Jane!!!!!

Do tell us more of what happened. How can Don Fowler act with such class and people like Harold Ickes have no class whatsoever?

Jane! Thanks so much for being there!!!

One question: what does it mean that Sen. Clinton reserves the right to appeal to the Credentials Committee? What are the practical implications? Does it mean we may still have to deal with a floor fight of some sort in Denver?

One more time: THANK YOU!!!

I like the giggle at the end Jane. :)

Hopefully she’s a fringe opinion.

What a vicious, mean-spirited woman. She shames Hillary.

Charming. Simply charming.

So much for this uniting the factions. I really think this was the plan all along for the Clinton campaign. They need time and fuel more than delegates right now.
Next step, find the button to move the SDs.

I can be called white, but you can’t be called crazy.

With surrogates like Harriet, I think we can assume that at least some of the angry Clinton supporters might come home.

Thanks for being there Jane. I worry how many women are out there like Harriet.

A little civility, please, Harriet.

Call me Ishmael … she’s given us more than just a “shmear” she went ahead and buried the sandwich in a whole bottle of mustard.

For a minute I thought she was Taylor Marsh.

Ok, so will someone please, and not Jane, cause she has enough on her hands, do the math and tell me how much this changed the totals??

I’ve got news for you, Harriet… Obama will be the next Prez…! ;-)

Drive by …

Shorter Lanny Davis and Harriet Christian:

“I hate you. I hate you all.” (stomps feet)
“How dare you not do what I want.” (holds breath … till blue in face)
“Where’s my pony?!?”
“Where’s my candy?!?”

———————

http://blip.tv/file/942863

Way too many feel that way. It’s going to be rough for Obama, Hillary followed very close to a nuclear strategy, making sure if she went down Obama would be unelectable. This is the result.

I used to believe that Hillary would work with Obama if he won, now I’m not so sure.

Boxturtle (Perhaps she’d like the VP slot on McBush’s ticket?)

Digg

Perhaps HRC wants McCain to win so she can run against him in 2012.

The Stump at the New Republic said that many of the Hillary supporters thought that Hillary would win the delegate count if MI and FL were seated. Harriet must have been one of the supporters interviewed.

I have read that Hillary will gain 29 delegates because of today’s decisions.

Chuck Todd says new target 2118. (If I understand the question.)

Heh, well my wife is a Hillary supporter but will vote for Obama in the General… Aloha, Ma’am!

that has been the subject of some speculation

Don’t forget to include Harold Ickes in that group.

Hillary gained 27 delegates, and is now 173 behind. Obama needs 20 more supers (from a pool of 200+) assuming an even split of the remaining 86 pledged delegates from Puerto Rico, South Dakota, and Montana.

Well…at least this place isn’t as toxic as Daily Kos or HuffingtonPost.

Is it possible any of them were part of “Operation Chaos”?

Anyone who is stupid enough to vote for McCain, no matter who you are is…just not using the old shinnoggin…

Perhaps!!!??? You’re only realizing this now?

THANKS, I can not seem to find any updated numbers yet. Seems like lots of the MSM and even major blogs went to dinner or changed shifts. The news was here first for sure!

The “Bad Seed” would be about her age now, would she not?

New magic number: 2,118

Current totals with MI/FL:
Obama: 2,052
Clinton: 1,877.5

If McCain wins, there won’t be a 2012.

Hiya Betsy!

Only shrill right wing types like Andrew Sullivan dared to suggest that before … now I bet there are some Democrats that might agree

ummmm

excuse me.

this woman does NOT speak for me.

she’s not there for me.
or anyone i know………

thanks for posting this jane.
as we move ever closer to the reality.

Shalom CT.

JTMinIA, no, I am just not sure if I believe it 100%.

Hey Doodle! Free for lunch monday? I am off at 1:15.

Obama is going to win SD and Montana .. If Obama lost SD .. Daschle would not look very good … and I don’t think he wants to be in the dog house

So, Jane. Was that your giggle at the end?

Hello out there in Hillary Land. the primaries are for the party to select its candidate. it’s not the GE. Oh yeah, i’m not hillary. never mind.

After tuesday- the public part of this debate may disappear as the candidates concentrate on winning//rewinning superdelegates…that should happen quietly in backrooms and nice restuarants.

In public they may be very huggy.

Stelllllllaaaaa!!!!

Wexler on CNN.

Better they should focus on beating McCain.

i know that was jane.

i recognized the voice (read energy)
lol

Looked little spittle shot outta her mouth when she barked, “…a BLACK man!!”

Seriously…it’s really a good thing for the long term to have this stuff come to the fore. My kids watch this kind of thing and roll their eyes and wonder what’s wrong with these people. It’s ugly to see, but necessary nonetheless for society to move past it.

Aargh, Wolfie is gonna let Ickes vent some more on CNN…! Gah, is there no end…?

dshrnkr May 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
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Here’s the thing, I was trying to sort it all out in the shower. The reason there isn’t one easy solution is because there isn’t one easy problem. There are at least four.

Group One’s Problem. Lets give them the name (and why not?) Hilly. They represent the people who came out and voted for their candidate whose name was on the ballot. They want their vote to count, which makes perfect sense. It’s a democracy and they did what democrats are supposed to do.

but then we have Group Two’s Problem. Let’s call this group Obi. They represent the people whose candidate was NOT on the ballot that day, so they either wrote him in or voted for someone else or took a republican ballot in order to make the other side weaker. They didn’t have a chance to make their vote count, so they don’t want the primary to count and this makes perfect sense too.

