But the scrambling blather in the wake of Scott McClellan's 11th hour confessional tour has been a hoot to watch.
During our Fitzgerald/Libby coverage, I kept asking myself: why weren't the media doing their jobs? From the WHIG self-seeded news on the Iraq mess, to the plant and spin reportage of grand jury "secrets," to the Cathy Martin revelation that Russert's MtP was Dick Cheney's preferred venue (see the YouTube from Bill Moyers' Journal as to why) -- why weren't they asking the questions that really needed asking?
Why weren't they digging at all the facts? Why weren't they noticing -- and publicly noting -- discrepancies, self-interested story plants...lack of substantive evidence?
And, more to the point, why could some bloggers working from home, using a bit of wits manage to unearth and report on so much more useful information simply by bothering to read original documents or phoning up potential sources and just asking a few questions?
Until I realized: you have to want to know the answers. If you don't care about the questions, you don't bother asking them. If the truth isn't your aim, you don't dig beyond whatever you are fed. You go along, get along, collect your paycheck and head out to the next quail wing BBQ cocktail weenie fete and move up the ladder by being everyone's connected pal. You don't report anything that might rock your well-connected access boat.
Or, like Tim Russert, maybe you just sit around, hoping someone will call you and hand you the fricking story, and pray they tell you it's on the record or you are S.O.L. Because apparently it's just too much bother otherwise.
But there were some reporters who asked tough questions. Like the folks from McClatchy (then Knight Ridder) -- whose reporting, as Attaturk points out, has been superb throughout -- who rip the CYA squirming a new one and -- and deservedly so.
Good on them. And good on Dan Froomkin for calling for skeptical questions ages ago. And good for Helen Thomas, and Bill Moyers and every other reporter out there who remembers what it means to be a working journalist. Kudos. (Suck on this, "reporters" who didn't. This means you, Thomas Friedman. You get extra FU's.)
Glenn has a dissection of the media's cognitive dissonance on the smarmy McClellan realization that there is money to be made in breaking omerta only after your former boss's approval ratings tank. Glenn's point is not about McClellan, himself -- it's about journalists trying not to ask themselves: "Why didn't we do more? Is this, perhaps, our fault for not asking tougher questions and forcing the public to confront the fact that the Bush Administration was lying point blank?"
Heaven forbid they ruminate about what lies were told by and for the Bush Administration. Or why they spread them repeatedly instead of being skeptics. Who has the time when one is summering in Nantucket or quaking with the aspens?
Not expecting answers any time soon, thanks. Although, as Digby notes, Jessica Yellin apparently had a bit of a blurt on CNN about her former network bosses at MSNBC. (Ooooh, break out a fresh bottle of Macallan for Jack Welch.) Here's to more inadvertent blurts to come...I'd hope for media soul-searching, but I know better.
Dissent isn't disloyal. But keeping lies and manipulation of the public to yourself -- when you know that other people's lives hang in the balance? That sure as hell is as disloyal as they come.
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So, Christy!
Morning Ann!
There were be no America without dissent. It is our path to truth and justice. When we engage in a dialectical discussion that includes the polarities inherent in life itself we have the best chance of stumbling upon truth.
Hi Christy!
I hope these media indictments resonate and amplify until the MSM ends up like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxTZ446tbzE
Good morning Christy!
Omerta is the code of silence. He isn’t silent if he’s publishing a book. Perhaps breaking omerta?
Great footage Elliott, the replacement bridges are much more stable, but I can’t help but think of “Galloping Gertie” every time I drive over!
Good Morning Mrs Bit of Wits and Firedogs -
commented earlier this morning about how some of us thought the Libby trial might be cause for self examinination among the media lemmings . . .and of course had our hopes dashed . . .
in the words of Elle Woods - This Is So Much Better !
a national flaming train wreck none of them can run away from . . .bwaaahaaahaaaa!
oh yeah, I’ve got the SchadenfreudeCR® patch - y’all should try ‘em
There’s another word I’d chose than disloyal, Christy. I’ll leave it to your imagination.
Late to the lake here, so just read Attaturk’s earlier post and now yours. Thank you!
The disingenuous soft-shoeing of Brokaw and Gregory and Gibson, among others, is puke-i-fying. They should all turn in their press cards.
