As a female soldier or Marine, you prepare for service with a lot of training with your squad, a lot of extra time in the gym, a lot of mental and physical preparation. But nothing could prepare you for an assault ... a sexual assault ... from one of your fellow soldiers.
What do you do, as a female soldier, when the VA folks in charge of your treatment don't think you merit psych care in the wake of this trauma? Via AnchorageDailyNews:
I asked the briefer, a VA psychiatrist, whether the VA also considered Military Sexual Trauma an experience that can lead to PTSD. He replied "no."
I looked at the physician with amazement. Many peer-reviewed journal articles assert that Military Sexual Trauma, or MST, is especially associated with PTSD. That the Veterans Administration continues to disassociate MST with PTSD is remarkable.
But it may be understandable, considering the military is a culture that ostracizes and ridicules women who "rock the boat" by reporting incidents of sexual assault and violence.
This is not an isolated opinion, unfortunately. Sen. Patty Murray, who has personal experience working with Vietnam vets in the VA system and understands the long-term ramifications of not doing this work properly, has been trying to give this issue a much louder voice on the Hill. Kudos to her. But it's going to be a long road to change.
Women make up some 15 percent of the United States active duty forces, and 11 percent of the soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Nearly a third of female veterans say they were sexually assaulted or raped while in the military, and 71 percent to 90 percent say they were sexually harassed by the men with whom they served.
This sort of abuse drastically increases the risk and intensity of post-traumatic stress disorder. One study found that female soldiers who were sexually assaulted were nine times more likely to show symptoms of this disorder than those who weren’t. Sexual harassment by itself is so destructive, another study revealed, it causes the same rates of post-traumatic stress in women as combat does in men. And rape can lead to other medical crises, including diabetes, asthma, chronic pelvic pain, eating disorders, miscarriages and hypertension.
The threat of post-traumatic stress has risen in recent years as women’s roles in war have changed. More of them now come under fire, suffer battle wounds and kill the enemy, just as men do.
As women return for repeat tours, usually redeploying with their same units, many must go back to war with the same man (or men) who abused them. This leaves these women as threatened by their own comrades as by the war itself. Yet the combination of sexual assault and combat has barely been acknowledged or studied.
Last month, when the RAND Corporation released the biggest non-military survey of the mental health of troops since 2001, it unwittingly reflected this lack of research. The survey found that women suffer from higher rates of post-traumatic stress disorder and depression than men do, but it neglected to look into why this might be, and asked no questions about abuse from fellow soldiers. Terri Tanielian, the project’s co-editor, told me that RAND needs more money to explore these higher rates of trauma among women....
Walter Pincus reported yesterday -- relegated to his usual WaPo A15 page -- that there are substantial concerns about medical costs associated with military retirees and their families, and that cost-cutting in the medical care budget line is a priority for the DOD for their upcoming budget year.
Gates called the rising cost of health care "one area that not only concerns us but where we believe we have to get under control." He said the Defense Department's health-care costs went from $19.5 billion in 2001 to the projected $42.8 billion sought for next year. Within that figure, he said, are military retirees, who are eligible, along with family members, for Tricare medical and dental programs.
Call me crazy, but that should have been one of the concerns discussed long before we ever set foot in Iraq in a war of Bush's choice, shouldn't it? How many years, how many injuries and resources and lives shattered? And we are still tallying costs piecemeal, looking at the long-term consequences of our actions only as they rise up and smack us in the face. At some point, shouldn't long-term, big picture planning occur? Asking all of those "if/then" questions that we keep kicking down the road for the next administration -- the longer we put them off, the worse things seem to get.
It's too late to not go into Iraq in the first place -- that fleet of ships sailed long ago. But it isn't too late to stop treating our nation's military and all the human beings serving in it as though their needs and concerns are less important than saving face for Commander Guy. And when that big picture discussion finally occurs, will the needs of female soldiers be shoved to the side and ignored -- yet again?
(YouTube of NBC Nightly News report on PTSD and sexual trauma for women in the military and a VA treatment center for this issue.)
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So, Christy!
Sen. Murray has been great on VA oversight for years. It’s nice to be able to spotlight someone who is doing their job with a commitment to serving constituent needs as well as they can every once in a while.
This is terrible. Terrible that it is policy, and terrible that individual clinicians would forsake their training and ethical duty to participate in a sham. Shame on them. Individual state licensing boards should be involved in this as well.
