The Right-Wing Chorus, always focused on the "BIG" things literally, burned up the internet over Obama mixing up Auschwitz and Buchenwald concentration camps.
I'm going to to go out on a limb here and declare they were both hell-on-earth.
But, somehow this minor error -- of a type that each of the candidates make regularly in some fashion the more they speak during the never-ending campaign, has to them suddenly become the biggest story EVAH!
This would really concern me, if I thought Obama had lost the votes of the likes of Powerline, Redstate and Michelle Malkin. But amazingly, he never had them to begin with. Try not to fall over in shock.
But these clowns jump on this gaffe having kissed the unerringly wrong keister of George Bush for seven and a half years.
Let us not forget this love sonnet to Mr. 28% from a besotted John Hinderaker:
"It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can't get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile."
Meanwhile, back in the real world, just yesterday, among the many outright lies to downright stupidities of the Stuffed-Flightsuit was this:
McClellan describes Bush as able to convince himself of his own spin and relates a phone call he overheard Bush having during the 2000 campaign, in which he said he could not remember whether he had used cocaine. "I remember thinking to myself, 'How can that be?' " he writes.
If you cannot remember, you did too much.
And on Tuesday as noted here and here, John McCain -- who is the new unerring acolyte of the ever-obtainable never achieved victory in assorted wars ongoing or yet to be named -- said this in a speech about curbing nuclear proliferation:
Many believe all we need to do to end the nuclear programs of hostile governments is have our president talk with leaders in Pyongyang and Tehran, as if we haven't tried talking to these governments repeatedly over the past two decades.
We've been talking to the leaders of Tehran?
That's funny, you would think we left-wingers would be applauding a rare moment of Bush doing what we advocate. But, as you know, while we have had multiparty talks with North Korea that have produced some results, we haven't directly communicated with the government of Iran in a long, long time in any official capacity, at least since Ronald Reagan sent over an inscribed Bible with a smiley face sticker.
In fact, as Hilzoy notes:
Does McCain not understand that the stated policy of the U.S. government since April 7, 1980 has been to NOT TALK TO THE IRANIANS. And that we have not negotiated with Iran over their nuclear weapons program.
The whole issue on Iran and whatever it has for a nuclear weapons program is that WE DO NOT TALK TO THEM, the question is whether changing this policy so as to actually talk with them could possibly be any worse.
And, of course, it could not.
But McCain apparently thinks all prior Administrations, including Bush II, have been chatting up the Iranians all this time to no avail.
And yet Obama is the one making the gaffes?
Is there no end to the rings the right-wing clown show will add?
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“It must be very strange to be President Bush. A man of extraordinary vision and brilliance approaching to genius, he can’t get anyone to notice. He is like a great painter or musician who is ahead of his time, and who unveils one masterpiece after another to a reception that, when not bored, is hostile.”
Ok where is Kirk just what are the rules to get someone committed to ELGIN MENTAL HEALTH CENTER? Just what are the Demographics of his readers Monkeys in lab experiments flinging poo into their eyes te stop the stupid from burning?
How many readers does this nut have?
McCain seems to be a non-stop gaffe machine. My guess is he’ll make a couple so egregious that even his BBQ buddies in the media will have to notice. I can hardly wait.
Does McCain not understand that the stated policy of the U.S. government since April 7, 1980 has been to NOT TALK TO THE IRANIANS. And that we have not negotiated with Iran over their nuclear weapons program.
McCain is only a Senator you can’t expect them to pay attention to the laws that they vote on after all Darth and his company Haliburtron had some dealing with Iran too but I’m sure Darth forgot the law.
By Lisa Myers & the NBC investigative unit
updated 9:24 p.m. PT, Mon., March. 7, 2005
It’s just another Halliburton oil and gas operation. The company name is emblazoned everywhere: On trucks, equipment, large storage silos and workers’ uniforms.
But this isn’t Texas. It’s Iran. U.S. companies aren’t supposed to do business here.
Yet, in January, Halliburton won a contract to drill at a huge Iranian gas field called Pars, which an Iranian government spokesman said “served the interests” of Iran.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7119752/
Whatever happened to the investigation Hal has been doing business there for ten years I believe Darth was in charge back then.
