Comments on: Let This Be So

By: elmoticky

elmoticky — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 18:17:16 +0000

bobh @ 1, I agree with you. Obama cannot win the
vote of all the women who support Clinton. In fact
McShame will beat him with swiftboating alone. If
Clinton is chosen as VP running mate, McShame has
zero chance, either way, swiftboating or women
voters. Yeah, I agree, Clinton should be VP, or
suffer the consequences.

By: mui1

mui1 — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 17:49:14 +0000

Further criticism or dire predictions about Obama campaign can only be malicious and damaging to the cause of defeating Republcians.

Well there are worries. And we’d all be stupid to ignore it. I think the Obama campaign has to work harder and listen harder and negotiate. I don’t see that right now. In all honesty. I see a bunch of disenfranchised Hillary supporters at the moment. If he is willing to pick up some of the good stuff about her campaign, like healthcare, I can make those phone calls with gusto. If he is willing to give Clinton some credit, I think others will come around. It really is two-way. And now it’s going to be an argument about who is making the least concession. I think Obama has the upper hand, the sceptre so to speak, so that puts him in a more powerful position to hold out an olive leaf or whatever sotospeak. Criticism of Clinton and supporters is only going to be hurtful at this point. So at least admit it goes both ways.

By: Crosstimbers

Crosstimbers — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:27:29 +0000

I have nothing against that and, in fact, believed her health care plan was slightly better in that the mandatory provision seemed necessary. Of course we citizens have minute input into those agreements. I have to say that a big part of my endorsement of Obama, which did not occur until HRC made certain statments about herself and McCain in comparison to Obama, is his pragmatism. But my point is that this post started in that conciliatory fashion and the comment to which I took exception was phrased in the usual bile laden fashion. I think the Obama campaign will do what is required in recognition of HRC’s campaign and followers, but it is also incumbent upon her campaign to work for the good of the entire Democratic party. Further criticism or dire predictions about Obama campaign can only be malicious and damaging to the cause of defeating Republcians.

By: mui1

mui1 — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:44:59 +0000

But McCain is a threat, and should be taken seriously (unless I am reading you wrong.) Of course I would be willing, but only once the Obama camp makes some sort of concession to the Hillary camp, that can give us Clinton supporters (Lukasiak can supply the huge number I am sure) who want to want to beat the Republikans, and who want some kind of unity, a real solid argument to make to those who feel way to teed off. If the Obama camp makes no concession (like giving Clinton charge of a universal healthcare plan), than I feel more hopeless that the rift can be healed. It would be a heckuva a lot harder to make calls for the presidential campaign to Hillary supporters, if as #26 suggests the Clintons were marginalized, or purged from the party, thereby disenfranchising the supporters.

By: Crosstimbers

Crosstimbers — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:29:32 +0000

That’s fine. I have no problem with your comments and know you realize that a McCain victory will be equally damageing to us all. That is why I don’t take to the threats. On lthe other hand, I would think you would be willing to advise the other parties to do the same.

By: mui1

mui1 — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:21:02 +0000

I don’t know if I am accusing you per say. But case in point: #26. Please don’t tell me that is not a kind of norm, and then compare it to either me or Lukasiak, and ask who is willing to be reasonable (and always keep in mind that huge popular vote that Clinton has garnered.) It’s useless at this point to insult the Clintons, and their supporters by extension. Remember Clinton/Edwards did have a better healthcare plan.
I think wooing or “bending over backwards” is a very small price to pay for beating that f*cist McCain. Let’s not make the mistakes of 1930s Germany. If you agree, and I think you do, cool, but then it’s up to people like us to spread the gospel, because there is common ground between democrats. Even the most conservative antichoice dems stay dems because education is important, etc.

By: Smgumby

Smgumby — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 15:02:16 +0000

Her health care plan is better, it would be wise of him to adopt it, and she would be the perfect person to lead it.

By: leftdcin72

leftdcin72 — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:22:52 +0000

The Clintons need to be marginalized. Hillary Clinton will never accept a cabinet post if that meant giving up her Senate seat. The Clintons ran a despicable, disorganized and dysfunctional campaign this time around and a dysfunctional presidency the last time around. We are well rid of both of them if that is possible. And lest those sharing my views be accused of piling on, not “working together” I would note that I gave money to the Clintons this time round in the beginning in the hope that they would finally have something to say. What a dull worthless campaign they ran.

When are people finally going to catch on to the Clintons? Grifters and hustlers.

By: Crosstimbers

Crosstimbers — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:13:47 +0000

Again, I don’t disagree with what you say. However, I am slightly puzzled that you choose to rebuke me for uncompromising hostility in comparison to the Lukasiak comment.

By: mui1

mui1 — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 13:07:50 +0000

BTW. I’ve seen Lukasiak was referring to some alarming poll data. I don’t see his conclusions as “threats.”