Several years ago my son called me one day to say I had to read an article that he found really frightening and important. Since I tend to pay attention when he points me towards things (thus discovering the films Brazil and Pi and the joys of science fiction) I read – and shared his concern. That article was Jeff Sharlet’s piece Jesus plus nothing: Undercover among America's Secret Theocrats in the March 2003 Harpers. Digby more recently has called it:
to this day one of the more chilling articles I've ever read about the intersection of politics and religion in this country. The facts in the article are true but they are so bizarre that I think people discounted it because it's almost impossible to believe.
This week, Jeff Sharlet’s book on The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power was published – and it is even more chilling – and more important.
Jeff is a contributing editor for Harpers and Rolling Stone and a founder of the recently retired Killing the Buddha and co-author of the book by the same name. His insatiable curiosity combines with a respect and appreciation of spiritual journeys in writing that never shies away from the hard truths yet never denigrates the believer.
Jesus plus nothing was an account of the time Jeff spent at Ivanwald, one of the houses in Washington DC run by the “Fellowship” where he was welcomed into their prayer community. His new book takes us beyond his stay to explore the historical roots of the Fellowship in the early American Awakening of the 1730s and the breadth of power the Fellowship has acquired.
The Fellowship is often called a “stealth church” and only catches the public eye once a year during the National Prayer Breakfasts which it hosts. Its leader, Doug Coe is described by Time magazine’s February 8, 2008 issue as one of The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America. These events – which use the trappings of the Presidential office and congress – are seen by outsiders as rather “bland” civic religion, stripped of denominational involvement (though at least one Jewish leader has commented on his surprise at the Christian focus given the setting). As Sharlet reports, the Prayer Breakfast movement is the one public face to a much deeper and more secretive organization.
While the Prayer Breakfasts are “nondenominational,” Coe and the Fellowship have a very specific goal. Sharlet describes it in his 2006 article God's Senator on Sen Brownback as follows:
They were striving, ultimately, for what Coe calls "Jesus plus nothing" -- a government led by Christ's will alone. In the future envisioned by Coe, everything -- sex and taxes, war and the price of oil -- will be decided upon not according to democracy or the church or even Scripture. The Bible itself is for the masses; in the Fellowship, Christ reveals a higher set of commands to the anointed few. It's a good old boy's club blessed by God.
Founded in 1935 by Abraham Vereide, an anticommunist, antilabor crusader who saw evangelical fervor as the ideal organizing principle for defeating socialists, the organization is now headed by David Coe who is frequently described as “God’s Ambassador” by members of congress, the Pentagon and others in power.
And the number of those in power involved with the Fellowship is truly astonishing. Beginning with the election of President Eisenhower, members of the Fellowship have never been far from the centers of power. Ambassadors, generals, cabinet members and members of Congress all participate in a web of loyalty carefully nurtured by Coe and the Fellowship. As Sharlet quotes Rev Rob Schenk of Faith and Action’s description of the group’s methods:
The big Christian lobbying groups push and shout; the Family simply surrounds politicians with prayer cells. They don’t try to convert anyone. They don’t ask for anything. They’re as patient as a glacier. … Coe doesn’t demand doctrinal loyalty only a willingness to do business behind the scenes, and liberals are free to join him in the back room.
From the powerful we oppose like Sen. Brownback to those we proclaim our best allies like Al Gore, politicians and corporate leaders have met within this network of prayer groups and fellowship. The levels of involvement vary, the interplay of friendship and policy is hard to dissect. Yet this grand collaboration has played out in support for dictators and strongmen around the world – Suharto, Siad Barre of Somalia, the Phillipines' Marcos and so many more. The alliances formed in the “private” realm of prayer and faith underpin a global “submerged” movement through which Coe and his elite followers move towards a world ruled by Jesus plus nothing at the hands of strong men with no accountability to any outside the network. As Sharlet notes:
Jesus plus nothing equals power, “invisible” power, the long, slow, building power of a few brothers and sisters.
