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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466316</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;what wedge issue chutzpah, trying to isolate the War Party exclusively into the (R) camp.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;They are &lt;em&gt;both&lt;/em&gt; war parties, or they are two wings of the same war party.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As Seymour Hersh says:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When I asked Hersh who wants to bomb Iran, he said, &lt;strong&gt;“Ironically there is a lot of pressure coming from Democrats. Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Edwards have all said we cannot have a nuclear-armed Iran.&lt;/strong&gt; Clearly the pressure from Democrats is a reflection of - we might as well say it - Israeli and Jewish input.” He added the obvious: “a lot of money comes to the Democratic campaigns” from Jewish contributors.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt; &lt;strong&gt;“But there is no pressure whatsoever” coming from the leading Democratic presidential candidates demanding that Bush negotiate with the Iranians rather than bombing them.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-wiener/who-wants-to-bomb-iran-_b_67229.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....67229.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Does a word like “obliterate” spring to mind as coming from a candidate of a Peace Party? ffs.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;for a vast infinity of further documentation, follow some links like:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/08/blinded-by-story-liberals-and.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://powerofnarrative.blogsp.....s-and.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what wedge issue chutzpah, trying to isolate the War Party exclusively into the (R) camp.</p>
<p>They are <em>both</em> war parties, or they are two wings of the same war party.</p>
<p>As Seymour Hersh says:</p>
<blockquote><p>When I asked Hersh who wants to bomb Iran, he said, <strong>“Ironically there is a lot of pressure coming from Democrats. Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Edwards have all said we cannot have a nuclear-armed Iran.</strong> Clearly the pressure from Democrats is a reflection of &#8211; we might as well say it &#8211; Israeli and Jewish input.” He added the obvious: “a lot of money comes to the Democratic campaigns” from Jewish contributors.</p>
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<p>and</p>
<blockquote><p> <strong>“But there is no pressure whatsoever” coming from the leading Democratic presidential candidates demanding that Bush negotiate with the Iranians rather than bombing them.</strong></p>
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<p>from <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jon-wiener/who-wants-to-bomb-iran-_b_67229.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/&#8230;..67229.html</a></p>
<p>Does a word like “obliterate” spring to mind as coming from a candidate of a Peace Party? ffs.</p>
<p>for a vast infinity of further documentation, follow some links like:</p>
<p><a href="http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2007/08/blinded-by-story-liberals-and.html" rel="nofollow">http://powerofnarrative.blogsp&#8230;..s-and.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: alank</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466141</link>
		<dc:creator>alank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:49:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;A Brief History of the Defence of Western Civilization in Vietnam&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “I didn’t come back to Indochina to give Indochina back to the Indochinese.” [French General Jean Leclerc, September 1945]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “There is no question that the Communist menace in French Indochina has been stopped.” [American General J. Lawton Collins, Army Chief of Staff, 1951]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “I am also impressed by the French military plans, by the apparent Vietnamese determination to fight. I could not make any better plans than those already in existence.” [American General Mark Clark, February 1953]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “I’m going to kick General Giap’s teeth in, one by one!” [French Brigadier General Christian de Castries, April 1954]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “The French are going to win. It is a fight that is going to be finished with our help.” [American Admiral Arthur Radford, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, 1954]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “It is fashionable in some quarters to say that the problems in Southeast Asia are primarily political and economic. I do not agree. The essence of the problem in Vietnam is military.” [American General Earle K. Wheeler, November 1962]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “Every quantitative measure we have shows we’re winning the war.” [Robert McNamara, American Secretary of Defence, 1962]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “It’s the inherent right of the government to lie to save itself.” [Arthur D. Sylvester, American Assistant Secretary of Defense, 1962]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;    * “The corner definitely has been turned towards victory in Vietnam.” [Arthur D. Sylvester, 1963]&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;[Mod Note; Edited by Mod for length. To help keep the FDL servers running smoothly and to avoid any copyright issues, please do not post entire articles — include a link instead. Thank you. ]&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>A Brief History of the Defence of Western Civilization in Vietnam</strong></p>
<p>    * “I didn’t come back to Indochina to give Indochina back to the Indochinese.” [French General Jean Leclerc, September 1945]</p>
<p>    * “There is no question that the Communist menace in French Indochina has been stopped.” [American General J. Lawton Collins, Army Chief of Staff, 1951]</p>
<p>    * “I am also impressed by the French military plans, by the apparent Vietnamese determination to fight. I could not make any better plans than those already in existence.” [American General Mark Clark, February 1953]</p>
<p>    * “I’m going to kick General Giap’s teeth in, one by one!” [French Brigadier General Christian de Castries, April 1954]</p>
<p>    * “The French are going to win. It is a fight that is going to be finished with our help.” [American Admiral Arthur Radford, Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff, 1954]</p>