Next we have Group Three’s Problem. Lets call them Abstainy. They didn’t vote on primary day because they thought their vote wouldn’t count and/or their candidate wasn’t on the ballot and they excised their right to choose by not choosing. They don’t want other people’s choice to count more than their no-choice choice, since they didn’t get their choice. This makes perfect sense also.

Finally we have group four. Lets call them “no opinions”. The N.O.’s didn’t vote on primary day because they really didn’t care or have a preference. Their lack of vote is an ACTUAL lack of vote, not a demonstration of the flawed primary. They don’t think their failure to vote should be counted as anything. And who can blame them? This makes perfect sense.

So what would make, Hilly, Obi, Abby and NO happy? Not the same thing. Hilly and Abby would be happy if their votes and NON votes counted with equal weight. Obi and NO want nobody’s votes to count since theirs can’t be accurately reflected. What is the solution? Is one of these groups more important then the other? Its theoretically possible that everybody’s voice is more important than NO’s, since doing something for a decision should probably matter more than doing nothing. But each group has to be respected in this, or the solution is not really a solution.

Finding the right solution hinges on correct identification of the problem. And the problem here is how to deal with the hurt feelings of a primary fiasco. I think there can only be one solution, which is to let the losers decide. If the contest isn’t actually at stake (and everything I’m reading says its been decided) the winners should let the losers decide, and do what would make Hilly Happy. It isn’t fair to three other groups, but its a solution, and it would allow us to go forward which is far more important than standing here.

Remember when your mom would make one of you cut the piece of cake and the other one choose which they wanted?

That won’t work now, but wasn’t that cool?

Don’t think Hillary is going to be very huggy with anyone – and they might want to hug her either.

LLLLLLLL SSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!

This is very, very shameful. Those who are threatening these things have a serious misunderstanding of what it means to be a member of a political party and what the function of a political party is.

The entire purpose of a political party is for its members to collectively pool their political influence for the purpose of gaining power!! This means that sometimes you have to put your influence—votes, campaign efforts, donations—behind a candidate who is not your first choice!

However, if you are a loyal member of a party you do this anyway! It’s what political parties are for! You don’t get to pick and choose which general election candidates you will support, and you don’t get to have litmus tests!!

http://physioprof.wordpress.co…..hysioprof/

i completely think that’s correct!

and it’s way kewl for me to say GO bonkers!

cause i’m way used to saying GO BRONCOS!!!

lol
GREEEEAT MARGUARITAS

sheeeesh
we all earned em’

Maybe a little whiskey too…

Poor woman racist.

Per Dkos http://dailykos.com/storyonly/…..515/526285

The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days.

Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.

Obama’s total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5.

Go Edwards!

Goddammit. I am not a second class citizen! But you all just do what you want. If Edwards isn’t our nominee our country is going to go down the tubes and mccain will be president!!!

bwahahaha i’m melting, melting! Now I’m nothing!!

the dem party is dead to me!

Dugg!
Thanks neuro

NOT want to hug her either. edit

My kids understand ageism much more easily than racism.

Did he change his shirt?

Dosido, settle down.

Wangdangbedangbledang…!!! Dang!! Cheers!

CNN has 2060 – 1877 Obama – Clinton. 2118 to clinch.

I guess my momma didn’t discipline me enough!

I have some sympathy for the lady from NY: HRC had the bad luck to be a contemporary of BO. Two historic candidates, two capable candidates, and a couple of primary fiascoes. (Word nerd question: is that fiascos or fiascoes? Spell checker prefers the no e version.) If BO had waited for more seasoning in the Senate, she may have won the nomination.

Harriet Christian may not live to see a woman as president of the USA. Give her some time to accept that this isn’t a sexist or racist result, it’s just a result that she had hoped would turn out otherwise.

You never know- but there’s no reason that either candidate should take any of this personally. It’s standard american politics.

This primary has been cleaner than most I’d say…

Well don’t look to me for that !

we knew that twain
:)

Uh, glad to help. ARRIBA!

I prefer to Go Crazy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLHLLIu4uo0

I just came back in from triming trees and there is alito on cspan.

Shorter alito: i r mental midget, let me skip the reasons why.

In all seriousness, I think this is an awesome compromise. All delegates get to go. 1/2 vote penalty. honestly, it’s kinda brilliant.

“Free-floating” gender anger, I won’t call it feminism, because it is faux feminism. Demonization such a sad trap. How are they pumping up so much rage? What are the issues? Against Obama? Against MSM… that has wronged EVERYONE as far as I can see.

Reminds me of what Rove did with the religious right. Emotionally enter the thrall of an authoritarian righteous “parent figure”.

The “loyalty” priority in defiance of reality was the drum beat of the right. Now it is coming at us form Hillary’s forces.

Re loyalty issues … people that I know agree with the new McClellan are soooo angry bad-mouthing him for being disloyal to Bush and his former “gang”. I figure, better late than never. Put down the kool-aid and welcome!

Time to put on my “feminist for Obama” button?

*giggggggle*

PERFECT!

lol

Woo-hoo, I’m a die hard Broncos fan, too… Back when Craig Morton was the QB!

nope, just for snacks! :]

I wonder if there are many women who honestly believe that Obama is the winner because he is black. I don’t think so and I hope not. Would like to think that the Dem Women are not racists.

*clink*

Don’t harsh my buzz, bro!!

I hope he will… It looks like it will be tomorrow…!

WOW!

tht’s WAY back there!

he was great with Red Miller!

wow

blast from the blue n orange past.

SO KEWL vid, bonkers!

