Scott McClellan, meet Ron Ziegler. Or better yet: Bush’s White House press corps, meet Nixon’s White House press corps.
Those of us alive and aware then remember Ron Ziegler well. Richard Nixon’s press secretary, a onetime Disney World guide recruited out of nowhere at age 29 to demonstrate Nixon’s contempt for the press, was the prototype for the modern White House press secretary: a prevaricator, evader, misleader, disinformer, and propagandist of the first order.
Rick Perlstein, in his superb new book Nixonland, describes Ziegler precisely, dancing around and stonewalling questions on Watergate, as well as a multitude of other matters, from the killing of student protesters at Kent State to the American bombing of civilian targets in Vietnam. He sums it up on p. 728;
Ziegler was a new kind of flack — a career flack, not a former reporter vaguely ashamed of quitting reporting. Indeed, he held reporters in contempt. He pressed his advantages.
It kind of makes you wonder, in a way, at all the fuss over Scott McClellan this week. Because McClellan, for the most part, has been cut from the same cloth as a multitude of other White Press secretaries — particularly the Republican variety — since Ziegler (including Scotty’s immediate predecessor, Ari Fleischer). He was never a working journalist and came up through the ranks of party politics. When he got up and spoke for Bush, it was obvious that he lied. A lot.
In many ways, of course, knowing without any reservation that this White House lies like it breathes — reflexively, constantly, purposefully, even gleefully — is useful public knowledge. But you have to shake your head a little at the members of the Beltway pundit class who this week seemed most taken aback by the revelations of White House mendacity.
After all, it was plain to everyone that when he was Bush’s press secretary, Scott McClellan was doing what press secretaries since Ziegler too often have done. He not only misled the press corps — and by extension, the public — on such matters as those he admits in his otherwise defensive book (What Happened, as the excerpts available make clear, is still a very friendly book to Bush): the propaganda campaign advancing the war in Iraq, most notably, as well as those he doesn’t deny, such as the leak of Valerie Plame’s CIA identity.
He also evaded, misled, and prevaricated about a lot of other matters which seem to still escape the notice of much of the now-aghast press — from wiretapping American citizens to the Katrina debacle to Bush’s military records. And there’s still no one talking much about that.
Indeed, whenever any journalists did happen to stand up and do their jobs by demanding truthful answers about these things — most notably, perhaps, Helen Thomas — they were given the back-row treatment, while phonies posing as journalists like Jeff Gannon got scooted up to the front and given the chance to ask all kinds of tough questions.
And the whole time, you heard hardly squeak from the rest of the White House press corps. As Glenn Greenwald observes, that’s some liberal media, ain’t it?
All this stands in stark contrast to how the press corps responded to Ron Ziegler. While many were as compliant as our modern-day Gannons, many were not. Perlstein recalls [p. 729] how one of the lions of journalism at the time — the legendary Clark Mollenhoff — responded to Ziegler’s prevarications:
One of the most distinguished press veterans, Clark Mollenhoff of the Des Moines Register, a bluff Midwesterner who had given up a promising football career to be a journalist, who had out of a deep-dyed sense of patriotic duty taken a job in 1969 as the Nixon White House ombudsman and left within a year in disgust, whom Jimmy Hoffa spat on as he was led off to prison, wasn’t about to let MacGregor get away with it. Earlier, Mollenhoff had demanded of Ziegler where he thought the money for the Watergate burglary had come from. Perhaps intimidated by the man who once, when President Eisenhower told him to sit down at a press conference, defiantly kept standing, Ziegler forgot to stonewall: "Why I don’t think there was any question but that the money came from the committee." Mollenhoff put that on the front page of the Register October 6. Ziegler promptly got his wits about hit and released a statement accusing a towering figure in the pressroom of "misinterpretation."
The Bush press corps, in contrast, simply rolled over when Helen Thomas and a handful of others have made any similar attempts at holding the White House’s feet to the fire this decade.
Now, perhaps they’ve all just come to take it for granted that the White House is going to lie, obfuscate, and mislead whenever the press secretary opens his mouth, so what’s the point of making a big deal about it now?
But as the historical example of Ron Ziegler reminds us, the very act of the press corps demanding accountability of the White House is the essence of its basic function in our democracy. Because even when they lie and stonewall in the face of those demands, that becomes plain for the public to see.
That has been sadly, horribly, indeed tragically lacking in the Bush years. And that’s not Scott McClellan’s fault. It’s the press’s.
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Good Morning David …..Happy Sunday to you
This is really all that needs to be said.
