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	<title>Comments on: Sunday Talking Heads: June 1, 2008</title>
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		<title>By: nonplussed</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/01/sunday-talking-heads-june-1-2008/#comment-1473152</link>
		<dc:creator>nonplussed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:58:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Richardson, the guy as brilliant foreign policy credentials, successful negotiations. But I hope you are right, the people that are accusing Obama supporters of not being true Democrats are prepared to allow, or even worse, aid and abet the opposition. I really hope this is merely angry posturing made in the throes of frustration. Hopefully they will reflect upon the relative importance of things, reunify with us and together, we can all move the Country’s urgent business forward.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richardson, the guy as brilliant foreign policy credentials, successful negotiations. But I hope you are right, the people that are accusing Obama supporters of not being true Democrats are prepared to allow, or even worse, aid and abet the opposition. I really hope this is merely angry posturing made in the throes of frustration. Hopefully they will reflect upon the relative importance of things, reunify with us and together, we can all move the Country’s urgent business forward.</p>
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		<title>By: hazmaq</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/01/sunday-talking-heads-june-1-2008/#comment-1473122</link>
		<dc:creator>hazmaq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The media is back on it’s same old propaganda campaign.  And Fareed Zakaria -noted internationalist -seems to have joined in with the bullshit.  Not that CNN needed to add to their more than ample quota of crockery..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Iraq and the US are in a horrible position right now.  Seriously and possibly fatally deadlocked in the iron jaws of the US, for anyone to use the words success or mission accomplished when the country is in worse shape than at any other despotic point of it’s history.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Australia is now leaving Iraq- one of our troops last sources of outside aid.  Basra, the Southern Oil center once held ’successfully’ by the British has already fallen back by 50%.&lt;br /&gt;
We barely held on to Iraq  -with the support of others.&lt;br /&gt;
That’s gone.&lt;br /&gt;
What victories the US could claim -came and went and were stomped on by the like of Bush, Lieberman and McCain.&lt;br /&gt;
The media is now dead silent on Iraq.  They can’t very well report on it’s failures can they, after just reporting how wonderful things were to feed the Right’s mouthes?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush and McCain are 2 bulldogs with their jaws around the oil and the government’s throat, with Petraus  -despite the majority of Iraqis now demanding we get the f*** out  -pinning down the rest of Iraq -keeping it’s citizens huddled in hovels in fear.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“.. BAGHDAD - Australia ended its combat operations in southern Iraq on Sunday, while the Iraqi government said it has differences with the United States in negotiations over a long-term security agreement.&lt;br /&gt;
The official statement by government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh comes amid growing opposition to the deal among Iraqis who see it as a possible violation of Iraq’s sovereignty and are worried about an extended presence of American troops.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The same old media and Congressional hacks will continue to feed and profit off of the war profiteers, but luckily  -this time - we’ll have a nominee who in the most beautiful of ironies will get media attention when he  throws their bullshit right back at them -all of them.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;VIVA OBAMA/RICHARDSON?CLARKE(RICHARD)?MCCASKILL?SHINSEKE? ‘08!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media is back on it’s same old propaganda campaign.  And Fareed Zakaria -noted internationalist -seems to have joined in with the bullshit.  Not that CNN needed to add to their more than ample quota of crockery..</p>
<p>Iraq and the US are in a horrible position right now.  Seriously and possibly fatally deadlocked in the iron jaws of the US, for anyone to use the words success or mission accomplished when the country is in worse shape than at any other despotic point of it’s history.</p>
<p>Australia is now leaving Iraq- one of our troops last sources of outside aid.  Basra, the Southern Oil center once held ’successfully’ by the British has already fallen back by 50%.<br />
We barely held on to Iraq  -with the support of others.<br />
That’s gone.<br />
What victories the US could claim -came and went and were stomped on by the like of Bush, Lieberman and McCain.<br />
The media is now dead silent on Iraq.  They can’t very well report on it’s failures can they, after just reporting how wonderful things were to feed the Right’s mouthes?</p>
<p>Bush and McCain are 2 bulldogs with their jaws around the oil and the government’s throat, with Petraus  -despite the majority of Iraqis now demanding we get the f*** out  -pinning down the rest of Iraq -keeping it’s citizens huddled in hovels in fear.</p>
<p>“.. BAGHDAD &#8211; Australia ended its combat operations in southern Iraq on Sunday, while the Iraqi government said it has differences with the United States in negotiations over a long-term security agreement.<br />
The official statement by government spokesman Ali al-Dabbagh comes amid growing opposition to the deal among Iraqis who see it as a possible violation of Iraq’s sovereignty and are worried about an extended presence of American troops.”</p>
<p>The same old media and Congressional hacks will continue to feed and profit off of the war profiteers, but luckily  -this time &#8211; we’ll have a nominee who in the most beautiful of ironies will get media attention when he  throws their bullshit right back at them -all of them.</p>
<p>VIVA OBAMA/RICHARDSON?CLARKE(RICHARD)?MCCASKILL?SHINSEKE? ‘08!</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/01/sunday-talking-heads-june-1-2008/#comment-1473045</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 16:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That’s why it’s unproductive to continue to feed the trolls.  It’s an exercise in futility.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s why it’s unproductive to continue to feed the trolls.  It’s an exercise in futility.</p>
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		<title>By: Crosstimbers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/01/sunday-talking-heads-june-1-2008/#comment-1473038</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosstimbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just in passing, there doesn’t seem to be much point in arguing with someone who can see the Obama campaign as the one which was totally self interested and didn’t give a damn about the future of the Democratic Party or the country.  There just seems no saving him and a few others. I understand he’s done good work in the past, but that is no longer the case.  All the dots he connected proved wrong and he seems to think that just can’t be, somebody has to have cheated him.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in passing, there doesn’t seem to be much point in arguing with someone who can see the Obama campaign as the one which was totally self interested and didn’t give a damn about the future of the Democratic Party or the country.  There just seems no saving him and a few others. I understand he’s done good work in the past, but that is no longer the case.  All the dots he connected proved wrong and he seems to think that just can’t be, somebody has to have cheated him.</p>
