What…no GritTV?

Good morning!

Good morning Toby, egregious, and Marion

I had the Rules Committee meeting on all afternoon, but I’m not up on the nuance and details. However, I was glad to meet Florida State Senator Arthenia Joyner, she spoke for Clinton. She and Rep. Wexler both gave great impassioned pleas for their cases. Sometimes Wexler is too “too” for me, but yesterday he was good. I also liked listening to Sen. Levin on Michigan.

I sure liked Arthenia, would like to see her on the national stage.

Mornin’, I think.

Elliott, my experimental waffles and I are here. I’ve not been on the toobz much in the last 2 days, so I’m a bit vague on exactly who Arthenia Joyner is, other than a Rep. from FL and a Clinton supporter… What have I missed?

‘Morning, Ellie. Thanks for serving up the list of debacles we can watch this morning.

Ickes on MTP should be tasty, although match him up against Daschle isn’t what I’d consider equitable.

I was actually disappointed in Sen. Levin yesterday; while I understand his point about the need for diversity in the primary lineup, I came away from a chat with him a couple of weeks ago thinking he was taking a more measured approach to the settlement of delegate seating, not expecting at all that he would threaten to take the situation to the convention if a resolution on future primary scheduling wasn’t addressed. Talk about throwing the baby out with the bathwater…

I just thought she gave good speech, and had spunk and spirit, plus a killer smile. Won’t judge the argument she made for Clinton, but I sure liked her.

Here’s her State Rep page

well that won’t be any help. I was reacting to the passion I heard I guess. I don’t want it to go all the way to the Convention, I want to beat McCain.

morning jayt, not quite woke up this morning?

Morning all.

Mr.Cbl

I don’t want it to go all the way to the Convention, I want to beat McCain.

Thank you. The sooner we have a nominee the sooner we can start cleaning McCain’s clock. He needs to be beaten like a gong.

Is it true that “Ickes” means “irascible and irrational” in the Land of Clintonia?

I do hope that someone will feel strong enough to watch the Timmeh and Scottie show and let us know what occurs. I just can’t bring myself to watch him. It may be something about the jowls, or maybe that nose… And of course, there’s just the fact that it’s Timmeh.

morning jayt, not quite woke up this morning?

all right - that’s just plain weird - I was getting ready to throw up that same link. (you’re obviously a lady of taste and distinction).

And no, I don’t trust anything before I’ve got at least one cup of coffee in me…

I think “Ickes” means “snarling hired gun of old-school machine politics.”

(nuts, just got a database error…everything okay with the squirrels this morning?)

It’s not on here until 10:00, I may tape it, then I can pick and choose the bits I want to see. It is hard for me to watch, all he is is “gotcha gotcha, I’m gonna getcha” He doesn’t even listen to the answers to his own questions.

the squirrels do seem squirrely

What was the bit between Ickes and Wexler yesterday? Ickes wouldn’t answer Wexler about something.

to watch the Timmeh and Scottie show

I’m wondering as to the extent it’s a “Re-Union Show”.

I’ve been getting those all the time. I’m not sure if that is the warning sign that FDL is having a migraine or what..

Will Scott bring up the fact that Timmeh is Cheney’s go to guy in the media? Time for Russert to retire to the pumpkin patch.

that’s kind of a relief - I thought it was my machine.

Will Scott bring up the fact that Timmeh is Cheney’s go to guy in the media?

Same as my thought @18. I think it’s safe to say that it won’t be *Timmeh* who brings it up…

You know, I was so deep into the event yesterday, typing as fast as my fingers would let me, that some content rolled right through me unprocessed. I didn’t catch it all. I think it was this bit that was in contention:

In response to Clinton Campaign member and RBC member Harold Ickes’ question, Rep. Wexler asks the RBC to recognize that the number of delegates awarded under the Ausman petition is at least as much or more than Clinton won outright in Pennsylvania and Ohio primaries combined. Wexler also makes the point under questioning that candidates should not be penalized for complying with the DNC’s and RBC’s rules.

Wexler was pressing this point pretty firmly, that there was a concession to Clinton here that was of substantial value, and that Obama (and too late, Edwards) and their supporters and voters shouldn’t be further punished for their willingness to comply with the DNC’s rules.

