Of all the stories I’ve read that begin with the protagonist on a bathroom floor, David Sirota’s The Uprising is, by far, the best. On that bathroom floor, the author had an epiphany about seemingly diverse movements: New York’s Working Families Party; Lou Dobbs and the Minutemen/Militia movements; Ned Lamont’s netroots-turbocharged 2006 campaign for Joe Lieberman’s U.S. Senate seat; high-tech permatemps’ union organizing in the Northwest; Brian Schweitzer and Jon Tester turning Montana a new shade of blue; and a Dominican nun’s leadership of the shareholder activism movement. All these, he recognized on the floor in his room at the Riviera at YearlyKos1.0, are connected by the thread that is Yet Another American Uprising. This is the most extraordinary book about American politics I have read in a long time.
Americans are fed up with government, media, and corporate elites who have gotten rich and powerful by treating us like subjects to be ruled rather than people for whom they work, like passive absorbers of their message rather than creative thinkers, like consumers of their toxins rather than valued customers who are owed quality. And we fed-up Americans cross all political and partisan divides – we are left and right, union and business, liberal and conservative, Blue and Red. Mostly, though, we realize we’ve become Outsiders in a nation whose systems are geared to benefit the Insiders. And it’s that sense -- that the American way no longer works for all of us because it’s rigged to benefit a few -- which allows Sirota to see a cross-cultural, nationwide, transpartisan Uprising.
But Sirota’s thesis raises disturbing questions about who we progressive members of The Uprising may need to befriend to accomplish a mission to take back America – questions like “take it back from whom, for whom, and with whom?” And I suspect the non-progressive members of the Uprising might be equally disturbed to make common cause with those of us on this side.
Socialist United States Senator Bernie Sanders, an original member of The (Current) Uprising, sees partisan politics not as a continuum, but as a circle. He uses that circle to convince his politically conservative constituents who distrust “the liberal media” to ally with him and his politically progressive constituents who distrust “the Legacy Media,” in order to support the efforts of FCC Commissioner Michael Copps. He works to stop the Bush Administration’s continued “deregulation” of media ownership, to benefit their campaign contributors and narrow the choices and voices available to American citizens (or “consumers”). Our own efforts to deconstruct the Legacy Media may benefit from an alliance with those who’ve long criticized the American media as captive of liberal elites – will we want to work together to take down our current media structure and then rebuild something more clearly responsive to Americans’ concerns about a palace court? Will how we take it down together influence what gets built in its place? Can we forge an alliance with those whose distrust of the media equals ours but comes from a very different place? And what goals might that alliance share?
When Sirota interviews a California Minuteman on “patrol” at Camp Vigilance, who is (in his day job) an owner of a small landscaping business, complaints about competitors who employ undocumented workers are legion. The small businessman wants the federal government to crack down on those who undercut him at every turn -- because they don’t pay benefits, workers compensation, or a fair wage. At the core of his complaint, though, I hear echoes of our own frustrations with the ICE meatpacking raids in Iowa: why aren’t The Owners arrested, fined, punished? The intersection of our anger about immigration is the unfairness of the exemption provided to the businesses that hire and abuse workers. Can he see past our liberal humanitarian concerns, and can we get past his xenophobia, to find common ground in opposition to Capital’s rigged system? Is there a way for The Uprising to be soldered together on the very small place where our concerns align?
A relentless theme of Lou Dobbs Tonight is that our American middle class is being destroyed by DeeCee insiders from both parties who are overly responsive to campaign contributors. Lou rides that theme to some pretty scary places – the war on the middle class, broken borders, the drug war within. And Lou has some pretty frightening allies and supporters – rightwing racist xenophobes, angry Minutemen, and WorldNetDaily readers.
At the same time, though, a Blue America theme is that DeeCee insiders are much too beholden to big campaign contributors, and that the Democratic grassroots need to locate, support, finance, and elect Better Democrats in order to smash the corporatocracy’s hold on our party. Nothing could seem farther apart at first glance than the scary Lou Dobbs worldview and Blue America’s inclusive and diverse approach to candidate selection. But both are part of The Uprising. And, if so, how do progressives find a narrow place to ally with Dobbs to make change on the single issue of corporatocracy? Can The Uprising close this circle of partisan politics to create this change both Establishment antagonists want? And how would that work, anyway?
