Several years ago my son called me one day to say I had to read an article that he found really frightening and important. Since I tend to pay attention when he points me towards things (thus discovering the films Brazil and Pi and the joys of science fiction) I read – and shared his concern. That article was Jeff Sharlet’s piece Jesus plus nothing: Undercover among America’s Secret Theocrats in the March 2003 Harpers. Digby more recently has called it:
to this day one of the more chilling articles I’ve ever read about the intersection of politics and religion in this country. The facts in the article are true but they are so bizarre that I think people discounted it because it’s almost impossible to believe.
This week, Jeff Sharlet’s book on The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power was published – and it is even more chilling – and more important.
Jeff is a contributing editor for Harpers and Rolling Stone and a founder of the recently retired Killing the Buddha and co-author of the book by the same name. His insatiable curiosity combines with a respect and appreciation of spiritual journeys in writing that never shies away from the hard truths yet never denigrates the believer.
Jesus plus nothing was an account of the time Jeff spent at Ivanwald, one of the houses in Washington DC run by the “Fellowship” where he was welcomed into their prayer community. His new book takes us beyond his stay to explore the historical roots of the Fellowship in the early American Awakening of the 1730s and the breadth of power the Fellowship has acquired.
The Fellowship is often called a “stealth church” and only catches the public eye once a year during the National Prayer Breakfasts which it hosts. Its leader, Doug Coe is described by Time magazine’s February 8, 2008 issue as one of The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America. These events – which use the trappings of the Presidential office and congress – are seen by outsiders as rather “bland” civic religion, stripped of denominational involvement (though at least one Jewish leader has commented on his surprise at the Christian focus given the setting). As Sharlet reports, the Prayer Breakfast movement is the one public face to a much deeper and more secretive organization.
While the Prayer Breakfasts are “nondenominational,” Coe and the Fellowship have a very specific goal. Sharlet describes it in his 2006 article God’s Senator on Sen Brownback as follows:
They were striving, ultimately, for what Coe calls "Jesus plus nothing" — a government led by Christ’s will alone. In the future envisioned by Coe, everything — sex and taxes, war and the price of oil — will be decided upon not according to democracy or the church or even Scripture. The Bible itself is for the masses; in the Fellowship, Christ reveals a higher set of commands to the anointed few. It’s a good old boy’s club blessed by God.
Founded in 1935 by Abraham Vereide, an anticommunist, antilabor crusader who saw evangelical fervor as the ideal organizing principle for defeating socialists, the organization is now headed by David Coe who is frequently described as “God’s Ambassador” by members of congress, the Pentagon and others in power.
And the number of those in power involved with the Fellowship is truly astonishing. Beginning with the election of President Eisenhower, members of the Fellowship have never been far from the centers of power. Ambassadors, generals, cabinet members and members of Congress all participate in a web of loyalty carefully nurtured by Coe and the Fellowship. As Sharlet quotes Rev Rob Schenk of Faith and Action’s description of the group’s methods:
The big Christian lobbying groups push and shout; the Family simply surrounds politicians with prayer cells. They don’t try to convert anyone. They don’t ask for anything. They’re as patient as a glacier. … Coe doesn’t demand doctrinal loyalty only a willingness to do business behind the scenes, and liberals are free to join him in the back room.
From the powerful we oppose like Sen. Brownback to those we proclaim our best allies like Al Gore, politicians and corporate leaders have met within this network of prayer groups and fellowship. The levels of involvement vary, the interplay of friendship and policy is hard to dissect. Yet this grand collaboration has played out in support for dictators and strongmen around the world – Suharto, Siad Barre of Somalia, the Phillipines’ Marcos and so many more. The alliances formed in the “private” realm of prayer and faith underpin a global “submerged” movement through which Coe and his elite followers move towards a world ruled by Jesus plus nothing at the hands of strong men with no accountability to any outside the network. As Sharlet notes:
Jesus plus nothing equals power, “invisible” power, the long, slow, building power of a few brothers and sisters.