Well, last week I seemed to get a “database error” message and then i could not access the site .. sometimes for hours.. for those of us with tin foil hats in our desk drawers, this is heavy paranoia territory.

I wouldn’t worry too much. Being both a tinfoil adherent and a geek, I feel comfortable with assuming this is a case of the backend (either software or hardware) not keeping up with demand. Doesn’t seem like a DNS to me.

sub-peona??? Was that you? LOL!!

ahh, thanks.

I’m not tuned in to the details of all this, but I can see why emptywheel always refers to it as a clusterf*ck. So you were there all day, too? of course, I should have known!

Was the tossing out of the Hillary supporters warranted or was that political theater?

for those of us with tin foil hats in our desk drawers,

Scarecrow told me the other morning that tin-foil is passe - he’s now into lead.

He may be on to something…

No, it’s a verb, and is conjugated thusly:

icko
ickas
ickat
ickatamus
ickatamis
ickant

It means to be a prickly putz while looking supremely arrogant and bored.

It means to be a prickly putz while looking supremely arrogant and bored.

wow - he’s good….

Oh no, I wasn’t there, watched the entire debacle up to the lunch break on C-SPAN yesterday in order to liveblog the coverage.

Being in Michigan, I had a vested interest in the outcome, particularly since I’m an elected official in the party and a participant in the state district conventions last month that selected the pledged delegates.

All Democrats are divided into three parts, one of which the Baracks’ inhabit, the Clintoni another, those who in their own language are called The Others, in ours them, the third. All these differ from each other in language, customs and laws.

Caesar would be proud o’you!! Illegitimus non carborundum!

You know what, the airways are ours

Talk to the hand.

Good Morning Elliot and Firedogs,

thank you for all those links Elliot - lotta work there - much appreciated.

firedogs can include this in any reminders y’all send out.

btw, thought ickes was an aquarium parasite - Harold, the bane of goldfish everywhere.

Harold Ickes, a committee member and Clinton adviser, said she was reserving the right to contest the decision into the summer. ~ NYTimes

When will this long national nightmare end?

Just happened to me for about 45 minutes, but other folks seemed to be able to access FDL. Server migration issues? I’m pretty much tabula rasa about how the interwebs toobz really function…

Good Morning everyone……

It is bright and sunny here in AZ… (of course - the weather channel states …. abundant sunshine) AND not one solar power generating plant in the state (yet)

although we’ll tivo Press the Meat, don’t expect McClelland to timmeh Timmeh with any gotcha’s - he represents a strain of Texas men who are unfailingly polite and would never dream of “being rude” as a guest in someone’s home.

and whither goest Lanny ?? wha ?, no public appearances till the Haldol wears off ?!?!?

Scott McClellan author “What Happened: Inside the Bush White House and Washington’s Culture of Deception.”

I am starting to wonder just what is going on…this is a corporate owned media, why are they giving Scotty’s book play?

it can’t be because of us, if everyone remembers, the official government minutes from england that documented the president was lying us into war, the minutes which came to be called “the downing street memo”

that was much more important and much more verify able and we were incensed

that was not given any play at all, yet Scott is on every single show every day of the week

so what is going on, is the corporate world throwing the president under the bus right now?

I really don’t get it

Is there a typo in the time for Book Salon/Sirota? 5 pm eastern, shouldn’t fdl time be 2, not 8?

Was the tossing out of the Hillary supporters warranted or was that political theater?

I don’t know the answer to that, but it did bring up the specter of the Wall Street Riot…

The media may be slowly realizing that there will be a VERY large broom in November that will be sweeping VERY clean and it may be dawning on them that they’ve been backing the wrong horse.

Short answer to your bus question: yes.

Also, if the Base Servile Media are talking with L’il Scottie [ooops, wait, that’s Barney…], then they can pretend the Pentagon Propaganda Generals weren’t actively pimpin’ IraqWar on their networks.

And whazzup with McCain’s private two-hour trip to Walter Reed?

When will this long national nightmare end?

When Hillary stops listening to Harold Ickes, a committee member and Clinton adviser?

