Bill Donohue of the Catholic League and various right-wing think tanks (a man of notoriously fungible christian charity, particularly when his longtime political ally the pro-choice, pro-gay rights, apostate serial adulterer former Mayor of New York is concerned) is Very Unhappy Indeed that mean people are questioning his forgiveness of Senator McCain’s great and good friend Rev. Hagee over that silly Great Whore business (particularly since McCain decided to reject both Hagee and his endorsement). He can’t imagine why anyone would think he was in the tank.
His friend, Mr. Hudson (former Catholic outreach pointperson for George W Bush, for various interesting reasons) can’t imagine either
First of all, let’s grant that the question of political motivation would naturally arise after such a turn of events. Did Donohue, in fact, make up with Hagee for political reasons? A moment of reflection on the history of the Hagee affair should be enough to lead any fair-minded person to a negative conclusion.
Why? As I heard Donohue tell a reporter from the San Antonio Express, "Why would I criticize Hagee in the first place if I was trying to help John McCain?" This is a complete refutation of the charge that Donohue was politically motivated, clear to anyone who understands the basic laws of cause and effect.
Class, let’s see if we can help Mr. Hudson.
In the beginning (2/27), Donohue was extremely indignant
According to Donohue, Hagee has "made a lot of money off bashing the Catholic Church and blames Catholics for the Holocaust." What does it say about McCain that he would embrace such a figure? "This doesn’t speak well for him. He’s tolerating an endorsement by an inveterate bigot, and it’s been brought to his attention."
…
Regarding the intense 2000 media controversy when then-Gov. George Bush spoke at Bob Jones University, Donohue said:
Why were they so exercised about Bob Jones? This is worse. . . . If someone said to me: who is the biggest anti-Catholic bigot in the evangelical community, I would say: hands down, John Hagee.
For Catholics, McCain’s association with someone like Hagee is simply intolerable: "At that point, Catholics cannot join with evangelicals. To the extent you’re going to insult my religion, all bets are off."
Donohue contrasted McCain’s embrace of such a hateful and radical figure with Obama’s denunciation earlier this week of Louis Farrakhan: "Obama did the right thing. You’ve got to throw overboard the people who are the bigots even if they’ve done good work here and there. This is the problem I have with McCain." And he added that Hagee’s bigotry is hardly confined to Catholics, noting that a "prominent rabbi" had contacted him earlier today to ask that they issue a joint denunciation of Hagee/McCain, as the rabbi was deeply concerned that "too many Jews have also been mislead by Hagee."
The next day, McCain responded to the controversy
And just this afternoon, McCain issued yet another pro-Hagee statement when asked about Hagee’s repellent history:
I don’t have to agree with everyone who endorses my candidacy. They are supporting my candidacy. I am not endorsing some of their positions. . . .
And I am very proud of the Pastor John Hagee’s spiritual leadership to thousands of people and I am proud of his commitment to the independence and the freedom of the state of Israel. That does not mean that I support or endorse or agree with some of the things that Pastor John Hagee might have said or positions that he may have taken on other issues.
As has been noted many times, most recently today by Matt Yglesias, Hagee’s so-called "commitment to Israel" actually means that he wants Israel united so that the Rapture can happen and all Jews, including Israelis, will be slaughtered and sent to hell. And the "spiritual leadership" which McCain heralds consists of calling the Catholic Church the "Mother Whore" and a "cult" and arguing that Hurricane Katrina, which resulted in the devastation of tens of thousands of lives, was God’s punishment against New Orleans because it scheduled a gay pride parade that week.
Yeah. That was helpful.
Donohue didn’t think so either. He kept pounding until McCain did better (but apparently not good enough). McCain apologized. Donohue didn’t accept in somewhat peremptory terms.
On March 4, though (on a day when a number of Donahue’s attacks appeared, including one in which he said that Senator Obama handled his pastor problems better, fighting words if ever there were some), Senator McCain won the nomination anyway. Coincidentally, Mr. Donahue’s tone changed somewhat after that
March 5: “If McCain was right to slam Bob Jones in 2000, why is he letting Hagee off the hook now? In fact, when Bush did apologize for his visit to Bob Jones (he was explicit and forceful in his denunciation of the school), McCain criticized him for taking so long. He said, if ‘you don’t say anything until three weeks later, then you have—are—abandoning your role as a person….’ Once he [McCain] explicitly rejects the anti-Catholic baggage that Hagee carries, it will be enough to settle this matter once and for all.”