The Fellowship has not gone completely unnoticed over the years. In 1974, Time Magazine identified it as “The God Network in Washington DC”:
The [Gerald] Ford group is only one of an intricate web of groups and individuals—almost an underground network—stretching well across religious and political boundaries, all of them part of a small but growing spiritual renaissance in Washington. It involves both those who have been hoisted to power through Watergate and those who were toppled by it.
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One thoughtful supporter of the fellowship wonders whether it is too neutral on political questions. "Doug never raises issues," observes Wesley Michaelson, Hatfield's legislative assistant. "The latent assumption is that the solution to political problems is to get people converted and committed to each other. [But] overseas some of the fellowship people are the same generals who carry out martial law." Still, Michaelson concedes that Coe's personal, uncritical ministry has made him "the real chaplain of the House and Senate."
In the intervening years, Coe’s stealth strategy has worked and aside from a 2002 report in the L A Times it was not until Jeff’s reporting that the Fellowship’s power began to be fully exposed. While Jeff’s article last fall on Senator Clinton’s involvement with the Fellowship created a stir, the much broader and more essential story of the the Fellowship's role in the most powerful circles of US government is the important story here. The Family tells that story and is critical reading for everyone who wants to understand the challenge we face in taking back our government.
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Jeff, Welcome to the Lake.
Welcome, Jeff!
Welcome to FDL Jeff.
Welcome Jeff - your book is not only important, it’s a really fascinating read!
Jeff will be with us momentarily - getting settled in.
Siun, what was your favorite chapter in the book?
Hey folks — memorial day traffic slowed me down but I’m here and excited to talk with you. Thanks for that great intro!
Wow. So the Moonies and the Pat Robertson types and the Scientologists are all following the blueprint first drawn up by Abraham Vereide and currently maintained by Doug Coe?
I have to pick!? I am fascinated by Jeff’s accounts of his experiences at Ivanwald, but also his discussion of the Fellowship’s involvement with Suharto,etc and their lack of “accountability” for such actions.
To a certain extent, they’re all — Vereide included, back in the day — responding to a belief among elite evangelical conservatives that democracy had run its course, that we were entering what Vereide called — with approval — “the age of minority control.”
What a book!
As I read through it, I was struck again and again at the male-ness of The Family. From your personal experiences at segregated Ivanwald to the descriptions of Coe having to deal with the women who were going through “feminine hysteria” after the publication of Kinsey’s Sexual Behavior in the Human Female to so much more, I kept wondering how Coe and his “key men” deal with women in leadership positions — not women who are the wives of powerful men, but women who wield power in their own right.
Any insights you want to share?
Welcome aboard Jeff … and thanks for visiting with us.
It’s so interesting to get a view from the inside of the Fellowship - and I’m wondering how you feel about those experiences now, looking back. You were in many ways invited to join that “minority control” yet didn’t buy it.
Its leader, Doug Coe is described by Time magazine’s February 8, 2008 issue as one of The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America.
due to a personal bias steeped in secular humanism, the most disturbing aspect to me is that there are twenty-five influential evangelicals in America, period.
Pat Robertson is a special case — as I discovered in The Family’s archives at the Billy Graham Center, his father, Dixiecrat Virginia Senator Absalom Willis Robertson, was a leader of the organization in the 1950s. Vereide assigned one of his field reps, Harald Bredesen, to bring young Pat along. But both Bredesen and Pat became to “charismatic” — in the religious sense of the word - for The Family’s upper class tastes.
So how does the family fit into the whole Christian Zionism movement of the Hagees and other right wing Christian ministers?
Souds like the “Royalists” chased out of the US have found their way back.
Hey Peterr … so glad you highlighted that … great question and one I wondered about as well.
Welcome, this is an absolutely fascinating book. I too was struck by the male power.
Also I should ask is this a sort of Opus Dei for non-Catholics?
