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		<title>By: sporkovat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464438</link>
		<dc:creator>sporkovat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The Times article Attaturk links cites the recent RAND survey:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;On April 17 the RAND Corporation released a study of service members and veterans back home from Iraq and Afghanistan. The 500-page study was titled Invisible Wounds of War: Psychological and Cognitive Injuries, Their Consequences, and Services to Assist Recovery.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Here’s how the figures add up, just for Americans. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have thus far produced 300,000 psychological casualties, 320,000 brain injury casualties, plus 35,000 (probably understated) officially reported “normal” casualties.&lt;strong&gt; This adds up to 655,000 US casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, an average of just under 101,000 Americans killed or wounded every year since the wars began.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Er, the Democratic Candidates do not have plans to end the war, they have plans to try to manage it better, giving their team of policy wonks a chance to play with the toy soldiers.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Jeremy Scahill, correspondent for Democracy Now! says:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
“&lt;strong&gt;I mean, this is actually a pretty sustained indefinite occupation that’s going to be on the table if either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama are in office and take power. &lt;/strong&gt;“&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then there is Thomas Powers in the New York Review of Books&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21431&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21431&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Iraq: Will We Ever Get Out?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;At an unmarked moment somewhere between the third and the sixth month a sea change occurs: &lt;strong&gt;Bush’s war becomes the new president’s war&lt;/strong&gt;, and getting out means failure, means defeat, means rising opposition at home, means no second term. It’s not hard to see where this is going.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;do you want to have to hang your head meekly as further massacres in Iraq are revealed under Commander in Chief Barack Obama?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then attempt to get a commitment for a real, total end to the illegal, immoral, continuing war crime that is the occupation.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because how did it work out, backing John “reporting for duty” Kerry unconditionally?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We have been down this road before. In 2004, progressives lined up behind Senator Kerry, and progressive organizations made no demands upon him. The anti-war movement folded its tents. After this early and unconditional surrender on the part of the American left, Senator Kerry moved sharply to the right .The Democratic Convention was militaristic in form and corporate in policy. The candidate who had called himself “anti-war” &lt;strong&gt;wound up running against Bush’s war policy from the right, calling for tens of thousands more troops&lt;/strong&gt;, and criticizing Bush for having pulled back from Falluja simply because of the massive civilian carnage. &lt;strong&gt;Yet for all of this appeasement of the right, Kerry lost the election. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;from &lt;a href=&quot;http://counterpunch.org/kafoury05272008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://counterpunch.org/kafoury05272008.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know, Counterpunch is outside of the (D) pasture, but Democracy Now! and the New York Review of Books have status, so hopefully some tiny percentage can see past the messenger to the message.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Times article Attaturk links cites the recent RAND survey:</p>
<blockquote><p>On April 17 the RAND Corporation released a study of service members and veterans back home from Iraq and Afghanistan. The 500-page study was titled Invisible Wounds of War: Psychological and Cognitive Injuries, Their Consequences, and Services to Assist Recovery.</p>
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<blockquote><p>Here’s how the figures add up, just for Americans. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have thus far produced 300,000 psychological casualties, 320,000 brain injury casualties, plus 35,000 (probably understated) officially reported “normal” casualties.<strong> This adds up to 655,000 US casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan, an average of just under 101,000 Americans killed or wounded every year since the wars began.</strong></p>
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<p>Er, the Democratic Candidates do not have plans to end the war, they have plans to try to manage it better, giving their team of policy wonks a chance to play with the toy soldiers.</p>
<p>Jeremy Scahill, correspondent for Democracy Now! says:</p>
<blockquote><p>
“<strong>I mean, this is actually a pretty sustained indefinite occupation that’s going to be on the table if either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama are in office and take power. </strong>“</p>
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<p>then there is Thomas Powers in the New York Review of Books</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21431" rel="nofollow">http://www.nybooks.com/articles/21431</a></p>
<p>“Iraq: Will We Ever Get Out?”</p>
<blockquote><p>At an unmarked moment somewhere between the third and the sixth month a sea change occurs: <strong>Bush’s war becomes the new president’s war</strong>, and getting out means failure, means defeat, means rising opposition at home, means no second term. It’s not hard to see where this is going.</p>
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<p>do you want to have to hang your head meekly as further massacres in Iraq are revealed under Commander in Chief Barack Obama?</p>
<p>then attempt to get a commitment for a real, total end to the illegal, immoral, continuing war crime that is the occupation.</p>
<p>Because how did it work out, backing John “reporting for duty” Kerry unconditionally?</p>
<blockquote><p>We have been down this road before. In 2004, progressives lined up behind Senator Kerry, and progressive organizations made no demands upon him. The anti-war movement folded its tents. After this early and unconditional surrender on the part of the American left, Senator Kerry moved sharply to the right .The Democratic Convention was militaristic in form and corporate in policy. The candidate who had called himself “anti-war” <strong>wound up running against Bush’s war policy from the right, calling for tens of thousands more troops</strong>, and criticizing Bush for having pulled back from Falluja simply because of the massive civilian carnage. <strong>Yet for all of this appeasement of the right, Kerry lost the election. </strong></p>