And I join the salute to the McClatchy team. They are what Bernstein was back in Nixonland. A marked contrast to the likes of Woodward and Russert and the rest of the pretentious gasbags.
Have I mentioned that I heard Imus say while talking about Scooter Libby and such that “they all lied, including some of my friends….” and moments later he specifically mentioned Tim and Mary. Oh, you noticed I’ve mentioned that a couple times already? Good.
Prairie today: First Responders
Dissent = patriotism.
Teddy Roosevelt in 1918, a quote oft cited by Glenn Greenwald and others:
The President is merely the most important among a large number of public servants. He should be supported or opposed exactly to the degree which is warranted by his good conduct or bad conduct, his efficiency or inefficiency in rendering loyal, able, and disinterested service to the Nation as a whole.
Therefore it is absolutely necessary that there should be full liberty to tell the truth about his acts, and this means that it is exactly necessary to blame him when he does wrong as to praise him when he does right. Any other attitude in an American citizen is both base and servile.
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. Nothing but the truth should be spoken about him or any one else. But it is even more important to tell the truth, pleasant or unpleasant, about him than about any one else.
Beltway corporate-news-media stenographers: base, servile and morally treasonous to the American people.
btw…Why hasn’t the FBI charged Usama bin Laden with the crimes of 9/11?
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topt...../laden.htm
Digg It Christy!
It continues to undermine the foundations of the rule of law that Cheney is a free man, much less still holding constitutional office. Subsequent generations will want to know what Congress and the citizenry were thinking.
The answers to unravel these awful years lie in that “man sized safe” in his office. So near and yet so utterly out of reach.
May the grim reaper devour his soul as he is unworthy of recycling.
The NY Times also gives Katie Couric some small praise for admitting that TradMed mostly punted:
and some mad props for John Walcott - Landay and Stroebel’s Editor - they the grist, he the mill
“You don’t report anything that might rock your well-connected access boat.”
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Ding.
Good thing for Scott that he wasn’t CIA, didn’t need to get the book censored. THis doesn’t seem to be a flash-in-the-pan story as the Rethugs had hoped.
Is Arianna still banished from all General Electric teevee shows. She did call fake journalist, Tim Russert, a Conventional Wisdom Zombie. And her book “Right is Wrong”, has 7 pages describing Russert’s Zombieism.
It is all about the Psychological Operations by neo-cons against Americans to promote War and Profits from War. (GE, Exxon, Halliburton, Disney, Blackwater…also zombies.)
Thanks that is exactly what I was looking for….
Early in our DFA meetings (Democracy for America) in Phoenix…. people would come and complain every meeting ….. “why don’t you here X or Y in the media”….. but those questions stopped sometime around 2006… they got it…. There is no more media except the toobz (there are a few exceptions) but you have to search for it…. Or you have to create it yourself…. by creating a blog and maintaining it…
it is a remarkable demonstration of the stepford media and pundits. And actually appears to be getting some coverage — of course,it’s all meta-news and everyone is trying to focus on the DC controversy rather than the people dying — but this one looks hard to avoid seeing for what it is. And it’s just becoming accepted in the MSM that the president lied — no pussyfooting around it, people just saying he lied. i’ll go for glass half-full here …
Wise words indeed from Teddy Roosevelt. This denizen of the Roughrider State aka the Peace Garden State aka ND salutes him.
FBI doesn’t prosecute, they are a policing organization. USAttys, now, they prosecute. When they aren’t busy trying to turn their ranks into something resembling sharia law.
Base Servile media indeed. Hmmmmm. BSMedia. Works for me.
That was a highly articulate outburst, CHS. Good on ya!
As long as the topic is dysfunctional media and useless Very Serious People, you may want to put on some hip waders, hold your nose, and wade into the conversation between David “Bobo” Brooks and Gail Collins in the NYT. Don’t say I didn’t warn you…
Dang, Christy, that’s a lot of links. Think I’ll just have to bookmark this post to come back for more later. Great job giving more perspective to what is going on here.
These issues are illustrative of the fact that the news media has become a propaganda vehicle for corporations. News in America is no longer journalism, it’s marketing.
It is not surprising that the marketing division of the military industrial establishment was not critical of the MIE’s invasion of Iraq.
i saw the link to that but didn’t have the stomach for it this morning ;)
It does take a particularly strong stomach.