The Fellowship has not gone completely unnoticed over the years. In 1974, Time Magazine identified it as “The God Network in Washington DC”:
The [Gerald] Ford group is only one of an intricate web of groups and individuals—almost an underground network—stretching well across religious and political boundaries, all of them part of a small but growing spiritual renaissance in Washington. It involves both those who have been hoisted to power through Watergate and those who were toppled by it.
(snip)
One thoughtful supporter of the fellowship wonders whether it is too neutral on political questions. "Doug never raises issues," observes Wesley Michaelson, Hatfield’s legislative assistant. "The latent assumption is that the solution to political problems is to get people converted and committed to each other. [But] overseas some of the fellowship people are the same generals who carry out martial law." Still, Michaelson concedes that Coe’s personal, uncritical ministry has made him "the real chaplain of the House and Senate."
In the intervening years, Coe’s stealth strategy has worked and aside from a 2002 report in the L A Times it was not until Jeff’s reporting that the Fellowship’s power began to be fully exposed. While Jeff’s article last fall on Senator Clinton’s involvement with the Fellowship created a stir, the much broader and more essential story of the the Fellowship’s role in the most powerful circles of US government is the important story here. The Family tells that story and is critical reading for everyone who wants to understand the challenge we face in taking back our government.
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Jeff, Welcome to the Lake.
Welcome, Jeff!
Welcome to FDL Jeff.
Welcome Jeff – your book is not only important, it’s a really fascinating read!
Jeff will be with us momentarily – getting settled in.
Siun, what was your favorite chapter in the book?
Hey folks — memorial day traffic slowed me down but I’m here and excited to talk with you. Thanks for that great intro!
Wow. So the Moonies and the Pat Robertson types and the Scientologists are all following the blueprint first drawn up by Abraham Vereide and currently maintained by Doug Coe?
I have to pick!? I am fascinated by Jeff’s accounts of his experiences at Ivanwald, but also his discussion of the Fellowship’s involvement with Suharto,etc and their lack of “accountability” for such actions.
To a certain extent, they’re all — Vereide included, back in the day — responding to a belief among elite evangelical conservatives that democracy had run its course, that we were entering what Vereide called — with approval — “the age of minority control.”
What a book!
As I read through it, I was struck again and again at the male-ness of The Family. From your personal experiences at segregated Ivanwald to the descriptions of Coe having to deal with the women who were going through “feminine hysteria” after the publication of Kinsey’s Sexual Behavior in the Human Female to so much more, I kept wondering how Coe and his “key men” deal with women in leadership positions — not women who are the wives of powerful men, but women who wield power in their own right.
Any insights you want to share?
Welcome aboard Jeff … and thanks for visiting with us.
It’s so interesting to get a view from the inside of the Fellowship – and I’m wondering how you feel about those experiences now, looking back. You were in many ways invited to join that “minority control” yet didn’t buy it.
Its leader, Doug Coe is described by Time magazine’s February 8, 2008 issue as one of The 25 Most Influential Evangelicals in America.
due to a personal bias steeped in secular humanism, the most disturbing aspect to me is that there are twenty-five influential evangelicals in America, period.
Pat Robertson is a special case — as I discovered in The Family’s archives at the Billy Graham Center, his father, Dixiecrat Virginia Senator Absalom Willis Robertson, was a leader of the organization in the 1950s. Vereide assigned one of his field reps, Harald Bredesen, to bring young Pat along. But both Bredesen and Pat became to “charismatic” — in the religious sense of the word – for The Family’s upper class tastes.
So how does the family fit into the whole Christian Zionism movement of the Hagees and other right wing Christian ministers?
Souds like the “Royalists” chased out of the US have found their way back.
Hey Peterr … so glad you highlighted that … great question and one I wondered about as well.
Welcome, this is an absolutely fascinating book. I too was struck by the male power.
Also I should ask is this a sort of Opus Dei for non-Catholics?
That’s a great question. The Family believes in what conservative evangelicals call “male headship” — you can guess what that’s all about — but they love power most of all, and they’re willing to treat a select few powerful women with the respect they usually reserve for male leaders. It’s almost like there’s a third gender in their worldview — we might call it Thatcherite.