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<p>from <a href="http://counterpunch.org/kafoury05272008.html" rel="nofollow">http://counterpunch.org/kafoury05272008.html</a></p>
<p>I know, Counterpunch is outside of the (D) pasture, but Democracy Now! and the New York Review of Books have status, so hopefully some tiny percentage can see past the messenger to the message.</p>
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		<title>By: rxbusa</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464414</link>
		<dc:creator>rxbusa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:23:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh my goodness yes.  I just came back to peek at what all the fuss was about.  Having been married to a Vietnam vet who enlisted in the Marines just out of high school because he didn’t want to get drafted (just a week before the Berrigan Bros burned down his Selective Service Bldg) and had lots of friends who served, there are a whole lot of different reasons for signing up. My ex got there, did what he had to do, and came home and joined Vietnam Vets against the War.  He survived okay, but his best friend is having problems with delayed PTSD.  I was as against that war as I am against this one, but I think it is wrong to say anyone who enlists is a criminal.  Got no problem saying it about those at the top, though.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Going to the movies these days and seeing the slick recruitment ads makes me want to puke.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my goodness yes.  I just came back to peek at what all the fuss was about.  Having been married to a Vietnam vet who enlisted in the Marines just out of high school because he didn’t want to get drafted (just a week before the Berrigan Bros burned down his Selective Service Bldg) and had lots of friends who served, there are a whole lot of different reasons for signing up. My ex got there, did what he had to do, and came home and joined Vietnam Vets against the War.  He survived okay, but his best friend is having problems with delayed PTSD.  I was as against that war as I am against this one, but I think it is wrong to say anyone who enlists is a criminal.  Got no problem saying it about those at the top, though.</p>
<p>Going to the movies these days and seeing the slick recruitment ads makes me want to puke.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464385</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Gotta go to work.  Got an idea folks at work oughtta tread lightly around me today.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Peace Love Light&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta go to work.  Got an idea folks at work oughtta tread lightly around me today.</p>
<p>Peace Love Light</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464384</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;That article’s almost 2 years old.  VA funding is the big battleground now because of shit like that.  We always knew the only way these motherfuckers supported the troops was providing transportation to shitholes to get killed, or worse.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That article’s almost 2 years old.  VA funding is the big battleground now because of shit like that.  We always knew the only way these motherfuckers supported the troops was providing transportation to shitholes to get killed, or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: cbl2</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464380</link>
		<dc:creator>cbl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good Morning Attaturk and Firedogs -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and the WH has proposed cutting Brain Injury funding every year since 04.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…chop funding for the Defense and Veterans Brain Injury Center from $14 million to $7 million. The center runs 10 facilities across the country, including one at Fort Bragg that has performed research and treated soldiers’ injuries since 1998.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsobserver.com/110/story/480210.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;link&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;pigs&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning Attaturk and Firedogs -</p>
<p>and the WH has proposed cutting Brain Injury funding every year since 04.</p>
<blockquote><p>…chop funding for the Defense and Veterans Brain Injury Center from $14 million to $7 million. The center runs 10 facilities across the country, including one at Fort Bragg that has performed research and treated soldiers’ injuries since 1998.</p>
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<p><a href="http://www.newsobserver.com/110/story/480210.html" rel="nofollow">link</a></p>
<p>pigs</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464379</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;What’s funny is that he’s a security consultant and it took about 3 key strokes to figure him out.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s funny is that he’s a security consultant and it took about 3 key strokes to figure him out.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464377</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;mmphh, mmphh *&lt;em&gt;fist in mouth, don’t say nothin’, don’t say nothin’&lt;/em&gt;*&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mmphh, mmphh *<em>fist in mouth, don’t say nothin’, don’t say nothin’</em>*</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464375</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yea, I like getting slapped around by a security consultant for best buy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yea, I like getting slapped around by a security consultant for best buy.</p>
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		<title>By: SouthernDragon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464373</link>
		<dc:creator>SouthernDragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I caught that little bit on the next thread.  Must be something in the water.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I caught that little bit on the next thread.  Must be something in the water.</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/27/from-no-casualties-to-330000/#comment-1464370</link>
		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 13:00:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, they deleted it and then when I alerted them on the next thread that they might want to come back and delete me again some dude took offense to my “drama” about getting my hand slapped.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, they deleted it and then when I alerted them on the next thread that they might want to come back and delete me again some dude took offense to my “drama” about getting my hand slapped.</p>
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