Hmmm… is it just me, or is the question of “What did the President know and when did he know it?” getting hidden behind criticism of the media’s performance? Not that the media doesn’t deserve the criticism and attention, but is the Bush Administration hiding behind this issue?
When do we call Pelosi and, based on McClellan’s revelations, insist on impeachment proceedings - or at least on frogmarching Karl Rove into Congress to testify?
When does Helen Thomas stand up and ask Dana Perino if and when she has ever knowingly lied on behalf of the Administration?
and confusing loyalty with treason, loyalty with patriotism.
these maggots, (matlin comes to mind) are actually calling mcclellan “disloyal”
what a bunch of treasonous fascists, when you demonstrate that there are criminals in office you are called “disloayal”
these maggots have more loyalty to “the party” then they do the country and they are traitors themselves
“the party”
reminds me of hitler’s “the party”, they are fascists and care for their own butt, the dollar they can pocket and the corporations who contribute to their war chest
Morning, Christy! Good post!
Myself, I see a lot of shades of gray as well as the black and white. I see the David Gregorys who tried to get the truth and speak truth to power (at least some of the time,) but got rebuffed more times than I can count. (See TPMs retrospective, Hey, Wha’ Hoppened?) I see a former press secretary for the President who was only able to determine he was not necessarily working for the good guys after he got away from the bubble he was in. I also see Scottie as someone who at long last realized that being as close to the President as he was still didn’t get him respect (they treated him more like a pet than an equal) or even get his mother any support for her campaign. Imagine that! She has two sons working within the administration and they supported someone else. So I also see a press secretary with an axe to grind. He’s flexing his muscles now to show that they should have had a modicum of respect for him because this isn’t going to be helpful to pre-election jitters.
I see lots of greys, including a hero who prosecuted only one member of the administration for a crime tangential to revealing the identity of a covert CIA asset, an NOC, but no prosecution for a conspiracy that I also see. Could that be due to the fact that the President’s powers are plenary with regard to declassifying and he was the one that ultimately authorized the revelation of Plame’s identity?
I heard a comment here the other day about how the Congress should be the strongest branch of government, which is a philosophy I consider as unconstitutional as the President’s superiority to Congress and the courts. I hear lots of talk that would bring about the end of the so-called American dream, that would end the incentives to earn over a million dollars, because some here believe that you should only be permitted to take home $100K of that. I hear many begrudge Bill Gates and Warren Buffet and Ted Turner and George Soros because they have their nerve taking home so much more than the average Joe. Many say the government should take 90% away from these men, even though I believe these men are doing more good with their wealth than the government would. I don’t want that kind of money used for some bridge to nowhere or to line the pockets or the campaign funds of the next politician up the line, thank you very much!
All I know is that our government has moved way too far from a democratic republic, and is becoming either a monarchy or a dictatorship, and I wish it to stop.
Christy. You must be so proud of yourself right about now. I thank you and all of the FDL headliners along with so many others in left blogistan. Happy Spring!
I see the press, on the whole, acting like old commies. They don’t want to stand in line for bread, and they want their coutry homes, their dachas. So they repeat the party line happily, and if it savages one of their own, they make sure to do a very good job of being savage. Their masters are watching.
LMAO!!
RIGHT ON CHRISTY!!
Here, you can use my crowbar to pry your foot loose out of the collective ass of the media.
Oddly enough, the key moment for me in the McLellan frenzy was when Katie Couric (of all people) asked him about phoning her boss to push back when he didn’t like a question she asked.
This is a First Ammendment issue, and should be treated as such.
McLellan: “I don’t remember. … I don’t recall”
Scottie remembers all the stuff that enyone paying attention along the way already knew.
And he doesn’t remember anything actionable from what I can see.
I was dissapointed in Olbermann. He was so caught up in being right that he missed the opportunity to ask any really probing questions.
They are all Good Goodlings. The Bush Loyalists have taken a vow to support Bush, not America.
-G
Oddly enough, I really think more and more people are getting it! My niece, generally not particularly interested in current events and things, was saying that you can’t get the straight scoop in this country anymore. She is actually going to the web and looking at news from the BBC and Al Jazeera, and other European sources. I found that unbelievable!
Well, I’m off to follow Christy’s links. Need to read the Digby article.
Dissent is disloyalty.