That’s a great question. The Family believes in what conservative evangelicals call “male headship” — you can guess what that’s all about — but they love power most of all, and they’re willing to treat a select few powerful women with the respect they usually reserve for male leaders. It’s almost like there’s a third gender in their worldview — we might call it Thatcherite.
Good afternoon, Jeff. You write like a novelist, as should be with this long and complicated story.
I am very interested in the Family’s connections to Germany. Even our system of schooling - private schools with a different curriculum for the elite, mass schooling for the masses - comes modified from Germany. The authoritarian bent of the Family is a good fit.
This morning I read an interview with David Iglesias, the fired AUSA. He mentions he was surprised to find that Karl Rove was agnostic, considering how he used the Christian base to win elections. Is Rove Family or a friend of the Family?
Welcome to FireDogLake, Jeff. Great introduction, Siun.
Can you tell us how you were accepted into Ivanwald? Did you adopt a secret identity or did you go in as “yourself?” One would think an organization like The Family would work hard to keep out those who would later write about it, fearing any expose’ would hurt those who belong.
And do people actually “belong?” Does everyone adhere to Coe’s views? Or does Coe use his access to the powerful to gain further access and push his crazy ideas?
Thanks for chatting today!
Originally, The Family were anti-semites. Before and during the war, they were close with a leading anti-Semite named Merwin Hart. After, they were instrumental in whitewashing the records of former Nazis to make them acceptable in postwar politics — chief among these was Hermann J. Abs, outed decades later by the Simon Wiesenthal Center as “Hitler’s Banker.” So they weren’t exactly Christian Zionists, and since they don’t buy into that rapture culture, they’re not as interested in Israel. But many of their members, such as Sam Brownback, have pushed them in that direction. Bruce Wilson, the blogger who discovered teh Hagee sermon, is working on a video about the connections.
After recently watching Richard Viguerie several times this week whining about how the Republican party ruined Conservatism; I was wondering where, if anywhere, does his conservative movement fit in with The Family?
Love of power clearly comes through in the book. That, and a love of hierarchical structures to mediate and use that power. With Coe and his Key Men at the top, of course.
That’s a great insight, Mommybrain. Chapter 6 of the book, “The Ministry of Proper Enlightenment,” is dedicated to The Family’s relationships to German conservatives and German fascists. I argue that what they took from postwar Germany — and what they infused conservative American evangelicalism with — was an emphasis on forgetting one’s own sins. Not forgiving — that’s admirable, of course — but erasing the past to serve the powerful fo the present.
BTW Jeff, we ask a lot of questions … but we’re patient about getting answers so don’t worry about the rush ;->
Teddy — in the first chapter, I describe how I was recruited into The Family through the brother of a friend. I’d known him for twelve years, so he knew who I was. They’re so used to going unchallenged that they can scarcely imagine someone in their circles holding them accountable. I was there under my own name, as myself.
And yes, some people “belong,” while others are merely associated. Only the Core is exposed to the full thrust of COe’s views, tho some of the more unsavory aspects — the reverence for strongmen like Hitler nad Mao — are pervasive.
That facet of the Family is perhaps the most frightening … that no action, no matter how brutal or evil, is even apparently noticed. If you belong or are a “brother” you can murder 100s of thousands but no harm, no foul with the Fellowship crew.
That’s a good question. I dedicate chapter 8 of the book to looking at the early stages of the modern conservative movement and how it interacted with The Family. There was a point at which guys like Viguerie were actually a thorn in their side — The Family is always about establishment power — but the various conservatisms had converged by the 80s.
In response to somebody’s q about Rove — not that I know of. Kinda like Nixon — Chuck Colson tried to recruit him but altho Nix saw the utility of The Family and had regular memos on it produced for him, he was never enough of a beleiver to get in himself.
Ah — they were a little too showy and blatant and too prone to giving the game away. Which would explain why Doug Coe is still quietly powerful and Robertson is nothing now.
How does this crew intersect with the Moonies? I thought Moon required complete fealty to his view of himself as Savior. So how can GHWB, as well as many Senators, honor Moon and be members of the Family also?