Great post, BTW
Thanks David. I’m just watching Snottie McMuffin lie to Pumpkinhead, who lying even worse, on Press the Meat.
IMHO, Scott is now a tool of Republicans (James Baker 3?….)who are trying to distance themselves from Bush/Cheney and Iraq.
Thanks, katymine. I’m up a bit early for the weekend.
And Pig Missle is no exception. She really grates on the nerve.
Yeah, in a lot of regards this about Republicans distancing themselves from that fat stinking albatross hanging round their necks.
With a very few notable exceptions like Helen Thomas, the corporate media rolled over in exchange for access.
However, corporate media and their corporate owners were solidly in bed with the administration. GE bought NBC at Rove’s suggestion to Jack Welch, as just one shining example of their entwined nature.
The Bush years deferred the death of the newspaper, for this reason; if the corporations hadn’t been in bed with the Bushies, if the media had actually done its job as the fourth estate, competing for real news, the White House would have cut them off and we’d have had no reporting (or less news than we got our of the likes of Scotty McC). And newspapers would have been pushed to change their business model sooner, or die.
Now we can expect the generational shift of news to different sources to accelerate; the existence of newspapers looks much more iffy than it has over the last 8 years. We can also expect an entirely different kind of relationship between the White House and the media if Obama wins the POTUS, if his campaign is any proof. They are very much in control of their message — Edwards’ endorsement an example, for one, since noone on the ground in Michigan knew with any certainty until 90 minutes before the actual endorsement — and they are very internet savvy.
Which makes Scotty’s book a kind of eulogy and epitaph for the press secretaries of the last 30 years. Hasta pasta.
I wonder who will be Obama’s press secretary? That oughta be fun for the stenographers.
Good Morning David
so is this the “operative” post, and yesterday’s was “inoperative” ?
Huma Abedin
Good morning, David!
I find the reporters’ defensive reaction to the book to be the most interesting thing about it. As Dave mentions, the book is on the whole rather friendly to Bush, but tags the press as “complicit enablers” of Bush’s bad decisions.
Excellent points, Rayne. And the White House masterfully manipulated it.
I understand the human dynamic involved too. Look, people work hard to build their careers, and when they get to a place like the NBC newsroom or the WaPo, and especially given the prestigious White House assignment, they don’t want to jeopardize that. It’s especially difficult in an environment in which voicing outright skepticism of Republican bullshit gets you tagged a “liberal.” (This incidentally is part of how I became a self-identifying liberal.) And then you get relegated to the back row, at which point your only option is to resign and find a job where your integrity can remain intact.
And so that’s how I became a stay-at-home dad instead of staying at MSNBC.
Dave, Great article.
Left field question – Scotty was never a “journalist”, so he should not expect the First Amendment protections a real journalist receives. Can he be prosecuted for lying to the public?
Harold looks hungover.
eh?
Good fucking morning, all!
Oops, sorry: wrong thread!
Harold’s synapses aren’t firing so good.
No, it’s not a crime for lying to the public.
Good Morning David!
Boy do you start us out with a hearty brunch, thanks.
Rayne, I fully expect the Roger-Ailes-formed FOX/NBC press corps to be just as submissive to the RNC as they are now. But with the growing rise of new media, their hold over the public mind is weakening, though they still get the lion’s share of America’s eyeballs.
Timmeh has to defend his ‘We now know who the nominee is’ comment.
This is sweeter than a homemade cinnamon roll with cream cheese icing!
Criminal Republicans, complacent Democrats, and corrupt media, this is the recipe that has led to ongoing series of disasters we are living through.
I wanted us to have a post that would fit in with the talking heads’ conversation this morning.
I’ll say it again. If Obama wins the Presidency – Stephen Colbert for Press Secretary!
Seriously…
Once again, maybe I’m the oddball but I have a question: Where the fsck are the EDITORS?!?
I’ve known many news editors as part of my job. The very IDEA that one of their reporters was a lapdog would be enough for a closed door meeting. Here we’ve got all these reporters who were avoiding the obvious questions and accepting obvious lies and not a peep from their editors.
Boxturtle (I’m thinking we need to rebuild the news media from the ground up.)
If memory serves me correctly (and I believe it does in this instance), Dan Rather built a large part of his career on calling out Ron Ziegler’s lies. It would have been nice to see some current young reporters show the same tenacity and resolve as Ol’ Dan showed.
Hell, even Sam Donaldson used to call bullshit on the WH liars.
