I suspect the right will characterize Scott McClellan's interview on Countdown last night as proof that he has joined the far left. But that charge will ring as hollow as their latest cover story that McClellan's editors wrote his book.
Scottie didn't say anything that fits on a liberal-to-conservative continuum, unless one views truth as a liberal bias. His main themes are not about left-vs-right ideology but about intellectual honesty and the importance of Presidential character. It's about lying to the public.
The delicious irony is that the man the White House trained as a propagandist is now killing them with sincerity and candor, a Mr. Sunshine burning through the vampires' crypt, while their ad hominen attacks only prove his main points.
McClellan's non-ideological epiphany presents a dilemma for Bush loyalists and McCain's campaign in trying to discredit their accuser. Are they arguing against Presidential candor and transparency when taking a nation to war? And since the truth about WMD and Saddam's non-threat was readily available from real journalists (more here), how does John McCain defend his WMD gullibility except by conceding he fell for Dick Cheney's mind tricks?
OLBERMANN: How did the vice president fit into this? How did—is the vice president responsible for the utilization of "weapons of mass destruction" and this kind of innuendo, "I didn't really say that Iraq had anything to do with 9/11, but I left you with that impression?"
MCCLELLAN: Well, I think there were a couple of times that he walked very close to that. He went further out than anybody else in the administration. I think the president was very careful not to make that in a direct way. But it's not the only issue where the vice president went further then others in the administration.
He also went further on the nuclear intelligence when he started asserting with certainty that Iraq had reconstituted its nuclear weapons program. So what happened was, that the intelligence was packaged together in a way to make it sound more ominous and more grave and more urgent than it really was. I don't think that this was some deliberate, conscious effort to go and mislead American people, but it was part of this permanent campaign mentality that exists in Washington too often today and it was taken from other policies, and brought into the issue of war and peace where it becomes especially problematic and especially troubling.
And does John McCain disagree with this:
MCCLELLAN: Well I don't think I held on to [a belief in Bush being a bipartisan leader] until the end. When we came in, we got some bipartisan achievements accomplished on tax cuts and on education reform, education reforms that I really believed in as part of his agenda. But by the time the Iraq war started to—well, I think it's critical that in a time of war, that you not only build bipartisan support going into it, but that you also maintain that support.
And to do that, you really have to embrace a high level of openness and forthrightness from the beginning. Because when expectations turned out to be unmet or improperly set, it came back to haunt us. And the president is not someone to willingly go and change course in terms of his thinking when it comes to, oh, we made a mistake on this front.
And so, I think that at the time I was there, I started realizing or started thinking that, well, maybe Washington can't be changed. Maybe this is just the way it is and both parties share all the responsibility.
But no one shares more responsibility than the president of the United States to set the right tone and to change things, and no one has more of a bully pulpit to be able to do that. But it requires embracing candor and honesty to a high degree, particularly in this transparent society that we live in.
And this White House was too secretive or has been too secretive, too compartmentalized, and you know, too willing to embrace the unsavory political tactics that are at the heart of the excesses of the permanent campaign.
The extended interview is filled with such moments. (The MSNBC videos are here.)
No wonder Bush loyalists and McCain's staff are in a panic. The wheels have been falling off the Straight Talk Bus as McCain was pummeled for his campaign and spiritual choices; he's voted consistently with Bush and has repeatedly praised Bush's war policies. McCain hoped to wear Petreaus' surge as armor, but if he has to defend why we invaded Iraq in the first place, he'll have to share the emperor's clothes.
Update: The LA Times appears to agree McCain "has some explaining to do." (h/t MarieRoget) Cliff Schecter has the list of issues.
H/t newtonusr for the video clip.
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Good morning, Scarecrow.
Scotty is currently on CSPAN’s Washington Journal
No wonder Bush loyalists and McCain’s staff are in a panic.
Why would bush give a shit?
That’s exactly how they view the truth. That is the fundamental way they’ve managed to manipulate our “two-sided” media for the last eight years.
