Folks in WV have recently learned of vets who have returned from Iraq, only to pass away from what may be a deadly interaction of prescription medication for PTSD. As murrayewv points out in a detailed DKos diary, local news in WV has reported this — but with little to no national press scrutiny:
To date the veterans who have died are Derek Johnson 22 of Hurricane, WV; Andrew White, 23 of Cross Lanes; Eric Lane 29 of Kanawha City and Nicholas Endicott of Logan country. Today’s story from the Charleston Gazette-Mail was written by Julie Robinson. She reports:
Stan White, father of soldier Andrew White, has become an advocate for families of returning veterans with post-traumatic stress disorder. During his son’s struggle with the disorder and since his death, White has tracked similar cases. He knows of about eight in the tri-state area of Kentucky, Ohio and West Virginia….
"When I talked to his family about Derek, I realized it was the same old story," said White. "It was all too familiar. He was taking those same drugs as the others, and, yes, I believe they are still prescribing that combination."
Here are some more links to this story: link.
We owe our nation’s veterans better than a shrug of the shoulders after they have put their blood and lives on the line, for both visible and unseen wounds. And what they are getting at the moment is simply not right.
As Joe Galloway of McClatchy puts it:
This year, however, I’ll depart from tradition and ask that we reflect less on our fallen comrades who are at peace, and more on those veterans – especially those from our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – who are alive and need our help.
How strange that today in our country, in a time of war, battles are raging over the need for medical care, educational benefits, employment opportunities and assistance for those who’ve served honorably and come home to begin new lives in a nation they risked their lives to defend.
The shameful thing is that most of those battles are being waged against the very government, the very bureaucracies, the very politicians who sent those young men and women to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Maybe the right word here isn’t shameful, but criminal.
On Capitol Hill, our lawmakers debate the pros and cons of a new GI Bill that would provide our latest combat veterans with education benefits at least equal to those that their grandfathers received when they came home from winning World War II.
Our president has threatened to veto that bill if Congress passes it. The Republican candidate to succeed him, Sen. John McCain, a veteran and former prisoner of war himself, refuses to support that GI Bill and offers a watered down, cheaper substitute….
Others among us wage endless battles and rage against the very agency charged with providing medical care, disability pensions, mental health care and counseling and, yes, the parsimonious educational benefits for all who’ve served and sacrificed for our country – the Veterans Administration.
In recent months, VA officials have been caught providing false statistics that far understate the true number of veterans, old and young, who commit suicide. They’ve ordered doctors to diagnose fewer cases of post-traumatic stress disorder and to substitute a diagnosis of a lesser, temporary stress disorder….
Let’s all pay lip service to Support Our Troops. But if we want to be honest, we should edit those yellow-ribbon bumper stickers to say Support Our Troops – As Long As It Doesn’t Cost Anything….
And it goes on. In the past, I’ve posted ideas for helping out veterans, their families and especially their kids — you can find those, filled with links and ideas here, here, and here. The fantastically thorough Hilzoy runs down McCain hypocrisies on veterans issues. (H/T Yglesias.) And dday updates the continuing saga of the Gen. Petraeus "see you in September" show. But it is these words from a speech given by Oliver Wendell Holmes in 1884 that get right to the heart of putting the memorial back in the day:
…Accidents may call up the events of the war. You see a battery of guns go by at a trot, and for a moment you are back at White Oak Swamp, or Antietam, or on the Jerusalem Road. You hear a few shots fired in the distance, and for an instant your heart stops….
These and the thousand other events we have known are called up, I say, by accident, and, apart from accident, they lie forgotten. But as surely as this day comes round we are in the presence of the dead. For one hour, twice a year at least–at the regimental dinner, where the ghosts sit at table more numerous than the living, and on this day when we decorate their graves–the dead come back and live with us….
And so, remember the costs — past, present, and ongoing — and the bravery, the exhaustion and the triumph of will, and the enormous sacrifice and worry of families left behind. Find some way to show compassion toward those who need it most, wherever they may be. Put the memorial back in the day, and honor the service of those who have come before us by serving those who most need a hand. Including those who have put their lives on the line, and who are now being left further and further behind by those who asked so much of them in the first place.