Frank Rich writes about “McCain’s McClellan Nightmare” at NYTimes today.
I think that was part of the reason for the gargantuan ratfucking that “Rathergate” was. He was made an example of.
LOL. Bill Keller at the Times, Leonard Downie at the Post, ’nuff said.
The editors are the corporate sponsors, or so I have come to believe. Obeisance to the bottom line. Would that there were a Hippocratic oath for journalists/editors that is rooted in, “First do no harm!”
it’s a Ziegler quote
Yep. The Rs are still in a snit over Nixon’s impeachment.
The old “liberal conspiracy.”
Morning Dave:
Scotty has mentioned “the permanent campaign”. The Repug plan has been obvious in some ways – ie – never vote for a Democratic Bill, no matter how great it is. Can a good investigative reporter uncover a written manual for the permanent campaign?
Karen
Thanks David. I don’t wish bad things on anyone (well I try not to), but does the WaPu still employ Jim “Church Lady” Brady?
The link goes to an important moment (imho) in FDL’s history. Brady (I’m sure under orders from above) tried to sandbag Jane in an ambush entitled “interactive ethics panel.”
Tim “The Phone Never Rang” Russert seems puzzled that McLellan never spoke up.
What a tool.
-G
Mornin’, David.
Great post. I’m old enough to remember Ziegler and all the crap he spewed from behind that podium.
As a side note, got my $600 “economic stimulus” check yesterday. I’m going to use it to stimulate my vet’s revenue by paying off a large portion of my vet bill.
Hey, Shrub!! Yeah, you, shit-for-brains. I can haz more stimuluz?
My experience in the 1990s was that editors were much more concerned that you might be tagged a “liberal” than a “conservative.” The latter even became an advantage career-wise because it helped the paper stave off accusations of being “liberal media.” And editors themselves were chosen along similar lines. So by this decade, the only efforts to stop reporters from being accused of lapdogism were from that side of the political aisle.
Interesting.
Doh! Need to go get my coffee.
Really like that one.
It sounds they played “follow the
adverstisersmoney right off the cliff.”Morning, all! I’m in a pretty strict “No Russert” zone, so I don’t even know when MTP is on. Has Scotty been on yet?
It’s probably in Cheney’s safe. Everyone else gets it being read to them: no paper trail. [I wish this was snark.]
Strobel and Landay, American patriots.
-G
I wonder if Ickes is still on set or if he stormed off already? HA!
It’s the Media Borg, BT. As more and more TradMed outlets get consolidated into fewer hands, those hands are largely corporate — which means that they really like the Republican stances on corporate tax cuts and on gutting regulations covering the media. Of course, the richer conservatives have also for decades now been making a concerted push to buy up or buy off (or scare off) not just media outlets, but any organization involved with defining objective reality: Colleges, think tanks, researchers of any sort.
Thanks, I had forgotten all about that. Yeah, Jane would ask him a direct question — the same question repeatedly — and he simply would ignore it. Schmuck. I’m sure he still works there.
If The Phone Doesn’t Ring, It’s Me
You will assimilate. Resistance is futile.
It was his assertion that HRC WILL be the Veep ….. not considering it or wants it but WILL BE IT…. click… rather watch CNN…
Russert: “Some people say that because you aided the propaganda campaign, you should donate some proceeds to the US troops.
Move-on had been upgraded to ‘Some people’.
-G
The first 4 years of bu$hCo ARE the “permanent campaign” record. They did nothing else! Everything was to enable 2004. They certainly didn’t have the time (or mad skillz) to govern.
Yup. In fact, Joe Lieberman owes his Senate seat to conservative Republican rage against those who dared impeach Nixon. (That, and a tightly-related drive by the cons to purge the party of social liberals like Nelson Rockefeller and Lowell Weicker.)
That makes sense, sadly.
There is hope. As more folks get their news from the net, the corporate media will die a slow death. Did you notice that CBS was planning on running Ultimate Fights on a Saturday primetime? How times have changed, you used to only be able to get that stuff on the high numbered UHF channels.
Boxturtle (We’re the reporters now)
Wishful thinking or delusional. Either one, not.gonna.happen.
TAGG posted this on an earlier thread,
I think you’ll appreciate it:
http://www.tagg-theangrygayguy…..m-cdc.html
There is a Code of Ethics of the Society of Professional Journalists. One of the maxims is that journalists should:
http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp
I’m watching Reliable Sources right now.
Howard Kurtz is so full of it. He actually
included Glen Beck in the A-list of pundits.
Gag me with a spoon.