And she really should, in a very pragmatic way. If Obama, who *is* The Candidate, loses to John McCain, Hillary could become the most hated member of the Democratic Party, or in the country at large, EVAH.

Actually I thought the RBC chairs were VERY patient and should of threatened to clear the spectators if they continued to disrupt the meeting. I

t was only a handful from what I understand and there was no reasoning with them on the order of business or just plain “what your Momma taught ya when in public”

So glad everyone’s back. I was afraid I was going to have to tap dance!

sad but true

Short answer to your bus question: yes.

but this does not make sense, he would be impeached if they were throwing him under the bus

in addition, this bus throwing under stuff, it guarantees obama wins the election

it is not making sense

btw, thought ickes was an aquarium parasite - Harold, the bane of goldfish everywhere.

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TAGG posted this in another thread but surely applicable here:

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Got it, thanks Prairie

yes, the torch has passed… there may still be some residue to deal with, but functionally the Clinton Era is over.

and perris @ 49:
Unfortunately throwing under the bus and impeachment are not an “if, then”–unless there is a groundswell of demand for a truth and accountability commission or impeachment process after the election.

Linky doesn’t work for me . . . ???

What I think is happening is that BushCo’s power to control the media is waining and that their ability to strong arm what is presented to the public is not being strictly controlled anymore…… that any NSA info on the press doesn’t hold the blackmail power or that ability to blackmail them to “behave” so that they have access isn’t a big deal either…. in 9 months this crew will be out of the WH ….. and everyone knows it too..

Linky busted…

I see why. After the www there is a - in the link. SHould be a .

they are making sure scotty gets as much air time as possible

something big is being worked behind closed doors but I just can’t figure it out, corporate america cannot possibly want obama as president yet they are providing the inusrance

When will this long national nightmare end?

our nightmare will wake up when the whole of the citizenry awakes.

Oh, you were talking about the primary… :)
answer to your question, Wednesday. You read it here first.

Here’s doctored link

I think the question is whether they were merely voicing their displeasure, or if they were disrupting proceedings. Since I wasn’t there, I can’s say; if they were acting like Harriet Christian did on camera, there may have been a reasonable need to eject people. The RBC members have been barraged for some time with opinions on the subject of MI and FL seating plans; to be verbally abused to excess while trying to deliberate fairly and openly is uncalled for.

And as resident of one of the two states, let me point out that the folks I’ve seen on video being belligerent aren’t from MI or FL.

oops! sorry
try this
http://www.tagg-theangrygayguy…..m-cdc.html

Oh, crap, I give up. Doctored link doesn’t work either. (sigh)

and perris @ 49:
Unfortunately throwing under the bus and impeachment are not an “if, then”–unless there is a groundswell of demand for a truth and accountability commission or impeachment process after the election.

actually, if this is indeed a corporate media and if they are indeed insuring scott gets heard, then they are the ones setting the stage for an impeachment

if an impeachment happens we will know it was pre arranged behind closed doors, not with the president but against the president

this is looking very very strange to me, this book is hardly as important as numerous other books and quite a few revelations

very very strange

Thanks for putting together this excellent lineup of what’s to choose from this day, Elliott. Nobody can argue anymore that they don’t know what’s going on with all these resources.

And there’s a karma to seeing MTP bumped down from the front page *g* — altho I’ll prolly choose that over the headache-making of McAuliffe.

Hey, Jason Linkins over at HuffPo does a terrific wrapup on many of the gasbag shows–good for lotsa laughs.

THE first thing is that Obama must NOT mention ANY plans of busting up corporate media strangle hold….. Thom Hartman’s theory is that Howard Dean was the media darling until he stated that before the Iowa primary and then it turned on him…..

It should be our job to say it and wait until Obama takes off AND then push it like crazy….. have our new AG John Edwards do some trust busting … heehee…

Great link! Pups, please read. National epidemic alert!!

see my #61, we have the best techsters in the neighborhood.

oh thanks, will check him out tonight.

I think I saw one borderline hysterical woman on videoclip this morning mention she was from MO.

‘Struth that every state party has its gadflies. Don’t get me started on the ex-stripper in ND. Oh, well, since you asked…at least the Rethugs have her. But Bush put her on the US Civil Rights Commission as the ND representative. Tells me a whole lot about ol’ Gee-Dubya.