One example detailed in this book is the ten-year-old Working Families Party, created in New York by major labor, consumer and grassroots organizations as a “fusion” party, enabling them to cross-endorse another party’s candidate while counting their votes for that candidate separately, building a separate power base and sometimes providing a Democrat with a winning margin. That kind of success in New York State has moved Democrats toward people-based policies and away from corporate lobbyists with bags of cash. They’ve build a reputation as “the party that thinks wages should be higher” – a message that appeals to union members as well as working- and middle-class voters hostile to unions. The party’s leaders also make some compromises with power brokers because of configurations unique to New York – sometimes they find themselves on the opposite side of a primary campaign from union members of their own board, for instance. Sometimes they find themselves asked to reduce the emphasis of their own “Row E” message, central to their clout as a party, in order to achieve common goals with big power players. But their leader understands what we’ve learned at Blue America: “You cannot build a successful movement until you show you have the ability to defeat a bad Democrat.”
And yet – this party takes a pass on one core Democratic value I can’t: choice. I wonder what would happen in an Uprising alliance when the Working Families Party had a candidate who was great on all the issues, but still a forced-birth proponent? There’s no evidence in the book that it’s happened yet, but if reproductive rights aren’t anywhere on your candidate selection radar, a forced-birth proponent will get endorsed sometime. How can an economic Uprising succeed by leaving a core Democratic value aside? How successfully can it build alliances with other Uprising movements? What happens when the party’s neutrality collides with our passion?
The Uprising made me wonder: Are the differences we progressives have with other parts of The Uprising – the divisions we see as possibly insurmountable, even if we tried to find common ground – are these divisions real? Is our mutual disaffection from the center of power what makes us more like one another than we’d like to believe? And does keeping us divided one movement from another fulfill the Insiders’ plan to destabilize and disrupt the Uprising from reaching its full potential as the revolutionary antiestablishment force it can be?
This is a remarkable book – I literally learned something new on every single page. Stuffed with information, and yet beautifully character-driven, it’s an extraordinary piece of journalism that weaves a haunting story around the frustration and rage of the American people as we see our dream slip away. The Oligarchs should fear this book – and we should embrace it, even as we try to find our way around the contradictions its message provides.
FireDogLake is very excited to welcome author David Sirota – who is on a busy movement-based media tour to promote his book! Please keep comments on topic, and polite; discussion on other topics continues on the previous thread.
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David,Welcome to the Lake.
Teddy thank you for Hosting.
Hey Teddy!
David, welcome to FDL!
Welcome, David, to FireDogLake. How is your whirlwind book tour going?
Thanks for having me - and I think your preview hits the right questions. An uprising is the state between disengaged chaos and full-fledged movement - and the answers to the questions you raise in this introduction will decide if a movement emerges, and what kind.
I’m thrilled to be here - and psyched to answer any questions anyone has. Fire away!
David – Thanks so much for coming by the Lake today. I haven’t gotten your eagerly-awaited book in my mails yet, so I’m at a bit of a disadvantage. But as you can imagine, I’m fascinated by the subject and the thesis.
I would agree that there is some common ground with disenfranchised, angry rural dwellers to a large extent, but I would argue that their having gravitated to the far right is largely a function of their abandonment by urban progressives. The far right has succeeded so well in these areas because we’ve ceded them the field. They’re the only ones listening to these folks’ grievances and offering what seem like attractive, even simple solutions, even though they’re in fact largely snake oil and scapegoating.
The cyclical popularity of the populist far right in these precincts is kind of a canary in a coal mine regarding their disenfranchisement, and we ignore it at our own peril. But when we go to look for common ground, let’s be real careful about where and how we look.
As much as we might like to forge some kind of common ground with folks on the far right, it’s important to remember just how vicious and ugly they can be. I’d refer folks to the post I put up at Orcinus today, which is essentially the full text of Chapter 6 of my book In God’s Country; it’s about a group calling itself the Phineas Priesthood, and it should remind us why we don’t want to go there.
My own experience with the extremist right was that there were really three tiers within the Patriot movement generically: the leaders, the hardcores, and the footsoldiers. And there simply isn’t any common ground worth finding with the first two groups. However, as I’ve always argued, there is lots of common ground to be found within the latter group, since they’re largely constituted of ordinary, hardworking, but almost always traumatized ordinary folks of usually middle- and working-class backgrounds. They’re angry with the government and corporations and want answers, and the far right is the main faction that talks to them sympathetically.
As Chip Berlet says: “You wouldn’t have people following these kinds of leaders if there wasn’t discontent in the U.S. over the way the government works. It’s really important not to make fun of the premise that there’s something wrong that needs to be changed. I think a lot of people feel that way, and they’re very justified in that feeling. The problem is, when people sense that there’s widespread discontent among the population and channel that discontent toward scapegoats, rather than channel that discontent toward what I would hope would be a very vibrant dialogue about how to change things.”
Terrific. It’s going really well - 4 days in, I’m both exhausted and pumped. We’ve had great crowds already - folks should check the full schedule at www.davidsirota.com/uprising - and come to an event in your area!