Christy - I love doing spotlights - but I am never sure I am sending stories to the right person at the particular publication. Do we have any ideas of who ‘the friendlies’ are out there?
Laura — one of the links above has a story about a VA administrator in Texas who sent out an e-mail to practitioners to downgrade diagnoses from PTSD to a shorter-term disorder to minimize costs regardless of whether longer-term treatment was required for the individual patient. This came out in one of the hearings in which Sen. Murray participated — and I kept thinking about how a licensing board would deal with something like that as I read it. Any thoughts on how that would normally be treated? I’m not familiar with licensing issues for docs because I didn’t specialize in MedMal cases…
Salut to Senator Murray! And to Christy and FDL. Serious women’s issues need as much sunshine as possible, and the troglodyte attitudes must be knocked down.
Senator Webb could do himself and this cause a world of good becoming an advocate and spokesman on this issue. Would give him something productive to discuss while on his booktour these weeks, instead of just Q&A on the veep dance. Just sayin’.
Senators Obama and Clinton, what about you?
And salut as well to the dedicated staff and volunteers at the VA Center in Fargo. We owe our service people and their caregivers no less than citizen oversight and support as well as participation.
There are celebrity Senators, and there are Senators who quietly, with honor, work on sobering issues like these for far too long to implement change. These Senators deserve our notice and support.
Prairie Today: Back in the USSR
Toby — I tend to spotlight it out to people who I know have shown an interest in the subject matter in the past — or who have written thoughtful pieces. But that’s just me. I think everyone has to find a method that works for them — and I’m not aware of any particular strategy on that, though.
Good Morning Christy and Firedogs -
and nothing in the budget is more gamed than Veterans Health - Bush has proposed slashing Brain Injury and PTSD Treatment (by as much as 48%) every year since Budget o4 -
and every year some “anonymous” insider points out it is done for the sake of “appearing to balance the budget by 2012″
yet more cynicism on the backs of those who serve
these are pigs
Speaking of troglodyte attitudes, you should read some of the comments associated with some of the article links and the YouTube linked above. The world is filled with sad and angry little people who think sexual assault and women’s issues are just our own cooked-up hysteria. Clearly I should have taken a Midol instead of writing about this… SIGH
I wonder if there is a difference between services on this issue? It seems as if the Navy may have been dealing with mixing men and women in a confined situation longer than the Army.
I don’t know — I’ve been looking into this a bit, and one of the articles linked about was an Air Force Times piece. There has been some effort in recent years to try and standardize things a bit — in terms of treatment — but not so much in terms of prevention and education, I don’t think, based on what I’ve been reading. But I’m going to keep digging on this, and I’ll let you know what I find…
thx
The nurse I was with this weekend had some interesting stories about being “pimped” by the head nurse to socialize with high ranking officers in order to get supplies in the Nam.
Also meant to mention, FWIW, the senators who signed on to Murray’s latest request for more work on VA/PTSD issues include Obama, Boxer, Bond, Akaka, Harkin, Lieberman, Murray, McCaskill, Sanders…I linked a press release from Sen. Obama’s website above on this.
My impression of the VA is that it is a place where bureaucratic concerns often trump medical ones.
For those who don’t know much about the women in Vietnam.
I bet that was a common strategy…
I think that’s true in far too many ways. Several of the articles and the latest RAND study even bear that out. It’s weird to contemplate how much bean-counting can trump real care in the VA system. But, when you think about it, that’s how things work with most health care, in or out of the military system, these days.
But the cost of not providing care to folks who have severe PTSD issues can be enormous — not just to the individual, but to all of us. And those costs never seem to get the discussion publicly that they need. This quick snippet from AFP gives a thumbnail, but I’m going to try and pull in some broader discussion on the implications if I can over the next few weeks…
It’s all of a piece, though,isn’t it…
The Rolling Thunder folks tried to talk to Bush about service people being declared “personality disorder” instead of PTSD. The difference between care and no care.
Bush just wanted to put on his “awesome” vest.
oh, and there’s this -
and since 1996 - not even if she pays with her own money -
silly me, I see now that rape is included - I’m sure these already traumatized soldiers and marines feel comfortable . . .
If only they’d given him a bike to ride around while wearing his shiny new vest, he’d have been in Shrub heaven. We’re ruled by Pee Wee Herman’s long lost dimmer twin…
The Rolling Thunder folks tried to talk to Bush about service people being declared “personality disorder”
They would know about personality disorders!
btw - forgot to include -
nope, ya can’t have an abortion, but as a recruiting enticement you or any of your military dependents can get a nice nose job
link
ain’t it the troot.