Related posts:






Spotlight







Support this site!
Subscribe to the newsletter
Advertise on Firedoglake
Send
us your tips
Make us your homepage
About Firedoglake
Advanced search

Good morning Christy. Somber news.
Good Morning Christy…..
Morning all — good to see everyone. Need more coffee…but yes, my vacation was lovely, had a great time. But it’s awfully nice to be home again.
Welcome back, Christy. And well said.
Welcome back, Christy. So glad you got a break! And I see that you and Jane will be in Minneapolis in June. My home town. I’m supposed to be a state convention delegate same weekend. Talk about being torn! :-)
Welcome back, Christy.
Somewhere I heard or read that the WWII GI Bill had a ROI – Return on investment of $7.00 for every $1.00 spent…. In my family it had a profound effect….. both parents received advanced degrees and now into the third generation of college grads….
If you want something to stimulate the economy….. what the GI Bill did to for the US following WWII, the boom in science, medicine and education…. If these yahoos want to run the government like a business…. that kind of ROI any business would die to have…
‘The McCain Hypocrisies’
Sounds like a Ludlum novel, doesn’t it?!
Yes, well that would require a basic understanding of business principles, caring about the long-term health and well-being of people in this country and having a conscience about bettering the lives of people who have risked theirs for your causes. And therein lies the problem with the current Administration…
LOL — It does sound like a Ludlum title. *g*
My first response to hearing about the mysterious deaths of the three soldiers and the substantial combination of medication they were on is how much they must have been suffering from their symptoms, and that there is no simple or effective medicinal approach to curing it.
The second thought I had was wondering if these were suicides, the incidence of which we are becoming painfully aware for returning vets from these latest wars. But the linked story says that one soldier died in the hospital at Bethesda which means it was unlikely he intentionally overdosed on his medication.
At first glance, the combination shouldn’t cause death, but some antipsychotic medications taken alone can prolong electrical conduction of the heart resulting in heart block and cardiac arrest. It’s rare, but it happens. An overdose can increase the chance of it occurring.
Meant to link this up above as well: on women warriors, the trauma of sexual assault and lack of care from military providers.
This is also a good one on retired folks stepping up to do a live recital of Taps rather than allow it to be played from a digital recording.
Welcome back Christy,
from your link
Yep — it’s a daunting article to read, Elliott. But one that needs a lot wider discussion.
Good morning, CHS. I just sent Joe Galloway’s op-ed to everyone in my address book in the form of a Memorial Day card. Thanks for linking to it, would never have found it on my own.
Yesterday I went upstate, as I have for many yrs. now, to put flowers & a flag on my Dad’s grave. Trimmed the crabgrass from around his tombstone, & from the flat marker for my brother, Joe. Joe isn’t buried there. He really isn’t buried anywhere, since his body never returned from Vietnam, so we just put up a marker for him next to my parents’ graves. I won’t go into the reasons his remains were not able to be shipped home, but I still dream about them sometimes. His name is on the Black Wall.
How to honor our newest Vets, those coming back from the ME, how to honor their families? How to honor the thousands of dead, wounded, maimed in body & mind on all sides of this conflict? By making swift & severe the reckoning for those who sent them to a senseless war without end. Break that mold, let the world see it’s broken. We need to regain our own honor in order to clear the path to helping our Vets, to paying our debt to all of them. We need a Fed Gov that views the care of our Vets as a top priority, not an expensive annoyance.
And the next administration must make a lasting example of those in BushCo who so thoughtlessly & callously sent our nation’s future off to die. If there is no penalty for what they’ve done, others will surely try to do it again.
Something more immediate we all can do- volunteer yr. time or donate to help our Vets. Volunteer info @ the link below or dozens of others a simple net search can reveal:
http://www.volunteer.va.gov/
http://www.votevets.org/index_html
I thought that Galloway article hit a number of points squarely that desperately needed making — and was so glad that I stumbled onto it yesterday. Glad you found it useful as well.
1,853 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Hardin Smith and the Firepup Freedom Fighters:
Today is a day for some of us to remember to remember and my memories also include those incredible women nurses I served with who have never received the recognition and support they needed or earned except in the memories of those of us for whom they were indeed life savers.