—Bill Donohue comparing McCain’s reaction to the Hagee controversy with his reaction to Bush’s speech at Bob Jones University in 2000March 6: “No one should take from my criticism of McCain on this issue that I in any way think he is anti-Catholic. If anything, John McCain has been a good friend to Catholics. But he and his staff have, thus far, grossly mishandled this issue.”
—Bill Donohue on McCain’s poor judgment regarding the Hagee endorsementMarch 6: “Pastor Hagee endorsed me. That does not mean I endorse everything Pastor Hagee said. All I can say is lots and lots of people endorse me. That means they embrace my ideas and positions. It does not mean I endorse them.”
—John McCain, when asked about the Hagee controversy while in GeorgiaMarch 7, morning: “Fortunately for McCain, he did not shut the door and say this matter is over. But time is running out. We expect to hear a more definitive statement that explicitly rejects Hagee’s anti-Catholicism. If we don’t, criticism from many quarters will only escalate. It is one thing for a candidate to disagree with the Catholic position on certain public policy issues, quite another to break bread with an anti-Catholic bigot.”
—Bill Donohue on McCain’s continuing tepidnessMarch 7, evening: “We’ve had a dignified campaign, and I repudiate any comments that are made, including Pastor Hagee’s, if they are anti-Catholic or offensive to Catholics…. I sent two of my children to Catholic school. I categorically reject and repudiate any statement that was made that was anti-Catholic, both in intent and nature. I categorically reject it, and I repudiate it.”
—John McCain when interviewed by the Associated PressMarch 10: “Sen. McCain has done the right thing and we salute him for doing so. As far as the Catholic League is concerned, this case is closed.”
—Bill Donohue, in response to McCain’s repudiation of Hagee’s anti-Catholic comments
and as the night to the day, it follows that Mr. Donohue found that Hagee wasn’t a bad guy after all, through the auspices of Mr. Hudson
Today at 3.30 pm I had the pleasure of introducing Rev. John Hagee to Bill Donohue, president of the Catholic League, at Donohue’s office in Manhattan.
…
Donohue said, "Pastor, you are my friend from this point forward and nothing’s going to change that. We have our theological differences but we Catholics and Evangelicals need to work together — that is the liberals worse nightmare."
Unfortunately for the newly-minted nonpartisan BFFs, it wasn’t a nightmare McCain decided to stay a part of
Republican John McCain has rejected the endorsement of an influential Texas televangelist criticized for his anti-Catholic views.
John Hagee, the Texas preacher, withdrew his endorsement at the same time.
McCain issued a statement after audio surfaced in which Hagee said God sent Adolf Hitler to help Jews reach the promised land.
McCain said in a statement: “Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them. I did not know of them before Reverend Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well.”
Hagee also issued a statement saying he was tired of baseless attacks and he was removing himself from any active role in the 2008 campaign.
Donahue didn’t see it quite that way
“One week ago today, I met with Pastor Hagee in my office. I found him to be sincere, apologetic and friendly. I also found him to be the strongest Christian defender of Israel I have ever met, and that is why attempts to portray him as anything but a genuine friend to Jews—one for whom the Holocaust is the horror of horrors—is despicable.
Hagee’s decision to sever all ties to McCain is noble: He knows he has become a liability to McCain, even after he has made amends to Catholics. What this proves is that Hagee, unlike Rev. Jeremiah Wright, is not an egocentric man. He is also not like the partisans at the Interfaith Alliance which today called on McCain to reject Hagee: when it was founded, the Interfaith Alliance received $25,000 in seed money from none other than the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee.
Pastor Hagee can now move in the religious circles he has become accustomed to, and continue his ministry without distraction.”
Certainly Pastor Hagee can agree with that. No-one could credibly accuse him of being antisemitic. Antisemitism, he says, is a peculiarly Catholic phenomenon (as was the Holocaust). Made a whole movie about it.
Before March 4th.
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Hagee isn’t advocating murdering the jews- he figures that God is gonna do it- but it ain’t HIS fault after all. He’ll be sad ta see em go (I guess).
Aloha, Julia!
The Arabs- another semitic people, are actually well spoken of in the Bible- they came from one of the GOOD guys.
