Last week, John McCain made yet more misstatements about Iraq, this time falsely asserting US troop levels in Iraq were back to "pre-surge" levels, then denied he’d said what he said, leaving his advisers (and David Brooks) to clean up the mess by criticizing the media for nitpicking a minor gaffe about "verb tenses."
After all, "to be or not yet to be" are really the same thing, right? But there’s more to this.
The problem is not simply that McCain misspoke about the number or troops still in Iraq, or failed to mention that even after the surge’s extra combat brigades are removed, an additional 8,000 to 10,000 "support troops" would remain, leaving the total troop level in Iraq higher than when the surge began. These "facts" are not really in dispute, even though McCain muffed them all.
The more important point is that McCain made the same dishonest argument that George Bush has repeatedly made about the schedule for withdrawing "surge" troops. Months ago Bush stated that the extra troops can "return on success," implying they must achieve their mission before coming home. He repeated the "return on success" phrase when he "accepted" General Petraeus’ recommendation to begin withdrawing the surge troops from Iraq at about a combat brigade per month through the summer months, but to "pause" after withdrawing the five combat brigades.
But while Bush said this, the Pentagon told Congress (and media) that the withdrawal schedule was essentially independent of "success" in Iraq. That schedule was predetermined by the limits on combat tours and Gates’ public commitment not to lengthen the tours or further shorten the intervals between tours. As the 15-month tours of the extra "surge" troops expire (seven months for Marines), each combat brigade must be withdrawn, no matter what they’ve achieved, and there simply aren’t sufficient combat troops to replace them without depriving other theaters — especially Afghanistan, where violence is increasing — of the troops they need. As I’ve explained before, the "surge" is ending, successful or not, and we don’t really know whether conditions are such that Petraeus would recommend these withdrawals if he had a choice. Indeed, he’s described the "progress" there as fragile and reversible.
Most of our media either doesn’t get this math or can’t remember it. Yet McCain is using the same rhetorical slight of hand Bush did when saying we’re withdrawing surge troops because we’re succeeding. So even if we excuse McCain’s verb tenses the media should recognize he’s just as willing as George Bush to engage in the White House propaganda efforts to mislead Americans about why the surge troops are withdrawing.
McCain is free, of course, to argue the surge has improved conditions in Iraq. He can cite fewer US casualties or insurgent incidents last month of the type the military counts. He’ll have to ignore the categories they don’t count, including civilian casualties caused by fighting in Basra, Sadr City, Mosul; the hellish conditions in Fallujah; and the ongoing refugee and health crises caused by deteriorating water and sewage conditions. He won’t mention that surging in Iraq meant skimping in Aghanistan, where violence is surging and along whose border with Pakistan the Taliban operate openly.
As Siun’s extraordinary post and on-the-scene Iraqi guest emphasized last night, Iraqi citizens don’t count "progress" or "success" the way an occupying army might count it. I hope everyone reads through that post and the guest’s comments for a different perspective.
Today’s New York Times carries an extended article further illustrating this point. It seems we’ve managed to pacify certain areas — hence fewer reportable incidents than there used to be — but only by rounding up and imprisoning over 20,000 Iraqis, most of whom — 45 to 50 percent according to our military — are probably innocent of any crime other then being in a neighborhood US or Iraqi armed forces were sweeping. But because the detention review procedures we’re using are even worse than those at Gitmo, and we’re afraid to hand the detainees over to even worse Iraqi prisons, innocent Iraqis have been held without charges for years. Perhaps that’s one reason Iraqis are strongly resisting US efforts to agree on legitimizing an unfettered US military presence beyond Bush’s term.
I’ve never doubted that with enough troops and overwhelming firepower, an occupying army/air force could force a local population into submission, in the sense of converting them from open military confrontation to guerilla-type resistance. When that happens, I’d expect metrics for "progress" would show improvements, and the occupying army would call it "progress." But I don’t think anyone should confuse this condition with any of the democratic terms and reconciliation goals the Administration cynically uses to define "success" in Iraq. As Scott McClellan confessed, it’s just propaganda.
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Morning all.
Good Morning, UpState (and everwhere else)!
Good morning, Scarecrow.
It’s not easy to imagine how Iraqis might be better off overall now than they were under Saddam.
ygm FB. Didn’t check my email til late last night. Sorry.