Speaking of Rather, how is his lawsuit coming along? I would expect it to blow the lid off the whole business.
David,
I appreciate your journey and your sacrifice. People often ask, why doesn’t anyone stand up to the powers that be? There are a lot of folks who have stood on principle and seen their careers damaged and destroyed.
I personally know a whistleblower for one of the items on Hugh’s List, his career was ruined after he spoke up.
Pathetic.
-G
Thanks for that, Ellie! Priceless!
It wasn’t much of a sacrifice. My years as a stay-at-home dad were the most rewarding of my life, actually. And look where I am now. I couldn’t ask for a better outcome.
MSNBC’s loss is our gain!
Great post, David! Too bad that there are no apparent counterparts that liken to Sam Ervin or Lowell Weicker or Archibald Cox or Leon Jaworski or Elliot Richardson or William Ruckelshaus in our world today. I really miss people with strong spines such as those.
Timmeh & Scottie= 2 mouthpieces for the adminisrtation
Oh yeah — Howard Kurtz, the guy who fretted that Josh Marshall might sound like a “knee jerk Clinton defender” and then sort of nodded and um-hmmed when, on the same show, a right-wing guest opined that “The Golden Rule is that all rumors about the Clintons are true”.
He lost any and all credibility with me permanently that day.
she is quite ADORE…able,lucky girl to have a daddy like you…your A-1
at $20,000,000.00,little Russ is plugged into Cheneys pacemaker
I watched Press the Meat this morning (an unusual event for me) and watched Punkin’haid get his indignity on about li’l Scotty. Pretty funny, considering Timmeh is one of the largest consumers of blast-faxes evah from KKKarl & Co.
The one question no one has asked Scotty is why the black-out on the pictures of funerals and such. Was that a decision by the Decider or the Hax-in-the-House? Be interesting to know that… or maybe it’s in the book, which I have not read yet.
Is anyone working on getting Scotty here for a Book Salon?
Timmeh the Toady
thats 20,000,000.00 US DOLLARS per year,true they aint worth what they were a few years ago…sigh
Pig Missile: Easy on the eyes; tough on the nerves and conscience.
ROVE and J. Welch,or maybe all the OLIGARCHS were very wise to make the teebee celebrity PUNDITZ be in the same tax bracket as themselves,thouh it actually crumbs by their standards that they are payed by their BILLIONAIRE BOSSES
who is pig missle?
Back in the early days of FDL, Teddy San Fran and some others used to post questions to Kurtz in his WaPu media chats. It was the only way we could think to get traction on scoops that Jane, Christy, and emptywheel were routinely breaking. Very rarely some stuff got through.
IIRC, Kurtz was the WaPu’s last attempt to salvage their Xerox Ben Domenech hire, before they
fired himconvinced him to resign.Are your referring to the glorified weather girl?
Thanks.
he is WARREN Buffets nephew
Dana Perino
Dana “Pig Missile” Perino — Doesn’t Want To Be The Next Scott McClellan
oh Little Russ looks like he needs a BIG truss….eating to many cocktail weanies
Dana Perino. (Emptywheel named her)
thanks who coined that image?
Yup. The woman who was “shocked!” that the Cuban Missile Crisis was about Missiles and was a Crisis!
Little Russ also looks like Irish troll/imp(devil like)
HAHAHAHAH! That would be fucking hilarious!
aha …i slow this am
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Citizen David Neiwert and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Great post, thanx Brother David, I think it appropriate that we reflect back on our history, especially the history of 1963-1974 in light of what happened yesterday in front of the national television cameras at the DNC Rules Committee meeting.
Way back in 1969, jest after I got out of the military, I was havin’ a very “high” level philosophical conversation with a fellow college student. We were sittin cross legged on the floor of a tiny little shack on the edge of town, a cluster of alienated middle class white kids, male and female, doin’ what we could afford and tryin’ ta make some connection with whatever great cosmic force was rainin’ bullshit on our lives. “Allman music” was playin in the background and one of the smartest people I ever met was holdin’ forth about the meanin’ of the ‘68 Democratic Convention and what it had to tell us about the prison of life in modern America. His thesis was that the great corporate computer that controlled life on this planet was the earth’s immune system and it measured and analyzed threats to corporate homeostasis, threats like the anti war movement and the protests at the ‘68 convention. This great corporate immune system, after thorough analysis of the threat would guide the response of the established order, destroy the threat and leave behind a system that was even stronger than the one that preceded it by exactly the power of the force that had threatened it.
