Jane!!!!!

Do tell us more of what happened. How can Don Fowler act with such class and people like Harold Ickes have no class whatsoever?

Jane! Thanks so much for being there!!!

One question: what does it mean that Sen. Clinton reserves the right to appeal to the Credentials Committee? What are the practical implications? Does it mean we may still have to deal with a floor fight of some sort in Denver?

One more time: THANK YOU!!!

I like the giggle at the end Jane. :)

Hopefully she’s a fringe opinion.

What a vicious, mean-spirited woman. She shames Hillary.

Charming. Simply charming.

So much for this uniting the factions. I really think this was the plan all along for the Clinton campaign. They need time and fuel more than delegates right now.
Next step, find the button to move the SDs.

I can be called white, but you can’t be called crazy.

With surrogates like Harriet, I think we can assume that at least some of the angry Clinton supporters might come home.

Thanks for being there Jane. I worry how many women are out there like Harriet.

A little civility, please, Harriet.

Call me Ishmael … she’s given us more than just a “shmear” she went ahead and buried the sandwich in a whole bottle of mustard.

For a minute I thought she was Taylor Marsh.

Ok, so will someone please, and not Jane, cause she has enough on her hands, do the math and tell me how much this changed the totals??

I’ve got news for you, Harriet… Obama will be the next Prez…! ;-)

Drive by …

Shorter Lanny Davis and Harriet Christian:

“I hate you. I hate you all.” (stomps feet)
“How dare you not do what I want.” (holds breath … till blue in face)
“Where’s my pony?!?”
“Where’s my candy?!?”

———————

http://blip.tv/file/942863

Way too many feel that way. It’s going to be rough for Obama, Hillary followed very close to a nuclear strategy, making sure if she went down Obama would be unelectable. This is the result.

I used to believe that Hillary would work with Obama if he won, now I’m not so sure.

Boxturtle (Perhaps she’d like the VP slot on McBush’s ticket?)

Digg

Perhaps HRC wants McCain to win so she can run against him in 2012.

The Stump at the New Republic said that many of the Hillary supporters thought that Hillary would win the delegate count if MI and FL were seated. Harriet must have been one of the supporters interviewed.

I have read that Hillary will gain 29 delegates because of today’s decisions.

Chuck Todd says new target 2118. (If I understand the question.)

Heh, well my wife is a Hillary supporter but will vote for Obama in the General… Aloha, Ma’am!

that has been the subject of some speculation

Don’t forget to include Harold Ickes in that group.

Hillary gained 27 delegates, and is now 173 behind. Obama needs 20 more supers (from a pool of 200+) assuming an even split of the remaining 86 pledged delegates from Puerto Rico, South Dakota, and Montana.

Well…at least this place isn’t as toxic as Daily Kos or HuffingtonPost.

Is it possible any of them were part of “Operation Chaos”?

Anyone who is stupid enough to vote for McCain, no matter who you are is…just not using the old shinnoggin…

Perhaps!!!??? You’re only realizing this now?

THANKS, I can not seem to find any updated numbers yet. Seems like lots of the MSM and even major blogs went to dinner or changed shifts. The news was here first for sure!

The “Bad Seed” would be about her age now, would she not?

New magic number: 2,118

Current totals with MI/FL:
Obama: 2,052
Clinton: 1,877.5

If McCain wins, there won’t be a 2012.

Hiya Betsy!

Only shrill right wing types like Andrew Sullivan dared to suggest that before … now I bet there are some Democrats that might agree

ummmm

excuse me.

this woman does NOT speak for me.

she’s not there for me.
or anyone i know………

thanks for posting this jane.
as we move ever closer to the reality.

Shalom CT.

JTMinIA, no, I am just not sure if I believe it 100%.

Hey Doodle! Free for lunch monday? I am off at 1:15.

Obama is going to win SD and Montana .. If Obama lost SD .. Daschle would not look very good … and I don’t think he wants to be in the dog house

So, Jane. Was that your giggle at the end?

Hello out there in Hillary Land. the primaries are for the party to select its candidate. it’s not the GE. Oh yeah, i’m not hillary. never mind.

After tuesday- the public part of this debate may disappear as the candidates concentrate on winning//rewinning superdelegates…that should happen quietly in backrooms and nice restuarants.

In public they may be very huggy.

Stelllllllaaaaa!!!!

Wexler on CNN.

Better they should focus on beating McCain.

i know that was jane.

i recognized the voice (read energy)
lol

Looked little spittle shot outta her mouth when she barked, “…a BLACK man!!”