Another Chip Berlet quote (all of these are in In God’s Country, BTW):
“Your average rancher, or your average person who works in an extractive industry, they solve complex problems every day of their lives,” Berlet says. “It may not be the ones that people in an urban, white-collar environment solve. If these people had access to information, and if people took their complaints seriously and decided to spend the time to educate them about these questions so they can take part in a serious discussion, then we would not have the problem of scapegoating. Scapegoating and conspiracy theories flourish when the only group reaching out to a discontented population is a group peddling the theories. If in fact the leaders — whether they’re business, or political, or religious or social leaders of our country — actually decided to talk to the people in the country about some of these complex problems, outside of this kind of demagoguery that passes for politicking these days, you’ve got to trust in the ultimate outcome of democracy.
“If the premise is that people are incapable of understanding these issues, then we’re all in big trouble. My premise is that these people are very capable of understanding these issues, if people ever had the respect and courtesy to talk to them about them.
“Anybody who can keep a 1958 John Deere tractor running can understand the budget deficit. I mean, the complexity of a carburetor, the complexity of planning your seed sources and delivery for the season, your irrigation systems — there’s a lot of arrogance in the body politic right now that thinks that common people can’t understand complex situations.
“And that’s ridiculous. The dilemma is that Bo Gritz and his friends are the only ones out there respecting the grievance of these populations, and talking to these populations as if they were intelligent. And that’s a real problem for democracy.
“My formula for democracy is a simple one: Given enough information, the majority of people over time reach the right decision. But if you cut out any of those sectors, you’re in trouble.”
Unfortunately, my daughter’s piano recital is in 20 minutes and I have to run. But I wanted to offer some grist for David’s mill. I’ll check back in as soon as I get back.
Totally agreed about your point about the tiering of the Patriot movement - it is the foot-soldiers that I tried to talk to - and I tried to look at WHAT motivates them, rather than what they are motivated to do. In politics today, we rarely ask that deeper question - the question of what is motivating people. We react, instead, primarily to symptoms rather than underlying problems.
Hi Teddy what a a great introduction to David’s book.
Hi David, welcome to the Lake.
Can you fill us in on some shareholder Uprising by Rockefellers and others against Exxon. This wasn’t actually a defeat, was it?
Just the beginning of the campaign to green Exxon, right?
Welcome, David. Thanks so much for being here today.
BTW we’re having a book signing at Borders at 18th and L Street this Wednesday for David in DC, from 6:30-7:30. I’ll be there very anxious to get my book signed.
http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=11705413329
How did you find it, talking to the foot soldiers? Were they suspicious? Did you find anything particularly effective at overcoming that?
Elliott:
Check my syndicated column from last week for some background. Short answer - yes - it is just the beginning. Other short answer (which you will find out explained in the book): shareholder resolutions often win when they lose. We are used to, say, a candidate losing 70-30 being portrayed as a blowout. But if a shareholder resolution gets 30% of the vote, it’s a huge win - because it scares the market, and subsequently scares the company often into action. So yes, the shareholder movement in general - and the specific movement against ExxonMobil - is doing quite well right now.
I came to the reporting with no pretense, and didn’t wear my ideological predisposition on my sleeve - and I found that most (though not all) were willing to accept that. I think many of us in politics get used to seeing each other in partisan terms and as “friends” and “enemies” when in fact most people outside the business of politics just see people as people, whether they disagree with them or not. So journalistically, it was actually easier to report on people than I had initially expected.
We’re having a discussion about that on the “Rockridge Annex” - a place where a bunch of us set up a site after Rockridge Institute closed - on the subject of how to engage conservatives with the question “Have Conservative Values Failed?” as an opener. The two people who are currently interacting with their conservative family members are reporting back some really surprising comments when approached in that manner.
Have you read any of George Lakoff’s work on conservative (and progressive) framing?
Thanks Jane - you and FDL are really the best - there are so few progressive outlets that are really willing to support writers, activists and organizations in a selfless way. FDL is one of the few - and I really appreciate it.
Your discussion of the various Senator “models” for effectiveness caught my eye, David. Do you think knowing which model a particular Senator has adopted can make it easier for constituents to reach and, possibly, move them on issues?
Our community has had varying success sitting down with different Senators, with some building long-term relationships and others stopped by security guards at the buildings’ entrances. I wonder if knowing what model Senator they’ve decided to be would help us in our work of getting them to be more representative of folks at home who vote.
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Link to the “Rockridge Annex” http://65.181.144.29/ although it’s now called Progressive Community but that is subject to change - we’re still voting and discussing the name LOL!
You included one of my favorite Peter Beinert quotes:
.He means it as a good thing.
Welcome, David - and thank you for confronting the Owners and the insiders.
And Teddy, thank you for hosting.
