicked out. Hmmm? so much for valuing freedom of speech.
However they can say all kinds of crazy, racist things in their comments and threaten violence but somehow we are a foulmouthed fem blog?
Maybe we should fight for the freedom to leave comments at righty blogs that are not racist or threaten violence but just disagree with them after all those are the only comments of theirs that we let on our blogs.
It’s gonna get worse, so keep yer eyes peeled and yer typin’ hands in yer lap.
McPane is double-glazed.
It’s so good to see you, Snarkie One.
You owe me a game (can’t remember if it’s Pathwords or Word Twist).;)
My daddy always told me not to argue with a fool.
You hit on the very thing I believe most important in this election. The ability to solve problems.
Most people have no idea how to go about it. The bigger the problem, the more complex the solution, the greater the need for involvement of, and input from many sources. A leader that is willing to sit down and at least engage in a dialog on pressing issue, in my book, seems to me to be one that understands how to begin to correct the global slow motion train wreck of the last 7 1/2 years.
Mr.Cbl
Hi Cassie!
Do you have any IDEA how exciting it is for us -um- more “seasoned” folks to see people like you coming into the room. Like a breath of fresh air.
Thank you for caring enough to become involved in giving this poor tired old world some TLC, and a boot to the rear when needed.
You go grrrl! ;->
OK! I will log on in a bit. I was studying for exams and packing my clothes and stuff. I am back at Aunt Betsy’s with Grandma.
“But we can’t say anything pro Democrat at a righty blog or we get kicked out.”
________
And Woe Be Unto Your Ass should you even utter any criticism of HRC on her supporters’ blogs.
I have better things to do than try and reason with Righttards.
I’d have more luck trying to get my cat to write a novel.
Hi.
Well, no one ever said they were rational, just that they are allowed to have opinions. Not my fault if they are the wrong opinions LOL.
Nice to know that McCain’s online outreach seems to be focusing on slamming blogs with trash. So republican n’cest pas?
There’s a cat IN novels who solves mysteries. See if your cat wants to try that.
Clarification please: brittle shot glass or over-cooked turkey?
Well, hell that makes said cat smarter than Beloved Glorious Maximum Leader, right? I mean cats choke on furballs, Dickweed choked on a pretzel for heavens sake.
Do you think they will really vote for McCain? Or stay home? Or switch to Obama before then?
No how many women voters do you know who will elect a President who will overturn abortion rights? Remember McCain will appoint judges like Scalia which is GOP code for no abortion also the Supreme court is only one judge away from changing that rule.
Hilary’s people have also been saying that Obama has a Hispanic Problem no Obama is just not as well liked as Hilary but with Bush doing immigration raids and Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs on CNN I don’t see Mexicans at least voting for McCain this election.
Jewish voters will not like Bush giving Saudia Arabia Nuclear Reactor tech and Uranium, since given Ossama’s close ties to Saudi Arabia they know thats the same as giving al Quieda Uranium.
Arab voters won’t like Hilary bloggers calling Obama the Sheik which is really racist after 9/11.
do I have to choose?
actually it was this leading to this.
Your cat can write?
oops! never mind. marinated grouse.
Well, Obama is making a lot of mistakes also, and he is accumulating a lot of baggage as we get to know he and his friends and associates better.
Also, in response to Bobby G, Primary’s are a whole lot different than General Elections.
Yeah you can’t play chess if you refuse to look at the other players pieces
Diplomacy and talking are both pieces on the chess board but Bush only sees and moves the war piece.
Your cat can write?
can really turn a phrase, with dependent claws.
Thanks swopa.
Clinton advance teams have been informed that they will not be needed after tomorrow night – David Gregory just now on MSNBC.
Yeah, like Talkleft? I mean I love Jeralyn to death but that place has become quite the hotbed of intolerance lately. I don’t mind the HRC supporters who come here… being an “Edwards” supporter until I wasn’t but go there and say “Obama” in a positive way and be sure to take your asbestos suit, Purple-K dispenser (USN fire fighting stuff, very heavy-duty) and cell phone to call 9-1-1 for additional fire-putting-out assistance.
What is up with that?
Teach him to blog!
So they are righty Democrat blogs then?
Very disappointing, I think we are far enough along to deserve a better class of winger trolls.
“Well,
ObamaMcCain is making a lot of mistakes, and he is accumulating a lot of baggage as we get to know he and his friends and associates better.”Sorry for the edit.
There’s a better class of wingnut trolls? The freshman class at Regent U?
sorry so hyper & hogging the cheer here.
my sweet honey just finished painting our kitchen ceiling and it’s beeeooooootiful! Neither of us thot we’d get thru the project without having to call a contractor. Hah!
Gotta leave y’all now and find the stove under all the plastic.