The truth is unpatriotic.
McCain is a maverick.
I’m going back to bed.
Pelosi will never do anything except keeping impeachment off the table. Bush/Cheney must have frightened her.
Excellent post Christy. Not only must this administration be held accountable but the corporate media in the guise of their bloviators, newsfluffers, bubblehead pundits also need to be held accountable for their crimes of omission and commission. Far too many people rely on these corporate shills for the inforamtion necessary for making “informed” decisions. Start with Friedman and the pumpkin man.
Or, more likely, safely turned to smoke and ashes from that little fire at Cheney’s lair some time ago.
off to my friday double shift - friday news dump day - could be a helluva dump what with all the Scotty furor to hide in
mad progessive love to all !
Have a FDL day!
Christy,
You are WAY too kind to the media. What was called for was not “dissent” (a contrary opinion) but FACTS and FACT FINDING. The media chose to serve as a propaganda arm of the government. They should all find other lines of work, except for the few you cited (McClatchy, Moyers, Helen Thomas, etc.)
They have debased the meaning of the word “journalist.”
And this is OT as hell, but if people get a moment, please go read EW’s piece on the power blackout of 2003 and who REALLY caused it. Al Queda doesn’t need anymore 9/11s to bring a country to its knees(other than the ‘kaboom’ factor, which they seem to love) - all they need is a bunch of Chinese hackers.
KO’s been off his game for a couple/few months now. he has lost his ability to walk on the razor edge w/o falling to one side or the other.
His carzy assed “Specail Comment” accusing Hillary of calling for Obam’s assination was jsut over the top. I realize he is an Obama supporter, but hat was just propaganda.
He used to be a truth to power guy and hew very closely to the truth. Lately he’s all spin all the time.
It’s like a pod person took over his body.
Base Servile media indeed. Hmmmmm. BSMedia. Works for me.
!!!2!!!
A while back in a comment to an article of mine, One Fly wrote:
We don’t have either the educated, informed electorate, nor the active press that are required for useful public debate any more.
they are paid not to. if any of them had, they wouldn’t have kept their jobs. someone else willing not to ask the tough questions would have been found.
that’s why, fundamentally, i don’t think it’s a lack of wanting to know the answers (although if that curiosity can be encouraged it would be a good thing). i think it’s corporate pressure from above - just another form of censorship. and like most censorship, i bet they thought that they were doing the right thing. that it wouldn’t be helpful for people to hear dissent that might undermined the president.
I thought KO’s “Specail Comment” was right on the mark. :)
More pre-Iraq invasion digging and skepticism by the press would have been helpful, in preparing the public at least, but sometimes an air of dismay and/or solemnity can help. I remember hearing reports of the build-up to the invasion and the “preparing the environment” and basically thinking over and over, “Can this really be happening, although it obviously is?” There was too much of a ho-hum-more-unsexy-foreign-policy-news-bits-to-report or boys-will-play-with-their-toys air to some of the reporting.
Refreshing the public on what the Constitution says about the military and war-making couldn’t have hurt.
Guess which FireDog is being quoted at RawStory.
A functioning doctrinal system is well served by such a submissive, conformist, obedient media apparatus that is nonetheless widely believed to be liberal and/or oppositional.
Also a functioning political system is well served by a submissive, conformist, obedient “opposition party” that is nonetheless widely believed to be liberal and/or oppositional.
High-status blog, Downwithtyranny, frequently linked to approvingly by FDL frontpagers, had an interesting angle on the latest revelations featuring Dr. Steven Porter:
http://downwithtyranny.blogspo.....er-is.html
hmmmmm…. seems like some Forbidden Thoughts emanating from inside the pasture …. maybe the (D) headlock on ‘progressives’ is finally weakening a bit?
Advertising revenue is just drying up in the MSM for everyone including Olbermann. I saw some (not all) ads on his show last night, for golden oldie’s from the 1960’s.
HRC does not do as well as Obama in the prized 25 - to 54 demographic, so I know his producers didn’t give him much leeway.
He’s far from perfect, but afaik, he’s like Mt. Everest in Kansas compared to the other MSM talking heads.
Excellent! Who knew “super secret pixie dust” would leave a trail.
