Morning Jane. Another controversial thread, no doubt.

And who is this guy in the first video?

Hi, Jane. Thanks for your efforts live-blogging and YouTubeing yesterday! It was much better–and less painful–than listening to the MSM shitbag patter.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I love the one with the Peter Frampton clip. That was VERY funny.

So, how long until the Sunday Morning Self-congratulatory Talking Head Millionaire Pundits have Ms. Harriet on to discuss her views about American Politics and McCain’s Maver-Ickieness?

Ding. An new 15 minutes of fame career is launched!

Jane!

You are soooooooooo Baaaaaaaaaaaaad!

Putting the ‘little people’ up here where many can see them.

My faith in you and this site is restored.

Democracy is for Democrats; Democrats are for the People!

I hope they get her on before Wolf Blitzer gets that Larry guy on to talk about his night in the limo with Obama. Dang, this season is going to be crazy.

Time for Hillary to renounce and reject Harriet Christian?

I wonder if Harriet woke this morning and thought about making a fool of herself on national TV. I’m fairly certain that the AAs in this country were not impressed with her statement that she felt like a second class citizen. Bunch of hogwash.

Harriet Christian for Secretary of State!!!!!

From Noooo Yawk even!

“Inadequate Black Man”

I will have to add that to his full Christian name.

You are a male…right?

She sounded like Tom Leykis making fun of old people who call his show and tell him how awful he is.

Please do :)

And I just keep wondering who’s pulling the strings.

In 2000 we had the Brooks Brothers Riot, now we have the Sister Christiansen Riots.

Hopefully time will begin to heal some of these wounds, because any feminist or progressive who would vote for McCain out of spite is a lunatic or an loser.

-G

Yo, Harriet, go get a slice and a coke. Chill.

“You got some fuckin’ balls comin’ in here with this shit…“

Jane, I never did get to say THANK YOU so much for being there for us yesterday. And what a “reporter’s nose” you have to trample Walter to get at Harriet. LOL!
SMOOOTH move!
You are VERY appreciated in my home. If it weren’t for you and ew and the FDL crew, mr. siri would have to listen to me about all of this far more that he does, and for that, HE IS GRATEFUL. say’s he’d mow your lawn or something if we lived where you are. lol!

Harriet Honey…if you live in Manhattan these days, you had better either have a rent stabilized apartment, or tons of money. With all of your dripping jewelry and the ability to go to Washington and hang out all day to curse the party leaders…I would say you fall more into the latter category than the former. You must be one of those old women who clutch their purses when a well dressed black man gets into the elevator with you. On the real side…my God, I didn’t realize how many closet bigots we have in our party. They aren’t all old either. That’s why I have decided to become an independent. Hey Harriet, thanks for firming up that decision for me. You and Geraldine, that is…

ROFL!!! outa da PARK! BobbyG!!!!!

Harriet is very angry and shrill. But, make no mistake about it, there are millions of Democrats that share her point of view, if not her temperament.

To win, Obama’s campaign is going to have to target the following groups, in this order of importance:
1]Hillary supporters;
2]Independents;
3]Soft Obama supporters;and
4]Soft McCain supporters.

More narrowly, these groups will need to be targeted in these states, in this order of importance: [2,3 and 4 could be reordered]
1]Ohio;
2]Michigan;
3]Pennsylvania; and ,
4]Florida.

“Sister Christian” wasn’t that a Night Ranger song? Oh yeah…

*g

Ding!

We have a winner #5 takes the prize!

As the perfect example of an Obama supporter he gets to spend a wonderful weekend at the mansion Rezko helped Michelle buy for Barry. They will spend some quality time together and view ‘Birth of a Nation’ by D.W. Griffin. A big BBQ feed featuring plenty o’ ribs, black eyes peas and sweet potato pie will be a highlight.

Maybe SNL can do a “girl tawk” skit “The Harriett and Geraldine Show”.

‘eh?

We wish this video is going to drive voter turnout for Obama that and Harriet’s open performance is going to shame GOP moderates away from McCain.
The GOP Secret Racist code only works if the Moderate voters don’t get embarrassed by their more openly racist wing.
Suburbia is all about Respectability and Harriet just cost McCain allot of the Hilary or the damm the world were voting McCain vote.

Linked by Drudge? Gaaah.

No we need McCain to hug this lady! and Hilary!

On the other hand, it seems that the Democratic Party cannot afford to shame people like that so much that they are too embarrassed to participate in Democratic politics anymore.

I would perhaps take issue with “millions.” Dunno.