Looking like Obama needs about 20 superdels to declare for him before MT and SD vote. If that happens, which seems possible, he’ll still have the “white working class” voters of MT and SD give him the nomination. Would be poetic justice.

And he already has the arena booked for that night night, the arena in MN where the Repube Convention is gonna be. Oh man, that is a smooooooth move by Team Obama!

She is a racist. I don’t care what sex racist she is or who she wants for president…she voted, but she is a racist. Really a pathetic and troubled person.

I am in the “hillary” demographic. was for edwards but switched to Obama. totally agree with libby with the faux feminism sentiment.

Thanks for being there through all that stuff, Jane.

That’s and odd question. I mean, you’re remarking about a whole group of people being or not being racist. Huh?

now watch my wife cry

Thank you for saying that. It’s so awful to watch the pathology in play.

It ends tomorrow or he changes his shirt tomorrow?

Amazing! At the beginning of the day, Obama needed another 41 delegates to clinch it (per Dkos). Now he needs 17 more, i.e, another 58 (per CNN).

Hey now…leave Sammy’s sex life out of this.

Beats me. Those who went to this meeting are the hard core group from both sides and they are heavily invested in their positions- plus they may (properly) believe that display of anger gives them more bargaining power in this case….

In the end- I don’t think it means shit! Obama is the nominee.

absolutely.

it IS fake.

these women are mad now, can you JUST IMAGINE them 6 months into a clinton administration when she totally forgets them and craps out on them and there is a sudden spike in husband murders in Appalachia adding a whole population of livid females to the already overpopulated prison system!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

Yep !

Heh, He’ll be on with Wolfie tomorrow… I hope he changes his shirt…! ;-)

This is very good news. Obama has disassociated himself from Trinity Church.
This was necessary. I congratulate him on making this good choice.

makes me think twice about bush’s policy of political assassinations. :/

I had a perverse thought throughout much of the afternoon: I imagined Joe Lieberman showing up to testify before the RBC and demand that all the Florida and Michigan delegates be seated–pledged to McCain.

I made the decision to leave a congregation last fall. Still painful some days.

Today is a classic zero sum game- whatever is won comes at the other person’s expense. Should be no surprise that it generates a lot of emotion.

I am thrilled that we may be on the verge of electing our first black president and I believe the best nominee. But I would be lying if I didn’t admit and even shed a tear about the fact that maybe Hillary wasn’t the one, it came close, and it pains me to wonder how much longer before I get to tell my daughter that she too, could be president and that there would be a role model showing this to be more than words.

I do think we if we are going to pull those women back to the fold we have to aknowledge the depth of that pain. In every group who has ever been invalidated and subjected to violence there grows a fringe group that speaks the rage that most of us won’t aknowledge whether it be the black panthers, the feminatzi’s or whatever.

Instead of making fun of her, we should be validating her pain, just as I did for many years for any angry black man or woman who’s rage went beyond the pail. We can argue about who’s pain is bigger but I do treatment groups with survivors of sexual assault, some stories are horrendous, but it’s impossible to compare that kind of pain. Women die today because this division still exists. They die in this country for being women. It’s the number one cause of accidental death. A woman is most likely to be killed when she is pregnant. This goes on today. That pain is not dead it is still fresh for many women who see their only hope in female leadership.

I think the very fact that there is so little understanding about this anger validates the degree of sexism and how we invalidate it today. We understand the angry black man but make fun of the angry white woman. Yes, she has benefitted from white priviledge. Yes, she has an easier road that the majority of minority women in this country, but to some women, that line might not “feel” very comforting at all. I work in domestic violence and sexual assault. There is a lot of fresh pain accruing day after day in this country.

Please let’s not forget this and maybe through validation we can bring some of these folks back. They are coming from the pain of victimization which isn’t always rational. I hope Obama is smart enough to do this behavior. It’s what is needed to heal.

Oy! Bite your tongue!

I think she caught herself. I’m not for certain, but it sure sounded like “BLACK” may have been her second choice.

Yeah- he needs to adopt the Ronnie line (I prays ALONE!)

You did the right correct thing.

To be honest, I don’t even care that he’s black. I care that he makes a lot more sense on the issues that HRC or St John McShame. I care that he’s looking towards the future and not the past.

I wasn’t gonna say it. Thanks.

boy that was painful to watch.

during the voting, I kept expecting Mayor Daley and his cops to come through the door.

And I didn’t even tell you any of the sordid details.

Here are the numbers from Dkos, which are somewhat different from those of CNN:
– Obama needs another 64 to cinch it.
– Hillary needs another 240.5 to chinch it.
– 86 pleged delegates (PR, MT, and SD) will be decided by Tuesday night.
– There are 205 uncommitted Super Delegates.

Thanks wigwam!

I don’t see any difference between the two dems on the issues- if there ARE any- they certainly didn’t highlight em during their countless debates…so it comes down to:

African American vs. Woman

Middle Aged vs. Young

Or :

Which of the candidates is the most MORAL

(Standing ovation)

Without a doubt, understand this dynamic you describe. He’s already talked about it, and given his upbringing and his mother’s background, and now with Michelle and two daughters in his life, I’m convinced he’ll know how to handle it just right.

I have a concern over this afternoon’s actions in regard to what Ickes said.
I think it fair that both states got back only half their voting rights however, I do have a problem with the way Michigan was apportioned in that it appears the committee not only gave Obama all the uncommitted but also took 5 away from Hillary and gave him those too. So is there any wonder that both that lady and Ickes might be upset? It isn’t as if they gave Obama and Hillary the way the vote went but seems to have taken away from Hillary as well. That isn’t fair in my mind. I now it won’t make any difference in the long run, but why do it at all to make it appear that things were arranged just to suit Obama and HIllary ended up losing votes to him?