After watching Scottie’s interviews all over the place, I’ve come to the conclusion that he wrote the book to distance himself from Bush….so that he can get a JOB, because the stench from W is hanging him up….He keeps pointing out that he grew up in politics, comes from a political family yadda yadda…I’ll bet he’s going to run for office in Texas. His mother is rumored to be a contender for Mayor of Austin. The book is a political move of his to position himself as an eventual candidate for something and to run on an agenda of the “impermanent campaign”…stay tuned.
I agree with what you say.
But, I think he has become his Enemy.
(You know who.)
Just for the other side, but…I’ve stopped watching his show.
I don’t watch the other guys’s show either.
I think it is safe to say that Dana Perino has never done anything “knowingly” in her life. That would require a degree of sel-awarenenss she has never shown.
Ann in AZ #28, you are giving Gregory way too much credit. At a news conference he might ask a real question but his reporting on the evening news of that press conference would echo the White House spin. A long time ago I wrote a post here about a Charlie Rose, David Gregory interview in which both praised Bush’s intelligence and managed to completely miss what an awful President Bush was. Sometimes gray doesn’t mean conflicted, it means complicit and self serving.
The “Founding Fathers”- geniuses that they were, designed a political system that was idiot proof..
We’d have a free press reporting on misteps and bringing the truth to the people.
We’d have the courts overlooking the Prez and keeping him or her honest and within the confines of the constitution.
We’d have two houses of congress who would restrain the executive through a clever balancing of power and holding the purse strings and the sole right to declare war which would hinder monarchial behaviors..
It was ALL SO CLEVER.
Then we got an idiot and we discovered that the system wasn’t idiot proof at ALL.
The whole political fabric with which the american political system was constructed is rent—an idiot came- and showed us what fools we have been.
What we thought was an incorruptible system has no clothes- all the king’s horses and all the king’s men shall never put it back together again..
We are not able to fix this by changing the characters in the story– the whole fuckin story needs to change.
Frankly, I enjoyed KO’s special comment re: Bush’s “sacrificing” golf to show his support/solidarity for our troops.
Corporate censorship, hiring those who will rock the boat. But for the Russerts, Williams, Blitzers, Gibsons, Gregorys, Stephanopoulos, etc., they are rich. The media made them so. They don’t need to be ordered to do things by the powers that be. They have become part and parcel of those very powers that be.
The proper response by any astute student in a US Government class is:
“Checks and balances? Bullshit!”
He’s far from perfect, but afaik, he’s like Mt. Everest in Kansas compared to the other MSM talking heads.
An understatement.
I give the big guy a mulligan on his Hillary/RFK gaffe-azola.
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c varnell
Most of those guys just READ shit in front of a camera– they are no more reporters than is my dog.
Is it just me or is FDL having some “technical difficulties”? I have experienced slow connectivity with the site over the past few days. Seems to be isolated to FDL in my experience.
that’s some very nice writing rwcole
the truth is the founding fathers counted on each respective estate to be unwilling to yield power
they counted on the fourth estate to enjoy their power, congress, the senate to not acquiesce, the legislative to be vigil and not relent
yet for some reason, all branches, all estates somehow thought they could keep their power by giving that power to the executive
they all decided that “getting along” would insure they would not lose their seat to this power
an interesting contradiction of terms
Good Morning Christy and Pups.
Woo hoo. Energizing fodder for the day! Thank you Christy. Thank you Marcy. Thank you Pups.
I want to see the MSM beg forgiveness from all those they have unfairly and dishonestly maligned in the past, simply because: a)it was easier to go along to get along with this awful administration; b)it paid better to lie than to dig for the truth as real news reporters should do; c) they like koolaid & coctail weenies and schlepping with the high-rollers; d) all of the above.
Thank you for this post! I could hear the thud all the way to here, when it landed on Timmeh’s desktop. yee haw!
Now, to set up those repeater signals…
Probably substantially less. At least your dog will try to find out who shitted where.
Q: What did the President know?
A: He knew it all. Every bit of it, or (perhaps worse?) he should have known it, because it was presented to him. bin Laden determined to attack US was the header of one of his daily briefs in August 2001. Discussions with his English Poodle about having to sell war in Iraq on the basis of the nonextant WMDs in Iraq. He authorized the Plame leak. Unfortunately for us, he’s a sociopathic liar who deceives himself so he can deceive us.
Q: When did he know it?
