Reviewing the news from Iraq on the mainstream sources the past two days, variations of one headline repeats over and over – let’s use the WaPo AP version for our text:
Deaths in Iraq plunge, but will it last?
Of course, when they say “Deaths” they really mean American deaths … we’ve come to expect that but they also go on to claim that Iraqi deaths are down too:
At least 532 Iraqi civilians and security troopers were killed during the month, according to figures compiled by The Associated Press from Iraqi police and military reports. That’s down sharply from April’s figure of 1,080 and the lowest monthly total this year, according to the AP count.
Cause for celebration? Well, aside from the absurd idea that 532 is good news, look closely at that statement. “Iraqi civilians and security troopers” “from Iraqi police and military reports” … as we’ve seen from repeated reports of civilian casualties caused by US forces, Iraqis killed while sleeping at home in the path of US air strikes or walking or driving or just scavenging food in the markets are considered “insurgents” and so do not count.
But let’s look further.
First I did a quick glance at the headlines at Aswat Al Iraq … as I do everyday. Not exactly peace and security …
Then I looked at the latest stories over at GorillasGuides. First:
Between 9 in the evening yesterday an midday today June 1st 2008 18 people were reported killed, 36 reported wounded and 84 detained.
and then an update:
This brings the total for today to 22 killed and 40 wounded. With 92 detentions (49 of them in Hit following the bombing.)
Also 9 unemployed civilians who were queuing for work in Mosul were shot by a policeman apparently by accident. From the report it sounds like he had his safety catch off.
Mohammed Ibn Laith also points us to a story in The Guardian’s Observer coverage:
Five weeks ago Leila Hussein told The Observer the chilling story of how her husband had killed their 17-year-old daughter over her friendship with a British soldier in Basra. Now Leila, who had been in hiding, has been murdered – gunned down in cold blood.
And markfromireland was kind enough to translate the information in Fatima Jameel’s post – here’s the gist:
"But in recent decades the phenomenon of breast cancers among young and middle-aged women has increased markedly and [in a manner] unprecedented in Basrah or Irak in general"
It gives statistics from the hospital in Basrah:
137 women in 2003 including 40 under the age of 39.
126 women in 2004 of whom 41 were under 30.
145 women in 2005 including 11 women between 15 and 20.
262 women in 2007 including 14 girls (pre-teens)
Result of continuing to use Depleted Uranium munitions? While there’s no "proof" at the moment, the history of extensive DU bombing in the region during Gulf War I as well as the ongoing air strikes is at least grounds for strong suspicions.
Meanwhile, reports from Mosul continue to be horrifying – from the discovery of a mass grave to the ongoing siege.
And so, while the US press and likely all sorts of US “leaders” will now celebrate the “progress” in Iraq, once again the real story is that there is no cause for celebration for the Iraqi people.
With that in mind, we’ve talked over the past few weeks about ways we could provide some direct help and three ideas have been suggested:
1- a blogswarm to fundraise for Red Crescent
2- book shipments via A Star from Mosul for academic texts for the university
3- a web campaign – via Facebook, MySpace and more – to demand at minimum Red Crescent visitation privileges for the Iraqi youths detained in US camp prisons.
And we’re exploring ways to assist given the dangerous water conditions that are worsening with the drought. More on that as we get it.
If folks would like to help with any or all of these, please let us know in comments – and contribute your suggestions on the best ways to make these campaigns a success.
Video from "No Comment TV" – caption: Despite improved security in Iraq, families still worry about the safety of their children when stepping out of house for school.
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I am particularly pleased to say we may have a guest this evening from Iraq.
Hello Siun.
Hi Laura … looks like folks are still in Puerto Rico.
hi siun -
thanks for this perspective. it’s certainly very missing in the msm.
Good Evening to you Siun (although this sobering reminder of what has been done in our names kinda makes it a not so good evening).