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		<title>By: tw3k</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/01/sunday-talking-heads-june-1-2008/#comment-1473037</link>
		<dc:creator>tw3k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, it is the progressive caucus building that brings me to FDL.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it is the progressive caucus building that brings me to FDL.</p>
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		<title>By: ThatGuy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/01/sunday-talking-heads-june-1-2008/#comment-1473033</link>
		<dc:creator>ThatGuy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah I know, I have big fat fingers, that idiot Hil-bot is pissing me off and I can’t have caffeine so I’m typing faster than my brain can work. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But you’re right, the dog didn’t eat my homework, I just didn’t do it. :-D&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I know, I have big fat fingers, that idiot Hil-bot is pissing me off and I can’t have caffeine so I’m typing faster than my brain can work. </p>
<p>But you’re right, the dog didn’t eat my homework, I just didn’t do it. :-D</p>
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		<title>By: perris</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/06/01/sunday-talking-heads-june-1-2008/#comment-1473032</link>
		<dc:creator>perris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:56:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Explain to me how this kind of “logic” is any different from the “logic” governing the rationales of the worst abuses of the Bush administration. &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;the primaries are not an election, they are not democratic, they are part and parcel to the rules of the party, those candidates that compete in the primary sign on to those rules&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;just like a tennis match, it’s not democratic at all, it’s a competition&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the primariesa are not set up to run the candidate that gets the most votes they are set up to run the candidate that is going to be best for the party&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;now that is a pretty subjective task and I am not sure I agree with how we go about it, but I do agree with this;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the primaries are not part of the election, it’s a differant process set up by the party&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Explain to me how this kind of “logic” is any different from the “logic” governing the rationales of the worst abuses of the Bush administration. </p>
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<p>the primaries are not an election, they are not democratic, they are part and parcel to the rules of the party, those candidates that compete in the primary sign on to those rules</p>
<p>just like a tennis match, it’s not democratic at all, it’s a competition</p>
<p>the primariesa are not set up to run the candidate that gets the most votes they are set up to run the candidate that is going to be best for the party</p>
<p>now that is a pretty subjective task and I am not sure I agree with how we go about it, but I do agree with this;</p>
<p>the primaries are not part of the election, it’s a differant process set up by the party</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:54:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;They just look for a word to piss and moan about.  The content of the comment is not something they want to discuss.  Actually, they don’t want to discuss anything.  They just want to act like an extremely spoiled 5-year old who has been told by his/her mother that they can’t have a candy bar 10 minutes before dinner. Just send for the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They just look for a word to piss and moan about.  The content of the comment is not something they want to discuss.  Actually, they don’t want to discuss anything.  They just want to act like an extremely spoiled 5-year old who has been told by his/her mother that they can’t have a candy bar 10 minutes before dinner. Just send for the waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaambulance.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Not only has Barack Obama demonstrated no such ability to connect with voters outside his ‘natural’ constutuencies,&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nice use of code language there.  This campaign was Clinton’s to lose and she still somehow managed to squander all of her advantages going in and lose it.  She lost among regular delegates, she lost among the supers, she lost the popular vote (and spare me all the tortured arguments about how if MI and FL were counted and if the wind was in the West she got more votes than Obama)  Despite this, we are to believe that she would make some kind of miracle candidate in the Fall elections.  Which do I choose to believe?  You or my lying eyes?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Not only has Barack Obama demonstrated no such ability to connect with voters outside his ‘natural’ constutuencies,</p>
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<p>Nice use of code language there.  This campaign was Clinton’s to lose and she still somehow managed to squander all of her advantages going in and lose it.  She lost among regular delegates, she lost among the supers, she lost the popular vote (and spare me all the tortured arguments about how if MI and FL were counted and if the wind was in the West she got more votes than Obama)  Despite this, we are to believe that she would make some kind of miracle candidate in the Fall elections.  Which do I choose to believe?  You or my lying eyes?</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Jun 2008 15:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You know what really cracks me up?  Right-wingers have accused me and my team members, employed by a non-profit that received donations from Soros’ Open Society, as Hillbots.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And then I get labeled an Obama-bot by HRC supporters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When in truth I’ve always been an Edwards supporter, and a Dean supporter — if anybody with 10-watts of computing capacity ever bothered to check my comments.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what really cracks me up?  Right-wingers have accused me and my team members, employed by a non-profit that received donations from Soros’ Open Society, as Hillbots.</p>
<p>And then I get labeled an Obama-bot by HRC supporters.</p>
<p>When in truth I’ve always been an Edwards supporter, and a Dean supporter — if anybody with 10-watts of computing capacity ever bothered to check my comments.</p>
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