Please see my post EPU’d at the bottom of the Scarecrow’s post…I hope you will think about the politics of hope that we must carry forward in the next few months and leave behind the divisive politics and ppoliticians that refuse to recognize the horror of this war. That politics and bloodless politicians of both genders who justify their own accession to power on the blood of those innocent victims in Iraq.
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, WE ARE CALLED TO FIGHT AGAIN…LET’S MAKE IT RIGHT THIS TIME!!
It’s something that needs to be faced down NOW. I think one of the best thing that could happen in our society is to have a military that has a full contingent of women in it, and gays. We need a sexually integrated military, for our own good.
The author of that NY Times piece, Helen Benedict, is coming out with “The Lonely Soldier: The Private War of Women Serving in Iraq.” would be a great book salon — hint hint.
just put my flag up. in addition to reflecting on those who have gone to war when called, i’d also like to say a word of thanks for those who have refused to go.
War & remembrance? Students flunk history quiz
Interesting point was asking if knowledge of the war of 1812 is important…. YEA…. then you would call bullhocky to Bush’s assertions about oceans don’t protect us….. they didn’t then when they burned down the WH ….
p.s. i’m glad you’re back christy. we missed you.
Should any of those sexually abused women ever run for the presidency or the vice-presidency, those (inside and outside the news media) who call for total and unrestricted disclosure of the medical records of presidential and vice-presidential candidates will want to examine every clinical detail—not that there are clinical examinations in all cases of sexual abuse, or that all victims feel at liberty to even report the abuse.
Part of my comment from the previous thread:
Revolutionary War – c25,000
War of 1812 – c20,000
Civil War – c885,000
Spanish-American War – 2,446
World War I – 116,516
World War II – 405,399
Korean War – 36,516
Viet Nam – 58,209
Irak – 4,082 (to date)
How many more?
good point. and very sad.
I know I didn’t report it when I was raped — I was too ashamed and somehow blamed myself (I was still in HS, so chalk it up to being young and naive — I know better now where the fault lies). But I’ve been through enough trials on sexual assault cases to know the way that the “blame the victim” strategery can come into play on something like that, too — sickening though it may be.
Some days, I despair of things ever getting better on any number of fronts. Anyone else feeling that way lately? Maybe it’s just because so much needs fixing all at one time at the moment…
When I married my ex who was a SSGT in the USAF working in fighter pilot squadrons… the sexism was really shocking …. in the 70’s there was the attitude that if the military wanted them to have a wife, they would issue one…. and the random comments overheard… I found it disturbing then but as underlying culturally accepted behavior. Then think of Tailhook and now to the high risk of rape within the military for female personnel seems to be an extension of a culture that never was dealt with.
In the end I think there will need to be a complete overhaul of the military and culture ….. in may aspects….
You’ll be happy to know that the commandant of midshipmen at the Naval Academy is now a female. Change happens very slowly in the military context, but it does eventually happen in there…
I’m sure that these women will get lots of sympathy from the Limbaughs, O’Reillys and Ingrahams of the world.
(((christy)))
some days. maybe even most days. but not today.
Christy, I really enjoyed (???) your article at the Blog of Rights.
Great articles of many of our favorite bloggers.
EPU or whatever they call it:
I see George Bush’s Brownshirts in the audience are commemorating their Fuhrer this morning on C-SPAN. Makes my stomach turn.
Don’t forget our Donut Dollies.
In the story, the drug combination used was Paxil (paroxetine an SSRI), Klonopin (clonazepam a long acting benzodiazepine), and Seroquel (quetiapine an atypical antipsychotic) and the patient died in his sleep. Just my opinion but the odd man out in this group is Seroquel. Its efficacy in suppressing intrusive ideation vs its side effects profile does not make it a good fit for long term PTSD treatment. It is a serotonin, dopamine, histamine, and alpha adrenergic antagonist. It is this last which would have cardiovascular effects if there were to be any.
From the little I read on the subject, the pharmacology of PTSD therapy involves treating symptoms. Since patients have different combinations of these, different combinations of drugs are used, a sort of mix and match approach.
I would suggest that antipsychotics like Seroquel not be used in PTSD except in extreme cases.