“Far out” you might say (or not) but in all the 39 years since, I have yet to hear a theory of modern American politics that better describes the reality of the struggle for life in this country. Watchin’ the debacle yesterday, and watchin’ that corporatist goblin Harold Ickes orchestrate a Reichstag fire in the committee meeting, I am convinced that my old friend had it right. In a perverse and horrifyin’ way, yesterday’s choreographed protest was a playin out of 1968 Chicago upside down. It was a threat by the forces of corporate darkness that the candidate of the oligarchy, Mrs. Hillary Rodham Clinton, would turn the convention in Denver into a reverse of the ‘68 convention and make it a political 9/11 to rally a terrified and wounded population behind the paternalistic figurhead of corporate power.
The future of our democracy boils down to whether or not those folks who have followed Mrs. M*Clinton to the edge of the cliff will wake up before she orders ‘em into the sea. There can be no compromisin’ with fascism anymore.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THIS FIGHT IS GOIN’ ALL THE WAY TO DENVER!!!
And didn’t know about the Bay of Pigs.
This comment from Sara is outstanding. It’s a history lesson on the Ickes/Roosevelt relationship. Really educational.
Empty Wheel is teh the snarkYist BEST
Hey, Norske: You got a blog? If not, you really fucking should!
Born snarkologist!
Good One
NO ONE nails it right TO THE BOARD like Norske.
and the Prof is right. you SHOULD have a blog, Norske!
The world needs that.
g’mornin’ other pups!
That appears to be not quite true although they do play to it it seems.
merci
Much like her predecessors in the 1600 Crew, she don’t know much about anything unless it comes straight from David Addington, Darth Dick, Josh Bolton or Condi. I doubt Preznit Bunnypants does much more than hug her and pat her head at photo ops.
thanks for the correction,another urban legend bites the dust..”g”
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Citizens PhysioProf and siri:
Thank you both for the kind words, but FDL is the blog of the people, we don’t need another wannabe out there…let’s use this great forum to bring ourselves together and reach out to those who are bein’ led in darkness against themselves and our future as free people.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, YES WE CAN!!!
Suicide Blonde.
Dyed by her own hand.
Paul Craig Roberts hits the Bush Brownshirts right between the eyes.
Also, CNN and the rest have given more air time to a small group of pro-Sen. Clinton protesters than they gave to anti-war protesters in the run up to the war.
Also, did anyone else notice that the recent Israeli spy scandal has dissappeared from the media?
-G
Thanks, I missed it.
Sara is a Renaissance woman. The breadth and depth of her knowledge is beyond amazing.
dont forget Scootie who is on home assignment
Yo, Norske
Well said.
That was an interesting comment. I’m pretty sure I heard Chris Matthews say something yesterday about being shocked to find out that Ickies’ father was in the Roosevelt Adminsistration. Maybe I misunderstood him, because he usually claims to be a history buff.
An earlier series of what was considered tell-all autobiographies was The Secret Diary of Harold L.Ickies,published int three volumes. He was always considered to be a curmudgeon and gives his own day to day comments on a lot of famous figures.
Pig Missile Perino.
-G
well said so many hard feelings out there,i really didnt imagine it would pan out that,way but the Clintons have really added jet fuel to the fire imo
Off topic, but did Harold Ickes (on CNN) sonud like a whiny 10-year-old or what?
There is only one pig missile.
And it ain’t Dana Perino.
ROTFLMAO!!!
You are right.
In those times it was the outsiders that wanted to burn the place down.
Now it is the establishment, witness the exhortations of Limbaugh and Dead Intern Joey Scabs cheering on the riots and mayhem.
Just like Pegleg Noonan adopting the mantra of the mobsters and gangsters saying that the guiding philosophy of the right should be “no snitching”.
I’m reminded of the Rolling Stones:
“Where every cop is a criminal and all the sinners saints”
-G
White House Spokesmodel Dana Peroxide.
He went straight back to his hotel room and hit the sack.
Oops. linky no take.
He went straight back to his hotel room and hit the sack.
I noticed during the meeting that he kept having to stifle his outrage in order to yawn. It took a little off of the “give me liberty or give me death” stuff at the end.
Do you have any idea how to do that Norske? Did you see those Clinton supporters yesterday? They are all but completely hysterical. And you said it best…”are bein’ led in darkness against themselves and our future as free people.” How to show them that once she ever got into office they wouldn’t even be a side thought. It’d be business as usual, she is NOT the champion of those people in any way, it’s all about her, and she has them convinced she’s the underdog fighting FOR THEM. It’s a travesty.