Ruth Marcus on Barney’s take:
What else would you call it? You can’t say that they committed a crime and then say, I don’t think it was a crime, but…
That’s why when Colbert said it at the WH Correspondants dinner the reaction was so cold.
Morning everyone.
Scotty is going to be the guest on Timmeh’s MTP on Sunday. Do you think Timmeh will follow Darth’s script to tear Scotty down a peg? Or will Timmeh own up to any of his own role in the cabal?
Wasn’t that the original John Stewart quip?
May have been but it sure got a prominent spot in Colbert’s masterpiece. That’s what I remember it from.
bingo
a concervatives definition of “liberal bias” is any critisism of any republican, regardless how factual, regardless how depraved
any critisism of a democrat, regardless how rediculous the charge is “ballanced”
this is not snark it is a fact
Trick question, right? Or wishful thinking?
Buenos Dias Scarecrow
Pedro’s throwing Scotty’s words back in his face on keeping mouth shut on ills until can cash in on book.
Just googled it and Colbert’s name comes up 2x in the first page, none for Stewart.
Or will Timmeh own up to any of his own role in the cabal?
(applause for the always-difficult reverse-rhetorical question)
yeah, Tim “always off the record” Russert
I’ve always been pissed that no one in the press and no one on the left calls a lie a lie. Why can’t these guys gets some balls? If something is not a fact, how hard can it be to call it a lie? There’s all these new words for it in the last few years - someone misspoke, for example. Call a liar a liar.
“Truth has a well known liberal bias.” I thought it was Colbert at the Washington correspondent’s dinner?
If the media weren’t in such high dudgeon about it all, Scotty’s book could provide them with a cathartic experience.
But it won’t.
Interesting that we’re focusing on this. Last night my wife asked me to sum up the interview (she didn’t see it). I said “oddly, he still seems to care about Bush, but he seems to have suffered a real ethical crisis and is willing and able to speak truthfully about his time in the White House.” My feeling is that he’s still a conservative, but one who is (belatedly) joining the reality-based community.
But, but, but… If they did that nobody would offer them any more cocktail weenies…
me too.
and thus cheney and rumsfeld’s team b
these maggots develop a fraternity they make believe is part of the cia and that “team b” manufactures data and the administration uses it for their propaganda
rumsfeld, cheney, wolfowitze, all did this before, they did it with nixon and they are sociopaths
team b
please to watch the youtube I linked at the top
Happy Birthday, Biz. (my daughter in Hawaii)
It is hard to figure it out. He keeps saying they committed crimes, and did a shitty job, but then in the next sentence says he still thinks Bush is awesome. Apparently, the book is like that too.
I would like to see one of them ask:
After the president told you that he had authorized the Valerie Plame leak, when you saw him say to the nation, “….we may never know who leaked, but if I find out anyone in my administation, etc., etc.,” did it occur to you that it’s almost as bad as, “I did not have sex with that woman?”
I caught that this morning. Pretty funny article.
Did I just see an escape chute for rats being deployed from Titanic?
And where, pray tell, has the illustrious Secretary for Shopping, Ms von Ribbentrop been lately? Secret shoe shopping missions? Shopping for Rachel Ray scarf knock-offs?
your daughter’s birthday?
HAPPY HAPPY BIRTHDAYYYYYY 222222222222222 UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
He did. That’s when it got such great visibility.
However, it’s possible that wasn’t the first time he used the line — and as someone who rarely gets to watch either show, I couldn’t tell you whether that is the case.
he goes out of his way to say he has great affection for bush, and it’s said without restraint
I think he might be thinking to himself this expose is “tough love”
I see no reason to watch MTP Sunday. At this point, I’m pretty sure I’ve heard everything Scotty has to say - twice. He’s developed his own talking points (habit?) and that’s pretty much all anybody is gonna get, imo.
Condoleezza Rice meets rock band Kiss
STOCKHOLM, Sweden - The Kiss Army fan club has an enthusiastic new recruit: Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. In a departure from her normally staid diplomatic duties, Rice met the legendary glam rock quartet when they happened to share a hotel in the Swedish capital. Rice was in Stockholm on Thursday for an international conference on Iraq. Kiss had a sold-out gig to play on Friday.