EPU’d point I proffered:

You cancel them out with millions of new voters who are more amenable to common sense. Some people are inescapably in the thrall of their personal mini-series martyrdom dramas. I wouldn’t waste a lot of time on ‘em. The goal is to have a successful presidency that will stand as its own refutation of their narrow-minded silliness.

Harriet Christian (my reading of her, anyway) does not want McCain.
She’s stating what to her is an obvious fact: McCain will be the next president. I think that’s partly why she’s so angry. We need, desperately need a Democrat in the White House.
Several people in my town have told me the same thing, in a very resigned way. They sure aren’t going to vote for McC but they see no hope of an Obama win.
They hear all the idiotic talking points that get spread by preachers and emailers. And a whole lot of people here believe their preachers, and their relatives who email them.

The goal is to have a successful presidency that will stand as its own refutation of their narrow-minded silliness.

True. But you gotta get elected President first. And you gotta get nice comfy majorities in the Senate and House to have a successful presidency.

We didn’t do this she did this all on her own. Although we did watch the video but I couldn’t stop myself.

707. That’s fuckin’ hilarious.

good one, kinda like mini-reality-tv

Actually, she said what Hillary and Bill have been saying to the super delegates. I think daylight and disinfectant is what the Democratic party needs. This party has been “playing” diversity for a long time. It’s still playing. Hillary and Bill tapped into it in order to drive up her votes. At first it really hurt to hear this stuff out of our party, but now…with the open racism in the re-thug party and ours spilling out all over the place, the world will finally see us for the fakes we truly are.

I dunno. I read an enticing argument recently throwing cold water on the idea of max get-out-the-vote participation. Basically, if you’re such a limbic-driven lunatic Star of Your Own Psychodrama incapable of rational parsing and getting up to speed on the tedious non-YouTube Momeent details of governance and policy, maybe you should just stay home and shout at your TeeVee.

Nah…

Ya just gotta believe…and spread around a whole lot of cash. Frankly, Senator SnakeOil is gonna be a real embarrassment once Americans get a load of his curriculum vitae ala Rezko and the Illinois Machine.

Repu’ublicists and Hillaristas misunderestimate The Sheikh at their peril. Think back.

You do realize that the Magic Man only won in low turn out states? They call ‘em Caucus states but that is in fact what they are.

(Johnny Olsen)
Low Information Voters, come on down!
(Johnny Olsen)

Sigh.

Margot, I suspect you are right, but the McCain folks will be trumpeting this video like it’s an endorsement of McCain from Jesus at Calvary right before the nails went in.

Let’s face it, McCain is Reagan’s ideological heir in every way… a union-busting, flat-earther who wants to run the country on deficits and war until the end of time… Ms Harriet may have been making that point, but she misses one or two minor details about Obama…

-his incredible network both on and off “the toobz”
-his intelligence and dedication to what he says is “change”
-his willingness to answer questions and admit fault, something that neither McSame nor Hillary are willing or able to do (HRC: the Iraq war resolution, why I was for my triangulated vote before I was you know well… )

Sadly the SCLM will pick up on her screaming and run it out of context for oh say, the next month or longer.

It is this simple, if Obama doesn’t get a huge percentage[80%+] of Clinton’s supporters, he will lose the GE.

Thanks Jane! Being frustrated with our political system (especially dealing with the evil Bush Administration) is understandable but Harriet Christian’s bigoted, hateful and spoiled brat comments are wrong on all accounts. Even her willingness to hand the election over to the disastrous neo-con McCain because she didn’t get her way is especially childish and troubling.

Alas there is usually a silver lining, I think we found a qualified replacement for Bill O’Lielly when he chooses (or run out of town) to retire.

We shall see. We shall see.

Is that you Harriet?

Hilary can make sure we get the Hilary supporters by conceding and then working to ensure her supporters back McCain.

If she’s not willing to that, one has to question whether she is concerned for the welfare of anyone but herself.

Change McCain to Obama in that last. My brain has not started working yet.

Several people in my town have told me the same thing, in a very resigned way. They sure aren’t going to vote for McC but they see no hope of an Obama win.

For sure, Obama has a built-in disadvantage. With all of the racism in America, a black man has a lot of people that will vote against him just on reflex. You could make the same argument about Hillary, and substitute sexism for racism. There’s also advantages to each side, Obama will benefit from increased participation of blacks, and Hilary would bring in more women.

Neither one was my first choice, I kind of wish the Democrats had played it safe and nominated a white male candidate. My first choice was Edwards, but in the final analysis, Edwards is probably less electable than either Clinton or Obama.