Hagee, gosh darn it, just calls em like he sees em. The danged BIBLE says that the jews are gonna get fried- an Hagee is just passin it on. He ain’t in favor of it mind ya.
*rolls eyes*
Hey, C.
The jews, another semitic people, wrote it.
Well, yeah.
These are some really sick, twisted people. They deserve each other.
Yeah- so why can’t they all jest GET ALONG!
Good Gawd, Not from those heathens…! ;-)
sorry, it was all I could muster after reading your great post.
You can Digg this post HERE!
My personal prejudice is that it all goes bad when you get politics involved.
Religion is jest too fuckin hard- I’m relyin on politicians ta tell me how ta believe.
I find all of this religion weirdness hard to follow.
“My imaginary best friend is better and more important than your imaginary best friend.”
Hagee can go fuck Donohue. They are both most unattractive and boring.
nah, I thought it was a good response. That’s pretty much how I feel about it, only a little wordier ;)
Lady, you got kinks.
no thanks. i don’t need to prescribe to any of the beliefs of bush
I really don’t care about this whole controversy, but at least the Eli thread is over.
RX for bitter pills
better living through pharmaceuticals
So you think that Bush BELIEVES that stuff?
Funny when a religious conversion happens just when a guy is startin his run for prez.
I don’t know if he does or not. My point was that unlike you, I’m not looking for any politician to tell me what to believe.
There are the Catholic nuns who stand in front of the School of the Americas, the ones who get arrested protesting. The are th Berrigans who took a stand on the Vietnam War. Then there is a Donohue who listens to his bloated ego.
I was raised Catholic but don’t practice anymore but I have huge respect for those who truly live their beliefs. Donohue is not one of them.
Aah, But Mother Nature provides better meds than Big Pharma…! Go Green…! ;-)
Politicians are the best people to ask about religious issues- cause they’re totally objective. They don’t really GIVE a shit.
You know, it’s interesting you should say that. It turns out that in every campaign Rove has ever run his candidate has undergone a religious conversion.
I agree but our republican friends tend to go with big Parma (blue pills)
Wonder if he gets a volume discount?
that’s not entirely true. jimmy carter was faithful to his religion.
Politicians could switch to a belief in a world resting on the back of a giant turtle if there were enough votes in it…
It’s sort of impressive that they are so flexible.
I wonder how much cash the Donohue/Hagee spat, and the publicity for each of them that attended it, raised for their respective coffers…
mcclatchy:
Former Bush donors now giving to Obama
By Greg Gordon | McClatchy Newspapers
A McClatchy computer analysis found that hundreds of people who gave at least $200 to Bush’s 2004 campaign have donated to Obama. Among them are Julie Nixon Eisenhower, the granddaughter of the late GOP president Dwight Eisenhower; Connie Ballmer, the wife of Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Steve Ballmer; Ritchie Scaife, the estranged wife of conservative tycoon Richard Mellon Scaife and boxing promoter Don King
So lets get Donahue and Hagee in a cage match and see which one God favors.
wow.
hmmm Don King. Yep he was a big ole Bush/GOP donor. Would explain much about him (though not his hair)
McBush recently switched ta the Baptist persuasion in preparation for his White House run…Goopers have ta be Baptists now- SOUTHERN baptists I guess.
I’m offering the Upper Peninsula of Michigan for settlement as either a Jewish or Palestinian Homeland. End the madness, let’s just start over. Cheap too. $500 billion. Michigan needs the money and won’t miss the place really. The current occupants, Uppers, will gladly take the buyout and move on, to Florida probably, except for the diehards who love brutal winters and summers lasting 39 days or less and permanent recession but they can move to way downeast Maine. The advantage there being they share some of the same language, eh?
There ya go!
No, remember, they’re Batman and Robin now. As much as they have contempt for each others’ religious views, they both hate liberals more
One of the funniest moments of the Michael Steele race was when he actually threw a press conference to announce that he had the Don King/Mike Tyson endorsement.
HA! I remmember that. Umm Michael? how did that endorsement work out for you?
Wouldn’t that make them The Riddler and The Joker?
There must be video somewhere!
His most articulate supporters – I gotta hit the youtubes!
wobbly, I missed some of the weebits saga. Mama never returned? About how old is weebits now?