David, do you see the creeping criminalization of forms of non-violent dissent used by social activists from the women’s sufferage movement through the civil rights movement (lunch counter boycotts) through EarthFirst! and PETA (tree sits/lockdowns in fast food outlets) as an impediment to The Uprising?
Also, do have any opinions on corporate America and The Owners’ use of their creature ALEC to write (and lobby for the passage of) state/Federal law that forbids social change objectives and/or criminalizes non-violent change methods?
Yes, I’ve read a lot of George’s work (he’s a good friend). My take on framing is that it is an essential piece of movement building. As I quote Saul Alinsky in THE UPRISING, you have to start where people are, not where you want them to be. Proper framing is essentially about starting where people are.
Wow, people with different views of the world accepting each other on face value.
At one time, even politicians responded to each other in that way. George McGovern and Barry Goldwater were supposed to be quite good friends while Tip O’Neill and Silvio Conte shared an apartment in DC.
Dugg, thanks neuro!
Thanks for replying. And thank you for writing this book. I am looking forward to reading it.
David - Always a pleasure.
Teddy - great intro!
David, do they hate us, these future partners? Or is it just seething contempt, kind of what I feel for many of them? I promise, I am trying to set it aside.
Getting the book when Keplers has it - I hope you get there to visit.
Great question - the answer is yes, what you describe is a direct reaction to the uprising I describe in the book. As it relates to ALEC, a few years ago, I helped found an organization to counter ALEC. It is called the Progressive States Network - and one of the pieces of legislation that PSN works on is protecting public space as a place that can be used for protest and direct action. Head over to PSN and sign up for the Stateside Dispatch.
Right - though its not just about politicians of different parties. Organizations and uprisings need to find common areas where they can work together. A great recent example of this is Moveon and other progressive groups working with pro-gun groups on issues like Net Neutrality.
David, thank you also for your work with PSN. I’m signing up.
Look, I’m not gonna lie - I think there are cultural, geographic and racial issues that unfortunately divide people apart from each other. These issues have been used as wedges for a long time, and the question of whether this uprising will become a movement is, in part, a question of whether we can overcome those potential divides. I think we can - but certainly, the cultural hatred of “liberals” as hippy tree-huggers is part of what drives conservative activists, and getting over that cultural (and irrational) reflex is going to be tough, just as its going to be tough to get progressives to overcome their own cultural disgust with conservative stereotypes. But it has to happen - and it has happened in the past - if we’re going to forge ahead.
I must say, I fell in love with Jon Tester all over again, reading your portrayal of him.
Absolutely positively yes. Again, its back to the Saul Alinsky parable that I quote in the book: you have to start where people are, not where you want them to be. In working with politicians, you have to start with where they are - where their model for political success has been - if you are going to get them where you ultimately want them to be.
I recently wrote a letter of support to a Republican State Senator who’s entire agenda I absolutely despise except for one item - he is in the forefront of a move to provide better and more accessible mental health care services for juveniles in this state. I have worked with kids through a bunch of non-profits for a lot of years - and I’ll take support like this anywhere I can find it!
He’s a great guy - and a good friend.
The hatred for basic democracy inside The Village is really stunning.
How will it happen, though? The Oligarchs, through their control of Legacy Media, seem very talented at turning Outsiders’ rage against each other. It’s hard to see — unless there are lots more books like yours, targetted at all sides of The Uprising — how all the wedges will come together.
The intersection seems so small, while the differences seem so large — and very much magnified in our culture.
I think that this Republican Senator is a good example. His stated policy positions are far-right. I don’t know - but usually when someone like that champions an issue that seems to be in complete opposition to their ideology, they usually have a family member or very close friend impacted by the (progressive) policy they are now putting forward.
Maybe we can use information like that (not personal) but putting faces and context onto issues as a way to advocate for them?
This is terrific news.
I remember when Dick Cheney shot Harry in the face. I could not believe all the FDL lurkers who started commenting about hunting, hunting birds, hunting birds in Texas, hunting penned birds in TX, the spray pattern on Cheney’s shot-gun, hunting safety. …
That is why we send Howie Klein to DeeCee occasionally to whisper “Al Wynn” in their ears.
Though it happened before I came on the scene, one of he most poitically maladroit moves EarthFirst! ever pulled was burning a flag at one of the annual Rondy’s. For an organization co-founded by a registered Republican, this piece of cultural redefinition sure seems to have squandered rural support that might otherwise have been diverted from the Wise Use astroturf movement and directed against the Owners.
David, does it seem to you that the Mountaintop Removal struggle has learned from EF!’s error and consciously sought to build cultural bridges with affected local comunities?
If so, does that have any implications for how progressives may successfully work with the “foot soldiers” you and Dave discuss? (and in so doing, neutralize the power the “leaders” and “hardcores” may wield?)
Welcome David; thanks for coming.
Agree.