Seriously…it’s really a good thing for the long term to have this stuff come to the fore. My kids watch this kind of thing and roll their eyes and wonder what’s wrong with these people. It’s ugly to see, but necessary nonetheless for society to move past it.

Aargh, Wolfie is gonna let Ickes vent some more on CNN…! Gah, is there no end…?

dshrnkr May 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
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Here’s the thing, I was trying to sort it all out in the shower. The reason there isn’t one easy solution is because there isn’t one easy problem. There are at least four.

Group One’s Problem. Lets give them the name (and why not?) Hilly. They represent the people who came out and voted for their candidate whose name was on the ballot. They want their vote to count, which makes perfect sense. It’s a democracy and they did what democrats are supposed to do.

but then we have Group Two’s Problem. Let’s call this group Obi. They represent the people whose candidate was NOT on the ballot that day, so they either wrote him in or voted for someone else or took a republican ballot in order to make the other side weaker. They didn’t have a chance to make their vote count, so they don’t want the primary to count and this makes perfect sense too.

Next we have Group Three’s Problem. Lets call them Abstainy. They didn’t vote on primary day because they thought their vote wouldn’t count and/or their candidate wasn’t on the ballot and they excised their right to choose by not choosing. They don’t want other people’s choice to count more than their no-choice choice, since they didn’t get their choice. This makes perfect sense also.

Finally we have group four. Lets call them “no opinions”. The N.O.’s didn’t vote on primary day because they really didn’t care or have a preference. Their lack of vote is an ACTUAL lack of vote, not a demonstration of the flawed primary. They don’t think their failure to vote should be counted as anything. And who can blame them? This makes perfect sense.

So what would make, Hilly, Obi, Abby and NO happy? Not the same thing. Hilly and Abby would be happy if their votes and NON votes counted with equal weight. Obi and NO want nobody’s votes to count since theirs can’t be accurately reflected. What is the solution? Is one of these groups more important then the other? Its theoretically possible that everybody’s voice is more important than NO’s, since doing something for a decision should probably matter more than doing nothing. But each group has to be respected in this, or the solution is not really a solution.

Finding the right solution hinges on correct identification of the problem. And the problem here is how to deal with the hurt feelings of a primary fiasco. I think there can only be one solution, which is to let the losers decide. If the contest isn’t actually at stake (and everything I’m reading says its been decided) the winners should let the losers decide, and do what would make Hilly Happy. It isn’t fair to three other groups, but its a solution, and it would allow us to go forward which is far more important than standing here.

Remember when your mom would make one of you cut the piece of cake and the other one choose which they wanted?

That won’t work now, but wasn’t that cool?

Don’t think Hillary is going to be very huggy with anyone - and they might want to hug her either.

LLLLLLLL SSSSSSSSS !!!!!!!!!

This is very, very shameful. Those who are threatening these things have a serious misunderstanding of what it means to be a member of a political party and what the function of a political party is.

The entire purpose of a political party is for its members to collectively pool their political influence for the purpose of gaining power!! This means that sometimes you have to put your influence—votes, campaign efforts, donations—behind a candidate who is not your first choice!

However, if you are a loyal member of a party you do this anyway! It’s what political parties are for! You don’t get to pick and choose which general election candidates you will support, and you don’t get to have litmus tests!!

http://physioprof.wordpress.co.....hysioprof/

i completely think that’s correct!

and it’s way kewl for me to say GO bonkers!

cause i’m way used to saying GO BRONCOS!!!

lol
GREEEEAT MARGUARITAS

sheeeesh
we all earned em’

Maybe a little whiskey too…

Poor woman racist.

Per Dkos http://dailykos.com/storyonly/.....515/526285

The resolution increased the number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination to 2,118, leaving Obama 66 delegates short but still within striking distance after the three final primaries are held in the next three days.

Obama picked up a total of 32 delegates in Michigan, including superdelegates who have already committed, and 36 in Florida. Clinton picked up 38 in Michigan, including superdelegates, and 56.5 in Florida.

Obama’s total increased to 2,052, and Clinton had 1,877.5.

Go Edwards!

Goddammit. I am not a second class citizen! But you all just do what you want. If Edwards isn’t our nominee our country is going to go down the tubes and mccain will be president!!!

bwahahaha i’m melting, melting! Now I’m nothing!!

the dem party is dead to me!