Obama/McCaskill ‘08
Have you had to deal with those folks much, Raven? Everything I see about them makes them look like they’ve transformed themselves into a vet adjunct group of the RNC for shiny PR purposes, but I can’t tell if that’s just the image someone is trying to project or if that’s what they are really doing. What’s your take, if you have one?
I get a sort of “VFW for the Harley crowd” leadership vibe from them…accurate? Anyone know?
The VA administrator in Texas you mention is located at my VA Medical Center in Temple, TX. It is pretty much standard practice in keeping with the VA’s motto; “Delay, deny, and hope you die.” It’s time tested, try squeezing a nickle out of these guys! They can find cause to drag any claim out indefinitely and when they finally do award a Veteran something, it is usually not a fair disability determination. Loss of an arm, we can give you a prosthetic-see, you’re not disabled at all!
btw, the first article that I linked above — the one from the Anchorage paper — is an especially pointed one from a former female officer who has had to deal with these issues through the years and has started an advocacy group for women’s issues in the military. I thought it was a well-done piece and is worth a read.
I’ve heard those sorts of horror stories from former clients who were seeking help with drug/alcohol addiction issues. I used to go round and round with folks at our local VA on behalf of clients we were trying to get better services for while they were dealing with a DUI or some other charge related to addiction issues or spin-off from them, and it was often a nightmare. And our local VA folks are wonderful compared to some other areas of the country, too. I used to hear nightmare stories from other criminal lawyers when I went to CLE conferences about what they had to go through just to get clients into group therapy or any other reasonable service…nightmare stories.
OT there is this article up at the NYT: Auto Industry Feels the Pain of Tight Credit
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05.....o.html?hpv
Somehow it gets all the way through without addressing the point that a lot of this pain comes from their continuing to crank out gas guzzling SUVs at the same time they should have been preparing for high gas prices, peak oil, and the need for more fuel efficient vehicles.
There is also this interesting but fairly long article
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05.....er.html?hp
on corruption and criminality in Chertoff’s border police. Build a fence, no problem! We’ll bribe your border guards. Way to go, Chertoff, again.
I think that is very much the case but I also think it’s a front that uses bikers. Most of those dudes just like to ride. It’s funny that the POW/MIA is sort of a tacit rejection of the government and yet these cats have that right wing thing goin on. What’s amazing is that they look so much like those of us in the VVAW looked when the trickster said, “those bums obviously not veterans”.
How can you possibly write an article about auto industry pain without addressing the gas guzzler inventory pile-up on the car lots? Jeebus, that’s sad…
One more thing about Rolling Thunder and, to a greater extent, the Gathering of Eagles. Webb talks about how the VVAW was a tiny group of “media darlings” who commanded an inordinate amount of press. Whether you like these guys or not they feel betrayed and have no intention of letting that happen again. I’m not saying I agree, I’m just telling you what’s up in my opinion.
I can see that — that was the vibe I was getting, I just wasn’t certain it was accurate. Sometimes the press portrayals come so much out of how the particular reporter is being spun by someone with an agenda axe to grind, and it’s tough to know if what you are seeing is really where the group stands — or where some particularly well-connected mouthpiece wants to position them to stand in the public eye. Without any personal experience with them as a group, it’s tough to tell if that’s the real story…or just what someone wanted us to think it might be, eh?
Back in the 80’s & early 90’s we would go to DC and we couldn’t even get the cops to block the cross streets so the cars wouldn’t drive through us at the lights. ABATE (American Bikers Aimed Toward Education) would sponsor the run and there would be a big party after we all went to the wall. A lot of people were like Raven, Southern Dragon and Myself, disaffected vets. But over the years it has morphed, along with Harley riders in general, into something else, with a bunch of old guys pretending to be bikers and waving their flags. These are indeed the guys who want to beat up DFHs (if there are three of them and one of you, of course). They are a bunch of wanna be bikers wearing Rolling Thunder colors or Harley Owners Group patches. You notice no real gangs were involved. No Pagans, no Angels, no Banditos, no Gypsies. Kind of the reason I sold my bike. Too many clowns pretending to be riders when on bad days they drove their Caddy.