Here is the kos diary that mrs. k8 recc’d earlier. very funny recap

And honest. And how do they conduct themselves and their campaigns.

+ “Obama”

I think Obama is smart enough to win these people over. He and his campaign have shown incredible smarts.

Since Puerto Rico comes first (tomorrow) and Clinton is said to be favored there, it will be interesting to hear what kind of “victory speech” she gives tomorrow night.

You gave me the gist of it, that’s enough. (Knowing a little other background info of the parties involved.)

You did the right correct sensible thing.

Looking at the campaigns the two candidates have run, I see a vast difference in leadership.

I have to wonder what made those people think it was OK to act that way at that meeting? What made them think that was acceptable? On national TV??? And WHAT on Earth made ICK think it was OK to actually swear on the committee, further riling these already out of control “hysteric fans”???

WHAT were they thinking???
Is “hil” proud of that????

omg

what an ugly spectacle! and the dems are “so much better”?????

that just concerns me.

Was she drinking?

Let me add, not only a vast difference in leadership, but also in wisdom and maturity.

I lived there during the Orange Crush days. Had a friend with season tickets. And a good time was had by all.

wow. just watched the youtube. please tell me this is not a common position? i mean i’ve been seeing some of it in the blogosphere and geraldine ferraro, but i guess i was hoping it has not spread far….

that video was seriously scary especially if it is representative of even a small percentage of senator clinton’s supporters.

Well- yeah

Of course the person ahead is always nice and the one who is losing is usually shrill and harsh- that’s the way you play those hands.

This is a hoot! And I’m not even half way through it.

The campaign needs to end NOW so that women like Harriet can mourn the end of Hillary’s campaign, and still allow enough time for Barack to win them over before November.

Well. Take the campaigns away and look down the road a piece. Let’s say we have another fiasco. (no!). this sets a precedent that delegates can be seated but with half their voting power. nice and clean.

NOOOOOOOO! None of the above.

“hil” has these people believing her bs. THE MAIN ISSUE here is OLD WashDC vs. the NEW that Obi is talking about.

That’s the crux of the diff. but she has the uneducated masses in her corner believing it’s about her being an underdog, which they relate to cause they are undereducated and have rough lives.

mostly, anyway.

Obama was shrill and harsh last Summer and Fall when he was way behind? Missed that.

I dunno, I think Harriet herself, while not being a typical Clinton supporter, is a lost cause.

Excellent comments above, thanks. The power elite during the Civil War set Susan B. Anthony against Frederick Douglass and vice versa. FDL has done several fine posts on the history of gender integration and ethnic integration.

Just to give the sexists equal time, I just pulled this off a Notre Dame football board. Sorry no link, it’s a paysite. Duke just hired away ND’s Athletic Director and ND appointed a woman, Missy Conboy, to be the interim AD.

This is going from bad to worse. A woman A.D. is ridiculous. If she is in that position for any length of time, I can only see N.D. athletics go down hill. I don’t think that too many woman can help a school like N.D. in it’s athletic program. I don’t think too many recruits will be too enthusiatic with a woman A.D. All major sports involving men should be handled by men. I was not too fond of White, but this move is a negative for N.D. and it’s football program and all the men’s programs. Father Jenkins will have to go to confession for this fiasco. This is not a statement against women, but some things are better handled by men that more knowledgeable with major sports involving men. I hope Missy has a lot of access to men that are well versed in men’s sports. I am eager to see how N.D. recruiting in fooball goes from this stage until someone more qualified is chosen for the A.D. position. Now I have to dig into my computer to get information on Father Jenkins to see how he has affected Notre Dame in sports and academically. Be an A.D. at N.D. is extremely stressful, and that is probably why White went to Duke. I can only see a lot of complaints from all of Notre Dame alumni and supporters.

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Much to think about here.

So you think a couple of swear words from a guy named Ickies, and a few rowdy characters means that the Democratic party is as bad as the Bush criminals and the McCain straight talk express to bomb bomb Iran?

right here

yes. it. was!

but it took Elway to take the Superbowl.

THOSE miller/craig days were sooooo much fun tho!!!

We had parties all weekend long all over the place, had to PRIORITIZE the party invites.
wow

was soooo fun!!!!!

Oh come on now. I mean I don’t CARE who wins- but this “Washington insiders vs outsiders” thing is the same bullshit George Bush (and half of the presidential contendors in history) ran on. It’s of no substance that I can see- pure emotional bullshit. (which is no reason not to use it if you can win with it).

the Clintonistas have been feeding this RAGE A HOLISM since Pensylvania imo,it is really vile,and abhorant

I was kinda looking forward to McCain calling Hillary a *unt and a Trollop during debates….I was gonna order extra popcorn..

I don’t have a problem with them being seated with half the vote. What I have a problem with is them not being apportioned the way the vote went and Obama getting all the umcommitted plus 5 more of Hillary’s that they took away from her to give to him. That is what Ickes was mad about.

Dosido, I am along the same path. I felt like Edwards reflected more feminist ideals… harmony and communication and win/win relating, than the masculine principles of competition and power-seeking. I think it is ironic that Hillary who seemed to be pragmatically overcompensating for being a female candidate in her militaristic inclinations is now espousing a “feminist” drumbeat? It is not about female DNA … it is about altruistic sensibility!