I think the cons really sold the
shit out ofold Protestan/Catholic work ethic lie, that the rich get there, because they work harder. They got people all the way down the food chain believing and voting for the fabulously wealthy, because they thought it would trickle down.LMAO.
Dugg!
Your description of how let-down Congressional war opponents were by MoveOn was instructive, I thought, especially when you told about how MoveOn’s endorsement of the non-binding resolution was used in caucus deliberations to beat down objections.
Outsiders need to be careful about how their views will be used by Insiders to instruct natural allies Inside to be less responsive to Outsiders. This seems to happen when Outsiders try to play an Insider game — they get beat.
Yes - and I actually think the environmental movement has been one of the best at learning how to create cross-cultural, cross-partisan coalitions. I found this in particular in my work in Montana. See my two articles - one in The Washington Monthly one in the New York Times Magazine - for some bacgkround on what I am talking about.
Its a balance - I think the contrast between the Moveon chapter (ie. Moveon’s insider strategy) and the Working Families Party chapter shows that while organizations have to balance an inside-outside strategy, there is a difference between the former (getting too inside) and the latter (balancing it effectively and for maximum progressive power).
Thanks - I look forward to reading them. I’m also looking forward to reading your book - and buying it. Sorry for being remiss.
Will you be coming to the SF Bay Area on your book tour?
It’s tough to break through the Legacy Media, that’s for sure. I think one thing that’s important is that progressive outlets really get serious about supporting each other’s work, and progressive organizations. Without naming names, I’ll say that I’ve been somewhat underwhelmed by progressive media and organizations for my own work and the work of many allies I know. There is a territorialism that plagues our side that we have to get over. I think such territorialism is less pronounced on the conservative side. That’s probably because there’s simply more money on the conservative side (because, of course, when you represent money you can raise more money). But it is a big thing we have to work to get over. In my own work with the Progressive States Network, you’ll see that we spend at least 50% of our time promoting the work of others - and I try to do the same in my column.
Hello Mr. Sirota –
I have not yet read your book, although I certainly plan to do so. I think it is vitally important that both Republicans and Democrats rebuild their parties from the ground up to wrest control back from the big donor/corporate interests that currently control both parties. Honest debate is vital to democracy, and compromise is essential. One party rule eventually leads to ruin, no matter which party is in control. So I think finding common cause where possible with those with whom we disagree on other issues is a good way to go. Thanks for writing your book — I’m really looking forward to it.
I’m coming on 6/10 and 6/11. Check the full schedule at http://www.davidsirota.com/uprising - and spread the word!
Bipartisan commonground is definitely important - but I also see the need for transpartisanship - that is, activities outside the traditional electoral/partisan avenues. We need to reconnect with the concept of direct action.
Do you have any inkling whether there is an “other” Lou Dobbs? Is the character he plays on teevee — the one you describe so well in his own Death Star — the only personality in there?
His recent on-air confrontation with the fellow from Media Matters makes me wonder whether Lou will have continued success getting opponents to come on his program. I wonder if he’ll be more like O’Reilly — calling people “cowards” who couldn’t be bothered coming into the studio to get yelled at on the air.
Love that term.
One of the many lies that the neocons foisted upon the Legacy Media was that the rich were going to “rescue” the most vulnerable in the US through “charity.” A lot of the rural and urban poor are still waiting for that lifeboat so show up.
Dobbs is a very smart guy, unlike O’Reilly who I think is really a dim bulb. They are certaily similar in how thin-skinned they are.
I think what’s striking about Dobbs is not his immigration focus - but how he deliberately keeps his topics isolated so as to maximize his populist image. Notice, as I say in the book, he never connects his totally right-on critique of free trade with his critique of illegal immigration - even though the two issues are DIRECTLY connected. He doesn’t make the connection because to make it requires the admission that illegal immigration is fundamentally an issue of America having a deeply impoverished country on our border - a country that was made impoverished by imperialist trade policies. My guess is that Dobbs believes that’s too much of a humanitarian message for his target audience - and that’s an unfortunate calculation.
Woo-hoo!
And its a fundamentally disempowering message.
Guess I’ll have to trot on down to my local indy bookseller and order The Uprising.
I’m late to the party but before I backtrack to read the comments I’d like to say that it has been possible for me to discuss many of these issues with die hard Rethugs and been able to reach common ground on many of those issues. I think we can forge alliances with those of different stripes. I for one am certainly willing to try.
Teddy, I’m with you on the forced-birth issue. That’s gonna be tough nut to crack. And I certainly love the term “forced-birth” rather than pro-life. Much more definitive.
That myth was mangled after Katrina.
As it relates to issues like choice - I don’t think making common cause with people on specific issues of economic justice means that in other work we have to drop important issues like choice. Not at all. What the book talks about is the ability to make issue-based coalitions around the things we have in common.