Stay safe all. I think we actually can come through this primary. I do. I do. *clicks heels*
I don’t know about pen and paper but I often here a lot of scratching sounds followed by starnge patterns in the cat box, maybe she is writing code for Turdblossom…..
Thanks.
(wiping bud light of monitor and keyboard)
Sounds like a mad man – imagine a prez talking like that. Makes me sick.
Hear, sheese.
Report to McCain’s site now for one bag of cheetos. Baked or fried?
If you know a perfect hoomin beein’, by all means trot the beast out here, or is it in that wax museum thingie. nebbermind.
Report to McCain’s site now for one bag of cheetos. Baked or fried?
the highest achievers qualify for pork rinds made from earmarks!
McCain has decided he want to be presidezent for more than one term…maybe 50…maybe 100 years…
Sounds like a mad man – imagine a prez talking like that. Makes me sick./i
Nah, he’s just channeling Arlo Guthrie:
I said, “Shrink, I want to kill. I mean, I wanna, I
wanna kill. Kill. I wanna, I wanna see, I wanna see blood and gore and
guts and veins in my teeth. Eat dead burnt bodies. I mean kill, Kill,
KILL, KILL.” And I started jumpin up and down yelling, “KILL, KILL,” and
he started jumpin up and down with me and we was both jumping up and down
yelling, “KILL, KILL.” And the sargent came over, pinned a medal on me,
sent me down the hall, said, “You’re our boy.”
McCain is not giving them any talking points. McCain has sent them on a mission with nothing to work with. Where have we seen that before?
Busted you are Sooo correct(I was going to use Right… but I thought better of it what with it means to all the Pups:>( ) you always have a way with your words… The Right side of the aisle could never be persuaded by logic and reason, it is just not visceral for their liking….. bunch of asswipes!
Was he on the “Group Dubya” bench? Had to get than in before Punaise…
I believe you are referring to Midnight Louis
‘If somebody tries to stop the march to democracy, we will seek them out and kill them! We must be tougher than hell! This Vietnam stuff, this is not even close. It is a mind-set. We can’t send that message. It’s an excuse to prepare us for withdrawal.
Speed to much caffeine? Democracy would be to let al Sader get the vote he wants in Iraq as to whether America should stay or go, Prime Minister Maliki however wants to take away Sader’s groups right to vote in the IraqNovember election.
” Seek them out and kill them” Someone has watched Rambo to much to bad he didn’t feel that way during Viet Nam with Bush and Darth there I’m sure we would have won. Its always easier to say we won’t give up when we are not fighting the war. When we think tax breaks for the rich are more important than getting all the troops in Iraq bullet proof vests, armored Humvees, showers that don’t electrocute them and water that does not make them sick.
That there is crazy talk…
You keep talking like that, and you are gonna be accused of being a DFH for sure.
Bush sounds like Saddam.
-G
Jane’s upstairs…
Was he on the “Group Dubya” bench?
lol.
And they all moved away from me on the bench
there, and the hairy eyeball and all kinds of mean nasty things,… – George W. Bush
Best one sentence summary of McCain’s foreign and tax policies I’ve seen for a long time. Bravo Things.
So Bush if he had gone to Viet Nam would have been great to bad its sooo easy to look tough when its not your but on the line.
Democrats, by and large, want the government to work to make life better for everyone. That demands they pay attention to reality and use intelligence to find real solutions.
Republicans have another agenda which they don’t really want the public to notice. So, they don’t worry about the Truth or Reality or Intelligence. They only think of ways to manipulate the decision-making of the electorate. They want to get elected and their campaigns reflect only that reality.
What is their agenda? It varies a bit from year to year, but the basis is to use government for the purposes of a very very very small base of special interests. Bush said his base was the ‘haves and the have-mores’ and you can be sure they are catered to by the Republican policies. Naturally the general public isn’t served by them.
Why does any of the general public buy into the Republican tricks? Beats me.
Thanks Egregious!
Dope’s who alway’s misuse apostrophe’s make it difficult for other’s to take them seriously.
Hey, Cassie! If you’re still here, welcome back! I was busy over at EW’s place, so I’m late for the train.
Bob in HI
Yeah. Must.Not.Feed.The.Trolls!
Geez, restraint is hard work!
Bob in HI
I couldn’t get on yesterday, had someone elses computer and I REALLY wanted to comment on this excellant piece from swopa
it is VERY important for progressives to stop using the term “tax cuts”
these were NOT “tax cuts” they were “re allocating infrastructure assets and given to the wealthy”
we are using the republican dialogue when we allow them that these were “tax cuts”
they are only “tax cuts” when EVFERYONE enjoys the cut and there nothing of importance that goes underfunded because of them
a “tax cut” never happens in a responsible policy, they are tax INCENTIVES and the investment must be returned with dividends for it to be considered a success
so we need to stop calling any of these gifts to the wealthy, “tax cuts”, they are not