Sam Stein at HuffPo picked up on an interesting passage in David Sirota’s superb new book, The Uprising: An Unauthorized Tour of the Populist Revolt Scaring Wall Street and Washington, in which Sirota discusses Lou Dobbs:
"If we are to have a national debate and a national dialogue and a decision about national policy and we make a judgment that we are going to raise immigration levels – let’s say that we double them, lets say that we triple them – sign me up," Dobbs is reported as saying in February 2007. "There is nothing in me that is a restrictionist whatsoever, and I realize that separates me from others who are against illegal immigration on the basis that there is too much immigration. I don’t believe that. I do believe that we are not in control of our immigration policies or what is happening in this country. And that leaves me in despair."
Well, as Stein notes, Dobbs "has rarely, if ever, expressed such a viewpoint on his show." Recently, he tried a similar angle in his teeth-baring encounter with Paul Waldman, arguing that "I am also for raising legal immigration." He did it before in an interview with Janet Murguia, in the video above.
However, none of this explains why Dobbs:
- Makes up phony statistics connecting immigration generically with a supposed increase in diseases like leprosy.
- Why he broadcasts white-supremacist mythology about a Hispanic “Aztlan” conspiracy to return the Southwest to Mexico.
- Why he continually claims that Latino immigration is responsible for an increase in crime.
- Why he once said that this wave of immigration is turning America into “a third world cesspool” (a remark that has since been removed from the CNN website).
- Why he constantly promotes the notion of making English the official U.S. language.
- Why he regularly refers to this wave of immigration as an “invasion.”
- Why he regularly hosts anti-immigrant voices from white-supremacist groups and vigilante scam artists like the Minutemen and yet neglects to explain his guests’ troubling backgrounds.
I could go on all day, but you get the point: None of this has anything to do with the legality, or lack thereof, of these immigrants. Dobbs regularly bashes and demonizes Latino immigrants generically, irrespective of whether they are legal or not.
Dobbs regularly whines, as he does in Sirota’s book, that "there’s never been an issue of race introduced into this discussion by me" — which is true enough insofar as his making explicit references to race.
But the reference is implicit anytime you begin picking up and broadcasting appeals, ideas, and phony "facts" that originate with white supremacists, and when you have them on your show to spout their bile without explaining their background to your audience.
What Dobbs is doing, in fact, is what right-wing pundits of various stripes have been doing for the past decade and more: repackaging the ideas and talking points of far-right hate groups, stripping them of their more obviously racist and noxious language, and presenting them to the public as nominally "normal" ideas. The right has been doing this ever since Pat Buchanan recommended the strategy of "expropriating" David Duke’s racist appeals — on immigration, affirmative action, and on welfare particularly — back in 1989.
But it’s only a facade. And when you strip it away, people like Lou Dobbs stand revealed as the hatemongers they really are.
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Yep.
The Flemish block is gaining in the north…
His shows one at a time sound almost normal. It’s when you look at the cumulative effect that his hatred is evident. This is the kind of demagogery and scapegoating that can accelerate as the economy gets worse — look, those people are responsible, certainly not the government!
Hi David. awesome post.
I wonder if Latino immigrants will soon wear a yellow star. Dobbs is certainly giving us “permission” to despise and demonize them, providing us with an “other” to project our need for militarization within our own borders.
exactamente
Well, Dobbs loves to blame the gummint too. Because they’re being too soft on these guys. But the demonization of Latinos, especially related to crime and disease and potentially terrorism — all of which are phony issues — is an essential component of the schtick.
It’s not like good ol’ Lou is hurting form illegals taking his job either. How many millions do you think he has? He hosted Moneyline and writes a column in Money magazine.
He’s doing exactly what the Germans did…fanning flames and creating hatred directed at a certain group….extremely dangerous at this time in our history. Inciting possible hate crimes. He should be removed from the network.
A very old and tiresome schtick at that.
I like to see this country go a day without immigrant labor.