(((QuakerGirl))).
Really frustrating that we can’t find anything out. Would be nice to know, regardless.
Morning Scarecrow,
So does this mean the Iraqi government will end our occupation come January – or soon thereafter?
The warmongers are gonna keep puttin’ out this crap. The Kagan’s must be writing McShitForBrains’ stuff. Sure sounds like their spin. Bottom line, the old man just ain’t got what it takes.
Hoping for a smooth, troll-free day at the Lake. We could sure use it.
Good morning, Scarecrow, & thanks for this post. I used to really hate the word “misspoke,” but now I’m starting to like it more. Just was envisioning how the many instances of McCain’s “misspeaking” can be used in debate after debate & commercial after commercial. A veritable echo chamber of “misspeak, misspeak, misspeak” from John McCain… Sometimes political ads really can write themselves.
I sure did, Roger your last.
I think al Maliki is really on the ropes regarding al Sadr. He (al Maliki) appears to have little influence outside the Green Zone other than where his police and troops (Iraki) are. And that’s shaky.
Good morning all.
Lotsa links this a.m. The key one I think is the NYT article on prisons in Iraq. With the surge ending, it looks like Petraeus is in a hurry to lock down Iraq and lock up suspicious Iraqis as quickly as he can, then leave the detention mess to the next guy, calling it success.
Notice that you don’t find any mention in the article about winning “hearts and minds” or “protect the civilians” or counter-insurgency treatises. Meanwhile, our engineers are walling off each city to prevent the Iraqis from getting at each other and at US forces. We call this “reconciliation.
I read somewhere this weekend that we now have at least 50 US bases there.
In the end it isn’t going to be enough. Petraeus is following the methods of the IDF, thinking that because it sorta works in the occupied territories it will work in Irak. The Palestinians don’t have anywhere near the firepower the Irakis do. Petraeus is a fool. Doesn’t take a whole lot of Semtex to knock a wall down.
Morning all :)
Duggggg :)
speaking of prisons:
US accused of holding terror suspects on prison ships
I’m not sure “influence” is the immediate goal. More like establishing military control, as in Basra, Sadr City, etc. The US has apparently decided they’re willing to have Maliki be a strong man that imposes military dominance — hoping that will allow him to control the elections next fall. Petreaus is willing to allow the US to be Maliki’s militia in what clearly is a civil war for political control of the major cities. Hence the focus on Baghdad, Basra and now Mosul.
When McCain says “we’re winning,” one can only understand that in terms of favoring one side in this civil war.
btw
Richard Clark is on CSPAN 1 now
Hmmmm, I know I dugg this post. It is showing up at Digg, but the digg thing at top of page hasn’t changed .. and yep, I refreshed the page :)
…and Reddited
Thanks for the heads up, Elliott.
We all want something good to happen in Iraq so we can pull our troops out, but that’s not what McCain is saying.
It’s great that the death in Iraq is slowing down, even if it only happens this month. But are we supposed to forget the past five years of incompetence, corruption and disaster that this war has been and, by most accounts, still is?
Military control is a short-lived reality. Look at it through the eyes of an Iraki. The US military is killing mostly Shia now versus Sunni. Most of the police and troops are Shia. The US troops have been hesitant to operate with the Iraki troops because they’re afraid of them turning on them, primarily in small unit operations. If a full blown uprising occurs who do you think the Iraki troops are going to support, al Maliki and the US or al Sadr? My money’s on the Irakis fighting in their own interests, not ours. al Maliki is going to keep US troops there as long as he can because as soon as we leave he’s toast. Badly burnt toast.
I agree. If overall violence in Iraq is falling, it’s very good news, not only for itself but because it makes is politically easier for us to leave. The Republicans are very aware of this.
McCain wants to say his surge is working wonders, but then says it will take us until 2013 to “win.”
Petraeus says we’re making progress, but it’s fragile and not permanent.
Crocker first claims we’ve virtually beaten al Qaeda, then retracts it, realizing that the Administration has so hyped the threat as being from al Qaeda, that to beat them means we don’t have a reason to stay.
In the meantime, we keep handing out $50 billion contracts to feed and house our troops there indefinitely.
Great post, Scarecrow. How nice that McCain now admits he will look us in the eye and tell us his lies.