HOW do we reach out to that? I’d really like to know.
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Citizen Deinert and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
At the risk of keepin’ a metaphore alive well beyond it’s truthful and useful lifespan, I would like to direct those FDLers who are learnin’ of Horld Ickes and his father’s relationship to FDR for the first time to the thought that what we are seein’ here is a rapid rewindin’ or unwindin’of our political history, turnin’ the forces of the people against themselves to make the walls of our corporate prison stronger.
Look at Mr. and Mrs. M*Clinton and their presence as representaives of the yang and the ying (yingyangs both, don’tcha know). Mrs. M*Clinton as the Goldwater Girl and Mr. Bill as the anti-war protester jest tryin ta keep himself alive. Then look at James Roosevelt and Harold Ickes, gandsons of the greatest force for the common good in modern American history bein’ pitted against each other in a political kabuki dance that is, to this old left Democrat, horrifyin’ ta watch.
Let’s remember to reach out not to Mrs. M*Clinton but to those she has bamboozled into commiting political suicide for the good of the oligarchy. Let’s reach out to them not on bended knee but standin straight up and reachin down into the gutter into which Mrs. M*Clinton has led them.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE CAN DO THIS…ON TO DENVER!!!
I’m out of the loop on ‘pig missle’saw it at Marcy’s place the other day but can’t find out how Dana picked up that handle.Any help?
More O/T… why don’t the fucking superdelegates just come out and end this? I watched Donna Brazile decline to “say” but do everything but write Obama’s name on a card and hand it to Stephalumpamus.
Jane’s upstairs.
She didn’t know the Cuban Missile Crisis was about missiles and was a crisis, and didn’t know about the Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba.
Hence, Pig Missile.
She thought that the Cuban Missile Crisis and the Bay Of Pigs referred to the same event; hence ‘Pig Missile’
Thanks
Speak to them directly and lovingly, Sister siri, and remember that we can do this if we talk to each other and not to the bosses…YES WE CAN!!!
You cancel them out with million of new voters who are more amenable to common sense. Some people are inescapably in the thrall of their personal mini-series martyrdom dramas. I wouldn’t waste a lot of time on ‘em. The goal is to have a successful presidency that will stand as its own refutation of their narrow-minded silliness.
I have heard that they are waiting for all of the primaries to be done, and then they will all weigh in. The reason I have heard adduced for this is that this will then give them the cover to simply say: “This is not about my opinion. It is about obeying the will of the voters.”
(I’m not trying to be vague about “I have heard”. I just can’t fucking remember where I heard it.)
That is my take. They’re waiting until such time that the prospect of Clintonista blowback is moot.
BINGO Brother BobbyG…now on to DENVER!!! YES WE CAN!!!
It’s been “out there” for weeks…patience Grasshopper!
I want to add to this thread the same thing I offered downstairs;
why is corporate media giving scotty this much play?
there are far more important books that expose far more depravity with far better documentation
there are the “downing street minutes” which are official government documents from england that broadcast to the world the president lied us into war, there is richard clark’s book and the exposes are legion
yet scotty gets to go on every show, every day
what is going on, why is he given this play now?
yeah. you’re right Norske, thank you! and thanks to BobbyG too. I’ll be giving that a try to be sure.
*sigh*
God help us all to reach them!
Fuzz up all the issues because they’re guilty of running a psy-op on the American public
because he was in the inner circle, had open access to the chimpmeister. no one else who’s written books had that kind of access. i think that’s why the focus on snotty’s rag now.
Len Downie of the WaPo was a “tool of the Establishment” back in the 60’s when he was editor of the student newspaper @ Ohio State and supported the Administration’s “speakers’ rule,” via which the Admin. could veto who could speak on campus.
NB: OSU was the only Big Ten school to have such a rule.
Those are complex issues that the corporate media chose to ignore in favour of the administration. Now that Shrub and company are on the way out the cm is beginning to curry a little favour with the incoming government. Scotty’s book gives them the perfect opportunity. The book deals with, I have to assume, the WH interactions with the public, via the cm. That, all things considered, is a pretty softball issue. They don’t have to talk about the war, the economy or the myriad other woes of our country. They can talk to Scotty about the inner workings of the WH. I would imagine after Jan 09 we’ll begin to see little exposes (put accent grave over last e, please) about all the crap we’ve been screaming about for 7 years. That’s an off the top of my head take on it, fwiw.