(you asked, SD!)
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs -
. . .note to Chimpigula from the inestimable Sharkbabe -
The Calls Are Coming From Inside The House !!!
he can’t come to terms with his cognitive dissonance, therefore he compartmentalizes.
Sad.
Looking forward to the wheels falling off the corporate media express. Time to hold the rich, pampered, priviledged and coccooned pundits, newsfluffers, bloviators, editors, egotists and bubble heads accountable for their crimes of complicity.
maybe not, there might be some easter eggs, he has to keep the interest going and he probably wants to be part of this election cycle
Happy Birthday to BizCrow!!
this is too cryptic for me to decipher
hidden message please?
Condi put out a lame excuse yesterday about how the WMD intelligence was believable at the time — this from the country’s “national security adviser” whose job it was to vet this information. Oh well, just a small mistake.
the “team b” inteligence wasn’t believed by ANYONE, they knew it was manufactured and it fooled not one professional
I think he’s separating the man from his deeds. They were friends, after all.
it’s a tagline from dead teenager slasher movies. goes back to the me-to-me dayz at fdl :D
From someone who watches both of them “religiously” I don’t remember Jon using it—though Colbert’s performance that night was certainly of a higher profile and Jon may have at some time. But I very much remember it used at the WH dinner.
the operative word being “were.”
In any case, Scotty has never come off as being particularly bright. Hard to tell whether he is or not.
that just made my day, I am amazed anyone knows or remembers this
thanx cbl2
I think Timmeh will do everything he can to tear Scotty down. Until Scotty brings up the fact that Darth and crew think Timmeh is the best toady evah. Long past time for Timmeh to shuffle off to Buffalo. Never to be seen or heard from again.
Any response from McClellan about the Waxman invitation to testify?
Would Scotty do that? I haven’t seen many of his appearances across the telesphere, but I’ve yet to see him confrontation-y
In Stockholm to buy some vintage Swedish porn starring Tiny Tove.
Maybe we need to start a Hugh’s List for all the terms that have *replaced* LIAR. ;-(
Powerful writing Scarecrow.
He’s gonna be leaving a lot of Repubs squirming. Hope McCain is among them.
No kidding.
Timmeh shouldn’t be allowed to merely “shuffle” off to Buffalo but rather riden out on a rail. His credibility is completely gone making him a liability to his corporate masters. He doesn’t even have a fig leaf to hide behind.
He said last night that he hadn’t thought about it. He’s been so focused on the book tour ya know.
I agree with Elliot. I doubt seriously that he would turn on Timmeh. And Timmeh has his marching orders direct from the top.
I hope Scotty is ready for the onslaught. Keith and Jon are kind compared with the big time vipers.
Count me in the “I remembered it before it was explained” group.
*g*
Jack Balkin has a nice concise 3 paragraph description of how we got bamboozled into the war.
you got FB mail bro
Until Scotty brings up the fact that Darth and crew think Timmeh is the best toady evah.
Not. Gonna. Happen.
Lovely thought, though.
It was prolly her suggestion that we all go shopping to save the nation from terrorists
So what will the press people be talking about at their weekend weenie parties, I wonder?
we’re gonna need more fainting(feinting) couches . . .
enjoyed watching their acme plan of attack unfold and of course fail yesterday
first the A Team - Ari, Bartlett, Dana, et al - no real traction there, so let’s bring out the horde of generic gunsels to make it more personal, more mean -
. . .”he sat on the sofa, saying his usual nothing, lips pursed as always”, “he was never the sharpest member of the team”
well hey, weak ass try, but - thanks for playing! here is a lovely parting gift . . .
If you’ve ever worked in either the corporate or nonprofit world (pretty much covers the waterfront, doesn’t it?), you know it’s relatively easy to get caught up in the micro-world in which you operate. Especially if you like(d) your job. Management (I’ve been that) presses the mission and the vision of the organization. Major yay, rah rah for the goodness and rightness of the organization’s raison d’etre. I’m guessing the White House political environment, most of all in the reign of George II, has been all of that times 10, 20, 100. No excuse for any of them . . . not even Scotty McClellan. But systems dynamics being what they are, I’ve seen people sucked into the vortex (though the entire future of the country was not at stake) and eventually take a step back and see with relatively new eyes the absolute “rightness” of the mission.