The number of detainees in Iraq is truly staggering. I am in the process of reading Shock Doctrine and to me, the parallels of massive numbers of Iraqi detainees with the detainees/disappeared in South America after the CIA-sponsored coups is very disturbing. Klein suggests that in South America, not all of the detainees were randomly chosen, but instead, many were chosen because they were seen as likely to stand in the way of the massive transfer of wealth to a small number of people. I wonder if that is also happening in Iraq.
jackie, your digg is there, right now the numbers aren’t showing on the front page here.
So pups don’t be afraid to click the digg button even if you’d rather not be the submitter or aren’t sure you want to digg.
(although “Why not?” – *hands on hips* )
you can navigate away from the digg page if you’d prefer to wait to digg a bit later
You can bet your sweet bippy. People seen as possible local leaders in the event of a full blown conflict, etc. Irakis with any wealth whatsoever have eiher left the country or signed up with the occupiers.
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool. Play nice and don’t break anything. And keep the trolls at bay.
Namaste.
1,861 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen scarecrow and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Shit, no campaign politics this AM so my anger and sorrow at the death and destruction my country inflicts on us all, Iraqis and Americans, rushes to fill the void. It is SOOOO important that we nominate Obama because we simply must get the fuck outta there and we know that neither Mrs. M*Clinton nor her best fuckin’ friend John McCrazy will do the job.
Wake up and smell the blood and bones people, it’s NOT all about the Supreme Court, it’s about the fuckin’ war and if ya get the candidate that will end the one you’ll get a decent Supreme Court as a bonus!!
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE CAN’T AFFORD TA LET YOU POUT!!
OT or not OT.
Richard Clark’s not for international war crimes trials (no surprise there really)
but favors truth and reconciliation approach inre Bush’s War.
Nonplussed, i am tryng to send you the registration info for NetRoots, but your email doesn’t work – do you have another email addy?
I have to agree:
“We are succeeding.”
“We are not succeeding.”
nearly the same sentence… not is such a small word.
Means the same thing- unless you’re nit-picking!
Thanks Scarecrow. Nice post – and the beat goes on…
I don’t understand Iraq election specifics (last I knew it was all ’bout purple thumbs). Anybody got a good site dealing with the process?
Louisiana – creeping back to the last century? Of Course!
McCain doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, and now that the campaign is underway, more people will be enlightened to this very obvious fact.
On another note, Henry Paulson is somewhere in the Middle East telling all who listen that speculation has little to do with the high price of oil.
Henry Paulson came from Goldman Sachs.
Goldman Sachs just predicted $200/barrel oil.
Goldman Sachs makes gazillions handling most of the trading in oil futures contracts.
Why does this (mal)administration welcome so many self dealing liars with open arms?
Chiselers prefer dealing with chiselers – they know where the players stand. Ethical actors are tough to control.
Richard Clarke just wrapped it up on CSPAN by saying the Fed. governmental glass is below half empty right now & the next administration has monumental rebuilding job to do. Changing out those in the WH won’t be enough- rebuilding of all depts. needed.
1,861 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Elliott and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Yes Clark is a disappointment, he also bailed out on the “Israel” question and it’s relationship to our national security. However, remember, Clark is a product and reflection of the problem but he is NOT the enemy here, he also has been advocating for some time for national ID cards. We need a complete change from the hell-bent race to the total national security state but we won’t get it or even a slow down until we get the fuck outta the Middle East ENTIRELY and use our “peculiar ” relationahip with Israel to force peace in Palestine. Like our frustration with current elected leadershiop in the Democratic Party, we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good here. There’s so much bullshit comin’ down that threatens our very existance that it seems we can’t prioitize but politics is the art of the possible and we hafta concentrate on one thing atta time here. That’s why this election is so fuckin’ important…let’s not let ‘em make the Iraq war disappear as an issue.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, AND KEEP YER EYES ON THE PRIZE!!
OT (sorta) Glenn just put up a new post describing the hiring of Michael Goldfarb (of the Weekly Standard) as a communications director for McCain. Yep, real “straight talk” here. Is there a bigger neocon propaganda outlet than Weekly Standard?
If the surge is such a success and justifies us staying the course, whatever that is, why are the Iraqis protesting the idea of us staying there into next year?
Oh, and Citizen Scarecrow, thanx for the great post!