They’ll surface soon. Do you think we could jump on the facebook thingy right away? I don’t imagine that takes a ton of organizing to manifest….
Aloha, Siun and Laura!
Erdla, Mark, Fatima…? ;-)
I so appreciate that translation of the breast cancer article from Gorilla Guides. I could tell from the tags it was something bad….
Bismillah ir-Rahman ir-Rahim
In the name of God, most Gracious, most Compassionate.
Peace to you Christina my sister in humanity what shall we talk about today you and I?
It is all a horror but the breast cancer report is so awful. Young women under 14 – good grief.
And Peace to you Mohammed who I am honored to call brother in humanity.
Welcome to our conversation and thank you for joining us. I know the arrangements are difficult and we greatly appreciate your time.
Welcome Mohammed.
Friends, just a quick note – Mohammed is joining us from Iraq and his comments go through several waystations to protect his security so there will be lags.
I should also mention that he is writing to us in English – which puts my lack of Arabic to shame.
Hello, Mohammed. Thank you so much for joining us.
Here is A Digg for Suin… so get the shovels out and start digging!
What really doesn’t help, in regards to Iraqi deaths is the fact we’ve fired over 200 hellfire missiles within the past month and mostly in the densely populated Sadr City… ! 8-(
I know
Welcome Mohammed.
Siun, our lack of knowledge of other languages often shames us. So we go to other countries and speak English louder hoping that will help the natives to understand us.
Which is just another side of the lack of knowledge of other cultures which leads us to invade Irak and then do ever more stupid actions to make the horrendous invasion and occupation that much worse.
I will update sadly your figures Christina:
20080601 (2)
English Summary:
Deaths & Woundings reported:
* 4 Dead.
* 4 Wounded.
Details:
* An American soldier killed in north Baghdad. (4085 killed in Irak).
* Civilian killed in Mosul.
* 2 members of one family (mother and 3 yo son) killed in Jaluala near Khanaqin by a bomb 4 others wounded.
This brings the total for today to 22 killed and 40 wounded. With 92 detentions (49 of them in Hit following the bombing.)
Also 9 unemployed civilians who were queuing for work in Mosul were shot by a policeman apparently by accident. From the report it sounds like he had his safety catch off.
wa barakatuhu wa rahmatullah. and blessings on you and god’s compassion.
Sadly, there’s no viable reporting of that fact herein the States… It truly needs to be highlighted by the MSM to emphasize the need to get out of Iraq…! Mahalo,(thank you) for being here Mohammed! I reported on Sadr’s protests of the SOFA/SFA today at my website…
Wa alaikumu-s-salaam wa rahmatu-llahi wa barakatuhu
Thank you for the update. The news just gets sadder with each hour.
Mohammed, can you tell us anything about the conditions in Sadr City now? We have followed the siege a lot here but have not gotten a sense of whether things are any better for the inhabitants today than a month ago. Is food and medicine getting to people for example? I was hoping you might have heard news.
SYDNEY, Australia — Australia, a staunch U.S. ally and one of the first countries to commit troops to the war in Iraq five years ago, ended combat operations there Sunday.
Soldiers lowered the Australian flag that had flown over Camp Terendak in the southern Iraqi city of Talil. The combat troops were expected to return to Australia over the next few weeks, with the first of them arriving home Sunday.
The move fulfills a campaign promise by Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, who was swept into office in November largely on the promise that he would bring home the country’s 550 combat troops by the middle of 2008. Rudd has said the Iraq deployment made Australia more of a target for terrorism.
huffington
Oh, boy.
There must be a way we can make this front page MSM news. How? Is Dana Priest available?
And that is perhaps the only good news.
Dugg. Thanks so much Siun.
Both GZG and the invading forces continue to limit the supply of goods and services. This policy of collective punishment of civilians is particularly marked in sectors 1 to 9.
Both Sadr hospital and Imam Ali report a sharp increase in water contamination caused diarroheal disease especialy in the 3 to 10 year old age grop.