All of which is an over-long way of saying that I do believe McClellan MAY have had buyer’s remorse. Can’t imagine what else (not even $$) would move someone to allow himself to become a human target for the raging right.
Amen and good morning.
Read. Gives a whole new meaning to, “Waddya gonna do, cut my hair and send me to Viet Nam?”
so true.
Attaturk’s early a.m. post, which I linked to, picked up on the McClatchy reporters got it right story. I also added a link (h/t Peterr) to a Froomkin piece.
A boy can dream, can’t he?
“Boy and His Dog“
the quail wings recipe?
Yes, it seems that Knight Ridder—which we all knew was doing the only real reporting at the time—is now getting some credit. Too bad. When they needed it was when everyone else was trying to bury it. Duncan picked it up too. My guess is that it will make the rounds on the “left wing haters” blogs today. And Glenzilla is in his usual form too.
I liked Jon Stewart’s take on the “He’s not the Scott we knew,” line.
Stewart followed with, “That Scott was a lying m-f er.”
That’s what we said when we fired up in the little garden in the Honolulu Airport on the way!
And a new entrant into the sweepstakes. Joe at AmericaBlog adds in:
there’s more.
So what will the press people be talking about at their weekend weenie parties, I wonder?
“Do you believe that little twerp is actually saying we didn’t do our job?”
“Bastard.”
“I’d like to punch him in the throat.”
“Screw Olbermann. Give *me* an exclusive, Scotty, and we’ll have a lovely little talk.”
“Giving us shit while he, of all people, knows good and damned well that tough questions would have gotten us banned from the press room.”
“Asshat.”
“Well, *I* certainly asked a tough question once. I remember it - left me shaking for days.”
et cetera.
some of us naively thought the revelations of the Libby trial would bring self examination and mea culprits from the Corporate lemmings - and of course had our hopes dashed . . .
this is even better ! not something easily characterized as an ‘obscure, only in DC story involving “arcane” laws’ Scotty’s book has ‘blown up’ as the kids say and is national - me likey
Party time everyone. Scotty is going to do an online chat via the WaPo today at noon eastern time.
OK everyone, start your engines.
707.
we could probably pick out who would say what.
I wonder what Helen Thomas is thinking about all of this. It would be great to get her to do an interview with Scotty. They could sell tickets to that one—or pay per view. I’d buy.
Yep. Pretty much the standard response to, “Yer not gonna do that here, are ya?”
Aw, shit. I gotta get fitted for a tux at noon. Have to catch it on the rebound. Damn.
has McCampaign made a statement ?
A really smart person suggests every other question should have the word “lie” in it — as in asking, “when did you realize you were being asked to lie?” “Why do you think this WH is so prone to lying?” “It looks like the WH is still lying in the way they’re coming after you. How do you feel about that?”
We’re in trouble now. Rupert Murdoch is praising Obama.
He knows we’re comin’ after him.
Actually, just hedging his bets. Typical rich f**k.
Seems to me the elite and bitter left needs to stop dissecting McClellan’s motives (carping diem?) and elevate the substance (haven’t read the book so could be on shaky ground with this, I suppose) of what he’s saying. That plus the fact that yet another Bush acolyte has extinguished his loyal little flame.
wrt to McCain’s reactions, this ThinkProgess link is in the post.
excellent.
This is a job for Teddy and the crew of able firedogs.
I’ve got a sermon to write. Sadly, it’s not about lies. I have to announce the topics too far ahead of time to be sharply topical, though some times it works out.
Darth Cheney definitely like his nukes. Of course, Halliburton is still paying Darth for his war profiteering policies. Halliburton has supplied Iran with “dual use” technology that can be used for nuclear weapons. But, was it Cheney who gave Iran plans for a nuclear weapon?