The lesson there is not to have sex with pro-life advocates.
David,
Are you getting a good cross section of the people at your book signings?
Not sure I’m following you in your distinction between bipartisanship and transpartisanship, does the latter include direct action by definition? If so, I agree entirely. If bipartisanship means just voting for those chosen by party insiders, then we will continue to be stuck right where we are. But, I also think that exclusively engaging the extreme right wing, misses all the people in the middle who feel left out all the way around. We need to find a way not just to engage activists, but to make politics more accessible to the large fraction of the public who don’t feel they have any influence at all.
On that note, David — has the Working Families Party endorsed any forced-birth proponents, as far as you know? Although abortion rights aren’t at issue legislatively in New York State, won’t the party’s neutrality on the issue lead them to that kind of an endorsement sometime?
For instance, choice is a primary value of Blue America, the endorsement arm of FireDogLake, Digby, DownWithTyranny and Crooks & Liars. Unless a candidate takes a well publicized pro-choice stance, it’s my understanding that Blue America won’t endorse.
While the Democratic Party allows some “big-tent” apostasy on this issue, choice is still a core value for our party. How much bigger is the Working Families Party’s tent for their neutrality on choice?
Or does their neutrality simply allow voters who consider themselves “pro-life” to vote on the Working Families Party line, since those candidates aren’t, by definition, “pro-abortion?”
Yes - it’s been a great cross-section, actually. Now, I say that having only done 3 book events. So we’ll ultimately see. Getting the word out about this book has been particularly hard - even harder than my first book. I think that’s because the book is about something more complex than my first book - something that the media is really not comfortable covering. And I say that including the traditional outlets that tend to be open to liberals like NPR, WNYC, etc. Populism scares the Establishments of both the Left and Right, and so a book about populism requires a real grassroots effort to get it out there.
I don’t know the answer to that question - and it’s a good question. I know they have occasionally (very occasionally) endorsed Republicans who back their huge economic bills. But I don’t know if they’ve actually endorsed a pro-life Republican.
What I was trying to get at is the idea that we can go beyond the political/electoral arena - beyond the arenas demarcated by R & D. Forming a union in your workplace, for instance, has nothing to do with Republican or Democrat - it is direct action outside the political sphere.
Do you have a link to your book tour you can share with us?
Yes - book tour schedule can be found at http://www.davidsirota.com/uprising
Thanks for the clarification — I appreciate it!
And thanks again for the tour schedule : )
How do you do that in the face of decades of Republican passed legislation designed to obstruct and in some cases make impossible the formation of a union.
The idea the oligarchy, I’m not sure what we are calling it this week, is going to let you organize is a fiction.
This is why grass-roots control of the Democratic Party is a goal of many; so we can pick the legislators we elect and avoid the liked of Heath Shuler.
Have you had an opportunity to talk to your Working Families Party contacts about their new Governor, David Paterson?
We are very impressed with his stance on out-of-state marriage recognition, but I wonder how that will play with some members of the WFP coalition?
This thread is now 7 minutes behind.
I’ll read it later.
Best on your tour David.
Oh I don’t discount that Republican legislation has made it harder to organize a union. But the right to organize is still protected. The broader point, however, is that there are plenty of ways - both inside the electoral arena and outside the electoral arena - to really be part of this uprising, and really bring about change. We delude ourselves if we think the only way to make change is to deal in the candidate/electoral/party world.
Not yet - but I am seeing them at events this week and that’s something I want to talk to them about. I think Paterson has created a bit of a power vacuum on economic issues - and I actually think that provides terrific opportunitites for pressure for a well-organized party like the WFP.
I couldn’t agree more.
David,
Yesterday I pulled an old book off my shelf to read just for fun. It’s Harold Faulker’s The Quest for Social Justice, about a similar time in our history a hundred years ago. It was published in 1931 and captures the Progressive Movement on the eve of its transformation into the New Deal coalition. What is striking is how permanent the problems are, and how much of that history was swept under the rug after 1950.
Interesting - I’ll pick up the book!
Anyone know if there has been any attempt to unionize US workers who write code for software/middleware? It’s easy (and usually a lot less expensive) to buy code written “off-shore.”
So what kind of changes do you envision outside of the candidate/electoral/party world? Don’t uprisings ultimately seek to alter the political order and to create a new political order?
What kind of response did you get at your book signing yesterday? I am curious since the Philly area suburbs are slowly turning blue(and seem more receptive to DLC’ism right now).
FYI: Am listening to AirAmerica in NY area, and Sam Seder just announced his next guest will be David Sirota!
Well put, Teddy. David, looking forward to reading your book and learning how to frame my own communication. I notice even in my personal social network, we AVOID political discussions rather than finding common ground. How sad is that?