Dugg!
Thanks neuro

NOT want to hug her either. edit

My kids understand ageism much more easily than racism.

Did he change his shirt?

Dosido, settle down.

Wangdangbedangbledang…!!! Dang!! Cheers!

CNN has 2060 - 1877 Obama - Clinton. 2118 to clinch.

I guess my momma didn’t discipline me enough!

I have some sympathy for the lady from NY: HRC had the bad luck to be a contemporary of BO. Two historic candidates, two capable candidates, and a couple of primary fiascoes. (Word nerd question: is that fiascos or fiascoes? Spell checker prefers the no e version.) If BO had waited for more seasoning in the Senate, she may have won the nomination.

Harriet Christian may not live to see a woman as president of the USA. Give her some time to accept that this isn’t a sexist or racist result, it’s just a result that she had hoped would turn out otherwise.

You never know- but there’s no reason that either candidate should take any of this personally. It’s standard american politics.

This primary has been cleaner than most I’d say…

Well don’t look to me for that !

we knew that twain
:)

Uh, glad to help. ARRIBA!

I prefer to Go Crazy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLHLLIu4uo0

I just came back in from triming trees and there is alito on cspan.

Shorter alito: i r mental midget, let me skip the reasons why.

In all seriousness, I think this is an awesome compromise. All delegates get to go. 1/2 vote penalty. honestly, it’s kinda brilliant.

“Free-floating” gender anger, I won’t call it feminism, because it is faux feminism. Demonization such a sad trap. How are they pumping up so much rage? What are the issues? Against Obama? Against MSM… that has wronged EVERYONE as far as I can see.

Reminds me of what Rove did with the religious right. Emotionally enter the thrall of an authoritarian righteous “parent figure”.

The “loyalty” priority in defiance of reality was the drum beat of the right. Now it is coming at us form Hillary’s forces.

Re loyalty issues … people that I know agree with the new McClellan are soooo angry bad-mouthing him for being disloyal to Bush and his former “gang”. I figure, better late than never. Put down the kool-aid and welcome!

Time to put on my “feminist for Obama” button?

*giggggggle*

PERFECT!

lol

Woo-hoo, I’m a die hard Broncos fan, too… Back when Craig Morton was the QB!

nope, just for snacks! :]

I wonder if there are many women who honestly believe that Obama is the winner because he is black. I don’t think so and I hope not. Would like to think that the Dem Women are not racists.

*clink*

Don’t harsh my buzz, bro!!

I hope he will… It looks like it will be tomorrow…!

WOW!

tht’s WAY back there!

he was great with Red Miller!

wow

blast from the blue n orange past.

SO KEWL vid, bonkers!

Looking like Obama needs about 20 superdels to declare for him before MT and SD vote. If that happens, which seems possible, he’ll still have the “white working class” voters of MT and SD give him the nomination. Would be poetic justice.

And he already has the arena booked for that night night, the arena in MN where the Repube Convention is gonna be. Oh man, that is a smooooooth move by Team Obama!

She is a racist. I don’t care what sex racist she is or who she wants for president…she voted, but she is a racist. Really a pathetic and troubled person.

I am in the “hillary” demographic. was for edwards but switched to Obama. totally agree with libby with the faux feminism sentiment.

Thanks for being there through all that stuff, Jane.

That’s and odd question. I mean, you’re remarking about a whole group of people being or not being racist. Huh?

now watch my wife cry

Thank you for saying that. It’s so awful to watch the pathology in play.

It ends tomorrow or he changes his shirt tomorrow?

Amazing! At the beginning of the day, Obama needed another 41 delegates to clinch it (per Dkos). Now he needs 17 more, i.e, another 58 (per CNN).

Hey now…leave Sammy’s sex life out of this.

Beats me. Those who went to this meeting are the hard core group from both sides and they are heavily invested in their positions- plus they may (properly) believe that display of anger gives them more bargaining power in this case….

In the end- I don’t think it means shit! Obama is the nominee.

absolutely.

it IS fake.

these women are mad now, can you JUST IMAGINE them 6 months into a clinton administration when she totally forgets them and craps out on them and there is a sudden spike in husband murders in Appalachia adding a whole population of livid females to the already overpopulated prison system!!!!

ROFLMAO!!!

Yep !

Heh, He’ll be on with Wolfie tomorrow… I hope he changes his shirt…! ;-)

This is very good news. Obama has disassociated himself from Trinity Church.
This was necessary. I congratulate him on making this good choice.

makes me think twice about bush’s policy of political assassinations. :/

I had a perverse thought throughout much of the afternoon: I imagined Joe Lieberman showing up to testify before the RBC and demand that all the Florida and Michigan delegates be seated–pledged to McCain.