Not so much good news they are being replaced by Americans who shoot first and cover up later. We expect the civilian death rate to rise in those governorates now.
Mohammed, what do you think is the best way for us to help? (Besides ending this horrible presidency) What can Americans do that will make the most impact to help Irakis?
Then we will have to do what we can to remind people of the situation.
Water contamination is so terrifying …and I imagine with the existing water problems this is so much worse.
Seems like a Democratic Candidate for US President could be likewise swept into office on the same merits.
Sectors 1-9, is that specific sectors in Baghdad, or Iraq as a whole…?
Note: We will not be discussing the presidential candidates in this thread. If folks want to debate the merits of candidates, please use the previous post. Thanks!
Of Sadr city. Get any map of Sadr city and you will see numbered squares. Those are the sectors.
Sectors 1-9 and 55 are the ones to watch.
Sadr City.
Water. My people are dieing of water borne diseases and of water contamination and this is on top of the drougt.
Are they the Southern sectors, near the concrete barrier being erected…? I shall try to download and print up some maps…!
Was the water supply good before the invasion? water treatment?
I assume but would like to check that this is yet another area of infrastructure which we have harmed.
Mohammed, I understand there is very bad news from Mosul though we hear that it is getting better. Is there recent news we could share?
Let’s hope so.
If violence has really gone down so much in Iraq, perhaps John McCain would be willing to go back and tour the Baghdad marketplace again, this time without flak jacket, heavy security detail, helicopters overhead, etc.?
Water. Irakis are deprived of safe water, and our president is concerned about preserving cluster bombs.
And drink the water.
Siun, have you read Badger’s post today?
SUBJECT: IRAQ WATER TREATMMENT VULNERABILITIES (U)
3. FAILING TO SECURE SUPPLIES WILL RESULT IN A SHORTAGE OF PURE DRINKING WATER FOR MUCH OF THE POPULATION. THIS COULD LEAD TO INCREASED INCIDENCES, IF NOT EPIDEMICS, OF DISEASE AND TO CERTAIN PURE-WATER-DEPENDENT INDUSTRIES BECOMING INCAPACITATED, INCLUDING PETRO CHEMICALS, FERTILIZERS, PETROLEUM REFINING, ELECTRONICS,PHARMACEUTICALS, FOOD PROCESSING, TEXTILES, CONCRETE CONSTRUCTION,AND THERMAL POWERPLANTS.
……
28. THE ENTIRE IRAOI WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM WILL NOT COLLAPSE PRECIPITOUSLY, BUT ITS CAPABILITIES WILL DECLINE STEADILY AS DWINDLING SUPPLIES INCREASINGLY ARE DIVERTED TO HIGHER PRIORITY SITES WITH COMPATIBLE EQUIPMENT. KARKH, IRAO’S LARGEST WATERTREATMENT PLANT (AND ONE OF THE WORLD’S LARGEST), WAS DESIGNED TO STORE 30 DAYS OF SUPPLIES ON SITE. THE QUANTITY OF SUPPLIES, IF ANY, NORMALLY STOCKPILED IN CENTRALIZED WAREHOUSES BEFORE SHIPMENT TO TREATMENT PLANTS IS UNKNOWN, BUT A 6 MONTH TO I YEAR SUPPLY OF CHEMICALS IS THE NORMAL INDUSTRIAL PRACTICE. HOWEVER, CURRENT IRAQI EFFORTS TO OBTAIN CHEMICALS AND MEMBRANES AND THE INSTALLATION OF A PIPELINE TO OBTAIN PURE KUWAITI WATER SUGGEST THAT THERE WAS NOT ADEOUATE STOCKPILING PRIOR TO THE INVASION OF KUWAIT. SOME CHEMICALS ARE DEPLETED OR ARE NEARING DEPLETION, AND OLDER MEMBRANES ARE NOT BEING REPLACED ON SCHEDULE. CONSEOUENTLY, IRAQ PROBABLY IS USING UNTREATED OR PARTIALLY TREATED WATER IN SOME LOCATIONS. FULL DEGRADATION OF THE WATER TREATMENT SYSTEM PROBABLY WILL TAKE AT LEAST ANOTHER 6 MONTHS.