Saw Bush this morning “honoring” those who died in service. It made me livid.
p.s. wrt to violence against women (including sexual assault), when i lived in dallas i volunteered for a local shelter, and saw massive changes for the better when law enforcement folks (especially the men) were educated on what was effective and what wasn’t.. and when the culture of complacency was changed from the top. saw some pretty horrible stuff too, including the handling of the case of a classmate of mine who was raped on campus – but i do think that in the last 20 years there has been progress. still a long way to go.
yeah, i feel that way somtimes. it’ll get better in some ways. i’ll be pushin’ up daisies by then.
1,853 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Raven:
Thanx for the post I will never forget the brothers and sisters I served with without whom I wouldn’t have made it home. Please go upstream to the end of Brother Scarecrow’s comments. This is indeed a day for some of us to remember to remember, sigh…
Remeber Brother Raven, those memories and those terrible endless moments we experienced so long ago are part of a history that we have been charged to keep and to make some greater meaning of and to pass it on to those whose souls have not yet been scorched by curse of war. We need to be here for those who don’t understand that someday soon this terrible war is gunna come home to them…
Keep the faith Brother Raven…
KEEP THE FAITH AND PASS THE AMMUNITION, THE CHOICE HAS BEEN MADE FOR US!!!
There was a story in the SF Chronicle yesterday about the lost tradition of displaying poppies for Memorial Day. Somehow red poppies seem to fit the feeling…the lives lost and bodies maimed, sadness on the sorry state we find ourselves in, and the outrage depletion.
I don’t understand how the Rolling Thunder folks could be all buddy-buddy with Shrub.
Because they’ve turned into a adjunct wing of the GOP rather than simply standing for veterans’ rights issues, because it allows their leadership to rub elbows with the powerful? Just a guess…
Thank you for saying this.
Watching him makes me want to smash my head between a window & sill over and over.
Just like the VFW.
I’m disgusted by this
Raven, thanks for the link. I thought this letter was still poignant today for our returning soldiers:
http://www.emilydd.com/dong_ta…..g_home.htm
Here’s what one of my readers said about the Rolling Thunder tribute Bush got:
http://whitenoiseinsanity.word…..ment-52574
War damages everything. This war has 2,3 ,4 and 5 combat deployments. All of these military personnell are damaged goods. The psychological damage alone devastates the individuals chance to participate normally in society after service. The violence will not be contained. The pain will stop the pursuit of happiness for some a lot of folks are taking their own lives. Thr Neocon fortunes should fund the treatment, housing and care of these folks. Their will be fewer jobs and opportunity for them and the new college grads. If I were a combat vet I don’t think I would want to relive it. It is so so sad. It is so heavy. The military is for keeping the peace. Mostly it is true and for that I am grateful.
How great would it be if a portion of the retail sales from this weekend went to veteran’s groups and their families?
My Dollar Daze Blowout!!! Memorial Day weekend blog post:
http://santafeandthefatcityhorns.blogspot.com
People now say “Happy Memorial Day,” like “Merry Christmas”.
Clueless.
Disgusted doesn’t begin to describe my feelings. Makes me want to wear my anti-war suit every day.
They clearly didn’t have a great uncle who floated on an oil barrel in the Pacific theater for days, watching his buddies get picked off by sharks while awaiting rescue, a time in his life that was only discussed in hushed tones after much whiskey late at night at the family reunion…or any number of other childhood memories of the vets in my family, none of whom regarded war as something “fun” or “braggy” or anything to take out and wave in someone else’s face. It was something you did because you had to, and that you survived because you were lucky…and that you tried to leave behind because you loved your family more than the darkness.
And that’s just for starters.
gem of an idea.
Well said.
Here we are at the camp out.
One of my uncles (one of my mother’s brothers) was on one of those D-Day landing craft. His descriptions to me of the horrors of that invasion were reproduced in harrowingly accurate, authentic detail by Spielberg in “Saving Private Ryan.” Then, later in the flick, the scene with the crashed glider, jeez…(my Dad flew those. That’s how he lost his leg).
New Marcy
New, there are 70+ posts there.