True but I love watching Bobo destroy his reputation trying to excuse them, and then attack the Democrats because when a Dem does it its different somehow.
McClellan’s book is going to make him some money I think he should donate all the profits to help the troops after all Scott did help lie the press and through them America into a war on false pretenses.
A Son of Sam Law is a law designed to keep criminals from profiting from their crimes, often by selling their stories to publishers. Such laws often authorize the state to seize money earned from such a deal and use it to compensate the criminal’s victims.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Son_of_Sam_law
I think all books by current and former loyal Bushies qualify any lawyers out there want to chime in?
Attaturk -
After close to two hours cruisin’ some of the other lefty blogs, it’s been *interesting* (to say the least) to find out what they say about the thug reaction to Obama’s misspeak. Deeeeeeeeeranged these wingers are. :-(
Disclaimer: I generally stay well away from direct knowledge of winger comments (other than Washington Journo)……might be catchin’, don’cha know.
OOOOOhhhh….McCellean (sp?) on Washington Journo Friday @ 7:30. Any bets on who’s gonna moderate that day? The crazies will be out in force.
Maybe we could all push for McClellan and all Bushies to donate their profits to help the vets.
Not that I expect this Supreme Court to back such a ruling cause it would hurt their future book deals and we know the Supremes never remove themselves from a case for conflict of interests reasons when their money, friends or politics are involved.
But the embarrassment of the GOP having to defend themselves from charges that they don’t care about the troops right after McCain ducked voting for Webb’s G.I bill will hurt.
I think McClellan is a patsy he is getting status for what he says about Bush, well maybe not from us but the MSM media and I expect Rove to pull the rug out from under him and try and use him to discredit us.
Rove never says anything by accident so that comment he said about McClellan acting like a left wing blogger I think is foreshadowing. I smell set up!
Many believe all we need to do to end the nuclear programs of hostile governments is have our president talk with leaders in Pyongyang and Tehran, as if we haven’t tried talking to these governments repeatedly over the past two decades.
Even under the Nuclear nonproliferation treaty nations can develop nuclear power. Also given how Bush likes his Wars of Aggression not developing Nuclear weapons is well like asking Bush to invade you if you disagree with him and or have oil.
As McClellan points out our reasons for war were false which makes Bush guilty.
“A war of aggression is a military conflict waged for the clear purposes of territorial aggrandizement and conquest. Waging such a war of aggression is a crime under the customary international law. It is generally agreed by scholars in international law that the military actions of the Nazi regime in World War II in its search for so-called “Lebensraum” are characteristic of a war of aggression.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression
The Right-Wing Chorus, always focused on the “BIG” things literally, burned up the internet over Obama mixing up Auschwitz and Buchenwald concentration camps.
Anger junkies in need of a fix? Perhaps because if the rage ever stopped being directed outward they would have to look inward? How do we get them to look inward before the election then? Only complete failure like in the financial world, their personal life, or something huge could cause them to look inward.
I think McCain losing in November could do it but that doesn’t help us win unless his people become convinced that McCain has no chance of wining before the election.
Just how low would McCain have to get before the MSM calls the election before the election?
For reason’s I cannot explain the right wing have all become right-wing Zionists. And they believe that any lack of precision in the history of the Jewish people is, now, unforgiveable. Who’d a thunk it?
But simply listen to Hillary and/or McCain, and you’ll hear that faithfully repeat the Lobby’s line. Obama ain’t so faithful. They fear that he’s a Saturday-only Zionist. Hence the relative Israel-Factor ratngs at Haaretz for last month:
– McCain 7.12
– Clinton 7.62
– Obama 5, which is the lowest except for Chuck Hagle, Tom Vilsack, and John Kerry.
Given what’s been said about McC by both the admin mouthpieces & MSM in the last 24, I’d say the rug’s long gone, darlin’. There’s been a lotta sh!t to the effect of, “Scotty, we hardly knew ye.” So yeah, count on the crazies claiming the book was written by DFHs who stuck poor deluded scotty’s name on it.