Re MSM … I empathize with all the candidates. They are dealing with gotcha commentators… and they disdained Edwards, and go after HRC and BO whenever possible. But playing the “I am the poor girl how dare you” does not ring true after suffering through media manipulation with Edwards. The MSM is an equal opportunity invalidator!

And as for the idea of voting for McCain to punish Obama… what were HIS sins that have them so frenzied? God, I hope the Democratic leadership will pool their intelligence and their skills for healing this Nation. His inexperience in their eyes pushes them to McCain’s side? What free-floating malice is this?

Hillary has been no angel in her campaigning. Remember that old song, “Anything Goes”. I want moral-restraint in my leaders. I do not want “ends justifies the means” behavior. “Once I win I will be your noble leader. Trust me. Defend me out of loyalty.”

Be the change!!! Don’t promise it down the road after you have nailed the nomination. Oy vey.

Popcorn is for hearings. Ice cream for debates.

he will always have Cindi lou(numbed out on ludes) to kick around/

But it isn’t worth it at this point. It’s all over and Ickes just acted like a jerk and it makes no difference at all.

Mmmmmm…icecream it is!

Think she’ll stick around after he loses?

oo oo, I hear the French Vanilla and choco syrup calling.

NO DRAMA Obama

new thread

yup…desperate housewife”g”

Ah, ludes…

those were the days.

i still on no carbs…sigh

LOL!

get a grip!

of COURSE not.

LOLOL@

that’s funnnay.

have a friggin marguarita.
sheeeeesh!

gawd, sour grapes, she sounds like your typical bigoted, cry baby republican.

go obama!

poifect phamaceutical

sadly, yes! sadlyyes.

(i always wanted to say that!)

I think they did that because they figure a lot of people showed up to vote for their candidate and found they were not on the ballot, so they voted for Clinton. Probably, a certain percentage did that….but how to guess what percentage….?

{{{{{siri}}}}}}}}} a good all in all!!!!

just because bu$h used it doesn’t make it bs in obi’s campaign.

i believe Obama. mostly. i never believed that chit from bu$h

why cant they grap the greater possibilities? shhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeesh

” a good DAY” all in all

YES.
IT.
WAS!!!!

another drinky poo time here!

Sam Stein of HuffPo has a very interesting piece on his encounter with Clinton supporters at RBC: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..04486.html

(bows) Konnichiwa, sadly

How ya doin’?

Well Bush was FAR from the first to use it—it’s standard fare- like melancholy baby at a piano bar.

Thanks, I forgot what it was like watching rince when he first started out. Way too too COOL.

Unfortunately that isn’t right either because some of those uncommitted were for Biden, Edwards and Obama. So Obama was getting all of those plus hers.
I am only saying I can see why this is causing a slight bit of anger on the part of Ickes. If they had not taken away from Hillary to give to Obama as well as giving him all the uncommitted then there would be not be the hard feelings going forward, but now it looks again as if Hillary supporters are being robbed of their vote apportionment in order to give to Obama.
Sure it was easy to do what they did today, but unfortunately it will cause hard feelings.

buck up, dahlin!!!
i dumped 60 lbs last winter on “no carbs”.
it’s being a WAY WORTH IT spring/summer here cause of it,
keep on, as you are.
it’s gonna be worth it.

Nasty. All it ever did for me was put me to sleep for about 14 hours. Head went clunk on table in the middle of a hand of pinochle.

yeah.
and that STILL does not make it bullshit

I would humbly add that it’s bigger than the Clinton’s. Joe Biden kicked off the latest round when he was still running for President. He “complimented” Obama, because he was so “clean” and “articulate.” When JoLie saw Biden successfully push the envelope, he knew the coast was clear to ask Lamont supporters, “are you a Bill Clinton Democrat or an Al Sharpton Democrat?”

Before we can pull Hillary supporters back into the fold, we’re going to have to pull them off the ledge.

Actually there are exit poll results that nail that down pretty clearly- and they were discussed today at one of the pollster websites..as I recall- the vote WOULD have turned out 46-38 Hillary or something close to that if all names had been on the ballot in Michigan (and all of the same people had shown up at the polls).

In Florida, of course, everyone WAS on the ballot.

oh yeah!

in Venice CA, early 70s. beach & ludes.
i wanna go back.

LOL.

People on ‘ludes should not play pinochle.

i know…it sukks,nothing sounds good to me cept”G” BUCKWHEAT pancakes 12 carbs…hahahahahahaha…how are ya doin…fine as frog hair i hope?

Wow

yeah, and do we add or decrease medications?

:)… he just has to keep those preachers at bay!

Are you kidding? Is he really going to be in Minnesota? What Moxie. I love it.

It’s bullshit to me as long as it’s just a slogan with no policy meat behind it.

But then- I don’t really trust politicians.

wow thats impressive,my sainted dad,used to say Merkins just eat way too much sugar,poor guy had a sweet tooth though…but never weighed more than 165

i know.
i get it.
me too.

i think obama’s gonna be different. he has a natural aversion to WashDC.

it’s in his energy.

if it doesn’t corrupt him first, he’ll change it.
that’s a big IF

Or anything else. Never liked downers. There was a time if I could smoke it, swallow it or rub it in my belly button I was game. Try almost anything once. With ludes, once was enough.

I think this is the most obvious conclusion anyone can draw. But from where I sit, Hillary’s always been a spoiled little brat, and I see her being very much like Harriet. It’s why I can’t stand her. It also serves to belie every statement HRC’s made about caring about “hard working (white) Americans because she’s willing to subject the country to a third Bush term so she can have the toy she wants.