My father-in-law drove those landing craft — not at DDay, but at Iwo Jima and elsewhere in the Pacific. He hasn’t been able to get through the first couple of minutes of Saving Private Ryan because it was too accurate for his comfort level. Truly.
Which one are you?
My most favorite protest sign:
http://whitenoiseinsanity.file
I took this picture at the Kennebunkport, Maine protest against Bush & Putin last summer. With this sign leading the angry mob as we traveled towards the Bush Compound, I thought it was very fitting! LOL Seemed kind of appropriate.
I hear ya. My Dad and all four of his brothers were in, as were all of my Mom’s brothers. On my Pop’s side, only he and Warren survived the war years (all of my Mom’s brothers survived, most of ‘em carrying a lot of psych damage).
Sorry, I meant to say which one of those handsome gents are you? :)
Kay, thanks for the kind comment on my blog, btw.
No, no…thank you. The WWII vets really do make up the Greatest Generation. As a country, we’ve lost our way since then. Sad.
Shaved head in the back.
My pop too red, signalman on an LCVP. Like him, your pop-in-law likely made more than one of those runs. My dad wouldn’t go to the d-day museum until they opened a Pacific wing, I think he said, We had 32 goddamn D-days on the Crosby”!
Wow.
Strange tribute to the Sullivan’s, sort of the idea of Private Ryan.
He did — he made a lot of those runs. And at the age of 16 — he signed up young, with a wink and a nod from the recruiting agent at the Navy desk. And was a Marine in Korea as well, surviving some of the more horrific fighting in both conflicts. A nicer guy you’d never meet, too…
OT (sorry)
I just found a link next to Liz Trotta’s bio at Fox to leave a suggestion.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34775,00.html
I suggested she be fired.
Actually the Juneau (CL-52) was a crusier, not a battlewagon but, hey, it’s only rock and roll.
If I believed in anything I’d say bless him.
she needs a visit from the Secret Service.
My Dad was the second wave at Tarawa and the lost so many in the the first wave as the landing crafts could not get over the reefs and they had to swim to shore….. discussed this before but Dad would not talk about it for years but lately it is like he NEEDS to tell people about it…..
He went to F911 and said it really bothered him….. brought back a lot of it and that is when he started talking about it……
She needs to have “resigned to pursue other opportunities” too.
My FIL drove one of the boats in at Trawa, so maybe your dad and my FIL met at some point.
And what will we hear from the corporate media about this?
*crickets*
FIRED! would be more appropriate, but it is Fox News
could be….. years ago when we lived here in AZ as a kid (1957-65) Dad was a Wild Biologist for the AZ Game & Fish….. working down by Yuma he ran into his Marine commander from Tarawa…… renewed their friendship and the families had get togethers through the years……. It is funny those 6 degrees of separation happen…..
They got hung on the reef because the tide charts were misread. The Marine’s walked a mile in chest high water to the shore. Sitting ducks.
My prediction….. she will be promoted….. given awards ….. and honored at some big shindig with everyone Ohhhh and Ahhhhh’ing
So nice to have a face to go with the name.
You have a sweet contenance.
(and nice looking friends too!)
Is that your wife in the front? BTW, how’s her leg doing?
I thought the following was hysterical. While the rest of us are honoring the war dead, this family is celebrating something much different! LOL
http://www.okcreative.com/blog…..use/?p=191
Sorry, I needed a good chuckle. Days like today are always somber and a quick pick me up is needed. ;-)
I know…..
I was 23-24yrs….. Thanksgiving and we made big pitchers of whiskey sours and after a couple….. Dad pulled out the books he kept hidden and really talked about it….. but used his academic professor person and talked about logistics and movements……. nurse daughter was asking the questions he didn’t want to answer….. Then he gave me the book by Leon Uris called Battle Cry…. Uris was in a unit across the camp in New Zealand where they staged prior to the battle. That told me everything I really did and didn’t want to know…
Her bio states she’s the former New York bureau chief for the Washington Times and is a contributor to Faux News. Nothing to fire her from but they could just not ever call on her again and hope the whole thing fades away. That way they can do the crickets routine, never having to address the issue. Evade or lie, the only way they do responsibility.