<p>    * “It is fashionable in some quarters to say that the problems in Southeast Asia are primarily political and economic. I do not agree. The essence of the problem in Vietnam is military.” [American General Earle K. Wheeler, November 1962]</p>
<p>    * “Every quantitative measure we have shows we’re winning the war.” [Robert McNamara, American Secretary of Defence, 1962]</p>
<p>    * “It’s the inherent right of the government to lie to save itself.” [Arthur D. Sylvester, American Assistant Secretary of Defense, 1962]</p>
<p>    * “The corner definitely has been turned towards victory in Vietnam.” [Arthur D. Sylvester, 1963]</p>
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		<title>By: KayInMaine</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466097</link>
		<dc:creator>KayInMaine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sorry…was in the shower.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Did someone mention hot dogs? We’ve got mighty fine tasting ones up here in Maine! My mother tells me when she and my father are in Florida all winter long, they yearn for these…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.exiles.com/images/redhotdogs180180.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.exiles.com/images/redhotdogs180180.jpg&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mmmmmm, mmmmmm. I doubt John McCrazy would eat a hot dog, because he’s got plenty of lobbyists keeping him well fed at the moment!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry…was in the shower.</p>
<p>Did someone mention hot dogs? We’ve got mighty fine tasting ones up here in Maine! My mother tells me when she and my father are in Florida all winter long, they yearn for these…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.exiles.com/images/redhotdogs180180.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.exiles.com/images/redhotdogs180180.jpg</a></p>
<p>Mmmmmm, mmmmmm. I doubt John McCrazy would eat a hot dog, because he’s got plenty of lobbyists keeping him well fed at the moment!</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466091</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;This post should be all the advertising needed to defeat this whack job in November.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just run all those comments in a 60 second loop (hopefully, actual footage of him saying these things) and the job is done.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amen!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>This post should be all the advertising needed to defeat this whack job in November.</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
<p>Just run all those comments in a 60 second loop (hopefully, actual footage of him saying these things) and the job is done.</p>
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<p>Amen!</p>
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		<title>By: STTPinOhio</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466081</link>
		<dc:creator>STTPinOhio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;This post should be all the advertising needed to defeat this whack job in November.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Seriously.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just run all those comments in a 60 second loop (hopefully, actual footage of him saying these things) and the job is done.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If Sen. Obama doesn’t beat this kook by 5-8 points it will be a sad commentary on us as a nation.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post should be all the advertising needed to defeat this whack job in November.</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
<p>Just run all those comments in a 60 second loop (hopefully, actual footage of him saying these things) and the job is done.</p>
<p>If Sen. Obama doesn’t beat this kook by 5-8 points it will be a sad commentary on us as a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466075</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;it&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466074</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:12:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well, my responses were all deleted but hey, later he said he didn’t really mean in.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my responses were all deleted but hey, later he said he didn’t really mean in.</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466071</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;well, I knew you’d like it, ’cause I enjoy the ones you bring in &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and &lt;a href=&quot;http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/24783/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Scarecrow’s upstairs&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I knew you’d like it, ’cause I enjoy the ones you bring in </p>
<p>and <a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/24783/" rel="nofollow">Scarecrow’s upstairs</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466070</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;this from rove was actually interesting, I believe rove might be the only neo con who is reading “lefty blogs”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I hope he is -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;emptywheel yesterday -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;“One more detail: either Rezko or Kjellander are candidates to flip–Kjellander is probably the one with the better testimony against our little Turdblossom.”&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what’s that Karl ?  a faint rustling in the brush is all, pay no attention&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>this from rove was actually interesting, I believe rove might be the only neo con who is reading “lefty blogs”</p>
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<p>I hope he is -</p>
<p>emptywheel yesterday -</p>
<blockquote><p>“One more detail: either Rezko or Kjellander are candidates to flip–Kjellander is probably the one with the better testimony against our little Turdblossom.”</p>
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<p>what’s that Karl ?  a faint rustling in the brush is all, pay no attention</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/28/voices-from-the-past/#comment-1466068</link>
		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 12:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;morning perris!&lt;br /&gt;
I’m having a hard time catching up but&lt;br /&gt;
you’re my caffeine charge this morning ;)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>morning perris!<br />
I’m having a hard time catching up but<br />
you’re my caffeine charge this morning ;)</p>
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