Global corporate imperialism … as we ALL struggle with our economic woes, the patriarchal corporate-run American government keeps on enslaving. We need a paradigm shift from a patriarchal system to a partnership system. I TOTALLY AGREE. The right wedged successfully and exploited their own strange bedfellows (using the abortion issue, for one).
Edwards emphasis on 2 Americas gave me hope. I wanted him to do some channelling anger intelligently and reducing privitization and corporate profiteering. That old documentary about The Corporation.. the legal person … the legal super rich person with the psychopathic personality profile.
I think the consciousness raising of the manipulation of the MSM is a big step.
OK folks - I’ve gotta run. I’ve gotta spend a bit of time with my family before I’m on CNN at 10:30pm tonight talking about the book. I really, truly appreciate you all being here - and thanks a ton to FDL for hosting this. If you have any follow up questions, feel free to post them at The Uprising Book Club on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=17933875099 - or go to http://www.davidsirota.com/uprising and shoot me an email.
I hope you will buy the book - and tell all your friends about it. This book is going to rely on grassroots support.
Had about 110 people out. It was great!
For those who follow I F Stone’s dictum to “read from the back,” I’d like to point out that David Sirota’s book has a robust endnotes section of more than thirty pages.
David, you’ve mentioned Saul Alinsky more than once. Could you reference some his work(s) that you quote or refer to? Rules for Radicals is a great organizing primer but there are more numerous writings.
More unions, more protests, more shareholder democracy, more product boycotts - more, in short, direct action.
Well, thank you David,
and thanks Teddy
and Bev
Much appreciated.
David thank you for spending the time with us this afternoon and good luck with the tour and book sales.
Rules for Radicals and Reveille for Radicals are the two great books. But also, to get a view of the scope of his work, read Sanford Horwitt’s “Let Them Call Me Rebel.”
Great salon, thank you David and Teddy.
Thanks for being here and for answering so many questions! Best of luck…
Tell me about it. My little dot com adventure ended with programmers in Russia, before the jump to India.
Chapter Eight of The Uprising (”Dilberts of the World, Unite”) covers efforts to organize permatemp codewriters and testers at Microsoft, among others, in the Pacific Northwest.
Hi David, and thank you, Teddy!
I’ve been lurking, waiting for things to slow down.
David, I’ve been keeping an eye on you for about 3 years, and particularly when you moved to DenCo. I’m from there, born and raised. I sent you Welcome emails, tho I live in SW CO now, and I’m wondering how you are liking it in DenCo. I left cause it was too red for me on so many different levels, but particularly politically.
I haven’t finished your book yet, but it’s great so far and I’m so hoping all you are writing about is getting ready to happen in DC, with the election of Obama.
I just want to say that you have a following that may be bigger than you know, that you are doing great and necessary work for all of us, and I want to thank you for all you do.
Thank you all. One other thing I forgot to ask - make sure to post your reviews of the book at Amazon when you have them. The book is only 4 days old, so there aren’t any reviews up there. So it would be great if when you read it you post a brief customer review there. Thanks!
Thanks David. After yesterday it’s nice to get a little positive inspiration.
Peace
Sounds like a good chapter for geeks to download :)
Thank you so much for your time today, David, and for your thoughtful answers and discussion here. I will definitely write an Amazon review, and I encourage others here to do the same as they finish reading your book.
Pushing progressive writers’ work into the mainstream depends upon all of us, firepups. You can buy a copy, ask your local library to buy a copy, recommend the book to friends, attend a signing or discussion in your area, suggest it to your book circle, review it for your local independent bookstore, and carry it proudly on mass transit! All these things help — and we are the ones who can make it happen.
Thanks to all for the great discussion, and to Bev for all her help!
I’m neutered so it don’t matter.
David, thank you for stopping by the Lake and spending the afternoon.
Teddy, thank you again for hosting David’s book salon.
Everyone, this is an excellent book, and I recommend buying it, there is a link above on the book image.
Thanks again
David, thank you for The Uprising and all your work.
Teddy, thanks for hosting today - and Bev, thanks for all you do to anchor FDL’s Book Salons.
Good on all of ‘ya!
David,
Thanks for your time today. It sounds like your book is consistent with what I have been hearing, one on one for the last year. Here in central Texas people are more than fed up. They are disgusted. I find, more often than not, people just want to have a conversation about addressing issues. Any conversation. With anyone willing to engage. Less and less often is the “I’m right you’re wrong” attitude encountered. So much of the time the attitude is “let’s talk about it and see what we come up with”. There may be more of a movement building than is apparent yet.
Thanks Teddy!
Mr.Cbl
One message here is that perhaps we can find common ground with other Americans we’ve learned to dislike, and who’ve learned to dislike us, intensely. Can we overcome our mutual, and sometimes well-earned, antipathy for our fellow Americans with whom we have an narrow intersection on a particular issue? Whether we can will determine the portrait of the uprising at it emerges.