Sadly, I think Harriet (and Rachel Maddow) are probably right. Better get your vasectomies and tubal ligations now, Roe will be overturned. Hillary will see to it.

But I’ve been saying for months HRC is NOTHING but Joe Lieberman in a pantsuit and I have not seen one shred of evidence to disabuse me of that belief. I hope they run Bill and Hill out of Denver on a rail

Yes, they are fueling the rage because it gives them the momentum they need to push on in this Quixotic quest.

I knew we’d get to pancakes sooner or later.

well, i KNOW wht that’s like, the no carb thing and it is depressing,
BUT
it works.

just you keep on, as you are. drink the water, keep on.

you’ll be better and thankful for the sacrifice. it’s not like you can never eat again.

just keep on, day after day, AS YOU ARE.

:)

guess who i fed/petted today
http://www.danawaystud.com/ima…..lt0701.jpg

i am concockting house specialties,bought cream cheese,and fake maple syrup,to make mini cheese cakes,ill report the outcome to you

What’s with that second class citizen crap? That woman was wearing what appeared to be nice clothes and jewelry, and lives in Manhattan. She doesn’t have the slightest clue as to what a second class citizen is.

If they had not taken away from Hillary to give to Obama as well as giving him all the uncommitted then there would be not be the hard feelings going forward, but now it looks again as if Hillary supporters are being robbed of their vote apportionment in order to give to Obama.
Sure it was easy to do what they did today, but unfortunately it will cause hard feelings.

They should have followed the original rules, the rules that the Clinton campaign agreed to.

call the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamULANCE

LOL … ((((( sadlyyes )))))

Do the SuperDels get half votes too ?

YUP need to stop doing CONTORTIONS for her,this aint the Cirque de Solei

APPLAUDS!
getting creative helps.

it won’t be like REAL, but that’s why it’s called “Fake”, so,
that’s great!

i put cottage cheeze in the blender with flavorings and it made “fake pudding”. was OK. solved the sweet tooth thing,
and diet jello,

and crystal light, diet kool aid with artificial sweetner. helped with the sweet tooth thing,

oh, and ALSO,

diabetic candy. one or 2 a night did not alter the weight loss the next morning.

but only one or 2 done in 2 or 3 bites each. to savor.
:)

*schmmmmnark!!!*

lol!

right.

THAT deserves another drinky poo.

hres what im doin…almonds chopped very fine for crust…cream cheese,ricotta eggs,maple syrup splenda for filling,cant be bad????

COOL. Beautiful animal.

She doesn’t understand the concepts of agreement and compromise. All she understands is personal advantage. Her campaign voted on and agreed to the original rules. The DNC stepped back from a position of mornal authority by giving in to her whining.

be careful with the crystal light okay…it has way too much nutra sweet

THAT is EXACTLY what mr. siri said! and he’s sooo right, as are you!

they should have just stuck to the original agreements!
i cannot believe those clintonistas were gritching and whining like that when that was actually the better option, the ORIGINAL AGREEMENT signed by the “queen” her OWN self!

itsa BABBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBEEEEEEEEEEEEEE…and momma is a doll,i go down the street and bring apples evryday

ouuuuuu
tht sounds yummy! i bet it’s great!
i wish i had that last winter. specially christmas! THAT was such a drag!
but i had gotten really fat and had to do it.

you will let me know how it comes out???

Opps Prince (missed that one)

Gorgeous

well, we get our chemicals somewhere! no avoiding it these days.

i will and take pictures…..crunchy baked almonds..yum,i might put some baked coconut in it tooooooo

Ever get to ride?

and sadlyyes,
that baby is sooooo pretty.
i was not invited but i peeked anyway.
what a sparkley number!!!!!!

I think they apportioned those extra votes to OB because there was 30 thousand write in ballots that didn’t count.

yah,but do the Splenda,dont want to scare ya ,but my foend had a stroke from too much crystal light,ill give ya the link,Rumsfeld is involved

used to ride a lot,gonna take it up again..love horsies

my FRIEND

i know
i quit all the nutra sweet cause of rummy at one point,
but then started it again figuring, what the hell, that asshole’s already rich.

i know about him and that.

again?
no linky

http://www.rense.com/general33/legal.htm

Better to try Stevia, it doesn’t mess up your metabolism like Nutra Sweet or Splenda.

its the same chemicals as wood alcohol iirc

Nasty stuff aspertane

it tastes strange to me what about the agave cactus?

yea im afraid of it

re no carb desserts – look up passover desserts on epucurious.com.

in place of sugar, use stevia

An insightful prediction by M.S. Bellows Jr.: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..04198.html

i shall try it again

thanks for this sadly!!!
i will read it,
but must go watch a movie w/ mr. siri.
he’s all been way patient all day, i’ve been typing away and watching CSpan which isn’t unusual, except it is on a Saturday.
good luck,
i’m here if ya need some support,

i DID loose 60 lbs last winter doing what you are doing.

it DOES work.
drink your wa!!!!

hugz hugz hugz!
byeey

*poof*

Trust me when I say this….I was attended Maine Democratic State Conveniton as an Obama delegate and one thing has stood out so far:

THE HILLARY SUPPORTERS WANT EVERYONE TO FEEL BAD FOR THEM. Yep, they want us to feel bad that they’re old, they’re white women, they’re “the harding working white Americans” who wear thousands of dollars worth of jewelry, and they want us to know they’ve been treated worse than the slaves of yesteryear! Oh yes! The whole effing planet needs to bow down to them!

