What??

Fritz Fred

Do bruises turn purple so soon?

oh good grief!

Is this for real?

These people are getting stupid and Hillary needs to tell them to stop right now. It harms the Dem party (not that she seems to care about that) and it also harms her.

I agree with her on two points… 1) we’ve only had two winners in 40 years, and, 2) the party elite does suck…! ;-)

I cannot, for the life of me, understand the mindset that drives women like this, or Geraldine Ferraro, or Harriet Christian. I can understand a rage at how Clinton was treated, but with all that, she still could have had it, but for her own mistakes.

But the rage is pretty scary.

oh, too funny - other choices of youtubes included above include “Hillary telling the truth about sniper fire.” take a look!

Nice Digg!
Thanks egr!

Can you Digg it?

Those are very dark bruises considering she was ejected shortly before this was taped. Odd.

Do we really want people like that? Mindless, incoherent ragers? At best, I say put the aikido on them.

(((CT)))) right on. Point three acitivism is good. Manhandling is not. I support the right to protest these folks do not know how to act as police. If they were allowed in what do you expect. Not good.

Oops, looks like my Digg didn’t register. Please ignore my link at 11 and use newtonusr’s link or the Digg button above.

(No.)

I feel sorry for this person. She’s been misled by the Clinton campaign.
Why did Hillary feel it necessary to bus in supporters and demonstrators for today’s meeting?

Very sad, all around.

How will we come together in November without leadership from all the defeated candidates?

Thanks Jane, Watched most of this on C-Span. Should have watched it on MSNBC missed all the after talk. But your videos are great. Can anybody tell me where to go on You tube to watch some of this stuff. I’m pretty much a novice when it comes to looksing up stuff on the net. I have my blogs and thats it. LOl Grandma has a problem.

Peeps like this can just take their idiocy elsewhere, IMO. They can be replaced, by orders of magnitude.

I truly believe that Hillary is going to be ignored. Don’t see how they can do anything else. If she wants to campaign for Obama, fine, otherwise she is going to be shut out.

I am happy to let their energy flow by, but somehow I don’t think they’ll ever feel heard; they’ll always look outward for the source of their problems, and then blame it all on Obama.

At least:

1) she didn’t claim to have been bruised by Obama supporters
2) we can all agree that the party leadership really does suck

Still, the idea that Obama should get zero votes/delegates for Michigan reflects a truly Bushian level of foul play. I wonder if Tanya Harding was one of her former physical education students.

Oh, Jane. I love the music on your clip.

I would rather not have her campaign. I don’t trust her.

Bravo MP !

Where were these people last year when the DNC ruled the delegations wouldn’t be seated? Why wait to protest that two states (that these women Jane taped do not live in) would have less the full slate of delegates at the convention?

I don’t understand them.

((((( Loo Hoo )))))

How many days ’til Wednesday ? *g*

Expediency, pure and simple. Were the tables turned, Hillaristas would be loudly and haughily arguing the reverse.

I think it’s very easy to view this as if the shoe were on the other foot…what if this were an Obama supporter? Would we say she was scary and rage-filled? No. Would we contemplate the length of time it takes bruises to turn purple? I don’t know…but I don’t think so.

Operation Chaos…or…Operation Stupid…or Operation Obama’s a scary Muslim in disguise..or…Obama is a scary black man.

I don’t know.

What I do know is that the primary rules, and the committee, etc., are not democratic.

Let the people vote on whatever day they need to vote. Then count the vote, and ban all electronic voting machines.

Scrap the electoral system all together for all parties.

I truly believe that Hillary is going to be ignored. Don’t see how they can do anything else. If she wants to campaign for Obama, fine, otherwise she is going to be shut out.

I saw an article a day or two ago (sorry no link) about how Clinton would be greeted and treated in the Senate after her campaign. Wih her ongoing scorched earth approach, I wonder if even the Senate’s clubby atmosphere will be enough to overcome the bad feelings she is engenderng. These protests at the Rules meeting today remind me of the Republican “riot” during the 2000 Florida recount, just an overt attempt to force an outcome rather than play by the rules.