That’s not a bad analogy — and both began at the same time in 1930s, as religious third ways between fascism and democracy. General Franco of Spain, closely linked w/ Opus Dei, resisted The Family’s approach until the 1970s — he saw it for what it was, a protestant project — but thru Opus Dei they made peace and several Opus Dei ministers from Franco’s gov’t began attending the US national prayer breakfast. More recently there’s the strange case of Sam Brownback, who made his career thru the Family and then converted to Catholicism thru Opus Dei. I tell his story in chapter 9 — he strangely gave me full access.
What an amazing piece of fortune for you to have access to these archives that, from your description, having been mouldering for a long time without editing or censorship. What has been the reaction of the Family to this book? Do you think they regret your access?
BTW, the forgetting one’s own sins part is one of the things I observe and dislike in modern fundamentalism. Anything for God is a great justification, isn’t it?
(I have a million questions, sorry)
Where does Moon fit into the Family? Since he considers himself the successor to a failed Christ, does he fit in at all?
The elitism of the Family is quite something … their disdain or lack of interest in the mass popular evengelical movements comes through a lot in the book. Do they influence those other movements or even care about them?
So Chuck Colson comes by his mixing of religion and politics honestly, as it were? A lot of people thought that his religious conversion was a fake. Was it just The Family’s choosing to preserve a useful asset (Colson) by using him to take down a failed tool who was never on board with them anyway?
Welcome, Jeff. Great to have you here today. That’s so odd about Brownback. Why do you think he cooperated?
The Moonies are definitely trouble, as John Gorenfeld has shown us, but altho Moon wants to believe in absolute loyalty, anyone who’s ever spent time w/ the pols in his orbit knows that they’re using him as much as he’s using them. They have similar political views, not similar religious views. Likewise, a lot of pols use the Family — and the Family knows this. As one member expalined, “I’d rather let in a pack of wolves then lose one sheep.” So far, they’re doing great with the wolves. Still waiting on the sheep.
That’s a great question. I argue yes. A great example: In chapter 11 of the book, I go to Ted Haggard’s New Life megachurch. Populist fundamentalism at its most powerful. ANd what’s he most concerned w/? “Free markets.” That’s trickle down religion from the longstanding concerns of elite fundamentalism.
Populist and elite fundamentalism are two parallel movements, influencing each other. But the drive toward empire comes from the top, the elites.
So is Brownback still part of the Family even though he’s in the Pope’s crew now?
It was strange — he wanted Rolling Stone for his presidential bid. I was sitting in his office w/ his press secretary, arguing that he should let me go to church in Topeka w/ Brownabck. no dice. Then another reporter — a liberal, as it happens, simply interested in protecting turf — emailed the press sec my original harper’s article on the family. I thought I’d be escorted out. Instead, Brownback decied to invite me to Topeka. I actually think he thought he could win me back — he’d call me up at 11 at night to talk about “spiritual thing.s”
Jeff, toward the end of the book, you describe a meeting with David Kuo (of Bush’s “Office of Faith Based Initiatives” fame). He told you that Coe had entered semi-retirement and “stepping up to replace him was a man named Dick Foth, a longtime advisor to John Ashcroft.”
I’ve been looking around to find out more about Foth, and he seems to be as secretive as Coe. He’s been a lifelong friend of Ashcroft’s, and speaks at various events and conferences. The publicity around his appearances often describes him like this: “Foth is a spiritual adviser to a number of political figures in Washington, D.C. and is a popular speaker in the areas of leadership, relationships and communication.”
Sounds right up the Family’s alley. What else do you know of Foth that you could share with us?
Honestly, yes. Decently, no. In his memoir Born Again he describes that literally the day after he joined the Family he learned they were a “veritable underground of God’s men all through Washington,” and that former enemies now volunteered to help him. One such was Democratic Senator Harold Hughes, a decent but not bright man who made a great beard for the Family’s conservative program.