Alright Neuro you are getting creative in your digging for the Lake and posters!!!
Hear Hear !
*standing on chair and applauding*
I meant all Americans, of course — not just USAmericans!
Thursday’s GRITtv had a panel and part of the discussion was about movements (no, not that kind of movement). Very informative. While I think mass demonstrations have their place a lot of the work of organizing is now done on the intertoobz. David’s book fits into the discussion quite well. One thing about all this progressive energy is that my little indy bookseller, Haslam’s in St Petersburg, sure is getting a lot of my dough. Just from today’s post I’ve got to add 4 books to my library.
NorthAmericans, SouthAmericans, CentralAmericans … Bravo !
“There may be more of a movement building than is apparent yet.”
Yes, I agree, we’re seeing manifestations, including a growing influence of a progressive movement, which is archetypal and so will be worldwide, especially March, 2010-April, 2011.
David, thank you for coming to the Lake. I believe you’re tuned in to the zeitgeist. I appreciate your ability to see the connections between various seemingly unrelated events and phenomena. Congrats on your appearance on the Colbert Report!
The die hards I interact with are good people. My experience is that few of them have really thought about what they support. When they express themselves it’s like I’m listening to the wingnut pundits. It isn’t really hard to break through that veneer once I point out the fallacy of the argument. Facts are wonderful things. Some just don’t want to hear it so I move on. Not much into banging my head against a wall.
Tariq Ali on Democracy Now! the other day talked about Central and South America being laboratories for democracy. Even he was surprised about the direction Paraquay is taking. Very encouraging.
David Sirota’s Colbert appearance, and his commentary thereon.
Oh, thanks for that. I was just going to search for a clip.
The poor and downtrodden know that Democracy is their best bet. For the last 40 years, perhaps longer, American Foreign Policy has been to stymie democracy, not spread it, as they frequently tell the American citizens …
If you’ve ever watched Robert Newman’s “History of Oil” he talks at length about America’s “bringing democracy to the Middle East.” Very entertaining and informative film.
HI all — Hi David — if you want to see more of David on tv — check out the GRITtv episode with David and Danny Glover among others…fun stuff. (David you were great. Thanks for coming on. A one-on-one with David alone will appear later this week… http://grittv.org/.
My question — After the Dems’ meeting this weekend: Do you think the net result will be more or less Uprising among Dems?
Teddy/Mods, someone is making disparaging remarks against Marcy on this thread … can you do something about it ?
Oops, I wasn’t paying attention to the time. David’s gone. Interesting conversation folks. lots more to be had.
Thanks, Laura!
Thanks, Petro, I passed it along…
Thanks
TSFTeddy Partridge.I know that Marcy’s a big girl and can handle her own matters but that commenter has been flinging poo for several days now.
There are commenters on both sides guilty of doing so, but he crossed a sacred line for me just now …
Please ask Jane to have a word with Jeralyn about Paul’s conduct.
I apologize for getting to this party too late to take part in the main event, but I would like to note that Mr. Sirota’s Uprising is a real phenomena and that this anti-corporate sentiment raises its head in unexpected places.
In 2005, the town I live in, Lafayette, Louisiana, conducted a referendum on whether our municipally-owned utility system should be able to sell $125 million in bonds to finance a fiber to the home project. Our community has seriously bought into the idea that the widespread availability of information technology is the path to community development and economic growth in the 21st Century.
What is relevant about the election (which we proponents of the project won 68% to 32%) was that we had a Republican Parish (county) president openly campaigning against distant corporate interests who did not have the interests of our community at heart. He distinguished between corporate capitalism and small business capitalism, the “mom and pop” businesses.
Those of us progressives who were involved in the campaign were surprised by the amount of anti-corporate sentiment in this community. What is striking is that about this same time (2005) Lafayette was ranked as one of the top-ten most conservative communities in the country. So, this uprising is real and it cuts across established political divisions, opening the way to new alliances.
I look forward to reading the book.
New and unexpected alliances are what The Uprising is made of; thanks, Mike, for this information about Lafayette. I think you’ll like David’s story about the small business owner who is tired of competing against other landscapers who undercut him because they use workers for whom they pay no workers comp or benefits. While he wants “the feds” off his back, he wants them on his competitors’ — and for real reasons of competition, as well as his perceived sense of right and wrong.
Enjoy the book — it’s remarkably well-written. And terribly important to understanding how we go forward, as you discovered in your own community. If you have a chance, head over to David’s own site; I think he’d like to hear your story, in case his busy schedule doesn’t bring him back around here soon.
Wow just watched David Sirota on CNN.. He was great just like he was here!