Two reasons:

1) The money people have figured out since the Bear Stearns crash exactly how bad off we are. (Want a refresher? Look closely at the chart Ian Welsh posted last week with his piece here at FDL on food and oil prices — the Wall Street folks know this, and they know the root causes.) We are literally on the verge of another Great Depression, and only sheer dint of political will can save our asses.

2) Internecine warfare between the money people, specifically between the GE/NBC folks and the Murdoch/Fox folks. The GE folks are very much part of the money people above, and have likely come to the realization that change is good and will benefit them. Murdoch, on the other hand, has built his empire on a particular brand of hatemongering and it won’t thrive under change. So GE/NBC took the lead last week with promoting the Scotty Show, while Murdoch/Fox could only rage against the dying of the light.

Well said….

the issue is that this was a official meeting of an organization that was allowed open to the public so that it would be open and transparent but anyone who has attempted to Chair a meeting and maintain order knows…… especially with Democrats…..

Personally there should of been a warning to those hecklers ….. if you disrupt the proceedings of this meeting then security will have to escort you out of the hall.

that was not given any play at all, yet Scott is on every single show every day of the week

ah perris - you apparently have never seen Mean Girls. - Topical Storm Scotty has blown through Beltway Senior High and in it’s wake revealed not just their failure to exercise their duty as mandated by the Founders - but this is the whole kewl kidz dynamic writ large - these petty klowns love, love, love their gossip doncha know . . .and Scott left his Burnbook at the lunchtable and . . .

That one doesn’t work for me either…???

I think that there were warnings from at least one of the co-chairs about disruption.

And although I wasn’t there, I’ll bet people were warned by security folks about disruption. You’ll likely hear from protesters that they didn’t hear any such warning, but I’ve been at enough events like this that I’m pretty certain it’s clear to people that being an asshole will have consequences.

I’m going to bring up another sensitive issue here that hasn’t been discussed anywhere else that I can see. I know that in Grand Rapids at the Obama event where Edwards endorsed, that there were so-called pro-Clinton protesters who in fact were Republican operatives. (Have seen a photo of one known operative in the thick of it.) Has anyone asked whether this was a possible factor — that folks may have been riled up by opposition?

707!

Marion, Elliott and the techs succeeded where barbara failed (sigh). It’s a very important read!

When will this long national nightmare end?

it will end in 2012, I’m afraid.

Go around to various newspaper sites, and read the comments section about what happened yesterday. Read what Democrats who support Clinton are saying.

Yesterday, the corrupt manoevering of the Obama faction on the Rules committee guarnateed that millions of Democrats will not vote for Obama. (Some, but not all, will vote for McCain.)

When Bonier showed up and asked for FULL voting power for the ENTIRE Michigan delegation (if it was split 50-50) after Wexler said that Obama wanted HALF voting power for the people of Florida, Obama’s utter contempt for voters was made manifest.

But the icing on the cake was the complete lack of respect shown to Hillary Clinton — actually stealing delegates from her in order to placate Obama in complete violation of the rules and Charter of the party — was the icing on the cake.

I guess what really kills me is that Obama supporters think that he will bring a new kind of politics to Washington to get things done — the politics of ‘unity’ and ‘hope’ — yet he has been the most divisive candidate that I’ve seen since I started voting 35 years ago.

Shorter Icky (and this is a direct quote from MTP a few moments ago):

“Circumstances change.”

I think Harold has a great future as a Hollywood studio exec.

p.luk, I’ve already seen you frequenting newspapers around the country leaving comments.

wow - that is one big-ass fire at Universal Studios in Los Angeles.

I completely agree that it could be Repug operatives….. since Americablog reported that they received an email about the protest from HRC support group stating that 10K were going to show up with both McCain & Huckabee supporters to fill out the crowd…..

The Repug machine have 15 tons of research on HRC but Obama scares the pooh out of them…… they try to dig stuff up and come up with things that everyone knows is silly……

p. luk try reading this Legal Analysis: Why Ickes is Wrong & Should Resign

in order for ANY delegates to be ‘stolen’, those delegates must have been approved in the first place.