It’s a given the admin are gonna castrate him but all the MSM disclaimers, “Why yes, we asked so many hard questions” is what’s really gettin’ my goat. Hard to know which ones to throw the most rotten veggies at but john roberts is high on the list…..every single time I watched him during the pressers when he *did* ask some half-way decent questions, they NEVER showed up during an actual newscast. Wankers, the entire lot of ‘em and a pox on their houses!
you two havin a nice little chat here?
Dood!
I’m not a lawyer, but I kinda think we need a conviction for that law to apply…
Stop confusing things with facts!
That (among other things) always gets me into trouble…
Doodette……..least, last time I checked. *g*
Facts,facts…since when did facts prove anythin’??!!
Agreed. And, all of which indicates we need a conviction.
Feelin’ left out this morning, are you? *smooches* & *hugs* heading down the toobz toward GA….speaking of which, what’s your weather like today? Bit of rain here last night and still overcast so who knows what the day will bring.
I wanna get a few of the FDLers tagether and propose a front page post on the politics of returnin’ veterans and the aftermath of war…use ‘Nam and the alianation, and deliberate marginalizing of veterans from all mainstream political and social insitutions and by the political elites of BOTH parties. Tuesday’s bullshit fropm SanderO opened a BIG wound and exposed the problem that we’re gunna face in spadz in a the next few years. FDLers need some edjucation.
Are you in?
Sure
You know we have a pretty big split here on the lake. Whoever this “Guerrila Guides” dude is comes on here and everyone falls out because he (or she) has been appointed the expert on Irak. I didn’t know who he was and I got bitch slapped for taking offense to his, “your barbarian Army”.
I’m at work…I’ll logon when I get home (I don’t work tanight) and I’ll try and get to ya after 0800 …need ta get the logistics worked out and give Hardin Smith and Hamsher a heads up
Given what’s been said about McC by both the admin mouthpieces & MSM in the last 24, I’d say the rug’s long gone, darlin
Sorry late on the MSM news I stopped my cable at least for the summer there was nothing on I’ll bring it back in the fall to get election news.
markann at hotmail dot com
MarkFromIreland I’m pretty sure is Siun’s dad Dulhaltech is her brother I’ve argued with both I like them accept they want to hold the average solder responsible for war crimes.
I disagree but aside from that they are a good news source.
Oh Mark is an army Lawyer what Army I’m not sure?
Sorry late on the MSM news I stopped my cable at least for the summer there was nothing on I’ll bring it back in the fall to get election news.
Smart move; hot air (and not referring to summer) gets expensive. *g*
I’m not sure either, he has said he is a soldier and maybe he is. I didn’t have any idea that someone with “markfromireland” was from Irak and I challenged what he said.
Exactly…I’m seein an opportunity to expose some of the intellectual faggot hasseling from a point of view everyone can relate to but have been encourgaed to ignor becuase it calls a lotta bullshit assumptions into play. Jesus H. keeeRIST I’m tired of fern bar liberals…a bunch of disappointment lately with some a myFDL brothers and sisters. A lotta condescendin’ holier than thou shit goin’ on out of pure ignorance (and fear).
Stop confusing things with facts!
Things is confused when facts and Bush reality diverge:)
United Nations Command…retired I think
Let it go…we’ll take the fight to our own ground…people gotta get outta their heads and start smellin’ the coffee.
Good morning, pups. It’s Collins, Cohen and Kristof today. La Collins writes about “A Good Day in the Badlands,” and asks what better way for Hillary Clinton to start her day than with a trip to a monument that reminds us how democracy can, at times, produce extraordinary results? Mr. Cohen writes about “The Year That Changed the World,” and says as the French rose against European bourgeois culture, the Czechs ached for its return and rose to claim it back. Mr. Kristof’s topic is “Terrorism and the Olympics.” He says we should encourage China to tolerate peaceful protesters even as it prosecutes terrorists. But instead of clarifying that distinction, we have helped China blur it.
http://mgpaquin.wordpress.com/
The coffee, tea and hot chocolate are ready, and I’ve got banana pancakes this morning. I’m hoping for some rain later today. It looked promising yesterday afternoon, but nada. Have a grand day.