Heh, is she/he sleeping through the nite now…? ;-)
Momma never came back after that second day. She has been with us for almost three weeks (on Monday) and is about 26 days old? (maybe 28). She has discovered playing and the kitty trifecta is now complete (eat, poop, play)
Someone needs some better denture adhesive or someone swallowed a whistle…
McBush condescending to teenager
She actually had been sleeping uo to 10 hours at a time but now she is down to about 8 hours (on bad days–she was umm constipated–it was every five hours)
707!!
hell even Judas had God on his side
I think that should be eat, sleep, play. Poop don’t count. *G*
Aw, geez, the toobz is acktn up agin.
you are correct. how could I forget that sleep part? *g*
You may have a point. Or Penguin and Catwoman.
Yeppers, kicking up a squall again…! 8-(
It’s baaaaaack.
WTF is up with Emily’s List?!?
http://thehill.com/leading-the…..05-30.html
They’re actively trying to oust Blue American, and one of the more Liberal Reps, Steve Cohen. They couldn’t find a more worthwhile race to put their money?!?! Damn.
“Emily” isn’t very specific about the switch.
Damn, I like Cohen.
Supporting someone just because she is a woman seems like a bad idea. From those numbers shown doesn’t sound as if she has much of a chance.
Uh, Julia… Great post.
wobbly invited me up from the basement.
I promise to be on my best behavior.
*goin to get another beer*
brb
It’s got to be so much fun watching her grow.
Time for me to go crawl into my tree.
Namaste
Republicans I know are still bitter about that. Hahahah I love it.
The dude made up a story about people throwing oreo cookies at him, what a dick!
It really does sound as though you folks were having yourselves an interesting evening before I got here…
It’s why Tweety has on occasionally, justa spice the place up.
Well… you know, you could just leave.
;~P
A blog classic: Steve Gilliard on Michael Steele, oreos and Mike Tyson
sniff.
boa noite SD. Peaceful dreams
It looks like it’s gonna be an old school matchup… Lakers-Celtics… Go Celts…! *g*
That is a story for the ages, what a freaking tool
Go lakers!!!!!
That’s right! Tyson was such a wreck, I forgot that he bit Evander Holyfield’s ear off!
OMG! Thank you for posting this link. I want mr (the brit) to read this.
Just part of it. :)
Double entendre
Was SD referring to SD or weebits re: crawling into tree?
hmmmm
Heh, Bite me…! ;-)
Dr Bong, I think you made Julia cry, dude. Tell her you’re sorry or no more beers for you tonight.
Aw, jeez… Get over yourself.
OK you can stay.
Fuck, I miss Steve.
don’t make me report you to Jane. *g*
Oh, and sorry, Hoolia!
I’m guessing that he was referring to himself.
My 75 was for Wobbs… BTW, which reply does one hit in this mode, the left or the right…? Neither seems to work…
…or foreshadowing, perhaps?
Hard-refresh now, everybody. We’re all good.
fuck, me too. He was a great guy, and boy we could use his mind right about now.
RIP Steve
karma *g*
Oh, this is a shock…
In the NewsBox:
Former Speaker Hastert to join lobbying firm
and ftfy ;)
Maybe sometime soon our planet will come into some sort of interplanetary or inter galactic alignment that instantly makes everyone recognize how utterly silly but frightenly dangerous all this religious demagoguery from most faiths is. Then, we just find ourselves not being frightened into giving such people any money anymore, and they go back to selling SUVs or something like that, more useful than superstitious religious bigotry.
down in California with Ms. ET, watching ETette kck some serious butt in day one of the NCAA women’s rowing championship.
One of my all-time favorite blog posts…
http://firedoglake.com/2007/06…..1966-2007/
Damn right, We Fight Back!
Hope we’re doing ya proud, bro.
yep
RIP Harvey Korman
:(
shocking! No one could have forseen this turnof events. Someone bring me my smelling salts.
My, how times have changed. It used to be none of them would admit Abramoff was tied to Republicans.
Who’s Hastert going to lobby? His caucus is getting wiped out.
:*( We’ll be watching Blazing Saddles in his memory (after weebits has her bottle)
zzzzzzz
The Jaba-the-Hut Society for four gallon-per-mile SUV coalition.
Denny’s first client:
http://www.johnsonville.com/ho…..ts/cheddar
or maybe it’ll be this one:
http://www.gmsma.org/
or both!