Text in orginal is as shown.
Is there any evidence to suggest that the military is fouling the water on purpose? Certainly with power outages and subsequent pressure loss and water line breakage, water will get fouled. Is there anything else going on that would point to even more nefarious activity? Isra*l is constantly screwing with the Palestinian water supply. It is a rotten tactic.
My next contribution to the Red Crescent will be in honor of Ali, and Mohammed’s brave efforts to get him to medical help.
CT – not yet but I know that Mohammed and the Guides team has been covering events there directly for quite a while and hope that Mohammed can bring us more direct news.
the u.s. deliberately destroyed iraq’s water treatment capabilities.
مقبرة جماعية للمختطفين في مقر انسحبت منه البيشمركة بالموصل | Mass grave in Mosul/Nineveh in the areas vacated by the Peshmerga
Sorry, didn’t mean to offend…! *g*
And that briefing is dated:
IRAQ WATER TREATMMENT VULNERABILITIES (U)
Filename:511rept.91
DTG: 221900Z JAN 91
FM: DIA WASHINGTON DC
VIA: NMIST NET
TO: CENTCOM
INFO: CENTAF
UK STRIKE COMMAND
MARCENT
18 ABC
NAVCENT
SOCCENT
7TH CORPS
ANKARA
SUBJECT: IRAQ WATER TREATMMENT VULNERABILITIES (U)
AS OF 18 JAN 91 KEY JUDGMENTS
no offense CT … I am just very excited to have Mohammed join us and give us a chance to discuss events in a way we are never able to.
Yes – during sanctions it was not allowed to bring in either the chemicals or the machinery to purify the water. Then they were bombed again in the lead up to the invasion. None of the “no bid” contracts was completed to my knowledged.
I realized today that when I read of “mass graves” I somehow always assume they are old – not recent massacres. That is a view I need to remember is sadly oh so wrong.
Sounds like the water in Iraq is typically desalinated. Had they been using ocean water directly in any cases?
Badger also covered the Peshmerga’s complicity…
Thank you. (My colleague Khaled has access to the database which I do not on this connection.)
Mohammed, you have been writing often recently about the conditions of women in Iraq.
In the West we are often told that women are mistreated in Islamic countries. I know Maryam who honored us with a visit a while ago would have some *pointed* things to say about that but I wondered if you would like to comment?
If the water for the Military is bad (its so bad that they flavor it with kool aid), then you know that the Iraqis are truly suuffering beyond imagination.
Part of what Red Crescent does is to help bury unclaimed bodies. Including those from mass graves. Also Sheikh Soudani’s people with whom we have excellent relations. That was how we identified the bodies of our missing member’s wife and children so quickly although we are still looking for his body. From a technical point we classify any grave with more than 10 as a mass grave.
Even one grave is too many…! 8-(
Factbox - Security developments in Iraq, 01 Jun 2008
One of the projects we’ve been discussing is the idea of trying to launch a fundraiser for Iraqi Red Crescent, Many of us donate ourselves but we’d like to encourage more and give people a way to help more directly.
I hope folks here will think of ways we can make such a drive very successful.
We may have a slight communications glitch – being worked on.
It’s amazing it works at all! Thanks to everyone involved.
Are you still planning the multi-blog push for donations, Siun?
Absolutely CT and we’re counting on you. I’ve been a bit overloaded with some other blog work lately as well as house changes and day job office move but this is the week to get this moving so lets think about how we can make it big.
It is pretty astonishing … and quite an honor that the Guides team and especially Mohammed chose to join us.
How old is Mohammed?