Where were these people last year when the DNC ruled the delegations wouldn’t be seated?

they with Hillary, saying the elections were for naught

the question is why/how have these people been activated since???

they volunteer to appear as an argument created as a last resort… Hillary didn’t think she needed rule breakers, MI or FL until, well, she did….

they are rule breakers… now very vocal rule breakers

Don’t underestimate the influence of the Limbaugh effect.

Hi Megpiepie1 (is there more than one megpiepie, really?)

When I want to find something on YouTube I just type the thing and then youtube, like *”Hillary” Youtube*

Usually the google serves it up - someone more savvy with YouTube might be able to assist you more.

Welcome to the Lake. :D

FWIW, HRC is not acting appreciably different than Teddy Kennedy acted in ‘80.

Given how that turned out, it is not a particular positive action but there are precedents for it.

My thinking too.

Dean, Edwards, Kennedy, Dodd, Richardson, Biden, GORE.

Are you saying that these women are ditto-ettes?

I see their anger, and I recognize it; it is a very universal anger many women carry.

I think they are fighting passionately for what they truly believe is right for their country, and applaud them for it.

That’s what it is all about. Right?

I can’t pass judgement without seeing how much of a fight she put up.

I don’t want Hillary — and her legions of supporters — shut out. I want them supporting, working, canvassing, phonebanking, and VOTING for the Democratic nominee for President.

How to get this schoolteacher and her cohort to do that is Barack Obama’s summer puzzle.

And all of ours, actually.

Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, WEDNESDAY!!!

Love ya, Petro.

I know it sounds cruel, but I think the SD’s are letting Hillary and her supporters implode. The supporter above is an example of that. It is obvious to me that a lot of SD’s(for whatever reason), don’t like the Clintons. The problem is that despite that, they don’t want to piss them off. Or make mortal enemies(see the Judas comment by Carville). It is obvious to me that they hope that Obama will cross over the line with out the remaining SD’s help(not counting a specific few like Reid and Pelosi). I believe just enough will back Obama by Tuesday night so he can declare victory.

Another aspect of this that I do not see discussed is would Clinton and her supporters be making the same arguments now if her and Obama’s positions were reversed? What I find disturbing in the Clinton campaign is how it uses so many tactics that we have come to associate with the Republicans: win at all costs, one rule for us, another for you, etc.

And caucuses are too free for all. Primaries, please.

I don’t think Obama would be out there screaming about injustice etc if he was trailing by 200 delegates. whatever the number is now.

The supporters are not even listening to reason. They just mad. And Hil is fanning the flames with her “count the votes” stuff instead of honoring the process to select the party candidate.

Hil has damaged her credibility so badly that I’m going to question anything presented by any of her supporters.

Except that Teddy has made amends(for the most part). How Hillary behaves from here on out will be telling. Will she be as classy as Don Fowler was today?

Sorry, was saying that the powers that be in the party are simply not going to know what to do with her. I hope she will campaign for Obama and that her supporters will get behind him. Whatever these women are mad about, Obama didn’t do it.

wow - do I sense romance in the air?

Not going to happen … just letting you know … and hi, btw

someone made a comment earlier about settling this now and letting Hil’s supporters “mourn”. Perhaps this acting out is part of that.

The other problem is … if she was anyone else .. she would have been Huckabee’d after TX(because while Obama has not clinched .. the math heavily favored him) .. if not before .. it is only because of who she is .. that the media even covers her

Do you like the Texas Two-Step PriCaucus?

True but Teddy did not make amends until after Carter lost the election to Reagan.

He fought all the way up to and through the convention when the delegate count was no where near as close as this one is. He fought the rules committee and credential committee. He tried to get pledged delegates to flip from Carter to him.

I’m not saying what HRC is doing is correct and good, just that there is a precedence where a Democratic Party icon took a whole lot of actions that helped submarine the changes of the party’s nominee.

Right! She keeps spending the money and keeps campaigning because she can. It’s so compulsive.