Well, my keiki and wife would like to eat sometime… I shall return! ;-)
teehee
At least he’s got a job… I hear Abu G is still looking for a day gig.
how true! (the demogoguery)
Wow, I didn’t know WWU was doing so well in crew. Back in my day, it was the Huskies that dominated. We Bears liked to shake them up with our still new-ish crew program. Glad your daughter is enjoying it so much. It’s hard work but fun too! We were lucky to have a beautiful place to practice: Lake briones in orinda, ca. The women’s program later joined the men’s in the oakland estuary (yuck) but then returned to briones.
It’s been rumored for years that Denny’s enjoys a kielbasa from time to time…
Aw Julia, I really miss Steve, and Jim Capozzola. Both are greatly missed.
Hmmmm, Denny’s
Moon over my hammies
gotta go
got the munchies
;~P
Too bad Hasturd and Mike Applebee’s couldn’t run together someday…
Denny’s/Applebee’s ‘12!
The facility that they’ve created for UC Sacramento on lake Natoma is pretty solid – good beaching spaces, well-marked, not windy very often, good hookups for media, lotsa parking.
We got stuck in what we’ve decided is the Rancho Cordova Triangle yesterday, but broke a mirror today, and we’re out in the countryside overnight, away from the crazy sprawl of northeast Sacramento.
Yeah, Jim was a sweetheart too.
Boy, I’m a cheery creature tonight, aren’t I. Cacciatore in cooking class tomorrow (or as the woman making last week’s jamaican food called it, fricasee).
ET – do the crew squads still carbo-load at The Old Spaghetti Factory across the freeway?
Boy you know more about Lake Natoma than I do…they started competing there just after I graduated. Apparently it’s a great site for rowing. Lots of flat water and warm weather. I still notice “glass” conditions when I pass a lake (or whitecaps, yikes).
Yes, some parts of Sacto are really malled over. Old Town is nice if you get a chance.
You could make a
mintbit of money right here if you’d put together the recipes in a cookbook.fixed it for ya
Oh ET and you broke a mirror? LOL.
I had to drive the team van in San Diego during a visit. The side mirrors stuck out so far that if I stayed within the left line I knocked every side view mirror of the parked cars and if I moved away from the parked cars, I was way over the center line. My teammates were so freaked out but I couldn’t help it! It was like running a two by four along a picket fence. really embarrassing!
I think my kid’s school is going to put together a pdf. If they do, I’ll link to it.
That’s going to be a problem with the Obama era. Everyone’s gonna be so damned mature and responsible. It won’t be cool to do all the petty namecalling. Where’s my inner 12 year-old going to go, huh?!?!
No more Denny’s Hasturd.
No more CrazyTrain McCain.
Oh well, I guess I can trade that stuff in for Peace and Prosperity throughout the world…
McInsane is backpedaling furiously again…
word
KO played this along with a reporter busting his chops on his “facts”. He sniggered and wheezed like Peter Lorre. Then he says “they will have been drawn down”. The way he smiled and grimaced was freaky. I’ll try to find the vid.
LOL – indeed, they did that Wednesday night. Last night they had the NCAA banquet. Ms ET and I walked up to the Holiday Inn as about 500 or so young female athletes were standing around in fancy summer dresses, in the parking lot and entrance, waiting for their rides to the banquet. WOW! What a bunch of beautiful, strong women.
I really think it’s going to be a comical Autumn. Panama John has got to be one of the worst candidates I’ve ever seen in my entire adult voting life, while Obama is probably the best. Obama’s already neutralized some of CrazyTrain’s perceived advantages, and doing this while still fighting off the entrenched Clinton/DLC, and the Noize Machines at the same time.
It’s breathtaking what Team Obama has accomplished so far, and the scary part is that they’re just getting warmed up…and finding their bearings, if you will.
Oh, there’s been some wonderful pushback on that. The Washington Post Factchecker called him out, and gave him three Pinocchios based on his lame attempt to talk himself out of it.
site wacky again…
can’t…resist…F5
D’oh!!!!
nite, all
I used to work at that place.
When the crew squads were in town, we’d serve nearly 2000 dinner per night.
I swear they’re seriously ‘factually challenged’… Bobo was just on the Newshour here and he was lost as usual…!
As Eli’s previous posts spells out, Bobo and friends are paid to be “lost.” Actually, they know exactly what they’re saying and why, and they’re quite good at deceiving.
nite drbong
heh, I enjoyed this snippet…
Excellent question…! ;-)
That man is fucking immature scum.