According to the RBC ruling in effect during the period of the 2008 primary elections in MI & FL, no allocation of delegates whatsoever could be sanctioned.

Therefore, the only time that any delegate in either state could possibly be recognized as valid was AFTER yesterday’s acceptance of a majority vote by the RBC to amend its sanctions against MI & FL.

Just checked Newsmeat for donations that meet the $200 threshold for reporting to FEC — neither Harriet Christian or Deborah Foster show up as donors in the state of New York.

Both had the resources to travel to Washington DC, though.

I’m going to hold open the notion that the Republican Party had a vested interest in making things nasty yesterday. More research and facts could close this as an option, but after seeing this in play in Michigan, it can’t yet be ruled out.

Interesting, saw some of Sandy Weil with his good buddy Charlie Rose the other night, sure got the impression (although it was unsaid) that the $M$o$n$e$y$bags-on-Wall-Street’s first priority was to protect their own big fat mostly white ass bottomline. I surely don’t know enough about high finance or even our current high-risk finance; but the vibe I got was there are a lot of individual people who stood to lose everything and they wouldn’t/couldn’t let that happen.

I fully admit I am biased against the $M$o$n$e$y$bags on Wall Street, but I have bad vibe about our economy, depressioned bad vibe.

The RBC members have been barraged for some time with opinions on the subject of MI and FL seating plans; to be verbally abused to excess while trying to deliberate fairly and openly is uncalled for.

except, of course, that didn’t happen (in violation of the charter, btw). The reason that this didn’t go on until midnight was because the fix was in — they made the deal at lunch, and that was that — ten minutes to discuss each resolution, and then a complete trashing of the rules of the Democratic Party to give Obama maximum feasible political advantage.

Seriously — there was no effort to deliberate fairly — no rationale was offered for either resolution that passed, no one got a chance to demand to know under what provision of the rules could that committee take delegates WON by one candidate and give them to another candidate (the Credentials committee could do that, but if you bother to read the rules — which of course no one on this site has apparently done — stealing the Clinton delegates was COMPLETELY corrupt…)

This was Chicago politics — make a backroom deal that ignores every principle of good governance and fair play, and everybody who is on board gets a cut of the profits.

Rayne — I guess now Obama supporters have a problem with free speech?

Seriously — DO NOT complain about Bush violating or ignoring laws after what YOUR candidate engineered yesterday. Because YOU are now supporting Bush III.

you’re serious aren’t you!?!
fire at Universal Studios

More than 100 Los Angeles-area firefighters are battling a large fire on a back lot at Universal Studios, fire authorities said.

There were also reports of an explosion in the Southern California amusement park, said Los Angeles County Fire Capt. Frank Reynoso.

The three-alarm blaze began about 4:45 a.m. PT (7:45 a.m. ET) Sunday and reportedly damaged two “prop” buildings, including a chapel, and a popular ride called the “Cyclone,” Reynoso said.

“It will be awhile before we have it under control,” he said.

Both had the resources to travel to Washington DC, though.

ON A BUS. HOW DARE YOU ACCUSE SOMEONE OF BEING A REPUBLICAN PLANT BECAUSE THEY CAN”T AFFORD TO GIVE $200 TO CLINTON?

this is despicable. utterly and absolutely despicable.

Besides watching the talking head shows….. What is everyone doing today?

Stop. Really. If you are from FL, fine, talk about your state’s politics.

But you know nothing about Michigan’s politics, or how much debate had already been conducted in state.

Emptywheel told you that yesterday at least twice, too, since you’ve apparently forgotten; if you don’t know what you’re talking about, just stop with the accusations.

Mr. lukusiak: What is it that you want now? Do you want the Dem. candidate to lose to McCain so your candidate can run again in 2012? What is your “end game?” I’m just curious.

Good Morning. Today I ventured to the Fox Tv channel and discovered that the round table decided that Scotty was just upset because he was fired. Nobody called Scotty a liar though.

couldn’t resist

Hey cool, I’m away for 2 days an the conversation hasn’t changed. luku+luna?

Sometimes you just can’t hold a reasonable discussion with some commenters. FYI most Floridians voted knowing that their vote would not count for President but that their vote for the property tax issue would. Is Meet The Press worth watching today?