Siun’s his daughter is Chicago Irish right so Irish, English, American Army?
You may find it somewhat difficult to rally folks to your cause with turns of language like that. I agree with what you’re trying to do, but that’s not helpful.
We either support the troops or we don’t. Criminal behavior should not be tolerated but goddamn it, if you pay one motherfucking penny of taxes you are as complicit as any dog face or jar head up to their ass in shit.
No, Irish in UN command by way of the Brits ,I think.
A-men brother I’min the choir here…we gotta find a way ta get these people ta realize that they are as culpable as any grunt at Mai Li.
Morning everyone,
I was frightfully awakened by a present this morning from kitteh b, a cute-as can-be little mouse. Now if the cat would just bother to catch the little thing, I’d really appreciate it.
*sigh*
So this cat is in the British Army and lives in Irak?
Lil Bit and Bodhi say “cut the shit, we need a walk”!
thats’exactly the kind of ingnorance masquaradin’ as “progressive” politics…faggot hassle is a term invented by Al Ginsberg and it’s a beautiful term for jest this kind of intellectual masterbation.
Give on to Ceasre what is Ceasre’s
Thats is weird interesting but weird?
I prefer to focus on the leaders who give the orders first blaming the troops for following orders well that is what they were trained to do. Also isn’t disobeying an order in war time asking to get shot?
the response proving the point.
Try and give us some advanced word when your post gets up.
I don’t give a crap who invented the term. It’s not helpful in trying to advance what you’re proposing.
And what exactly should a soldier do when ordered to commit war crimes? Certainly soldiers must follow any lawful order… …when can/should/does a soldier decide an order is not lawful, what recourse do they have?
Pat Tillman learned what happened to those who speak out…
Oh my…instead of overreacting to a term that is NOT a personal insult but rather describes a condition of intellectual activity and communicatio that has no resolution and only one voice, you would be better served to ask what it means. That is exactly what Raven and a lot of others of us experience here lately…alotta condescendin’ moral judgements of others experience from a perch on the tree of ignorance and in full throated song of moral superiority.
T. Boone Pickens, the octogenarian Texas oil legend, has emerged with a prediction that the price of oil could reach $150 a barrel by the end of the year. He points out that the world oil supply is currently at a maximum of 85 million barrels per day, while demand is 87 million.
There’s just one problem. There’s no way this supply shortfall of just 2 million barrels per day, or 2.3%, should cause oil prices to soar 60% in eight months - let alone another 15% before year-end as Pickens predicts. Rising prices should reduce demand and (to a lesser extent) increase supply. Economists differ by how much, but no economist I know of thinks the price elasticity of oil is below 10%: And at 10% elasticity, a 2.4% supply shortfall should push the price up 24%, not 60%.
So where does the other 36% come from - not to mention the additional price increases that Pickens is predicting?
It must be “artificial” - that is, created by speculators.
With U.S. interest rates below the inflation rate, betting that oil prices will go up is like shooting fish in a barrel - you can’t miss, provided only that you and your friends are together rich enough to control the market. And with all the extra money that the Fed has created just sloshing around, speculators are nothing, if not rich.
How do you stop speculators? You whack them with a two-by-four, that’s how. You get their attention with a shock move. You bring them pain by increasing their financing cost, you insert in their mind the idea that you might really mean it, and underscore that you might go on attacking them until their speculative run-up in oil prices is ended.
http://seekingalpha.com/articl.....-whack-oil
My Bold
In order to control speculation from driving up inflation higher the Fed will have to raise rates but when it does the oil bubble will tank as speculators who bought on margin are forced to sell and they could take out the market with it.
But is this going to happen before the election which would help us or after the election which will hurt us?
Oops! Yours was not the comment I intended to reply to. That said, I like your comment very much. Much appreciated, Doodette!!
Good question I defer to the vets on that one. But on political matters like Presidents who order others to commit war crimes I say they should be men and accept what they did.
Yeah I know fat chance of a Bushie accepting responsibility for anything.