The members of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee might be worth contacting, especially if you live in their states:
Daniel K. Akaka, HI; CHAIRMAN
John D. Rockefeller IV, WV
Patty Murray, WA
Barack Obama, IL
Sherrod Brown, OH
Jon Tester, MT
Jim Webb, VA
Bernard Sanders, VT
Richard Burr, NC; RANKING MEMBER
Arlen Specter, PA,
Larry Craig, ID
Johnny Isakson, GA
Lindsey Graham, SC
Kay Bailey Hutchison, TX
Roger Wicker, MS
(click through the link above to get to their websites)
VA is very hierarchical. Tertiary VA care centers look down there nose at satellite centers which look askance at clinics. Within these, the psych unit is considered a kind of stepchild. I don’t know if things have changed but a few years ago there was a major push to eliminate long term in patient psychiatric care and reduce even limited duration inpatient therapy programs.
It would be interesting to do a study pairing the sexual abuse of female service personnel and the growing fundamentalist Christian grip that has been invading the military. The authoritarian personality that comes with fundamentalists just reinforces the “weak” woman who won’t submit to the “superior” man. Aside from the very tragic trauma that women vets are incurring, the military as a whole is getting deeper and darker into a culture that does not reflect the general values of what this country stands for. At least that’s what I’m seeing from afar.
I know I often had much better luck coordinating services with the local AA folks and with our local “free clinic” out-patient service (which has incredibly limited resources) than I did trying to make it through the maze of VA hierarchy. And that with a judge’s order in hand. So I can only imagine how difficult it can be for someone trying to navigate that on their own with no one else for back-up…
Snarlin’ Arlen is way too busy wanting to hold hearings about professional sports to have any time left to pay attention to what is happening to our military. He’s got his priorities, dontcha know.
So glad you keep sinking your teeth into this one, Christy.
Contact list much appreciated Peterr.
There’s just no excuse for this. None.What.So.Ever.
This is totally OT, but USAToday has a review of “Spies for Hire” - heh - we got Tim Sherrock first!!!
http://www.usatoday.com/money/......htm?csp=1
As a sexual assault counselor specializing in the treatment of PTSD and childhood trauma, it is amazing to me that the military does not understand that the two variables that contribute most to PTSD are:
1) an chronically invalidating environment
2) past trauma
Do they screen for past trauma or mental health issues?? Oh no they don’t!! Not well. And is there any more invalidating environment than the military??
Invalidation will be the key to this. These folks are going to escalate in the illness until the cost of treating them increases. It would actually be more cost effective to treat them as soon as it becomes clear that the symptoms are present. (it takes about 6 months to a year to know whether or not the symptoms relate to PTSD or are considered normal responses to trauma). Once the assessment is made, treatment would be cheaper if done immediatley as opposed to waiting.
I suspect the reason they won’t treat it is as to do with denial. (which is truly scary and invalidating…we humans need truth like we need oxygen-which means that the social consequences for ignoring these symptoms will far outweight the treatment itself). If they treat it, they would have to admit that it’s a problem. And if they admit it’s a problem they might have to admit that it has something to do with the screening process, the use and reliance on power and control to train soldiers, and the fact that violence breeds violence. Geese. How do you keep waging wars without using violence??
The truth will set us free. Those women need to keep telling the truth. Healing will come from empowering themselves to heal, get their credibility back and tell it from the mountain tops!!
RevDeb,
hard as Specktor tries, the Eagles will never be the winners of SuperBowl XLII
Well, isn’t this interesting . . .
From the VA’s very own website:
Sounds like the person running the VA website might have a slightly better handle on the subject than the unnamed briefer-spinner-psychiatrist quoted in the ADN piece above. Perhaps in the interests of honesty, however, the VA might want to amend their website to say “Some Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) healthcare professionals are sensitive to the aftereffects of sexual trauma . . .” Clearly there is at least one who is not.
Yes, well, that would require self-examination and honesty up front, now wouldn’t it. *g* NPR has done a thorough series of reports on psych treatment deficiencies for PTSD and other issues over the past year or so, including one incredible piece of reporting on this from Ft. Collins in which the reporter sat in on a training session for practitioners and counselors that was a real eye opener in terms of how military personnel are “handled” with these issues. I’ll have to dig up that link and post it…
Not to say that The Church of Latter Day Saints are considered part of that right wing Christian hold in the military, but your remark brought to mind something I heard in a news report about the 300 + children taken from the Texas Ranch a few weeks ago.