In any case, it’s over. Obama is going to be the nominee. We need to start thinking about how to get him past McCain. To misquote Rumsfeld, you go to the General Election with the candidate you have, not the one you wish you had.

First, a thank you to Jane and EW for yesteday’s reporting.

Second, can someone explaine YouTube? Sometimes I get sound with it, but more often not. No error message, and I can’t figure out why no sound sometimes.

Yeah. Fuck, fuckity-fuck. Fuck me…

Ding. Let’s drag out all of her debate vidclips effusively praising The Sheikh. Recall?

HAHAHAHAH!!!! You are a right-wing mole!

Be sure and watch #5 pal. There’s were the Magic Man loses his magic. You want that guy on your team right?

Even if you disagree with what Harriet is upset about that guy is gonna be your poster boy for Senator ‘Yes We Can!’

If I’m McCain that’s the clip I show.

You on a fat pipe? (broadband)

I think gas going to $5 a gallon might help convince the Hilary voters. That and increased food costs for Rice, wheat, soybeans, milk etc.

That’s pretty funny. What did this lady expect? They were going to seat all the delegates and give them all to Hillary? That’s about the only way she could’a won. Manufactured issue being railed upon by either a math major who can’t read or an english major who can’t add.

Margot, I suspect you are right, but the McCain folks will be trumpeting this video like it’s an endorsement of McCain from Jesus at Calvary right before the nails went in.

Well, the Republicans already have the racist-American vote locked up, so I don’t think this gains them anything. As many might be turned off by this disgusting display as are attracted to it. More, I hope.

I love the last video above in particular. That’s goin’ out to my mailing list. LOL!

The economy is going to be the number 1 issue in the fall. That will help Obama.

Perhaps. Hillary will take it to the convention, barring the superdelegates commit before then. The supers don’t want to, but Nancy Pilosi will strong-arm the ones she can. Given the natural caution of politicians, it will be interesting to see if Speaker Pilosi can apply that much pressure.

I won’t be surprised if it goes to convention. I won’t even be especially surprised if Hillary gets the nomination. Time to stock up popcorn supplies.

This is not going to the Convention, unless a black swan lands in our nominating pond.

HuH?

No expects the black swan!

I gotta idea that Thers’ post last night has changed the Lake for-evah. LOL.

I watched them all. There are morons of all sizes and colors in the country. I never got any of them confused with either candidate.

To quote (roughly) Thers.. Fuck Nancy Pelosi

I LUVS me Taleb!

This guy says it so much better than I can…
We’re Democrats…Not Republicans….

We have spent the last seven years shouting to the housetops how Bush & Co. have consistently and intentionally disregarded the Rule of Law. So I find it somewhat disingenuous to hear these Hillary supporters seeking to do the same thing. You knew what the rules were. You went ahead and broke them anyway. You knew what the consequences would be.

All the sad and heart-rending stories about little old ladies and first time voters don’t mean crap. This is not an emotional issue. This is a legal issue. They remind me of the young man newly convicted of murdering his parents throwing himself on the mercy of the court because he was an orphan.

Suck it up…Clinton lost…Obama won…get over it.

Dammmit, the FDL magnet pulled me out of the sunshine in into my cave again. Powerful thing! Question: Just looked at the first video (eloquent black man). Was he unscripted? Amazing speaker.

Assuming the ruling yesterday is appealed, and my understanding of the rules is correct (as it may well not be), I don’t think the nomination CAN be formally awarded until convention.

If a large number of supers commit for Obama, then it will be over de facto, but that will require some fortitude on the part of those superdelegates representing states/districts that went for Hillary.

I hope you are right, but I fear you are not.

True racism is a factor and I am sure that there are a lot of people who lie to pollsters about planning to voting for Obama or Hilary but won’t vote for an African American or a Women.
However there is also Bush’s low approval rating, high gas and food rices a falling Dollar, the fact the GOP picked a Candidate who is having worse Senior Moments than second term Reagen. I mean come on we’ve been at war for 7 years and he still doesn’t know the difference between Shia and Sunni?
This is a perfect storm for the GOP and if the last few special elections are any indicator we will win in GOP districts because the GOP tried to link our candidates in those special elections to Obama and they still won in some very GOP districts.

Perhaps. Hillary will take it to the convention, barring the superdelegates commit before then.

I predict that Obama will have enough comitted delegates and superdelegages by the end of this week (June 5, if not June 3) to officially declare that the nomination sewed up. I’m not being Kreskin here, but he just needs to poll at 50% at the remaining states and pick up about 20 supers. A lot of the superdelegates are waiting for June 3 to declare, and when they do, even if most of them go for Hillary, it isn’t going to matter. Obama only needs a fraction. I don’t see any for the math to work out that Obama DOESN’T have a mathematical lock this week.