I made the decision to leave a congregation last fall. Still painful some days.

Today is a classic zero sum game- whatever is won comes at the other person’s expense. Should be no surprise that it generates a lot of emotion.

I am thrilled that we may be on the verge of electing our first black president and I believe the best nominee. But I would be lying if I didn’t admit and even shed a tear about the fact that maybe Hillary wasn’t the one, it came close, and it pains me to wonder how much longer before I get to tell my daughter that she too, could be president and that there would be a role model showing this to be more than words.

I do think we if we are going to pull those women back to the fold we have to aknowledge the depth of that pain. In every group who has ever been invalidated and subjected to violence there grows a fringe group that speaks the rage that most of us won’t aknowledge whether it be the black panthers, the feminatzi’s or whatever.

Instead of making fun of her, we should be validating her pain, just as I did for many years for any angry black man or woman who’s rage went beyond the pail. We can argue about who’s pain is bigger but I do treatment groups with survivors of sexual assault, some stories are horrendous, but it’s impossible to compare that kind of pain. Women die today because this division still exists. They die in this country for being women. It’s the number one cause of accidental death. A woman is most likely to be killed when she is pregnant. This goes on today. That pain is not dead it is still fresh for many women who see their only hope in female leadership.

I think the very fact that there is so little understanding about this anger validates the degree of sexism and how we invalidate it today. We understand the angry black man but make fun of the angry white woman. Yes, she has benefitted from white priviledge. Yes, she has an easier road that the majority of minority women in this country, but to some women, that line might not “feel” very comforting at all. I work in domestic violence and sexual assault. There is a lot of fresh pain accruing day after day in this country.

Please let’s not forget this and maybe through validation we can bring some of these folks back. They are coming from the pain of victimization which isn’t always rational. I hope Obama is smart enough to do this behavior. It’s what is needed to heal.

Oy! Bite your tongue!

I think she caught herself. I’m not for certain, but it sure sounded like “BLACK” may have been her second choice.

Yeah- he needs to adopt the Ronnie line (I prays ALONE!)

You did the right correct thing.

To be honest, I don’t even care that he’s black. I care that he makes a lot more sense on the issues that HRC or St John McShame. I care that he’s looking towards the future and not the past.

I wasn’t gonna say it. Thanks.

boy that was painful to watch.

during the voting, I kept expecting Mayor Daley and his cops to come through the door.

And I didn’t even tell you any of the sordid details.

Here are the numbers from Dkos, which are somewhat different from those of CNN:
– Obama needs another 64 to cinch it.
– Hillary needs another 240.5 to chinch it.
– 86 pleged delegates (PR, MT, and SD) will be decided by Tuesday night.
– There are 205 uncommitted Super Delegates.

Thanks wigwam!

I don’t see any difference between the two dems on the issues- if there ARE any- they certainly didn’t highlight em during their countless debates…so it comes down to:

African American vs. Woman

Middle Aged vs. Young

Or :

Which of the candidates is the most MORAL

(Standing ovation)

Without a doubt, understand this dynamic you describe. He’s already talked about it, and given his upbringing and his mother’s background, and now with Michelle and two daughters in his life, I’m convinced he’ll know how to handle it just right.

I have a concern over this afternoon’s actions in regard to what Ickes said.
I think it fair that both states got back only half their voting rights however, I do have a problem with the way Michigan was apportioned in that it appears the committee not only gave Obama all the uncommitted but also took 5 away from Hillary and gave him those too. So is there any wonder that both that lady and Ickes might be upset? It isn’t as if they gave Obama and Hillary the way the vote went but seems to have taken away from Hillary as well. That isn’t fair in my mind. I now it won’t make any difference in the long run, but why do it at all to make it appear that things were arranged just to suit Obama and HIllary ended up losing votes to him?

Here is the kos diary that mrs. k8 recc’d earlier. very funny recap

And honest. And how do they conduct themselves and their campaigns.

+ “Obama”

I think Obama is smart enough to win these people over. He and his campaign have shown incredible smarts.

Since Puerto Rico comes first (tomorrow) and Clinton is said to be favored there, it will be interesting to hear what kind of “victory speech” she gives tomorrow night.

You gave me the gist of it, that’s enough. (Knowing a little other background info of the parties involved.)