I don’t have a link, but in a discussion of why the court had decided that the State had no right to remove the kids, someone said that there were NO signs of physical or sexual abuse. And, man, my blood got to boiling.
Am I the only one who can’t imagine those girls as young as 13 years old were in normal, healthy teenage relationships when they got pregnant?
It’s absolutely perverse.
Does anyone think that part of this is a ‘you put yourself in harm’s way by joining up and wanting more combat roles - so it’s your own fault’ attitude? Have the way women who are in combat zones(nurses, etc.) have been treated changed any?
I find it very odd as most of the Mental Health proffesionals I have dealt with at the VA have been women. In retrospect, I can recall only two males over all these years, including my time in the service.
Wow — that was a quick find — thank you Google. Here’s the link to the particular piece by Daniel Zwerdling, this is a great piece on one soldier’s struggle and this to some of his series of reports on these issues.
In those cases, the state would have the right to remove particular children from particular families in which individual allegations of abuse were raised, but they would not have the ability to remove children wholesale from families in which abuse was not alleged. Every family in the compound, as I understand it, did not participate in younger marriage — some did, and those are the ones about which particularized questions could and should be raised. But abuse and neglect law requires a particularized showing for good reason — because the trauma of removal for children and the attachment disorder issues that follow can be as damaging as abuse int eh home, and removal should not happen lightly.
They are going to be years in unravelling all of that mess…
Thanks!
(You might want to correct your #44 — it is at Fort Carson, not Fort Collins.)
Oh, and technically — the folks in Texas are not part of the Church of Latter Day Saints (the Mormon church). They are apostate — or not affiliated — as a break-off branch that left the church when polygamy was outlawed back in the 1800s. I think their name for themselves if I remember from news reports correctly is the “Fundamentalist Church of Latter Day Saints” — which makes them sound like they are part of the Mormon church, but they are not officially affiliated, as I understand it. (And that’s way too confusing for me this morning…I need more coffee…)
I always mix those two up — thanks.
My husband and I were discussing this post (thank you, Christy), and he said he’s always thought that criminal minds reveal themselves in their lack of thought for long-term consequences of their actions. This is the thing that convinces him of the criminality of the Bush administration in every area of government.
A couple of sites with info on the FDLS:
http://www.mormonfundamentalism.com/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F.....Day_Saints
OT-some good news! Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, a Republican of course, has been beating the drums on an “epidemic of voter fraud” initiative. Abbott has selectively prosecuted Democrats, nearly all of them minorities and senior citizens, for assisting elderly and disabled voters by delivering sealed ballots to an elections office, mail box or post office.
“Mr. Abbott has prosecuted 26 cases – all against Democrats, and almost all involving blacks or Hispanics…Mr. Abbott has not unraveled any large-scale schemes with the potential to swing elections…The cases his office pursued largely have involved mail-in ballots. In 18 of the 26 cases, the voters were eligible, votes were properly cast and no vote was changed – but the people who collected the ballots for mailing were prosecuted.
(Dallas Morning News, May 18, 2008)
Well, Mr. Abbott gets to explain his actions in Federal Court May 28th! Read all about it here!
Julia’s upstairs with “Barbecued Veepstakes: McCain Gnaws On His Prospects.”
Okay, first kneejerk reactions:
The phrase “military sexual trauma”, and its sterile three letter abbreviation (MST), need to be discarded immediately. We’re talking about rape and sexual assault. “Military sexual trauma” seems to avoid the fact that not only is there a victim, there’s a perpetrator. Or a group of perpetrators. And those people need to be captured and charged for their crimes.
I tend to have similar feelings about domestic violence and child abuse (which has now become “non-accidental trauma” in the pediatrics world). Beating up your spouse or your child should be seen as equivalent to–or worse than–beating up stranger on the street.
As to whether or not rape or sexual assault can lead to (or worsen) PTSD (which should still be called “shell shock”, in my opinion, but I know that’s a losing battle), that seems like a no-brainer to me. And the VA psychiatrist who says otherwise needs to be reported to the state medical board and the national psychiatry board.
These polygamous communities had to have been known to local and state officials and tolerated. What I find odd about this is that the argument is made by religious conservatives that if gay marriages are legitimized this will gut the case against polygamy and incest. But in the Texas case you have a religiously conservative group engaged in polygamy. I have not heard a big hue and cry from the religious right about this. If they were going to go ballistic about the one I would rather expect them to do so with reference to the latter but they don’t. I’m not saying they are supportive of polygamy but there silence on this is telling.