“The idea that the pope would come here and criticize the United States this way, I think is, first of all, bad manners. And I don’t care in you’re infallible or not. So that’s bad manners… So, we should have made it a one-day visit.”
Lou Dobbs on Pope Benedict. Good way to alienate, oh, a sixth of humanity.
It used to be a source of pride to be an immigrant in this country. What happened?
((Quaker girl))
Totally OT, but John Bolton might not have a good trip when he goes to speak at the UK: He faces a citizen’s arrest when he addresses an audience at the Hay Festival in Wales this evening. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new…..tival.html
it would be an interesting experiment …
OT-A little good news on the voter suppression front! Texas AG Abbott Settles Vote Suppression Case! Events unfolded in dramatic fashion today in Marshall, TX. As the case was set to go to trial, the Plaintiffs, including the Texas Democratic Party and Democratic activists, were approached by lawyers for the State of Texas offering a settlement agreement.
And more totally OT, but I sure loved this quote from the wapo story about scottie’s kiss&tell
bush really is as crazy as he seems …
1948, Woody Guthrie
i wonder how many undocumented workers Dobbs relies on either directly or indirectly every day — one hop away at most. So, restaurant workers count, farm workers if he buys direct from a farmers market or farm stand, and of course support people at his house.
not just hispanics but the very history of this country is that of immigrants. Sad really.
Or, if you prefer Joanie and Bob sing it
Ever stay at a hotel? The hospitality industry spuld crumble.
Men like Dobbs are all about crusades and wars. The War on Illegal Immigrants has turned entire neighborhoods into police states and erected a wall in my city to rival the one that once stood in Berlin. The War on Drugs has effectively destabilized Mexico and caused literally thousands of deaths. The War on Terror has set the world on fire. Let’s declare a war on hatemongers and populists.
I don’t have a link but I think it was the NY Times in the last few days or weeks that did a story on the “Assimilation Index.”
If I remember and understood correctly the major points were that:
1) There are more immigrants
2) Less educated and less likely to speak any of the language
3) Yet are far faster at learning the language and becoming immersed in the economy and life in the US.
4) Leading to the Assimilation Index to remain at a steady rate rather than to be affected by point #3 as the wing-nutz/racist would claim.
It used to be a source of pride to be an immigrant in this country. What happened?
I hate to be argumentative on this but it’s been a source of pride only when it suits us.
didn’t Obermann try to argue that Dobbs’ daughter’s stableboys and grooms are probably illegal immigrants?
And the dropout rate of Hispanics in Texas is astronomical.
KO, TRY to argue. . .ha!
Legal immigration is extremely chancy. Unless you’re well-educated and/or wealthy, the US isn’t interested in having you enter. The idea that we should only have legal immigrants is absurd – you want Mexican PhD’s picking lettuce? You think they’ll do that for $5/hr? So this so-called tolerance for “legal” immigrants is merely an excuse on the order of “some of my best friends are .”
sure — hotels are another good example.
I’m also interested if dobb’s gardners have all their papers in order. Has he done any home improvement / remodeling projects? How about cleaning? He may be smart enough to be real careful about all the folks he directly employs. But, he may well not be also …
As in “No Irish or Blacks need apply”
Or “No Italians or Irish”
Or all the other variants
Oops and in my comment @ #24 – that should be points 1 & 2 offset by #3.
Unfortunately, I have no hope that Americans will see through Dobbs’ bs when this type of thing happens:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24860437/
“Dunkin’ Donuts pulled a television spot featuring talk show host and Food Network personality Rachael Ray this weekend after a Fox news commentator associated it with terrorists.
In the ad, Ray is wearing a scarf that Michelle Malkin said in her nationally syndicated column resembled a kiffiyeh, Middle Eastern garb”
The xenophobia implied by this manufactured controversy and the appeasement (ha!) of the xenophobes by a major US multi-national leaves me in despair.
Here’s the Washington Post on the Assimilation Index Study.
shorter Dobbs: “immigrant bashing has been berry berry good to me.”