Good afternoon, Jeff. You write like a novelist, as should be with this long and complicated story.
I am very interested in the Family’s connections to Germany. Even our system of schooling – private schools with a different curriculum for the elite, mass schooling for the masses – comes modified from Germany. The authoritarian bent of the Family is a good fit.
This morning I read an interview with David Iglesias, the fired AUSA. He mentions he was surprised to find that Karl Rove was agnostic, considering how he used the Christian base to win elections. Is Rove Family or a friend of the Family?
Welcome to FireDogLake, Jeff. Great introduction, Siun.
Can you tell us how you were accepted into Ivanwald? Did you adopt a secret identity or did you go in as “yourself?” One would think an organization like The Family would work hard to keep out those who would later write about it, fearing any expose’ would hurt those who belong.
And do people actually “belong?” Does everyone adhere to Coe’s views? Or does Coe use his access to the powerful to gain further access and push his crazy ideas?
Thanks for chatting today!
Originally, The Family were anti-semites. Before and during the war, they were close with a leading anti-Semite named Merwin Hart. After, they were instrumental in whitewashing the records of former Nazis to make them acceptable in postwar politics — chief among these was Hermann J. Abs, outed decades later by the Simon Wiesenthal Center as “Hitler’s Banker.” So they weren’t exactly Christian Zionists, and since they don’t buy into that rapture culture, they’re not as interested in Israel. But many of their members, such as Sam Brownback, have pushed them in that direction. Bruce Wilson, the blogger who discovered teh Hagee sermon, is working on a video about the connections.
After recently watching Richard Viguerie several times this week whining about how the Republican party ruined Conservatism; I was wondering where, if anywhere, does his conservative movement fit in with The Family?
Love of power clearly comes through in the book. That, and a love of hierarchical structures to mediate and use that power. With Coe and his Key Men at the top, of course.
That’s a great insight, Mommybrain. Chapter 6 of the book, “The Ministry of Proper Enlightenment,” is dedicated to The Family’s relationships to German conservatives and German fascists. I argue that what they took from postwar Germany — and what they infused conservative American evangelicalism with — was an emphasis on forgetting one’s own sins. Not forgiving — that’s admirable, of course — but erasing the past to serve the powerful fo the present.
BTW Jeff, we ask a lot of questions … but we’re patient about getting answers so don’t worry about the rush ;->
Teddy — in the first chapter, I describe how I was recruited into The Family through the brother of a friend. I’d known him for twelve years, so he knew who I was. They’re so used to going unchallenged that they can scarcely imagine someone in their circles holding them accountable. I was there under my own name, as myself.
And yes, some people “belong,” while others are merely associated. Only the Core is exposed to the full thrust of COe’s views, tho some of the more unsavory aspects — the reverence for strongmen like Hitler nad Mao — are pervasive.
That facet of the Family is perhaps the most frightening … that no action, no matter how brutal or evil, is even apparently noticed. If you belong or are a “brother” you can murder 100s of thousands but no harm, no foul with the Fellowship crew.
That’s a good question. I dedicate chapter 8 of the book to looking at the early stages of the modern conservative movement and how it interacted with The Family. There was a point at which guys like Viguerie were actually a thorn in their side — The Family is always about establishment power — but the various conservatisms had converged by the 80s.
In response to somebody’s q about Rove — not that I know of. Kinda like Nixon — Chuck Colson tried to recruit him but altho Nix saw the utility of The Family and had regular memos on it produced for him, he was never enough of a beleiver to get in himself.
Ah — they were a little too showy and blatant and too prone to giving the game away. Which would explain why Doug Coe is still quietly powerful and Robertson is nothing now.
How does this crew intersect with the Moonies? I thought Moon required complete fealty to his view of himself as Savior. So how can GHWB, as well as many Senators, honor Moon and be members of the Family also?