Spit.

Tomorrow I will be posting pictures from this year’s Convention, because tonight? I’m exhausted from all the Hillary-supporter whining!!!

Have a good night everyone. ;-)

Good gawd I’m tired…I meant to say in the first sentence: “I attended this year’s Maine Democratic State Convention this weekend as an Obama delegate…”. ;-)

Sleep, here I come! Onward! LOL

a good day all in all…nite nite puppies

i hope the supers take action next week in the interests of unity and come out en masse for BHO.

that would render the MI credentials threat moot.

((Kay))

I feel your pain! And get this–Hil gave the press the post june 6th travel schedule before today’s big fun.

What The Fuck Happened at RBC??

What evidence do we have the Clinton and her campaigned agreed to anything? If so, what was it that they agreed to? Ickes final announcement sounded like someone saying that there was no deal. RBC gratuitously handed Clinton half of what she was fighting for, and now she’ll continue her fight for the other half. If she’s going to take her fight to the convention, why did they give her anything here? It only acknowleged the legitimacy of her complaint.

The Supers will end this by next Friday … this was over since Super Tuesday …

Jane, a new old guy on CNN reporting from the hall after the meeting ended, said in all his 3# years of reporting he’s never seen anything like the demonstration he saw in those halls.
Then, the camera turns to see maybe 4-5 women people screaming their heads off and shaking their fists at the camera and another dozen or so downstairs screaming and chanting “Den..ver Den..ver”

So tell us Jane, :[ were you as terrified of those 17 people as the old man from CNN was?

The two state parties and the DNC, in the end -behaved brillianty, and should make all Dems proud.

Thank whoever, that the slimy insiders like Ickies got their butts kicked today, and justice, equality most importantly BALLS, are back and in fine working order in the Democratic party.

I sure hope so. Hil is doing her level best to split the party. Hillary for Hillary!!

It really bugs me that hil is distorting the whole process. this whole “respect the voters” thing. well, what about the other voters who chose their delegates already? the ones that put Obama ahead in the delegate count. The delegates that choose the PARTY nominee?

I really really really do not like it when people mess with the process.

So tell us Jane, :[ were you as terrified of those 17 people as the old man from CNN was?

ZOMG! Brooks Sisters Riot!!1!!1

FunnyD

I’m with you.
Not to mention that not counting the votes of people in caucus states in “popular vote” calculations seems to be perfectly OK.
FunnyD

Seems deluded to me to think his race is an unambiguous boon to his campaign. But why racist?

Thanks for your comment. Well said.
There are some ways that white women have it hard that are perhaps underestimated. I read once, for example, that white women and black men are the demographics most underpaid for their work corrected for level of education. Now, of course, part of this is sexism and racism: women of color have fewer educational opportunities. Nevertheless, I think it points to a kind of paradox of race. And, more to the point, as wavpeac’s comment points out, this is about how people feel about how they have been treated.

John McCain: THE candidate of Angry White Women – the demographic that’s replacing Soccer Moms!

Seriously, Christian’s performance sems a clear example of politics being personal. Her outrage appears to be fueled by deep emotional connections to issues that matter to her. Her threat to vote for McCain is essentially an act of revenge – and self destructive.

Let’s hope cooler heads prevail.

Broncos!

Me too since Craig Morton era!

Wow, you must be really old!

I even infected my son with it! Brewed him and bore him in Berkeley 30 years ago, and he hates the Raiders too, and we just laugh about how come he doesn’t know why!

An inadequate black male?

Yeah, this old bag don’t exactly speak for the democratic party…

“inadequate black man”? does she know something we don’t?

Well put … shames Hillary. Shames the Party.

There are many women who have waited a lifetime to see a woman elected president. Their anger over this primary season is understandable.

The meeting today wasn’t about either candidate, it was about recognizing millions of voters.

Democrats in FL had nothing to do with their primary being moved, yet the DNC punished them to the greatest extent possible. What’s “fair” about that? Floridians were/are rightfully angry.

MI has different reasons for their anger, but it doesn’t make it any less valid.

The only connection this has to either campaign is that Sen. Clinton is the only candidate to recognize these voters are upset. She is the only one willing to stand up for them.

There was no compromise on the part of the Obama campaign today. If Obama is truly about “Unity” then the right thing to do would have been for HIM to advocate for all the delegates to be seated with full voting rights.

All the pundits are saying FL and MI won’t “save” Sen. Clinton, so what harm would it have caused Obama to do the right thing?

The fact that he didn’t says he’s as much about “politics as usual” as anyone.

BAC

Not true. The Florida Democrats wanted the date moved us just as much as the Republicans. This is such bull. Remember, the Republicans also sanctioned FL and MI. Why aren’t these people hollering about the “disenfranchised” Republican voters in those states? Why didn’t these people start hollering about the “disenfranchised” Democratic voters until it became clear that Clinton needed those votes?

I would love to find an authoritative and fact-filled account of how this started – the rules, the players, whether the Goopers drove and the Dems just hopped on, or whether those in charge of Democratic Party apparatus were just idiots, etc.
Got anything?

mrsuper.org

Scroll down the page. There’s a pretty comprehensive timeline there.

Democrats in FL had nothing to do with their primary being moved, yet the DNC punished them to the greatest extent possible. What’s “fair” about that? Floridians were/are rightfully angry.

BAC she is only interested in these voters in so far as they help her. If they were BHO voters she would have no interest in their votes. and for all the BHO voters who were disenfrachised in a flawed primary process in FL and MI – she has no interest in their votes counting either.