Perino was on the NPR news quiz show Wait, Wait, Don’t Tell Me when she made the Cuban Missile Crisis comment. You can find it here about 1 minute 3 seconds in:
http://www.npr.org/templates/p…..d=17039461
or here
http://www.crooksandliars.com/…..fPigs.mp3/
if the fuck you guy votes along with his cohorts of both sexes, mcsame is beyond toast.
OOPs Know one DUGG this Fine Post by David! So get out your shovels and start Digging!
“It kind of makes you wonder, in a way, at all the fuss over Scott McClellan this week.”
vs.
“Now, perhaps they’ve all just come to take it for granted that the White House is going to lie, obfuscate, and mislead whenever the press secretary opens his mouth, so what’s the point of making a big deal about it now?”
David: You confused me. Are you saying, “this McClellan book is a big deal, and the press minimized it.” Or are you saying: “This should not have been a big deal, but the press treated it as one”…?
Meanwhile, McClellan was on Tim Russert this morning and Russert did not ask at all about the news media being “complicit” in the march to war, one of the more intriguing charges in McClellan’s book.
Here’s my take: What Happened to Scott McClellan in Longer Perspective: 100 Years of the White House Press.
Those who don’t know Mahalo, the new human guided search engine, should check out the page on McClellan.
it is rare for a WH insider and longtime presidential aide and friend to go public against his former master.
maybe no one has done it since gerald terhorst.
Because Scotty is writing about them… in their narcissistic orbit.
Y’know, but enough about me. What do you think of me?
I knew there were no WMD. My friends knew there were no WMD. Truly did not the press and Congress know? Or was it a watch, maybe let this guy Bush hang himself ultimately at the cost of countless lives and quality of life.
And then there is how Denial seems to be rampant … with Repubs AND many Dems.
MSM corporately enthralled. $$$$$ and power and access and self-promotion.
Russ wrote a book. Matthews wrote a book. Etc. EGO-ism a serious threat.
I think McClellan deserves some points for saying what he is saying. The Bushies have lost their MASCOT. Mascots that betray turn to punished scapegoats. McClellan took on Bushies and media at same time. I liked that.
The exploitation of sentiment has been a problem for this country since forever. The latest: 9/11… immigration… support the troops by setting them up to die… Hillary’s faux feminism. Bush’s gut “truthiness” and the gang mentality of LOYALTY, LOYALTY, LOYALTY above ethics.
and yes, the russert invu was crappy. he didnt ask about press complicity and he made mcclellan perfidy questions the centerpiece rather than questions about the actual crime–which was the administrations total information control on science, the war, warrantless wiretaps, torture, etc.
it was truly all that goopers could hope for–russert changed the topic to mcclellan and not BUSH.
As you say, one of the great tragedies that Bush has made a best seller is Presidential Lying for profit. Not occasionally, not collaterally, not temporarily or for widely accepted notions of national security. No. It’s to avoid telling the American people what our President does every day. Lie us into war, tear down the federal government, divert rivers of taxpayer funds to the private sector with no oversight and no increase in effectiveness. The work citizens thought their government and their tax payments were achieving? Obstructed, delayed, “achieved” while actually shelved.
George Bush came into office under a cloud and will leave a hurricane stricken residue of corrupt prosecutions, corrupted laws and agencies, a bankrupt treasury and a small cohort of followers permanently enriched. He leaves us a “Defense” Department that has its fist in every aspect of government and our daily lives, from our driver’s licenses and moles at vegan dinner meetings to our fingerpints and internet chats. Much of it run by outsourced service providers led by former Defense Department staff in what must be the world’s greatest conflict of interest.
The tragedy is that the corporate media expect the President to lie as much as it does, by omission as well as commission. Telling the truth is news.
Bush came into office with no agenda but to tear down government by surreptitiously privatizing it and, like Nixon, to take out his enemies, both foreign and domestic. As McCain’s camp is monopolized by lobbyists, Bush’s is monopolized by PR hacks, an army of Roves, Zieglers, Fleischers, McClellans. His heads of the EPA and FEMA aren’t exceptions, they’re the rule, a rule carefully enforced by a squadron of Monica Goodlings and overseen by a Vice President who gives Bush his daily dose of self-esteem and his marching orders.
Reporting that isn’t responsible “journalism” as defined by the corporate media. One, they can’t prove it, not without asking embarrassing questions. Two, it would cut off their access and the ready approval of their business mergers, expansions and legal preferences. Those make infinitely more money than broadcasting news, which they regard as a loss leader. Allowing that would be bad for shareholders. American citizens? They rank lower than the granny from Pasadena with one share in Enron.