You know you have my support, drop me an email…! ;-)
I had so hoped for a different outcome:
Have you heard anything at all about the British friend and what he has to say?
Thank you.
I am 17
Blog ads?
and older in life than I will ever be!
Interesting idea – we could see if blogs would donate ad space.
Your english is excellent! Stay safe!
Mohammed, please take good care of yourself. Americans can’t get much in the way of unfiltered information from Iraq, so it’s important you keep letting us know the truth.
Thank you.
I know blogads here are about $5000. per week. Maybe we need to have a one week ad with word from some high profile democrats to support it? I don’t even want to guess what an add at the NYT or WaPo would cost.
I’ll see what I can do… I don’t even have a ‘donate’ button myself…! ;-)
Siun, if I ever get my “stimulus check” I would donate it to the cause. Makes me ill that we are getting this check while Irakis are without proper water, though.
I think we can work outside of big advertising by some smart grassroots work …keep overhead low and donations 100% for Red Crescent.
Thank you.. I thought perhaps you were lost in the connection problems.
I read several reports about massive protests this week. Were the Iraki people allowed to do so without to much trouble from police and militia?
My reply to that as a Muslim is that there is no place within Islam for women to be mistreated or subjected to tyranny. That much of what is called “Islamic” mistreatment of women. Is cultural and against the spirit of Islam. The Prophet’s (PBUH) first wife was a very successful business woman. Women took an active part in the early Ummah and we need to return to that.
I’m game! I just need a little tech support in setting it up…! Drop me a line, Siun! I average a thousand visitors a day…! 8-)
Siun, Mohammed – thanks for making this happen
more war crimes.
Mohammed, I am deeply ashamed of what my nation has done to Irak. Contaminated water, uranium poisoned land….hundreds of thousands dead and millions displaced.
The only “plunge” is in what passed for America’s values.
Thank you for your willigness to even speak with us. As a nation, we are not worthy.
Oh oh.. Stimulus for Red Crescent drive!
is red crescent the best way to get actual aid to people in Iraq?
Do you consider the ill treatment towards women in many of the muslim nations due to Wahabbism…?
We could use more of that thinking here! Thank you for explaining. We have so much to learn.
I know the biography of Mohammed written by Karen Armstrong which our friend markfromireland recommended was extremely helpful to me.
Maybe pick a single day, and see how many progressive bloggers would be willing to devote a big part of that day to posts about Iraq and a request to join in making a donation to the Red Crescent…
There was quite a lot of harassment from GZG police especially in Nasiriyah, and Basrah. They also arrested as we reported here: 20080531 Nasser Al-Rubaie and 4 Sadrist deputies in Diwaniyah as they were on way from Basrah to Najaf.
that’s a good idea
Good idea. Mohammed, is there a date that is especially important to Islam in the near future?
It keeps sounding as if the GZG wants to provoke a battle. That must be very hard to deal with.
Yes. They are the only humanitarian organisation that works everywhere in Irak. They are also completely nonsectarian and have the dead and kidnapped volunteers and paid staff to prove it.
Perhaps our guest could suggest an upcoming day that would have particular significance to the Iraki people, rather than an American-centered date, and we could organize Red Crescent fundraising around that day….
Not to mention the holes in the ambulances, the turned away vans and the pocks from mortars on the office walls….!
This may sound ignorant (because I am) but what is the U.S. government’s position toward Red Crescent? I have heard they classify some Muslim charities as “terrorist organizations”–wouldn’t want anybody to end up on a no fly list or anything because they tried to help the Iraqis regain clean water–do we have any assurance that it is politically “safe” for Americans to donate to Red Crescent?
Good question. Red Crescent is part of the International Red Cross/Red Crescent and therefore there is no problem getting donations to them. Each country has their own local organization but american donations to the Iraqi branch go through the global organiztion. 100% is transferred to Iraq.
They have no practical objections to the red crescent, considering it is affiliated with the red cross… only Hamas and the Sadrists…!