There was an old Nixon story of him meeting Mormon elders in Salt Lake. Going up the steps he turned to an aide and said something like: You’re going to hear me say a lot of things in there and I just want you to know it’s all shit.
For me, that was always Nixon in a nutshell.
How does Hilary fit into all this? Is she, too, a front?
Not as much as I’d like, unfortunately. That last chapter was added in right at the end. This past November, Foth invited me to a meeting at a diner in Northern Virginia. I couldn’t attend. He said they had trust issues with me. But then, I wasn’t the one asking for him to show up alone with no recording devices. It sounds scarier — or sillier — than it realy was. Foth wasn’t going to Hoffa me — he was going to try to convince me of The Family’s good intentions.
When NBC Nightly News contacted Foth for the segment they did on the book, he denied that there was any org at all. When NBC counteredt that they’d read The Famuly’s tax recoerds, he just chucjled and conceded the point.
Hillary is not a front or a member. She’s been associated, by her own account, since 1993, when Coe, whom she refers to as a “genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide,” organized a prayer group of conservative women for her. They share a belief in top down religion and the rule of elites, as well as fundamental comfort level with the imperial view of American power.
I try to spell it out in a recent New Republic article:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/st.....294f9087b1
I didn’t read the book, but I did read the Harper’s article.
The game called “Bump” designed it seems to deal with anger, actually is not a bad idea. I find similar suggestions in Anthony De Mellos’s work, because if you cannot clear your “programming” of which anger is one component, reality will not be seen with clarity.
OTOH, The Family seems to go the opposite way,on things like leadership, suggesting that while Bump may clear that which anger causes a block, they wish to substitute their own version of “Proper Programming”
Strange, but in the 70’s, there was and may still be a alternative life style called “The Family” here in Oregon, the antithesis of the Family to which you address. I spent some time with them.
I’m an ordained pastor (Lutheran), with many friends in the Catholic church, and I’ve never heard of someone having to get permission from a lay member of a parish to attend mass — let alone arguments about getting that permission.
Were you asking to attend a private, prayer-group meeting with Brownback?
Yes. The way The Family looks on other religions is almost like hobbies. So, for instance, they’d say that although I’m Jewish, I could be a follower of jesus. And altho Brownback is Catholic, he can be a follower of Jesus, too. The anti-catholicism is strong, but it extends even to protestatnism — they’re just not that impressed by any formal faith.
Will your book blow this wide open or are you getting pushed back or pushed under? Is there widespread MSM interest or would they rather avoid the subject?
That’s a matter of respect. I wouldn’t go barging in on someone else’s church experience — especially if I wanted that person to keep answering my questions. I was asking if I could attend church w/ Brownback. He attends an early morning mass and then a service at Topeka Bible, a fundamentalist evangelical church. He said he didn’t want me going to mass, but I did attend Topeka Bible with him and his family. I was amazed at how openly anti-Semitic was, given Brownback’s vocal Christian Zionism. The pastor referred to Jews as “poisoners.”
This is getting confusing. Ashcroft worked Kay Cole James of Pat Robertson’s Regents University to fill Justice’s ranks with Monica Goodling/Rachel Paulose types. Now Kyle Sampson the other half of this dynamic duo was Mormon as far as I know. But the Robertson connection would explain a lot.
Groups like the Family are the reason we can’t dismiss all conspiracy theories out of hand. Is the Bilderberg GRoup related in any way?
Well, I’m on Firedoglake! Seriously, this is a problem w/ MSM. In 2002, Lisa Getter, a Pulitzer winning investigative reporter, published a long expose in the LA Times. No follow up. In 2003, I published in Harper’s. No follow up. This spring, NBC Nightly News did a great segment, thinking they had a scoop — no follow up. More recently, Time.com did a lengthy interview w/ me then killed it because they decided that harper’s and Rolling stone, where I’d originally published some of this, weren’t credible.