Also I would argue that these polygamous families formed a tight knit community and that all of them contributed to an abusive environment. All of them knew about these inherently abusive underage “marriages” and not only did nothing about them but supported them.
Oh, yes, I understand that it is a mess and I too worry about the emotional effects of being taken from their families.
Also, I did not mean to disparage the entire Mormon Church. Fundamentalist faction, in deed. Imagine that! And, I don’t necessarily have a major beef with the Concept of Polygamy. It wouldn’t be my preferred relationship, but I worry for young women coerced into any type of relationship.
I think you are right about it taking a long time to sort that mess out. As with other secretive organizations, including the political and government ones, it makes it especially difficult to see or understand what nefarious things are going on.
All true. But in an abuse and neglect case, the law generally requires that there be a particularlized showing of specific instances of abuse and neglect which go directly to a question of immediate harm to a child in that particular family based on conduct in that particulr family in which the child resides. It’s not set up for a “common family scheme” consideration as you would have in this type of community — which does not allow for a wholesale removal without a common showing of widespread abuse among all of these families.
Which is to say, without a particularized showing for each, individual family, the wholesale removal went against the legal justification. It’s an odd situation, and one which — as I said — is going to be years in the unraveling, I’m sure. I cannot imagine having to be one of the attorneys on any side of this case, because it’s going to be a mess for quite some time.
Even in single-family cases, it can take a long, long time to sort out this sort of mess — because, quite honestly, young children aren’t exactly equipped verbally or emotionally to talk about sexual abuse in an open and factually explicit way. And where they are, it can be unnerving, to say the least, and a logistical and investigative nightmare on a number of levels. And that’s just for sexual abuse cases. The regular physical abuse and/or neglect cases are heartbreaking enough — and to really begin to unravel anything you first have to gain some measure of trust with the kids you are trying to help and that can take quite a bit of time.
In this case, because of the way things were handled from the start, I’d say it will take a longer time frame for any social agency personnel to establish any real relationship with kids or adults in an already secretive community that is defensive against any outsiders. They have had some success with some of these groups in AZ and UT as I understand it, in forging a more open relationship to be able to monitor underage marriages and such — it’s part of how they got to Jeffs for prosecution in the first place — but I have no idea if that gets to any real level of help or whether it is just barely scratching the surface for the at risk kids because we don’t deal much with that issue here in WV. If anyone has thoughts on this, I’d love to her them…
I tend to be a frequent critic is Child Protective Services, but in this case I think they did exactly the right thing. They aren’t saying much in their public statements, so you have to do a little reading between the lines. They got a phone call (now believed to be fake) from someone claiming to be an underaged minor in the compound who was being beaten and raped. The investigated, and discovered a number of underaged girls who appeared to be mothers, pregnant, or married to older men, raising the possibility of widespread sexual abuse in the compound. Here’s the “reading between the lines” part: It appears that many people in the compound lied to investigators about their names, ages, and relationships to one another. They interpreted this (correctly, in my mind) as a widespread conspiracy to protect the abuses in their midst, and responded by removing all of the children from the compound. It was a drastic move, but it’s also pretty drastic for a group of parents to lie to investigators in order to shield the identities of child abusers.
Yep — I think that’s a good read, actually. And I hope they follow-up with the adults who gave false statements — and would expect them to do so, although proving those is also going to be a difficult row to hoe with a group as tight-lipped as these folks have proven to be.
I didn’t mean to derail your topic, really. But I did see the common theme of authoritarian abuse of women in the two situations.
My thoughts? Ach, my head hurts. There are just so many horrible issues to worry about, aren’t there.
As you said, it’s going to be very difficult to sort out. It’s probably too late in my life to go back to school to get a degree in physcology, do the years of internship and work my way into Child Protection Service for me to help that situation. The best thing I can think of is for people to educate the public. Maybe a movie. Jodie Foster as an investigator who goes undercover into one of these [cults] to break the situation open. When my mind/heart gets overburdened, my imagination takes over.
I would imagine that they started video-taping people early on, but I don’t know what the laws are on false statements to local and state officials here. I would also imagine that, once CPS has your kids, you have to be able to prove that their YOUR kids in order to get them back, and that’s going to be the next chapter in the drama.