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http://www-taggtheangrygayguy.com

Sorry I am a bit late to this thread. Want to help clarify things for any such as Cambridge who wonder about the ‘taking’ [four] votes – 69 instead of 73 from the election result.
The DNC acquiesced to the request of the unanimous Michigan party to this allocation, who begged the DNC to honor the work put in to arive at this decision.

The data used can be summarized as follows:
in the actual vote, in addition to the 40% voting for ‘not-clinton’ – i.e. ie one of the group of four who pulled their names, all of whom have either publicly or [as with Biden] privately endorsed Obama, the following happened:
(1) another 5% of voters – numerically this was 30 thousand voters – had their votes thrown out as they were write-ins. A state statute forbid counting write ins unless a canditate explicitly asked the election commissino to count write ins for that candidate. The Rules commitee “no campaignin or participating’ pledge had already led the four top candidates of Edwards, Obama, Dod amnd Biden to pull their names and obviously none then wrote it to say ‘but write-ins are ok’ Thus this voter consituency had niull effect.

(2) The exit poll [acknowledged as a flawed method but pointed to as ‘all they had] illuminated additional bizarre anomolies[sp?]:
(a)not ONLY was the polling for Hillary weaker by 9 points than the actual vote, but there were somie clear indicators that factual bases underlay this difference:
(b) groups of people who stated that Hillary was their second choice but voted for Hilary rather than uncommitted [I do not have the polling questions, the MIU presented summarized these data]

(b)others stated that they voted – or would have wanted to vote – on the [open] Republican side

(3) The Democratic turnout was lower than the Republican turnout – an anomaly that was only replicated in Florida [may have been one other state] implicating the Rules Committee itself in suppressing voters who believed that there was no point in going to the poll, and whose voices deserved some kind of factorin in – their absence in the voting booth having been attributable to the Dem party. These voters would less likely be Clinton voters than voters for one of the other candidates who endorsed Obama.[a

factoring in this data resulted in 69 [four down from 73] for Clinton, and 59 [four up from 55] for Obama].

This mathematical approach also, as it happened – split the difference between the official positions of the two parties, as presented to the MI Democratic party when it asked for input in crafting its position.

After the decision was made, the Obama campaign said it would accept the result, and the CLinton camp said it would not.

It appears that the Clinton position was that She had a right to a share of the 55 uncommitted vote. The legal team for the DNC differed, saying that it should be assumed that the Uncommitted vote was presumptively for one of the four unlisted candidates.

Because of the Clintoe position, the Obama campaign took its 50-50 claim to the Rules Committee, though signalling it would accept the DNC decision regardless of what that decision would be.

Thus the Rules committe was faced with a Clinton Chanllenge to the MI positikon, in which the Clinton campaign wanted 73 for her and zero for Obama, with Uncommitted to be fair game between Clinton and Obama.

faced with this choice and unable to craft a choice other than that crafted by Michigan, the DNC chose the Michigan plan.

I note herer that the Congressional Quarterly on May 30 published an article quoting Hillary the prior week as stating that she would support the lected officials and voters of Michigan if they choise to fight the DNC.
As it turned out Clinton was fighting BOTH the DNC as well as the elected officials of Michigan who were elected by the MI Dem party to craft its presentation.

I understand that members of the DNC were reservations but they were challenged to come up with an allocation more fairly reflective of the very badly flawed process and since they could not, they accepted that the unanimous Michigan decision was at least Salomonic [sp?]

Sorry for the length and/or spelling/syntax boo boos; and hope this helps

one final thing in response to this questioner: the irony is that the RBC [oops I see that I’ved used the wrong initials a few times above] of 28 plus 2 co-chairs has a sitting majority of Clinton supporters – 13 to be exact [12 plus one of the 2 co-chairs].

Obama had a distinct minority of 8 and to pas anything on an ideological basis (since neither co-chair ever voted except in case of tie) Obama had a much higher hill matematically than Clinton to achieve results.

The vote to strip double the automatic 50% penalty [which is what the RBC put back into place yesterday] – i.e. all 100% of the state’s voting/seating rights was almost unanimous last August – with the exception of one verified Obama supporter who voted against stripping the delegates.

That means that Haold Ickes – the man who complained that this vote hijacked Hillary’s win in MI – was one of that near-unanimous group voting MI and FLA out of the race.

Of course, in last August,k Hillary was stating in interviews that she was prepared to stay in through the very end of the race which she then defined as February 5th. Her cache of supporters on the Committee believed that the message to the other 48 states was more importanat than playing chicken with the Dem parties of MI and FLorida.

They’d had a year long competition to add two more geographically/demographically diverse states – 12 states entered the COmpetition in cluding MI [no Florida] and NEV and So CAR ‘won’ the window of a 4-state group for candidates to syump in – even poorer candidates could afford that – before the SUper Tuesday batch.

There was a lot of rubmbling that if the Dem party let MI and FL jump – even after that hue competition there would be chaos.

Unfortunately it’s always the crazies that get coverage and give the impression that they represent the majority opinion when in fact they do not. I have no doubt that the majority of Hillary supporters will vote for Obama in the Fall. And whats more this Harriet woman may actually end up as one of them once she gets over her disappointment that her candidate did not win. We all know that some people say things in the heat of the moment that they wish they could take back. After seeing herself in the video she may regret these comments and do a 180 degree turn by Fall.

Hey all!

I am looking for Hillary supporters. If you’re in Hils camp, would you pop by here when you get a sec?

http://livefrankly.wordpress.c…..upporters/

Thanks in advance!