The only reason they let Olbermann hold forth on MSNBC is to capture our minority demographic. Profit-motive.
SO WELL SAID.
To God’s and the alternate media’s ears! Thank you.
Jay, the second quote you cite from the post was intended rhetorically, that is, as suggestive of the mindset in the press wherein these attitudes create a kind of shrug-off response. I didn’t intend to reflect my own views.
And for that matter, the first quote was also a rhetorical device — that is, I actually do think the revelations are important, but I can’t say that they come in any way as a surprise except that a Bush camp follower would actually break ranks to write what he knows; most of them are True Believers.
Really, the only surprise for me is that so much of the press corps was willing to stand up there day after day and let him do it.
So yes, McClellan’s book is a big deal in fact, but not so much for what it revealed about the White House, which has tended to be the focus of the discussion and really should not be a surprise to anyone. The big deal is how clearly it reveals the press falling down utterly on the job. Which was the point of this post generally.
Okay, I got it now. Thanks.
I think the book is a big deal, and a surprise in the sense you mentioned, that a Bush camp follower would actually break ranks to write what he knows.
An interesting theme in the press reaction is that McClellan sounds like a lefty blogger, like someone from FDL, or Orcinus or for that matter PressThink. That’s a brain scrambler for the Washington journalist. To wit, on Hardball:
That it doesn’t jibe with what he said at the time is the whole theme of the book. He came to it on reflection. But when you are protecting against just that–deep reflection on your own role in the mess–the sight of someone else doing it sends Gregory into a bit of a brain freeze.
I’m trying to recall, Jay — wasn’t it Gregory who was humiliated by Bush in front of the international corps for using French? Yep. I’m wondering if he realizes how he was made an example of, and what effect that had on the corps generally. It was crap like that from this White House that eventually had them all behaving like abused spouses. So the White House played an important role in creating the conditions, but the journalists themselves weren’t tough enough to stand up to it, either.
I agree. Although I see the dysfunctionality with Bush and the “whipped” press corps as more specifically Bush as an addict personality, Jekyll/Hyde, that enthralls a codependent enabler chronically locked in his or her crazymaking orbit with no escape worn down and stuck in ‘reactive’ not ‘proactive’ mode.
Did you know that in the ranks of the recovery organization Alanon, a person who is in both AA and Alanon (called a “double winner”) is no longer allowed to take on a heirarchical role in that organization because the “double winners” … i.e., recovering alcoholics, were still RUNNING THE SHOW even with their “recovering” alononic counterparts. Go figure.
I think this is an important theme, and also fraught with interpretive difficulties. An easy reductionism often takes over. But “abuse” is not to be discounted as a language of explanation; I think it’s an undercurrent in their experience, something not on the surface, not seen, named and acknowledged. McClellan comes out with an account of his abuse, which was one form in which their abuse happened. If they didn’t narrate it at the time, then to see it now amounts to a giant correction. The incentives against that are huge. Moreover since the very difficulties we are describing are psychological, they are only to be found intelligible when you get outside the bubble, as happened to McClellan when he left the government.
I very much agree with your caveat about interpretational difficulties, especially since we’re all a bunch of amateurs when it comes to psychology; understanding the basic ideas is helpful but far be it from me to offer a long-distance diagnosis.
Moreover, in my above remarks, I probably put too much stress on the individual failures of the press corps, particularly WRT their toughness, but I neglected to emphasize that they ultimately are reflections of the institutions they work for; most of them wouldn’t be that weak if their editors weren’t that weak, and the editors likewise reflect the publishers and owners.
I also think it’s fair to say that the broad consolidation of media and the resulting diversity of voices has played a significant role in those publishers’/owners’ behavior — they have more real power to chart the course of our national discourse, and they’re applying it. And that course largely corresponds with what we know of their political views: they’re conservative.
So I would imagine that any correspondent who showed too much moxie and not enough get-along would be shut out and their work made that much more difficult. And if they lost the support of their editors, they wouldn’t have the assignment for long anyway. So they make a lot of compromises to get their jobs done. And guys like McClellan always counted on that.
Well, we’re all human. As I said on another thread the other day, these are prestigious jobs that people work very hard to attain in their careers, and the pressure is tremendous not to blow it. I actually can understand why people make those choices, and I’ve never been privileged to be faced with those kinds of difficulties in the first place, so I can’t honestly say how I’d respond. I’d like to say that I would first keep my integrity, but I can’t say that for a fact. I’m human too.