One person we have left out is Marc Grossman, number 3 neo-con at the Stae Department. Not only did Grossman give nuclear tehnology to Al Qaeda, Grossman also was a main source of the Plame leak. But Grossman may have helped the 9-11 hijackers.
OT from Marty Lederman at Balkinization:
sorry Scarecrow, blew right by it in my schadenfreude stupor.
thanks
Always room to mention Scott Peck’s “People of the Lie.” ;-)
You can digg the excellent McClatchy column at http://digg.com/political_opin.....kes_Spooks
The LA Times Editorial Page is asking the same question:
McClellan and McCain-
McClellan’s Book Bashes Bush, But It’s McCain Who Has Some Explaining To Do.
“That is why the person who needs to respond to McClellan’s charges is not George W. Bush but John McCain. The presumptive Republican presidential nominee has consistently said that he agreed with the decision to invade Iraq, even while faulting the inept conduct of the prewar planning and the occupation. As McClellan’s disclosures make clear, that’s no longer good enough. McCain’s ideas on how and when to end the war matter more now than his vote to give the president the power to wage it. But voters should know whether he believes the invasion was a strategic mistake…”
And Marcy is now all over that. As only Marcy can. She’s amazing!
McClellan’s book is a wonderful gift-wrapped present to the Dems at a surprise party. (What? You thought I’d run out of tortured metaphors?!) Whether or not that was his intention is now largely irrelevant. And yeah to the inclusion of the word “lie, lies, lied, liar, lied about, lied to, freaking lied” language for every single question posed to McBush.
thank you — that goes into an update:
The Rethugs are back on their heels now. Reminds me of the scene in “Lawrence of Arabia” just before they descend upon the Turkish column and one of al Aurens’ bodyguards leaps ahead, exclaiming “Take no prisoners!”
just got this from think progress and it’s TASTEY!
tee hee hee…I wonder if jane is watching
Deciding to change from war hero to Bush toady may not have been one of McCain’s best ideas. To counter that, I expect a full assault on gays.
hmmm occurs to me we should not criticize him too hard while there is still time to change nominees…since he is still only presumptive. Not that the same questions would pertain to whoever else they nominate. I’m just sayin’
Except Dems may be more like the earlier part of the movie when the Omar Sharif tribe and the Anthony Quinn tribe would kill each other on sight.
Very welcome, & thank you, Scarecrow, for yr. excellent post.
teh gay issue isn’t working as well for them as it has in the past. The theocrats are going to have to go back to focusing on enslaving women’s wombs to make their big bucks.
Have you noticed that all of a suddent there is a new Obama “pastor” clip being played over and over on the MSM again? At the height of Scottie McClellan making the rounds criticizing both the Bush administration and the 4th estate, there is suddenly another faux pastor controversy. Our media is pathetic and needs drastic reform.
who do they have to fall back on?
Just asking.
I’m sure they were hoping to save that for the election, they might have to expose their hand for a while thanx to scotty
Lets see if we can either ignore this one or so thoroughly trounce it as to see it go away. This one’s a Catholic priest. Hopefully it won’t get traction, but I guess we had better be ready.
Yeah. We gotta put a halt to that shit. Counterproductive, which is an understatement.
more candy at think progress;
tiz gettin hot in teh kithcen
Yah. I don’t get this at all. Being an atheist, they’re kinda all apeshit to me so it’s just what flavor of apeshit you choose. Seems like any given Sunday you could find a good YouTube soundbite just about anywhere. Hard to find relevance.
Oh ugh. there’s always Jeb. Or cement the coup.
Shouldn’t McCain also tell us if he plans to pursue these allegations and, if found criminal, prosecute them? The other candidates too. I would vote for anyone who said they would keep the current Congressional investigation open and use their executive power to help, instead of hinder, them.
yes to your question, and agree with all you say.
I think the name Bush has played itself out. The Bushites may love Jeb but 28% is still 28%. I certainly wouldn’t rule out 2012 for a comeback try, however. Something to look forward to. ugh.