A: When it was happening. Oh, I doubt he knew that September 11 was The Day. But he had advance warning and sat on his ass. He wanted to be a war president, because his gross misreading of history taught him that war presidents are great presidents. What about Washington, Mr. Bush? Jefferson had 1812, but that isn’t the reason he’s on Mt. Rushmore. A little thing called the Louisiana Purchase had a lot more to do with it than a war we lost. Yeah, yeah, the British allowed us to save face with the Treaty of Ghent, but we lost that war. Polk? The Mexican War probably bears the closest resemblance to your little Iraq misadventure, but that one worked for us. We got half of Mexico coming out of the deal, based on a drummed up war. Lincoln? He did his damnedest to avoid the Civil War. McKinley? He was stampeded into the Spanish American War by Citizen Kane and Rosebud. Wilson? He also sought to avoid involvement in the first act of the 20th Century Wars of Nationalism. Once in, and once our troops had settled the matter, he was ignored at the conference table and later at home. FDR? He was already a great president prior to World War II. Truman? His war was the Korean Police Action, and that wasn’t all that successful and at least partly his fault for not making it clear that we were interested in what happened west of Japan. Eisenhower-Kennedy-Johnson’s Viet Nam? I don’t know anyone who thinks *that* abortion went well. It’s a blot on all their Presidencies.
And now, Iraq II: The March to Baghdad. That’s your war, Mr. Bush. We’ll see how history judges you. My guess is, much closer to McKinley or Polk than to Lincoln or FDR. But McKinley and Polk succeeded in their war aims. You didn’t, buckaroo.
BC
The media will go into the tank for any prez whose party has control of congress and majority support with the public….
The govt. controls them.
The govt. can take away their broadcast licenses, refuse to allow mergers, create restrictions that cost em money…
Even PBS rolled over when the goopers controlled all houses of govt.
Now we learn that they even roll over when the prez is weak and unpopular and his party is in the toilet…
BRAVE, BRAVE, media conglomerates!
Franklin and Paine would be SO proud.
At the birth of our country, tiny little newspaper editors risked their lives to tell the story of the Revolution..
Now these fuckin mega monsters won’t risk pissing off a few advertisers to tell the truth…
It is a weak and defenseless land we inhabit, haunted by the mechanical ghosts of our founders.
me too. comment in the ethers etc….
Yep.
In addition, I think he represents a growing number of Republicans, who understand they have to break with Bush on Iraq.
Staring down the barrel of a landslide loss, suddenly Snottie McMuffin wants to talk about bi-partisanship.
history has already judged the man, we found out he lied us into war, there cannot possibly be redemption, it cannot happen
and that is the meme we need to propagate from every progressive
this president finds some kind of consolence, some kind of peace by telling himself “history will judge me well”, he can tell himself that and rest easy
well, I don’t want that rest to come easy, I want our politicians to disabuse him from the notion history will judge him of anything but a depraved war monguer
heaven forbid
Apologies in advance for being crass and unfeeling, but…
I visualize junior awarding a Medal of Freedom posthumously to David Bloom, then figuring he’s fixed things. Oh, they’ve been fixed, all right!?!
would that the boyking had the simple capacity to feel shame and remorse.
ditto 99.9% of MSM…
Here’s somethin all you brilliant media people might do for laughs– take out the blueprint of the nation- and find out if it’s workin the way it was sposed to- and then tell the truth about it!
Yeah- I know- no one would listen anyway- but wouldn’t ya at least FEEL a little better about it?
no, they don’t need to be ordered - haven’t they have gotten to to those high paying positions by proving their trustworthiness to not ask inconvenient questions (or perhaps their inability to do so)? and if any of them should ever harbor any doubts, the occasional demonstration (for example, peter arnett) reminds them of easily they may loose their 6 figure incomes.
is it unpatriotic of me to despise the practice of war for profit?
If someone would form a political party dedicated to the now unpopular notion of defending the constitution of the United States of America, would anyone join it?
bin Laden determined to attack US was the header of one of his daily briefs in August 2001.
Bush reportedly told the briefer: “Okay, you’ve covered your ass.”
I feel it is my patriotic duty to raise the possibility that Bush was so cavalierly dismissive because he already knew the Al Qaeda agents weren’t controlled by bin Laden.