*sniff* … I feel betrayed honored … *g*

when people no longer care what someone else has to say it is a time for the party to close down.

when people can no longer can offer a question and have it be received as geniune.

when people can no longer offer an opinion and want a differing opinion back.

when people can no longer offer an environment where these things are considered normal, then how can you ask why do we not agree………the you have teh nerve to ask, why there is war?

i read the comments and i think, and think again, and then don’t comment at all. which thing to comment on first, i forsake thee………..

i’ll wait for everyone to get out of whatever sludge house you’ve entered into. the lake used to be a clear spring to swim into, not anymore. how come? well, how come?

election posers?

opinionated asshats?

people pleasers?

people with a problem not able to be expressed in their real lives?

an agenda not being addressed elsewhere>

well, whatever it is, i’ll wait it out until it gets back to public discourse, the kind that enlightened my mind and inspired me, until then, it’s just crap.

those of you who don’t fit this description, you know who you are.

back to radio silence, many are glad, no conscience to remind you of what you have become.

it’s sad.

Maybe, maybe not, but the fact is the Obama supporters were NOT disruptive and didn’t need to be thrown out. Apparently the campaign very specifically asked their supporters to be respectful.

And for me, yeah, if this was an Obama supporter acting like a butt head and then like a (TRex has an acronym for it, right?)I actually would be calling BS on their behavior.

FunnyD

Ideological romance, jacqrat.

Jane, I’m thrilled with the bang-bang video blogging from the scene! Really great job you’re doing there!

they’re not going to mourn, they’re going to work for McCain … I think you’re all underestimating this … It’s bigger than Hillary, I think there’s going to be a new women’s movement built from this … I’ve been reading the blogs of young woman that are horrified by the violent, misogynistic language used against hillary and her supporters and I don’t think they’ve really dealt with this blatant sexism before. I believe we’re entering a new phase in feminism …

Not that kind of Love … the kind that lasts … you know, friendship …

I have resisted going to broadband so youtubes are usually beyond me, but I have to admit that Hillary’s Downfall is a guilty pleasure. *g*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6Lstkiexhc

You are my idol, Bob. What can I say.

Makes me dizzy.

it is only because of who she is .. that the media even covers her

That, and to portray us as disorganized.

and jane thx for these vignettes … I was supposed to be there but I company this weekend

No, I’m saying to be suspicious of everything….yeah…that’s what I’m saying…be suspicious of everything that happens during an election. If people had been more vigilant in 2000, things might have been different now…

There is such a thing as an “agitator”. I don’t know if the woman is an “agitator” or not…but I do know that these people disrupted the committee hearing today…

Rush Limbaugh, just for one example, has asked his listeners to “agitate” to influence the democratic process. In fact, he asked his listeners to actually “riot”…He is inciting “riots” at the Democratic Convention in Denver….and what did they shout????? Denver, Denver, Denver….

I’ve been to this rodeo before….maybe the lady was for real…maybe not..if she was for real and was bruised in that way, she needs to take legal action.

The problem is that it is really hard to tell just off the cuff…especially, with the fanaticism….

I’m a woman, but I sure as hell am not going to riot because a woman doesn’t get elected. I want the best person in the job. Whether they have a prick or not is not a factor…They can’t rule with their genitals for Chrisssakes….that is ridiculous.

Just sayin’.

Petechiae are small viens that can easily bruise, it happens almost instantly. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petechia

Hey … who’re you calling an idiot ?!! *g*

I think we’re beginning to see the birth of the third wave of feminist movements, I”m just sorry I can’t call betty friedan up to confer with her .. it’s beyond hillary, believe me

Um.. a new women’s movement… that votes for McCain?

What…*unt, Trollops for McCain????

They’ve got a rude awakening…”my friends”…

I think this community started out to be a diverse group of democrats. I supported Hillary until Bosnia. Many Edwards supporters went to Obama, along with other folks including Clinton supporters.

I don’t understand your disappointment, dmac.

That’s interesting…(not snark, promise). it’s too bad if they think they will find a home with mccain. perhaps they will pull a lieberman.