Thank Karl Rove for engineering the loss of heavy democratic wards. State-wide races now have heavy GOP edge. Politics is brutal, but to take advantage of a disaster to gain for the GOP is a legacy for the hellbound.
Let’s all send our good thoughts and prayers for Ted Kennedy while he is undergoing surgery today.
I still get stuck understanding how both increases and decreases in violence in Iraq mean that we need to stay there. Okay, Senator McCain, please explain this so that we can understand it. You have five months, take your time and support your argument with facts. I’m listening….
Hello?….
Got facts?….
So the the right wingers who think that Obama is unqualified to be Prez. are going to put this 36 year old wedge head a melanoma away from the presidency.
Smart people.
-G
1,861 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen moondancer:
“…to take advantage of a disaster to gain for the GOP is a legacy for the hellbound.”
Very well said, and we gotta accelerate their speed toward their ultimate destination.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THESE BASTARDS WON’T GO UNLESS WE KICK THEIR SORRY ASSES OUT!!
“…THE BASTARDS WON’T GO UNLESS WE KICK THEIR SORRY ASSES OUT!!” And that means you too Mrs. M*Clinton!
Republican is a dead brand (and a proven failure). They are going to try to relabel it Conservatism. It may work in the long term, but not in time for November.
Louisiana –
creepinggalloping back to the last century.There. Fixed…
Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, my friend, is to convince at least one strong Hillary supporter today that you not only welcome their support for the likely nominee but appreciate their sense of loss in making that transition.
This is the anniversary of Steve Gilliard’s untimely death. Our guest Jesse Wendell has a tribute to Gilliard in the next post. See you there.
Hey now – don’t you think you’re being a tad rough on The Maverick? After all, in all his
lifetimememory … John McCain has been old. Therefore, he was old, he is old and he will be old as long as he draws breath. Verb tenses [to him] are relative things – a matter of perspective.I emailed you. Hope you get it.
1,861 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Scarecrow:
My mission is not to convince ANY M*Clinton supporter to come over to the light. You see I am treating the M*Clinton supporters as adults who are intelligent and capable of recognizin’ their mistakes and if they choose to stay with M*Clinton over the cliff then that is their right. I will not reach out in supplication to the M*Clinton supporters on bended knee but I have always reached down to help them up outta the gutter that “she who should forever remain nameless” has dragged ‘em. I will continue to attack the candidate and NOT the supporters…and I will continue to remind her supporters that the Democratic Party CAN win this election without her or a good portion of them. You see Scarecrow, I give the M*Clinton suporters more credit than most …I believe that they will vote for Obama because it’s about THEM and US and is not a cult of personality!
KEEP THE FAITH GRASSHOPPER AND DON’T BLEED TO DEATH FROM THE CHAPPED LIPS YOU’LL GET KISSIN’ HER ASS!!
I recommend you read the daily reports on Iraq filed here:
شبكة البصرة منبر العراق الحر الثائر
These go back several years.
thanks alank, for that website!!
I had it last year but lost in in a computer crash – take care to your own computers secutity!! :]
1,861 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Scarecrow:
And one more thing, this electionis not about a candidate it’s about the common people of this country…this is not a cult of personality for the citizens of the country but it IS a cult of fame and fortune for “she who should remain forever nameless”.
KEEP THE FAITH AND STAND STRAIGHT UP DON’T BEG ANYONE FOR ANYTHING!!
McSane has now gone even deeper over the edge in a speech he just gave to AI*PAC, with McLieberdick at his side.
Luckily fox just reported that a J*ewish polls give Obama 61% to McCains’ 32%. But that’s likely a poll of the general population.
But AI*PAC dominates over our Congress. Which is why our Democrats failed to achieve any successess since the ‘06 election -they catered not to us as their constituents but to A*IPA*C.
So I did NOT like or appreciate the standing ovations those members gave McCain everytime he uttered a hardline phrase.
Got news for those members of Congress, who favor appeasing the special interests over what their voters want: the Democrats in the 111th are not going to all sing along with this “Bomb, Bomb Iran” bullshit -so get over it, and jump on our bandwagon. Because yours, ain’t goin’ nowhere!!
You’re welcome. The reports are remarkable for their journalistic style and well-developed sense of irony. Something that’s lacking in the coverage in western news sources, imho.
jeep