The problem isn’t any kind of conspriacy, it’s media illiteracy. The press can’t “see” The Family because they don’t look like fundamentalists are supposed to look like. They’re sophisticated, polished, internationalist, polite. They’re not HAgee or Robertson. Progressives need to educate the press and demand that they ask the tough questions. Remember all those profiles of AShscroft’s prayer sessions when he became attorney general? Nobody bothered to ask him detailed q’s. Had they done so, I think he actually would have been forthcoming about The Familuy.
In what important way does this group differ from other organizations; Skull&Bones, Mason, Knights of Columbus and such.
And you mention how they were the same with Muslim leaders in Indonesia for example … faith as we normally think of it becomes irrelevant if you become part of the network it seems?
I can certainly understand your desire not to “barge in” on someone else’s church, but I wonder what Brownback’s priest would think of the Senator discouraging — let alone forbidding — anyone from attending Mass.
kinda like the Masonic Protocols of the Zion Illuminati Elders ;)
Nope. I actually do dismiss all conspiracy theories. The Family isn’t a conspiracy itself — they’re not breaking the laws, they’re making the laws. The problem isn’t that they’re breaking rules, it’s that they’re making a case for a conservative, imperial ideology that too many politicians find appealing. We fight back not by crying conspiracy but by presenting a better vision. Which is what communities like FDL are all about!
That’s it exactly. The common denominator is power, not theological orthodoxy.
If you are looking at John Ascroft and Foth, you will also have to look at Ashcroft’s heavy association with the Assemblies of God church and other groups that are equally heavily associated with AOG: Amway, the Amway founder Rich DeVos and his family(and associated families and organizations such as Blackwater(Eric Prince is Rich Devos’ son-in-law), the Devos Family foundations etc. etc.
Those groups are mainly social networks without explicit ideological agendas. The Family is in the service of a specific theology of power.
Jeff, I bought your book last weekend, but this week was so busy I’ve not had the time to read it. I apologize if you have answere ths question in the book. From reading your comment, I’m really puzzled about the Family’s theology. If they’re not that impressed by any formal faith, how do they figure out their own theology?
I read your Harper’s Article. It was exquisitely written.
per Toby, is Eric Prince part of the Family?
Why does this not surprise me? It’s makes for an interesting perspective though on the whole Clinton identification with the working class she was trying to pull off in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky.
For Time, Harper’s isn’t credible?
I think I just wnet through the looking-glass….
That’s a great q. In chapter four and five, I write about the origins of their theology as a response to the Great Depression. The Founder, Vereide, concluded that Christianity had erred by concerning itself with the poor, the weak, the down and out; instead, he believed — accroding to a vision God gave him — he should minister to the “up and out” — the powerful men who could make things better for everyone. He called this The Idea, in caps, and it’s really the only one he ever had. Focus on the powerful, according to Romans 13: The powers that be are ordained of God.
One of the first things that struck me about your book, Jeff, is the documentation: 40 pages of endnotes! Somehow, if someone is going to question your credibility here, they’re going to have to do a lot of work to make it stick.
(Of course, Harpers and Rolling Stone aren’t exactly publications that want lots of footnotes, so perhaps that explains some of Time’s reticence.)
I was indoctrinated into the KofC many years ago. It’s ideology scared me silly and I left.
But then, I was only 21!
Thanks! I had a great editor.
Christ-free Christianity. How convenient for the “up and out”.
Time had the book, w/ the endnotes. It’s pretty frustrating, especially when compared w/ the foreign press. Best example is, of all places, Norway, which elected a social conservative gov’t a few years ago. Reporters noticed their leaders jetting off to prayer breakfasts on the public dime and followed the money back to the US — the Cedars, the Family’s hq in Arlington. They put the Family connection on the front page for two weeks straight, and contributed to the downfall of that gov’t. That’s a press that knows how to speak truth to power, instead of speaking for the powerful.
like,
big time negotiators, false healers and women haters,
masters of the bluff and masters of the proposition.
The enemy I see wears a cloak of decency,all non believers and men stealers, talking in the name of religion?