That’s not a bad analogy — and both began at the same time in 1930s, as religious third ways between fascism and democracy. General Franco of Spain, closely linked w/ Opus Dei, resisted The Family’s approach until the 1970s — he saw it for what it was, a protestant project — but thru Opus Dei they made peace and several Opus Dei ministers from Franco’s gov’t began attending the US national prayer breakfast. More recently there’s the strange case of Sam Brownback, who made his career thru the Family and then converted to Catholicism thru Opus Dei. I tell his story in chapter 9 — he strangely gave me full access.
What an amazing piece of fortune for you to have access to these archives that, from your description, having been mouldering for a long time without editing or censorship. What has been the reaction of the Family to this book? Do you think they regret your access?
BTW, the forgetting one’s own sins part is one of the things I observe and dislike in modern fundamentalism. Anything for God is a great justification, isn’t it?
(I have a million questions, sorry)
Where does Moon fit into the Family? Since he considers himself the successor to a failed Christ, does he fit in at all?
The elitism of the Family is quite something … their disdain or lack of interest in the mass popular evengelical movements comes through a lot in the book. Do they influence those other movements or even care about them?
So Chuck Colson comes by his mixing of religion and politics honestly, as it were? A lot of people thought that his religious conversion was a fake. Was it just The Family’s choosing to preserve a useful asset (Colson) by using him to take down a failed tool who was never on board with them anyway?
Welcome, Jeff. Great to have you here today. That’s so odd about Brownback. Why do you think he cooperated?
The Moonies are definitely trouble, as John Gorenfeld has shown us, but altho Moon wants to believe in absolute loyalty, anyone who’s ever spent time w/ the pols in his orbit knows that they’re using him as much as he’s using them. They have similar political views, not similar religious views. Likewise, a lot of pols use the Family — and the Family knows this. As one member expalined, “I’d rather let in a pack of wolves then lose one sheep.” So far, they’re doing great with the wolves. Still waiting on the sheep.
That’s a great question. I argue yes. A great example: In chapter 11 of the book, I go to Ted Haggard’s New Life megachurch. Populist fundamentalism at its most powerful. ANd what’s he most concerned w/? “Free markets.” That’s trickle down religion from the longstanding concerns of elite fundamentalism.
Populist and elite fundamentalism are two parallel movements, influencing each other. But the drive toward empire comes from the top, the elites.
So is Brownback still part of the Family even though he’s in the Pope’s crew now?
It was strange — he wanted Rolling Stone for his presidential bid. I was sitting in his office w/ his press secretary, arguing that he should let me go to church in Topeka w/ Brownabck. no dice. Then another reporter — a liberal, as it happens, simply interested in protecting turf — emailed the press sec my original harper’s article on the family. I thought I’d be escorted out. Instead, Brownback decied to invite me to Topeka. I actually think he thought he could win me back — he’d call me up at 11 at night to talk about “spiritual thing.s”
Jeff, toward the end of the book, you describe a meeting with David Kuo (of Bush’s “Office of Faith Based Initiatives” fame). He told you that Coe had entered semi-retirement and “stepping up to replace him was a man named Dick Foth, a longtime advisor to John Ashcroft.”
I’ve been looking around to find out more about Foth, and he seems to be as secretive as Coe. He’s been a lifelong friend of Ashcroft’s, and speaks at various events and conferences. The publicity around his appearances often describes him like this: “Foth is a spiritual adviser to a number of political figures in Washington, D.C. and is a popular speaker in the areas of leadership, relationships and communication.”
Sounds right up the Family’s alley. What else do you know of Foth that you could share with us?
Honestly, yes. Decently, no. In his memoir Born Again he describes that literally the day after he joined the Family he learned they were a “veritable underground of God’s men all through Washington,” and that former enemies now volunteered to help him. One such was Democratic Senator Harold Hughes, a decent but not bright man who made a great beard for the Family’s conservative program.
There was an old Nixon story of him meeting Mormon elders in Salt Lake. Going up the steps he turned to an aide and said something like: You’re going to hear me say a lot of things in there and I just want you to know it’s all shit.
For me, that was always Nixon in a nutshell.
How does Hilary fit into all this? Is she, too, a front?