I can’t stand it. I hate it when people play victim when they are not winning. When people choose with their own free will a different outcome than the one the “victim” wants. If the voters truly matter, then the candidate will respect the outcome and the decision of all the voters, not just her supporters or whatever.

I’m glad you used the word “birth,” because that’s a word those young women will come to know better after McCain’s next two Supreme Court appointments.

There was real effort by good people in this meeting today to reach a compromise and unify the Party. The demonstrators that were chanting Denver, Denver, Denver were rude, sophomoric and acting like spoiled adolescents. They interupted the panel and disrupted a well run proceeding. Harold Ickes was the only panelist that was equally beligerent. No one got what they asked for. It’s called compromise. It’s time for the party to being to come together behind the nominee and concentrate on November. The time for acting like children is over.

opinionated asshats?

Present.

Hi dmac. Evening all.

If these women screaming with very ugly expressions on their faces are the new feminists I will gladly NOT join. Been working for womens’ causes for a long, long time and I’m sorry but I just don’t approve of their behavior.

1,859 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…

Citizen Hamsher and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:

Let’s take stock of what we have seen today and try and make some sense of it in the larger context for ALL of us regular folks who hafta live with the consequences of bad political decisions and bad politicians.

First the fake protests in the room by agents provocateurs that I believe was staged and orchestrated by Harold Ickes and “she who should forever remain nameless”. My first thought as the afternoon wore on and the M*Clinton crowd got less and less civil was “gee, this is gettin ta look a lot like the Florida recount”. Indeed, the M*Clinton strategy for the last three-four months has been to splinter the majority who have been honestly lookin for compromise to satisfy some perceived grievances on the part of the losin’ side and then isolate the remainin’ base of the winning side in order to win a rump procedure based on a flawed political process. That is, in fact, the fascist strategy that we have seen implemented since Murry Chotiner and Richard Nixon in the late 1950’s in the US and, of course perfected in 1932 by the Nazis at the end of Wiemar.

Second, the refusal of the M*Clinton faction to accept a decision of the majority in a democratic process after proclaimin’ their willingness to submit to that self-same democratic process now defines the losin’ candidate and her remainin’ supporters. Make no mistake, this is the end of the M*Clintons as a legitimate force in the Democratic Party…Mr. and Mrs. Bill now lead a faction, an amorphous group the remnants of which are willin’ to take to the streets and attempt to create mob chaos by provocative acts of even physical violence against their opponents.

Finally, we have seen the true character of Mrs. M*Clinton and the tragedy of this revelation lies with those who were convinced to follow her to the bitter end and are left isolated in the debris of the fight after havin’ been used and tossed away by their megalomaniac leader. We have witnessed a titanic battle between the old Democratic Party power brokers and their corporate bosses and a “new” Democratic Party decentralized and nationalized power base. Today marks the end of the old and the beginnin’ of the new. To those M*Clinton supporters who find themselves isolated,alone and leaderless on the field, your brothers and sisters in the new Democratic Party stand with hands outstretched, bring your values and politics home and leave your old leader to withdraw to her friendly confines of multi-millionaire retirement.

KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE FINAL BATTLE HAS BEGUN!!

Petechiae are small red spots on the skin that occur when small vessels break. The discoloration accompanying bruising is usually referred to as a hematoma.

ROFL … Comic Gold !

see my comments along the way, it’s way bigger than hillary … it’s that pent up anger you get when you’re an older woman and you’ve worked your ass off … and the boss comes in with some young guy that does not have the time on the job you do, and does not have the knowledge of the job you do, and only wears that little smirk that the boss likes, and then the boss says, this is your new boss, and you gotta train him … and he makes a lot more money than you do, and he never really learns to do the job, just stays there long enough to get enough creds for the NEXT job he can schmooze his way into … and your stuck there, with your low wages and all that skill and knowledge just waiting for that next manchild the boss brings in to put over you ….

and then all the boys make those snide remarks about you … your body, your sexuality, everything …

believe me, it’s a third wave of feminism … read the blogs of the 20 something women … they’re beginning to see the violent remarks from their boyfriends … and they’re beginning to think, wow, maybe mom and her friends didn’t solve it all yet …

believe me, it’s bigger than Hillary …

Thanks twain. May I sit with you?