[I hear tin foil being unwrapped]
Wait a sec…A little historical perspective. Prescott Bush did business with the Nazis for 10 months after the US declared war on Germany.
The bin Laden family was deeply involved in Carlyle with G.H.W.B.
Isn’t it natural to wonder if doing business with the enemies of this country comes natrually to the Bush Crime Family?
The media has the blood of over a million and counting on its hands. It just makes me sick.
Now, that the rent-a-General propaganda machine has been exposed, as well as McClellan’s exposure, they are all in “backstroke” mode…all innocent..FU to all of them, except a few.
Shorter Varnell: Osama bin Oswald
Media consolidation has been an overwhelming success. It made media companies richer. It made them easier to control by government and more responsive to that government’s needs. And ordinary Americans? Well, we were never part of the equation anyway.
In the past I have written that there has never been such a thing as a “free market”, that it has always been a question only of who controls it and for whose benefit. Much the same could be said about our “free press”.
btw, gang, if you haven’t watched the entire Moyers piece on the media and the missed Iraq reporting opportunities, definitely click on the Moyers link up top and watch the entire piece. We have talked a lot about all of this, but watching it come out of these people’s mouths, one right after the other, is incredibly powerful in terms of putting all the stupid cards on the table at once.
(Sorry, have been at dentist with The Peanut and the cleaning took way longer than we expected. Will pick back through the comments as I get time but for now, momma has to fix lunch for a very hungry bunny…)
im late to the ganme,but the media,and government were hijacked in NOV of 2000,and MILLIONS upon millions have suffered,with no end in site
Shorter comments, Momma Redd:
KUDOS TO YOU!
msm, not so much.
((((((Christy))))))
I want someone to ask McClellan how Bush could have watched the first plane hit the WTC on the teevee, as he “W” said he did.
Good morning to the Lake. Will FDL be live blogging that meeting tomorrow? I’m a huge meeting hater from way back, but of course, care about THIS one. I understand it’ll be a media circus, and some are live blogging it. I’ze just wondering if FDL will be there or keeping an eye on CSpan. Thanks.
Oh, how I pity you! Unless, by some miracle, the Peanut has a much greater affinity for Dentists than do most children her age.
excellent, excellent point.
why has the D leadership helped the Rs cover up the crimes?
and why are we letting our D leadership get away with it?
Yes, I still don’t understand this.
still catching up.
“special access” to Bush is like being proud to be a friend of OJ’s. All star struck and stupid and complicit in anything the criminals do.
shame on all of them. grow up and face the music of millions of angry american patriots.
just posted elsewhere that the reason the bush cabal is screaming about this “nonstory” (ie What Happened) is that they need to protect the Propaganda Machine at all costs.
Bring on the polygamy story to bury it after they’ve discredited Scott no wingnut welfare for me McClellan.
” “Rather than open this Pandora’s Box, the administration chose a different path — not employing out-and-out deception, but shading the truth,” he wrote of the effort to convince the world that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, an effort he said used “innuendo and implication” and “intentional ignoring of intelligence to the contrary.”
“President Bush managed the crisis in a way that almost guaranteed that the use of force would become the only feasible option,” McClellan concluded, noting, “The lack of candor underlying the campaign for war would severely undermine the president’s entire second term in office.”
If this is true, if the president intentionally ignored data refuting the existence of Saddam’s WMDs, he should be impeached.”
(my bold/LS)
Andrew Sullivan.
http://andrewsullivan.theatlan.....-grav.html
like we didn’t allready know he not only ignored that data but that in fact he deliberately hid it.
the man is a criminal, a war criminal, there are no two ways to look at this
of course his base will say this isn’t true but if the president claimed water is dry his base would have to agree with that too
I was surprised by Sullivan’s call for impeachment though…
Good morning to the Lake. Will FDL be live blogging that meeting tomorrow? I’m a huge meeting hater from way back, but of course, care about THIS one. I understand it’ll be a media circus, and some are live blogging it. I’ze just wondering if FDL will be there or keeping an eye on CSpan. Thanks.
At least Scott McClellan is being labeled a traitor before he testifies under oath. Thank you to the labelers.
Scott, you’ve crossed the Rubicon. There’s no way to get back across, and midstream you would get swept away. Keep coming with the truth, without feeling obligated to voice political positions, and you’ll attract friends who’ll help you along.