Not as much as I’d like, unfortunately. That last chapter was added in right at the end. This past November, Foth invited me to a meeting at a diner in Northern Virginia. I couldn’t attend. He said they had trust issues with me. But then, I wasn’t the one asking for him to show up alone with no recording devices. It sounds scarier — or sillier — than it realy was. Foth wasn’t going to Hoffa me — he was going to try to convince me of The Family’s good intentions.
When NBC Nightly News contacted Foth for the segment they did on the book, he denied that there was any org at all. When NBC counteredt that they’d read The Famuly’s tax recoerds, he just chucjled and conceded the point.
Hillary is not a front or a member. She’s been associated, by her own account, since 1993, when Coe, whom she refers to as a “genuinely loving spiritual mentor and guide,” organized a prayer group of conservative women for her. They share a belief in top down religion and the rule of elites, as well as fundamental comfort level with the imperial view of American power.
I try to spell it out in a recent New Republic article:
http://www.tnr.com/politics/st…..294f9087b1
I didn’t read the book, but I did read the Harper’s article.
The game called “Bump” designed it seems to deal with anger, actually is not a bad idea. I find similar suggestions in Anthony De Mellos’s work, because if you cannot clear your “programming” of which anger is one component, reality will not be seen with clarity.
OTOH, The Family seems to go the opposite way,on things like leadership, suggesting that while Bump may clear that which anger causes a block, they wish to substitute their own version of “Proper Programming”
Strange, but in the 70’s, there was and may still be a alternative life style called “The Family” here in Oregon, the antithesis of the Family to which you address. I spent some time with them.
I’m an ordained pastor (Lutheran), with many friends in the Catholic church, and I’ve never heard of someone having to get permission from a lay member of a parish to attend mass — let alone arguments about getting that permission.
Were you asking to attend a private, prayer-group meeting with Brownback?
Yes. The way The Family looks on other religions is almost like hobbies. So, for instance, they’d say that although I’m Jewish, I could be a follower of jesus. And altho Brownback is Catholic, he can be a follower of Jesus, too. The anti-catholicism is strong, but it extends even to protestatnism — they’re just not that impressed by any formal faith.
Will your book blow this wide open or are you getting pushed back or pushed under? Is there widespread MSM interest or would they rather avoid the subject?
That’s a matter of respect. I wouldn’t go barging in on someone else’s church experience — especially if I wanted that person to keep answering my questions. I was asking if I could attend church w/ Brownback. He attends an early morning mass and then a service at Topeka Bible, a fundamentalist evangelical church. He said he didn’t want me going to mass, but I did attend Topeka Bible with him and his family. I was amazed at how openly anti-Semitic was, given Brownback’s vocal Christian Zionism. The pastor referred to Jews as “poisoners.”
This is getting confusing. Ashcroft worked Kay Cole James of Pat Robertson’s Regents University to fill Justice’s ranks with Monica Goodling/Rachel Paulose types. Now Kyle Sampson the other half of this dynamic duo was Mormon as far as I know. But the Robertson connection would explain a lot.
Groups like the Family are the reason we can’t dismiss all conspiracy theories out of hand. Is the Bilderberg GRoup related in any way?
Well, I’m on Firedoglake! Seriously, this is a problem w/ MSM. In 2002, Lisa Getter, a Pulitzer winning investigative reporter, published a long expose in the LA Times. No follow up. In 2003, I published in Harper’s. No follow up. This spring, NBC Nightly News did a great segment, thinking they had a scoop — no follow up. More recently, Time.com did a lengthy interview w/ me then killed it because they decided that harper’s and Rolling stone, where I’d originally published some of this, weren’t credible.
The problem isn’t any kind of conspriacy, it’s media illiteracy. The press can’t “see” The Family because they don’t look like fundamentalists are supposed to look like. They’re sophisticated, polished, internationalist, polite. They’re not HAgee or Robertson. Progressives need to educate the press and demand that they ask the tough questions. Remember all those profiles of AShscroft’s prayer sessions when he became attorney general? Nobody bothered to ask him detailed q’s. Had they done so, I think he actually would have been forthcoming about The Familuy.