Why aren’t Gates and Petraeus tutoring McCain? Or are they, unsuccessfully? They could tutor him as a Senator and keep it all classified; so much for knowing the extent of the interaction.
Uh oh. Sounds like Johnny Panama needs to pay some people to set up another bar-b-que at his “ranch.” The pressivists are getting restless.
That son of a bitch was caught with his bare face hanging out saying, “night is day,” and his spin doctors insult our intelligence by claiming that’s a quibble over verb tenses. FUCK ‘EM!
Sounds about right. We had a BBQ in the park at Natoma this evening, and some of these women had three big helpings. They get tomorrow off, because they won their heats today. The finale is Sunday.
Anyone here for the fdl session yesterday morning with Jon Tester and Mark Begich?
I think we overthink this stuff sometimes. I think they do this kind of thing because it’s always worked before (or at least it’s been working for a long, long time – at least since Reagan).
That’s a whole career for some of these people, and an entire life for some. Conservatives don’t get factchecked. It’s just not part of the narrative.
Hell, Fossella, who only got 55% in his last race, genuinely thought he was going to be able to run again and win after the drunk driving and the second family came out.
McCain is an alzheimers sufferer, just like Reagan was during his entire second term. Reagan all but drooled on himself during is final debate in 1984.
Here’s the vid of KO covering this fresh gaffe by McCain. I like the part one minute in where someone reminds him to smile and not looked pissed.
I love Rachel Maddow’s analysis that the war president doesn’t understand the basics of this war and this is what he is supposed to be good at.
Eureka Springs has tunes upstairs!
Late Late Nite FDL: Young Galaxy
Hey now! well that’s just a heapin’ helpin’ of good old American confidence and can-do!
I was. I love Tester…
And boy, it would be nice to be rid of Senator Tubez, although it would be even nicer if he ended up in jail.
It’s going around. Bob Dole released an open letter to McClellan today talking about how A Real Man with Moral Fiber would have quit if he knew about Bad Stuff Happening.
Bob Dole, as I guess he’s forgotten or hopes we have, was the head of the RNC who tried to help Nixon bury Watergate.
Well, one of them. He was replaced halfway through by GHW Bush.
Yikes. Look at the time.
Night, folks. Thanks for stopping by.
Nite Julia! Thanks so much!
How did you feel about Begich’s responses. It seemed to me he couldn’t quite eet a handle on the format, and it also seemed he and Tester had a real full time schedule, and could hardly develop a meaningful conversation here. Too bad. I like Mark. Glad to see he’s BlueAmerica. I wonder when Jane and Christy are going to agree with Howie and do the same for Diane Benson?
Julia, cool post. I composed a response, which the toobz ate, good thing. Mostly waxing on about the old pope’s yummy red ferragamo slippers.
Speaking for myself, and not knowing Mark at all, I have enough faith in Tester to support him.
And as to the format: it takes time.
Honestly, I thought that the biggest problems were time constraints and the fact that the server hamsters seemed to be a bit off their feed.
I suspect, too, that with a local politician running against a national politician with the kind of seniority Steven has got, he felt as if he had to be extra careful that he didn’t get caught up in anything that can be used against him. It is gotcha season.
As I recall, Scottie DID quit. sheesh, dole (rolling eyes).
Someone in the wake of the OJ trial had the gall to say to me “if things were so bad, why didn’t Nicole leave him?”
I said, she DID leave! Look what happened!!
Duh. anyway, great post Julia. see ya next time.
thanks. I’m writing a post on it right now, and – even though I wasn’t there – that’s my sense, reading back through the comments. I was on the road from WA to Sacramento, and only heard about it when I opened an e-mail from egregious after it was long gone.
Julia–thanks so very much for the work put into composing this masterful post.
I have recently enjoyed re-visting the Medici era and the Catholic Church’s confrontation with modernity (as it was perceived in the 1500’s).
Other than the fact he kinda has a big gun, Donohue is much funnier than any get-off-my-lawn asshole I ever endured in 1950’s – 1960’s suburbia.
That said, the Colorado/West Coast Catholics I grew up with are more vehement than I about the sphincterific attributes of the Donohue’s Catholic League.
That said as well, progressives need to pay close attention to recent-immigrant Latino Catholics, because many are just a step away from seriously magic-oriented evangelical/revivalist stuff.
Still, thanks for the Donohue laugh…