Thank you. It made me feel sick to even think I had to ask that question, but given events of the last 7 years here it seemed like a valid concern.
When you give to the Red Crescent, you are giving to the International Red Cross, Red Crescent societies, based in Geneva. You can specify in your gift that the money be devoted to Iraq. As to political safety….
No although it is particularly harsh amongst those called in the west Wahabbis. Mistreatment of women and their subjugation is a plague throughout the Dar al-Islam. Basrah for example is now very much a Shia city. In Pakistan in the tribal areas women are very badly treated according to somebody who writes to me from there. Wherever there is tyranny and social deprivation – which is to say unIslamic government – there women are especially badly treated.
Seems like holidays are a ways away. Howabout the summer solstice? On the day the sun falls the longest on us all, and in hopes that the darkness of this war will be as short as the midsummer’s night.
Thanks, that was pretty much my thoughts, and btw, the wahabbi school is prevalent in Saudi Arabia too…! ;-)
There is Isra’ & Mi’raj in the month of Rajab which is about the end of July in the western Calendar but there are many learned Imams in American Mosques and many Islamic charities. They could advise you on American dates better than I could.
(I should quickly add that while we have religious feast days that they are not Sacred days like say Easter Sunday is to followers of Prophet Jesus (PBUH). To Muslims all days are sacred because we do not have sacraments it is everyday life we are commanded by God to sacralise. )
To Muslims all days are sacred because we do not have sacraments it is everyday life we are commanded by God to sacralise.
And five times a day too… Whew…! 8-)
I want to thank Mohammed for coming here to inform us, and Siun for setting it up.
Perhaps one day we can have a conversation about Islam here – I think it would be very valuable for all of us to learn more.
I’ll second that!
Since the Firedoglake schedule moves quickly – and I believe Teddy will have a post coming up, I’d like to invite folks to stay as long as possible but I also know this is a big effort for the Guides team. Thank you to all of the team for helping and allowing us to share this time.
And Mohammed, thank you in particular for your kindness in joining us in conversation.
We’ll keep talking here but I didn’t want the time to pass without our gratitude.
That would be wonderful, Siun. If possible, maybe we could prepare for it as we would a book salon ( get a little advance notice so we could read Armstrong’s book or others….)
Thank you so much for being here today Mohammed. Best to you, your family and the Gorilla Guides.
They don’t like us that is true. That is because we are the only major movement that is nationalist. Also we have risen against them repeatedly and they are terrified that Sayyid al-Sadr will succeed in strenghtening and renewing his ties to the “Sunni” resistance as he did when he sent fighters to al-Anbar during the rape of Fallujah despite the fact that he himself was then under siege.
Yes, thank you!
Mohammed and Guides, thank you for making it possible for us to hear from you – and thank you for what you do everyday.
Mohammed,
Thank you so much for your strength and courage. May you and your loved ones stay safe and healthy. You and your fellow Iraqis are in my thoughts every day. May peace come soon.
With gratitude,
Heather
How true, considering Maliki is in the pocket of the Occupiers and Hakim was a traitor to Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war, and Hakim’s Badr Brigades are the true criminals…!
Mohammed, I have been very impressed with the strength of the Sadrist movement in opposition to the occupation. And with the discipline and commitment to speaking for the poor. From what I can tell – and it is hard with the media here – the Sadrist trend has been very involved in protecting Christian Iraqis as well – is that correct?
Mohammed, you are so young, and yet have already accomplished so much. You should be very proud. Thank you for joining us.
Laura – that’s a very good idea! I’ll chat with Bev and Jane about it.
Thanks to our guests for visiting today, I know this takes a lot to establish and operate. I hope we can strategize a way to coordinate aid to Red Crescent soon — the idea of helping others on the summer solstice, which is coming soon and affects all of us on the planet, has a universal appeal.
Teddy has Late Nite upstairs!