The only recourse after that would be a rules challenge by the Hillary supporters at the convention, or some kind of major scandal that causes a bunch of committed delegates to uncommit. Anything is possible, but I dont see either of those things being very likely.

The Man from Liberal Mountain does have a way with words. I didn’t know ‘doxa’ until just the other day. Whatta guy.

And he is correct. I find it hard to believe our timid Speaker will take any decisive action.

You know, i have to say I’m getting really pissed at our party leaders. I mean REALLY. PISSED.
It’s not like we (as a party) have not already been abused and put through a ringer with this misAdministration. We’ve been completely abused as a people by our president and want so badly to come together and take back our country, and we have this huge fear based split in the party, and they do nothing about letting this drag on. What exactly do they think leaders are supposed to be for???
I’m referring to the supers, Pelosi, Reid, Gore, ALL OF THEM. How much do they really think we can be put through and why are they allowing this to drag on like this. I feel disrespected and like not one of them cares about any of us.

No expects the black swan!

They never do!

Clusterfuck wasted no time advertising his low Iraq casualty number for May…he hopes to help goopers in November by keeping the number low.. don’t know if it will work- it might move the war down the priority list for voters.

So?

You are not a low-info voter. That’s not the case for most folks. And personally I found #5 over the top and given that I have a real high tolerance for boneheads talkin’ sh$%t that should worry the Obamafans.

Just tellin’ everyone who doesn’t luv them some O-man they are racists, a continuing theme in the battle so far and now adding on the ‘best git yo ass out of the U.S.’, which by the way is an old Reich Wing line, does not, on the surface, appear to be a winning campaign theme.

Almost 80 comments and know one has Dugg this for Jane…. Come on Pups start digging this Post for Jane!

I still have to read that book! I am so behind in my reading.

By definition

Sadly though, as these videos attest, there are a lot of low information voters out there (I feel sorry for the poor guy that didn’t get why Obama was not on the ballot). They will push McCain’s (faux) maverickyness, and say he’ll be able to push the Saudis into lowering prices. Lots of folks will probably buy that malarky. November is not a sure thing, thanks to good ol’ corporate media.

Uh…yeah, Childers rates 75 on Progressive Punch.

That’s not a Democrat rating. That’s ReThug land never mind Blue Dog territory.

lol… I remember losing a bet in 3rd grade over the JFK/Goldwater race. I follow this stuff. The people I’m talking about absolutely don’t. They may vote, in a “really important” election. That’s it.
The way I can see to approach people, myself, is to greet them with a hug (these are people I know, not strangers) and to say, “I would ask in the spirit of fellowship, that we all come together for the good of the country. Let’s vote to put our country first, for once. Let’s vote to make our middle class great again, to afford college for our kids again, and medical care for all of us. We can do it if we all pull together.”

so, why do you like clinton?

Americans are pissed about gas prices- but millions still go out and buy NEW 10 MPG SUVs- just cause they can. Incredible…

So, what exactly is the status of yesterday’s compromise? Here are some links:
– KagroX at Dkos, who thinks that the RBC exceeded its authority: http://dailykos.com/storyonly/.....443/526373
– Ohiobama a knowlegeable commenter, who disagrees: http://www.dailykos.com/commen.....1/681#c681
– Marcy “emptywheel” Wheeler, MI voter and blogger extrordinaire, who live-blogged yesterday’s RBC doings (but you knew that) is upstairs now.

Got my shovel back from Kevin James and dugg it.

JFK/ Goldwater?

When was that?

I remember JFK/Nixon and Johnson/Goldwater

I live in Texas. I’m not under estimating racism. We may not make it. On the other hand, anyone who thinks HRC wouldn’t take a shitload of sexists and personal attacks, at least equal to the effect of racism isn’t being realistic. Given the fact that Obama has won the primary, which actually became apparent about three months ago, any attacks on him only help the Republicans. So, I don’t see your point in the insults. If we end up disillusioned, so be it. There’s no further need for you to try and warn us.

“We couldn’t even find out where this convention was being held!”–Harriett Christian

Could someone tell me if there was some difficulty in “finding out where this convention was being held”?

There are a lot of low information voters out there we call them 30%ers :)
but even though they are immune to reality with its well known liberal bias as Steven Colbert says they are emotional voters.
They are anger junkie voters and right now possible $5 gas and a bad economy well that is never good for the party that holds the White House. This election looks like a replay of the Carter Reagen race with Obama running against a Party in control that presided over high gas prices a failed middle east policy and most importantly a bad economy.