Certainly for other countries armies, “Just following orders” is not an acceptable defense, if history is to be the guide. At the same time, I don’t want a bunch of our kids stuck in a bad situation to take the fall…
If only we had some idiot preznit and a cadre of willing accomplises to stand trial instead…
George, we now know, is disgruntled
about his experience in the White House.
We are puzzled. It is sad.
This is not the George Bush we knew.
I’d appreciate some clarification on your statement. This is what Google has to say about Ginsberg and “intellectual faggot.” Do you have anything further?
Scotty’s on the Today show - NOW!
We all agree, I think, that a defense attorney can say whatever the hell he/she pleases and it isn’t unethical, because the accused deserves the best defense he can get and the jury is instructed that whatever the attorney says is not evidence. So, why doesn’t that same principle apply to press dweebs like Scotty McClellan? Does any rational person believe the ads they see on TV? Should anyone think that a PR vlak is any more honest than a defense attorney.
I have many friends from the former Soviet Union. They are astounded by the naivete of U.S. citizens. These are very intellectually sophisticated people, and they are all convinced that the US press is every bit as compliant as Pravda and Tass, and far more dangerous, because Soviet citizens all knew that Pravda and Tass were compliant, but U.S. citizens seem to be oblivious to the compliance of the U.S. MSM.
Odd thing about the mixup with the concentration camps is that no one but Jake Tapper caught the real nugget in the story via Americablog:
my bold.
Good morning everyone.
thanks for heads up
the term is “faggot hassle”
Bush is all kinds of anti market regulation but now his base the Economic Elites are screwing him they bought subprime loans from the banks with money the banks lent them but the market is crap the banks won’t even accept their own paper and oil price speculation is the only big price bubble in town.
If Bush and the Fed raises interest rates the Speculation ends but Bush’s base gets hurt. The longer Bush does nothing which is his preferred course of action the higher oil prices will get. Americans angry at high gas prices will drop his poll numbers even more America cannot take a whole summer of rising gas prices.
Also the longer Bush waits before rising interest rates the more his oil speculator base will get hurt when the price drops.
A weak man who cannot decide between hard choices often ends up hurting everyone worse than if he just hurt one person quick.
Doing nothing is not an option waiting for someone else to make a decision is not an option. Hoping the problem will just go away is not an option.
Sometimes you have to put the welfare of others above yourself and your friends sometimes a real friend has to say no.
Which, according to Google, seems to be in a Timothy Leary collection…
The Greatest Trick the Devil ever pulled was to convince the world that he doesn’t exists ” The Usual Suspects”
But at least Bush will have made a lasting contribution to space exploration.
PRICELESS!
rofl!
That really sums up Bush’s administration.
Can it truly be that somehow mistaking Buchenwald for Auschwitz has become an MSM issue in this campaign? Unbefuckinglieveable!
Here too…
Speaking of nuggets (of the giant economy variety):
Interesting how the talking mouthpieces (guess that’s a redundancy) have jumped on the “Who’s the book gonna benefit……dims or thugs?” vs. “This books talks about how bush and his cronies lied us into war.”
Why am I not surprised? :-(
Good point he wasn’t trying to sell himself with that point otherwise he would have a whole speech ready. Obama was caught off guard and hazy on the details because he wasn’t prepared to sell that story.
Which makes you wonder about McCain’s mistakes in his own speeches although to be fair this clears McCain on any off the cuff remarks he makes this whole election.
and I will speak of nuggets as well
this is nancy pelosi, sometimes I love her, I wish she would set that table, anyway get this from the sf chronical;
They were all atwitter about it. But look closely at what Tapper said and they all totally missed.
Obama’s great uncle helped liberate a concentration camp. He never talked about it in front of Jewish audiences—he didn’t try to trade on that rather heroic connection. Instead he told about it as a family example of PTSD.
Other campaigns might well have flaunted the connection in order to try to woo Jewish votes.
Talk about an obtuse press.
Kids are now going to say lets do some drugs until we are Bushed! and can’t even remember doing drugs!
Just how much is to much? Nothing is to much if you can’t remember doing it Get Bushed or Get Over Dosed!