Cool. I am probably going to a David Sirota reading tonight. He also apparently talks about the Lamont campaign.
Froomkin is on with Shuster on MSNBC right now.
The Immigration Act of 1924 happened, to be precise. And we have been living with that legacy ever since.
Recall that before this law was enacted, the U.S. had what Dobbs calls “open borders” — essentially anyone could emigrate here if they wanted, except for the Chinese (already barred by the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1881). All they needed was a “sponsor” and they were in.
But in 1924, everyone was excited by Madison Grant’s The Passing of the Great Race and various eugenics theories about how America was going to be swamped by a “brown tide” (sound familiar?). So they passed the Immigration Act (also known as the Asian Exclusion Act), which barred emigration from any Asian country, and set quotas on immigration from various countries and regions. The more “brown” (and therefore “undesirable”) those nations were, the lower the quota.
The racial quotas ended in 1952, but were replaced by other quotas using ostensibly non-racist criteria.
But the underlying xenophobia — the impulse to keep out “unwanteds” — of the 1924 act remains the bedrock of our immigration law today.
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”
I wonder how many people are swallowing what Dobbs has to say. There is a credulous public out there. Anyone know his ratings?
Thank heavens that someone is finally on Dobbs’ case. He is AWFUL.
I have repeatedly written to CNN about this man. He ought to be off the air.
Keep writing about this hate monger in his “populist disguise.”
Just makes me smirk because the only true natives are the native americans. Everyone else is a x generation immigrant.
Per kos:
And furthermore…
I totally dislike how this jerk refuses to listen, interrupts and invalidates this woman every time she opens her mouth.
Lou Dobbs is a verrrrrrrry sorry excuse for a man and belongs in an era past.
k.. this might get me beat up here, but I still think there are gradations of evil, and Dobbs is in a lesser tier in the pantheon of the gods of hell compared with the Limbaughs and Billos of the world. If Billo is the prince of darkness, Dobbs barely rates as an orc.
I don’t know about his ratings, but he askes an online question every day and it seems to me that the number of folks who respond online to that climbs to around 4 to 5000, and that’s the highest numbers I’ve seen. Not the norm. That’s somewhere under 5000 people participate in that “poll” daily. That’s not as many as the show would lead one to believe regarding viewer counts.
Lou Dobbs’ motto: master of adhominem attacks and not the facts.
I have never watched Lou Dobbs.
Blub…
It is tempting for me to rate Lou’s particular version of evil higher if my last name once happened to be Garcia.
And it is fair to say that my view can depend on where I’m standing.
really screwed up how Dobbs brushes off the death threats the guest gets among other things. Infuriating clip really. Death threats and women are to my mind are much more serious than death threats and powerful white guy at the pulpit.
Lou Dobbs is hurting America.
I think he’s married to a hispanic woman. Interesting.
Lou gets paid for ratings, period. Stop thinking of him as anything but a talking head that has found a racist marketplace for his wares. He is getting big money from his backers of hate speech, CNN is getting ratings and idiots are advertising for other idiots on his show. He has found his niche.
it is television, it is entertainment. It may be perverse, rubber necking, wreckage looting, instant real time reality programming, but it is just TV, it is never live. It is all on tape. They make this shit up for you, the viewer. That is what “tv news” is. BS. crap. bunk. FICTION.
If you want the truth, read fiction.
Jane a couple of flights up on how you can get your very own personalized McCain yard banner.
So true that “my view depends on where I am standing”.
That’s true for Hispanics, and American citizens. In my own small county in NC, the impact of a very large influx of illegal immigrants from Mexico primarily, has had mixed results. Many support them, many do not and for legitimate reasons. Drugs! The rates of drug related crime is way up, and it is is mostly tied to illegal immigrants.
To make a long story short, it does depend on where you are standing. Each part of the country has different experiences.
I wish I had the answer to the very complicated question of illegal immigration. I don’t. Don’t have a clue.