According to the news reports I see here in FL they can’t give the damn things away. Those who can pay cash rather than borrow to buy a vehicle continue to buy these monsters but others, not so much. The car lots here are full of them and they only move to get washed. The car dealers are also reluctant to take them in trade because they get stuck with ‘em. One dealer said he’s got SUV trade-ins on the lot that have been there for over a year.

Thank you for the links.

I believe Ickes intends to appeal regardless (I subscribe to Rachel Maddow’s take on all this), so that Hillary can make a plea for the supers in Denver.

Oh heck. Sorry, it must have been Goldwater /Johnson.

McBu’ush is gonna need the help of a major False Flag Code Brown incident this fall. Terrah, Terrah, Terrah.

I think Hilary is going to the convention and say I got this many states I deserve to be VP.

Let me put in simple words:

She can beat McCain. Barry….uh..maybe, probably not.

I hope you are right, although the 30%ers don’t represent all the low-information voters (think ’soccer moms’).

As things stand, the economy will probably win out for Democrats, but there will be a jingoistic play of some kind made late-summer (most likely an attack on Iran), and I hope we can counter the Chicken Littles of the world that kept John Kerry out in 04.

We shall see. Peeps thus far have come to rue having misunderestimating The Sheikh.

Bobby,
Hillary has received roughly 17.6M primary votes per wiki while Obama has received roughly 17.8M.

In 2004, roughly 122.2M total voters for the presidency with Bush receiving 62M and Kerry 59M, again per wiki

Do you really think there are that many new voters available to get Obama over the top without Clinton supporters?

how can she beat mccain if she can’t beat barry?

1,859 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen 1divasinger and the FirepupFreedom Fighters:

“I think daylight and disinfectant are just what the Democratic Party needs. This party has been “playing diversity” for a long time.”

Beautifully said Citizen! Now all Firepup Patriots, read this patriotic citizen’s post and take it to heart. The only way we beat this diabolical, fascist political strategy of playin’ the common people against themselves is to expose those folks like the M*Clintons for what they are, reach out to their followers and ORGANIZE!!! One million new voters from the college campuses, high schools, single workin’ parents, veterans, people of color, all these folks can bury the old politics.

What I think was exposed yesterday, in addition to the real nature of Mrs. M*Clinton’s politics and political motivations, is the real nature of the socially accepted women’s movement of the last 40+ years: it’s a Jim Crow middle class sorority. The women’s movement was co opted by the oligarchy to use against the other elements of the “common folk”. What we are seein’ here is the use of those M*Clinton followers as Kamikaze shock troops against any effort to create a new Democratic Party coalition based on class that includes what’s left of the middling classes without the compromise with the devil that was FDR’s coalition with the racist Dixiecrats.

Let’s reach out to those blind followers of Mrs. M*Clinton, not on bended knee but straight up, reachin’ down into the gutter in which they have been led by a bride of the oligarchy. We don’t need the last die hard followers of the bride of Goldwater to win…we only need to offer them redemption and then move on and bury them.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THERE ARE MORE OF US THAN THERE ARE OF THEM!!!

I don’t think Hillary has any interest in bein Veep.

That’s a job for a younger person who can live off the development in name recognition for 8 years and then become prez…

There’s nothin in that job for Hillary.

Yeah I agree he needs a real terror attack the old gays getting married bit does not seem to be exciting the GOP Anger Junkies and despite Lou Dobbs not allot of of Minute Men want to pick fruit or work the McDonalds drive through.
Even linking our special election House candidates to Obama is not working so yeah there only shot at wining is Terror!

The game’s not quite over yet. And I really think Obama supporters need to look beyond the racism issue. Personally I think if Obama does lose it will have more to do with his mistakes and his deep roots with the Illinois Machine.

Most Americans don’t know anything about Rezko, Auchi and the rest of that story.

But the ReThugs are sure to tell them. Please don’t use the argument that Hillary has negatives. That’s like saying the sun will come up tomorrow.

Obama’s negative story will be like an major earthquake as it conflicts so much with his narrative of himself.

Please attack Iran before the election just let me fill up my gas tank first if $5 a gallon gas helps Obama $10 a gallon gas and Obama will beat FDR’s margins of victory.

Accept being there just in case.

The Sheikh’s peeps are about to launch the largest new voter registration drive in history, staffed by the largest street-level volunteer group in history. The upshot of that, combined with Hillary supporters who will even