McClellan describes Bush as able to convince himself of his own spin…/i>
I was married to a person who could do that. All she had to do was tell herself something a time or two, and after that, she believed it absolutely and forever. It’s a frightening trait actually.
With such a person, you can never win an argument, because that person becomes utterly incapable of believing that he/she is ever wrong. For all practical purposes, I was married to George W. Bush.
What are all those PTSD symptoms again?
my point is she finally called the president a liar and she didn’t beat around the bush, she didn’t use fancy words, she simply said he lied to us so he could have war
that’s mighty powerful stuff to say and still not want to impeach
I see a h
Oh, and the stoopid press was probably really proud of themselves and their “fact checking” of Obama’s “lie.”
They wouldn’t know how to fact check if we sat them down and gave them personal tutorials on how to use google.
Son of Sam Laws for Wars of Aggression!
So she publically acknowledges that over 4000 troops have died for a lie…
…and impeachment remains off the table.
Just when I think Nancy can’t get any more disappointing…
Jus Cogens!
as far as cocain, I think anything is too much, it’s too addicting but the fact that he actually tried to say “I don’t remember” is such a stupid thing to say
who’da thought, the president is stupid…this might be another epiphane
agreed
I respectfully disagree. For a U.S. presidential candidate in this day and age, calling Buchenwald “Auschwitz” is a much lesser gaffe that calling Shiites “Sunnis”. A candidate who is not up on the subject at hand is not a worthy candidate.
I think his last remark was snark.
federalize their assets and hold them to account, using their assets for reperations
they have squandered the treasure of our country and the bank accounts of our kids, they have stolen the treasure of the middle east
war profiteers, sociopaths, treasonous despots…the list is too long
Yeah especially when the other side can’t tell Shia from Sunni in this war we are fighting right now! Or Iran from Al Quieda for that matter.
Today show takes a break from the Scotty interview to give Dan Bartlett a chance to stop by and shit-bomb him.
Then they’re gonna continue the Scotty interview. wtf?
Your point is well taken, especially in this bizarre campaign where two out of three candidates are pandering to right-wing Zionist interests. something is truly crazy here.
That gives Scotty a chance to refute Bartlett, works for me!
Agree but other off the cuff remarks will whether we like it or not be held to a lesser standard. Assuming the MSM ever holds McCain to any standards that is.
How many wrongdoers can the House impeach between now and the end of the 110th Congress in December?
Good morning.
Must see TV. Scott McClelland will be on Washington Journal tomorrow morning.
A candidate who is not up on the subject at hand is not a worthy candidate.
All of the “subjects at hand” cut harshly against the 28%’ers. Thus, the preferred subject becomes arguing about the past.
Flyin’….
Jim Webb up now on Imus show, livestream here.
Kerry up in next half-hour.
And worth checking their interviews for yesterday’s talk with Debra Dickerson.
Let me rephrase that:
How many wrongdoers would the House be able to impeach between now and the end of the 110th Congress in December?
Ewww, Imus, he’s bad, WE don’t like him here :)
But nobody is talking about Bush giving the Saudis nuclear power which I would think all sane people would agree is a bad idea Ossama still has a lot of support there.
http://afp.google.com/article/.....3RNj5fU34A
Scotty acquitting himself quite nicely, imo.
Sun’s up. We made it through another day.
I was more concerned with the example Bush’s lame excuses will set for druggies looking to push the limit like a President.
you read the flamethrower # 22?
and a quick switch to MSNBC finds, surprise!, Dan Bartlett dropping some more shit-bombs.
Bartlett seems to be the designated hitter on the Scotty Affair.
I heard it, sittin’ on the floor in front of Ginsberg in the Student Union of a State College (now State University)in Southerrn Minnesota in the Spring of 1970. Since the vocabulary of youth and resistence was cross-pollinating pretty fast and those heavy hitters lounged around a lot, it could a been Leary that coined the phrase but Ginsberg used it with relish and frequency because it described a lot of what passed for intellectual discourse which were jest moral judgements of others experience from a point of view completely isolated from the topic.