Wonder if that means she is a freelancer or an actual employee….. In sports Teevee……a few are actual employees of the network such as producer & director but the talent and all the other back stage people are contract labor or freelancers…
If she is a freelancer then they just would never call her and schedule her… yes then it is crickets in its own way……
dragging feet…. going back to finish the last of the attic insulation job…
Here’s the suggestion I left over on the Fox News site (link to it on Marcy’s post above on her blog) about Liz Trotta:
That’s some serious flotation gear on that little angel.
Welcome back, Christy. I hope it was WONDERFUL!
:)
I want to listen to the clip a few more times, but the last part does seem to fall into the threat category, which makes the Secret Service very nervous. I’m seriously thinking of forwarding the clip to the SS. No, not the Schutzstaffel.
LOL Never can be too protective of our children! She probably hit the water, skimmed across it, and landed next to her Dad who took the picture because of all that flotation gear. ;-)
Good times this family is having today. At least they’re honest about it.
“No, not the Schutzstaffel.”
It didn’t even cross my mind. LOL
I have a site-related question.
Do all of the sister-brother sites linkable at the top of the page have the same rules of engagement, moderators following each thread as the FDL link?
I realize that some commenters are more attracted to the different “authors” than others, and that is understandable, but I sometimes wonder if they are moderated in the same way.
I appreciate the answer, in advance.
1,853 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND…
Citizen Raven:
I am rememberin’ the five GI’s left from a recon squad…they spent 3 dayz and 2 nights in a wine cellar on one of the side streets of Melun, France. Staunching’ the wounds of their point man, usin up all the dressing kits and sulfa and then uncorkin’ bottles of some very sweet French wine to anesthetize their comrade as Waffen SS boots scampered back and forth past the garden level windows. The third afternoon, their outfit managed to pontoon the bridge that was blown shortly after the recon squad crossed that little bend in the Seine.
The squad was relieved and the wounded soldier evacuated to England for 3 months of botched surgeries to return home with Bronze and Silver Stars, a Purple Heart and a life long case of osteomyelitis but he missed bein’ with his buddies when they partook of the relief of Bastone at the Battle of the Bulge…and he never forgave himself survivin’ at Melun when 3 of the remainin’ four comrades didn’t survive the Bulge. That GI was my father.
There is no victory from war, only wisdom and memory and the wisdom dies to be replaced by hubris when the memories fade.
KEEP THE FAITH BROTHERS AND SISTERS, WE’RE BEIN’ CALLED OUT!!
I guess it’s late enough in this thread for an anti-war song. Whenever & wherever there are wars, there have been anti-war songs; this one’s from 1914. H/T to masaccio yesterday for posting it in a response to me over @ ew:
I Didn’t Raise My Boy To Be A Soldier- The Peerless Quartet, 78 rpm recorded in Dec. 1914
Lyrics-
Ten million soldiers to the war have gone,
Who may never return again.
Ten million mother’s hearts must break
For the ones who died in vain.
Head bowed down in sorrow
In her lonely years,
I heard a mother murmur thro’ her tears:
“I didn’t raise my boy to be a soldier,
I brought him up to be my pride and joy,
Who dares to place a musket on his shoulder,
To shoot some other mother’s darling boy?
Let nations arbitrate their future troubles,
It’s time to lay the sword and gun away,
There’d be no war today,
If mother’s all would say,
“I didn’t raise my boy to be a soldier.”
What victory can cheer a mother’s heart,
When she looks at her blighted home?
What victory can bring her back
All she cared to call her own.
Let each mother answer
In the years to be,
Remember that my boy belongs to me!
A Pox on the Lou Dobbs of the world
Thank you for the sobering perspective.
Memorial Day. To remember and to feel today. To link past with present and future.
Pharmaceutical unmonitored profiteering. Minimization by our country and government of the profound trauma both physical and psychological on our service people.
Watched Recount last night. Where have all the ethics gone? Long time passing….. A partisan Supreme Court. Trickle down amorality.
Loyalty to partisan community… at the cost of the common good. Dedication to $$$ at the cost of the common good. Shallow values. Gang-mentality bonding.
Awareness … sustained awareness … is key. Empathy and courage is required. The counter-culture is growing. Thanks for enhancing the awareness.
Pretty late but no, that is the nurse who was at Phu Bai.