Sunday Late Nite: Things Younger Than McCain
Again, I’d like to invite folks to email me at media dot firedoglake at gmail dot com is you would like to help plan the fundraiser and other efforts. We have a great offer of help creating a MySpace page about the children detainees and I’m sure there are lots of ways people can help. We need everyone who can join in.
Locally yes. But there is no one group to protect them and they are badly persecuted. Even in the north to where many of them have fled they are no longer safe. There are demands from all sides especially in Ninawa that they form a militia.
I have written at lenght in both my language and yours about this. Is it considered within politeness to quoute and link to my own writing?
It would be wonderful to read your writing on this. Please share with us.
Thank you Mohammed and Gorilla Guides for speaking with us. I too wish I could speak to you in your language as you are doing so well in ours.
Please be safe and all your family too.
Please do, Mohammed.
I explain some of the history of Christians in Irak then I quote:
“We keep telling everyone that we as Christians are different. We have got nothing to do with such practices but it seems they provided the fuel for the calamity we suffer from now,” said one church source.
Next:
From here: Nearly One Million Christians – Most Of Them Now On The Run
I explain there also how it is strictly forbidden to use compulsion in matters of religion.
Mohammed, thank you for sharing your words with us. That is a very powerful statement and one we too should pay close attention to.
This week we saw the story of the US soldier who was punished for “trying to convert” Muslims yet I am sure he was just the one scapegoat.
Mohammed
I am deeply ashamed to hear that our soldiers have been guilty of desecrating your mosques and holy sites in such a way. Please accept the deepest apologies from all of us at this site for such behavior
I should mention that the link in Mohammed’s username leads to an archive of his writings. I find his work always very helpful to my understanding – and I wish I wrote as well!
Thank you Siun for arranging this conversation with Mohammed and I hope we can do it again, and often. We in this country know too little of Mohammed’s culture, his religion, or anything else of any use to understanding.
Hopefully, as we learn from him and others, we can spread the truth about Islam, and the people of Irak as well.
Mohammed – your comment above about Christians developing their own militia is so sad … to think that everyone now needs a separate militia just for basic protection.
Thank you. I should explain that I write in Arabic first then I translate and Ali and when he is present my friend of my childhood and brother of my heart Dubhaltach Ibn Mhaircaish help me correct my English.
I miss Dubhaltach a great deal and hope he is well and safe.
I always particularly appreciate the way your writing captures what I imagine is the “flow” of Arabic – and perhaps the Qu’ran verses.
Yes it is enough to make me cry with rage and shame as is the name of the article I used to write about Christians and the persecution of them:
I think of how Du and I would go to his church and how he came with me to the Baratha Mosque which is a place of pilgrimage both for Muslims and Christians. He wrote about it on our old site. I have friends and colleagues who are Christian. It is shameful and evil that they are persecuted.
I remember that post from Du … thank you for the link. And I believe I remember you writing about your friends and soccer, from all religious groups. Someday I believe Iraq will once again play together.
Yes both Basil and Yusuf are Christians.
Mohammed, I want to thank you again for sharing this time with us. As it is getting late here – and must be very early there – it seems a good time to close. I know if is very complicated for the team to make this possible and I want to thank everyone involved.
I hope we can share some time again and talk further. It is a great honor to have you as our visitor.
Thank you so much.
And may peace be with you always.
likewise, thank you Mohammed.
I should let the ones who have made this possible get some rest. My thanks to them, both to my colleagues here in Irak and my colleagues who now live in exile.
My thanks to you Christina for raising your voice against the slaughter of my people.
I have left until last the most important thanks for me personally.
The foundress of this site wrote a remembrance of my brother Ali, when he was killed. I would like to give her particular thanks for this comfort.
Mohammed Ibn Laith.
Mohammed, I will make certain that Jane sees your message. It will mean a great deal to her as it does to all of us. Your brother Ali is remembered by us all and it was very important to our team to express our condolences.
Thank you for all that you do and to the Guides team.