Just popping in for a sec. I have just three words for David Gregory, Brian Williams and all the other msm lackeys who are so busy preening and justifying their sorry performance over the past 7 years: Rent.A.General.
We’re still waiting.
Where does Gannon/Guckert fit into the McClellan newsroom??
I like “rent.a.general” Can I use that?
Off to swim in the great capitalist cesspool. Play nice and don’t break anything.
Namaste.
Fit?
Making the decision to destroy structures and kill innocent people in order to complete an objective (otherwise known as war) is no place for truth. My god!! That could ruin the war machine.
this is great stuff from obama’s press secretary;
The Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, Obama’s Church once again offends the stealthy neo-cons. First a Protestant Minister then a Catholic Priest, both rant and rave about war and peace, and actually encourage social justice.
If only a Rabbi could also be recruited to speak at Trinity. Then we would have a trifecta. I am guessing there is more about Father Pfleger at TaylorMarsh.
These guys are gooooood!
bwaahaahaaa!
even before Scottypalooza - this past week his rib lickin’ good friends were using terms like “stumbles”, “faltering,” and “disarray” to describe McCampaign
couldn’t happen to a nicer war pig
that’s what I think, too, but I also tend towards perris’s wariness about whether we still have a democracy and will have elections.
Trying to remember who came in second…Huckabee, wasn’t it. sheesh.
Hello Dailia
Nosferatu” “Iraq Suceeding Brilliantly”
no, really, he said it just last night :D
Seconded. More editorials highlighting McCain’s need to respond to McC would be nice, too. Just sent an email to the LA TImes to encourage same.
Other stuff happening:
The US became one of the last hold outs to signing a treating banning the use/manufacture of cluster bombs — the ones that leave dozens of little bomblets around civilian areas to cripple children — think Israel, and Lebanon and Iraq. US Congress tried to ban; McCain voted “no” — Obama vote “yes.”
Also, it appears the siege of Gaza is preventing talented Palestinian students from getting their Fulbright scholarships. US withdraws the grants, because the Israelis won’t let them out.
scarecrow @114, of course. I heard it from my brother and am not sure of its origins :)
Oh yes. Been there, done that…(she says, with embarrassment). I’m older and wiser now.
why do we refuse to take part in talks on this?
because the bombs are so effective?
the bombs are too profitable?
or “you’re not the boss of me” attitude?
We may as well develop cluster bombs that really really look like toys, that way we can blow up more of the enemy’s kiddies.
I’m no longer living in Florida but I don’t think Jeb offers much in the way of good branding these days.
My understanding is that his actions as governor would mean that Obama would quite likely carry Florida if Jeb is on the R ticket anywhere.
Yes, at a minimum, Jeb was at the fringes of the Florida State Investment Pool malfeasance scandal. Can’t imagine anyone down there who is paying attention voting for him.
they are being used in Sadr City
and we may have missed this -
McClueless last night in Wisc.
Suicide Bomber kills 16 in Mosul
Oh, the US is “in” the talks; just trying to weaken the provisions, and then not accept the final treaty. Britain finally joined the ranks of civilized nations, but not US, Russia, China or Israel, so far. Recall that US was thought to be a major supplier of the bombs Israel used on Lebanon, and there was supposed to be an investigation, because there are Congressional restrictions on their use against “civilian” areas. I never saw a follow up report, but maybe I missed it.
If I could ban anything, I would start with the defense, “we killed the civilians because the enemy used them for shields.”
New thread: Media Indictment: Confusing Dissent With Disloyalty
nOT political but CSPAN,
today they are covering
starts at 11:00 am CSPAN 1
and the conflict in Darfur all day on CSPAN 3
they should pay me *s*
Christy has a new post up entitled “Media Indictment: Confusing Dissent With Disloyalty”!
Christy has a new thread. See you upstairs.
Why the change in format for FDL? It is too complicated and confusing to read. Wasn’t this way yesterday. Did I miss an announcement about this? FDL was one of my favorites but may have to move. Please answer my query. I am interested in knowing why this is happening. Can’t believe it.
In other words that you will more easily see my frustration: this is stupid!