Not that I know of. I have complete membership lists up until the late 80s, when the archive ended. After that, I had to rely on interviews that could be double sourced. So my lists of those involved are much shorter.
As opposed to the down and out, like the lepers, outcasts, and hoi polloi that Jesus hung out with.
Christ-free Christianity sums it up well. I’m going to have to remember that one.
It is discouraging, though, to realize there is yet another power circle from which we are excluded. If this crew views faith as a hobby, and membership in their own gang as paramount, what allegiance do their members actually have to the tenets of our country, for instance?
Sometimes I think the Constitution is for rubes.
Fabu!
Toss out the Sermon on the Mount, for sure. Pesky thing.
Probably just a coincidence but this sounds a lot like the little I know of the Gnosticism and the Gnostic Gospels.
The Family has received some DeVos money over the years, but that relationship began in the late 80s, when the archive runs out. There’s probably more there, but it awaits another reporter or scholar! One of the things I most wanted to accomplish with this book was to get other people on the job. That happened w/ the Norwegian example above, and now there are at least three dissretations looking at parts of The Family’s history. A McClatchy reporter is investigating some of the politicians on her beat. That’s how it should work!
Seconded. And most disconcerting.
I was stunned to see the Time article from ‘72 … then silence until your work and the LAT.
Indeed, at a National Prayer Breakfast in the late 60s, a retired Marine general gave a speech noting that Christ said some “crazy things, too,” like The Sermon on the Mount.
Then Time has no excuse.
When your second note on those 40 pages is a reference to THE foundational text on fundamentalist movements (Martin Marty’s “Fundamentalisms Observed” from his mammoth Fundamentalism Project), that says something about the seriousness with which you were approaching your subject.
Jeff, would you describe the Family as Dominionists?
I seem to recall that as the Church organized around the writings of the gospel writers, Jesus wasn’t yet seen as God, but as time went on, dealing with Jesus became messy and difficult, so they kicked him upstairs, so to speak.
don’t forget the beautitudes
Exactly. There are a few other items — Playboy actually did a good investigation in the early 70s, noting some of the funny money The Family had sent Senator Mark Hatfield’s way. And a NYT MAgazine article on prayer noted that Ford’s congressional prayer cell had reconvened to ponder Nixon’s pardon. Of course, the cell was all Republican, including Nixon’s defense sec, Melvin Laird. Conclusion: Pardon! This should have been big news, but since it came under the heading of “relgion,” the political press ignored it.
Yes. Absolutely. They predate Rushdoony — they’re the original dominionists.
Yep, and by Jesus being God, no embarrassing explanation is needed.
are you thinking the discovery of the Gnostic Gospels influenced them? or are you thinking pre-Gospels gnosticism?
Of course, this is speculative, but could you hazard any guess of what he (or other senior members of the Family in high public office) would have provided by way of answers?
I guess what I’m really wondering is: how do they wish to be seen by the national press?
thirded!
Thanks. Yeah, it’s a little strange to get dismissed like that. I’m an associate research scholar at NYU’s Center for Religion and Media, and I included a semi-scholarly apparatus in the book. The problem here is one of a necessary paradigm shift.
Anyone Spotlighted this yet?
Why does the Family’s archive end in the eighties?
The Nag Hammadi discoveries came after the founding of the Fellowship … but there is a definitely gnostic tone to their belief in some ways I think. (been many years since I studied in that playground)
Sure. The same answers Senator Sam Brownback, Senator Mark Pryor (conservative Dem), and Representative Frank Wolf gave me — this is a private off the record association of men who wish to help each other get closer to God. ASk about Coe, adn you’ll get only praise.
But they won’t volunteer it. Generally, they don’t wish to be seen by the national press at all. They lied to NBC News, and they lied to LA Times. I was living w/ them when The LAT’s Lisa Getter came around. They convened a special prayer session to pray for god to wipe out evil from the heart of journalism.
Wow! now that’s a prayer we might join but for very different reasons!