I don’t support disingenuous gameplayers who play with their supporters emotions. male or female.

Me neither, Twain. It is pitiable.

I’m not saying what HRC is doing is correct and good, just that there is a precedence where a Democratic Party icon took a whole lot of actions that helped submarine the changes of the party’s nominee.

And therein is the cautionary tale.

FunnyD

“First the fake protests in the room by agents provocateurs that I believe was staged and orchestrated by Harold Ickes and “she who should forever remain nameless”.

Ding Dong, Bingo, High Five, Full House, Royal Flush.

They said they were going to do it….helloooo Theatrics…BS….

You nailed it Norske.

I agree it was putzy a disruptive protest bussed in seems inapropriate. A deliberate embarrassment of Hillary’s party. But is it a big deal? What about the party that regularly protests at Democratic conventions…LaRue?

it ain’t mc cain … it’s the disrespect, it’s bigger than hillary … believe me

Hey LS, you stole my slogan ! *g*

You saved it!!! bwahahahahahaha! thanks. I needed that. I was going with Thelma and Louise.

Does anyone know who the people were who threw these women out of the meeting?

Can I suggest a title … “Stepford Wives For McCain”

Brutal! Funny, too.

bless you, Teddy.

I’ve tried so hard to keep out of this. But.

Hillary supporters, whatever you think of Hillary, demographically, have gotten screwed. They’ve endured class hatred, gender hatred, being tossed under the bus for whatever the Moderates are pushing for, and thirty years of watching their lives and the prospects for their children declining with practically no-one pushing back.

If they’ve decided that she’s the answer, then her opponent hasn’t done a good job of convincing him that he’s the answer (and I have to say, I’ve seen a great deal of casual contempt from his supporters that hasn’t helped).

There are an awful lot of people in this society getting screwed. A substantial number of them think she’s more likely to help them than he is. The answer is not to talk about what idiots they are. The answer is (since he wants to help the people who have been left behind, right?) to tell them how he wants to help them.

I see them both as roughly the same on the issues. I want a Democrat to win this race. If it’s going to be him, he’s going to have to tell her supporters that he wants them and understands their problems.

That being the case, it doesn’t serve him or his message at all for his supporters or his campaign to do a sack dance on her supporters.

Please. This is an election. It’s not a hydrant.

jayt at 76

well, at least you admit it, and that’s the kind of company i keep.

Good thing they didn’t try to take her chair!

I grew up on British humor - Norman Wisdom, The Carry On Gang, Benny Hill - so I love this stuff !

Very classy, thank you!

The compliant ones, maybe. The angry ones? I dunno…

yes.

anyone suggest this might be a republican setup?

does this women have a backround?

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I’m glad you used the word “birth,” because that’s a word those young women will come to know better after McCain’s next two Supreme Court appointments.

…. veto proof majority in the senate …. i know that’s in the axelrod memo about what to threaten women with, Scotus, I only have those 6 words… VETO PROOF MAJORITY IN THE SENATE … that is where my time and money is going.

Sorry….

It’s a hellovva slogan!!

I especially think that *unt part….makes the shackles rise up…must include that most heinous description….

will they listen?

Very eloquent, Julia. thanks.

i really don’t think so (that it’s repub). else the clinton people would have been all over it. hil is going all the way to the convention.

you can’t even get Russ Feingold to vote No on a Bush Supreme. Good luck with that.

Yes, LS did. And I have my suspicions also.

I see them both as roughly the same on the issues. I want a Democrat to win this race. If it’s going to be him, he’s going to have to tell her supporters that he wants them and understands their problems.

That being the case, it doesn’t serve him or his message at all for his supporters or his campaign to do a sack dance on her supporters.

In all fairness to Obama, he has reached out to her supporters… At what juncture has he not tried to…?

The funny thing is that Repugs still support someone who’d use that language so readily in public …