In what important way does this group differ from other organizations; Skull&Bones, Mason, Knights of Columbus and such.
And you mention how they were the same with Muslim leaders in Indonesia for example … faith as we normally think of it becomes irrelevant if you become part of the network it seems?
I can certainly understand your desire not to “barge in” on someone else’s church, but I wonder what Brownback’s priest would think of the Senator discouraging — let alone forbidding — anyone from attending Mass.
kinda like the Masonic Protocols of the Zion Illuminati Elders ;)
Nope. I actually do dismiss all conspiracy theories. The Family isn’t a conspiracy itself — they’re not breaking the laws, they’re making the laws. The problem isn’t that they’re breaking rules, it’s that they’re making a case for a conservative, imperial ideology that too many politicians find appealing. We fight back not by crying conspiracy but by presenting a better vision. Which is what communities like FDL are all about!
That’s it exactly. The common denominator is power, not theological orthodoxy.
If you are looking at John Ascroft and Foth, you will also have to look at Ashcroft’s heavy association with the Assemblies of God church and other groups that are equally heavily associated with AOG: Amway, the Amway founder Rich DeVos and his family(and associated families and organizations such as Blackwater(Eric Prince is Rich Devos’ son-in-law), the Devos Family foundations etc. etc.
Those groups are mainly social networks without explicit ideological agendas. The Family is in the service of a specific theology of power.
Jeff, I bought your book last weekend, but this week was so busy I’ve not had the time to read it. I apologize if you have answere ths question in the book. From reading your comment, I’m really puzzled about the Family’s theology. If they’re not that impressed by any formal faith, how do they figure out their own theology?
I read your Harper’s Article. It was exquisitely written.
per Toby, is Eric Prince part of the Family?
Why does this not surprise me? It’s makes for an interesting perspective though on the whole Clinton identification with the working class she was trying to pull off in Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, and Kentucky.
For Time, Harper’s isn’t credible?
I think I just wnet through the looking-glass….
That’s a great q. In chapter four and five, I write about the origins of their theology as a response to the Great Depression. The Founder, Vereide, concluded that Christianity had erred by concerning itself with the poor, the weak, the down and out; instead, he believed — accroding to a vision God gave him — he should minister to the “up and out” — the powerful men who could make things better for everyone. He called this The Idea, in caps, and it’s really the only one he ever had. Focus on the powerful, according to Romans 13: The powers that be are ordained of God.
One of the first things that struck me about your book, Jeff, is the documentation: 40 pages of endnotes! Somehow, if someone is going to question your credibility here, they’re going to have to do a lot of work to make it stick.
(Of course, Harpers and Rolling Stone aren’t exactly publications that want lots of footnotes, so perhaps that explains some of Time’s reticence.)
I was indoctrinated into the KofC many years ago. It’s ideology scared me silly and I left.
But then, I was only 21!
Thanks! I had a great editor.
Christ-free Christianity. How convenient for the “up and out”.
Time had the book, w/ the endnotes. It’s pretty frustrating, especially when compared w/ the foreign press. Best example is, of all places, Norway, which elected a social conservative gov’t a few years ago. Reporters noticed their leaders jetting off to prayer breakfasts on the public dime and followed the money back to the US — the Cedars, the Family’s hq in Arlington. They put the Family connection on the front page for two weeks straight, and contributed to the downfall of that gov’t. That’s a press that knows how to speak truth to power, instead of speaking for the powerful.
like,
big time negotiators, false healers and women haters,
masters of the bluff and masters of the proposition.
The enemy I see wears a cloak of decency,all non believers and men stealers, talking in the name of religion?
Not that I know of. I have complete membership lists up until the late 80s, when the archive ended. After that, I had to rely on interviews that could be double sourced. So my lists of those involved are much shorter.
As opposed to the down and out, like the lepers, outcasts, and hoi polloi that Jesus hung out with.
Christ-free Christianity sums it up well. I’m going to have to remember that one.
It is discouraging, though, to realize there is yet another power circle from which we are excluded. If this crew views faith as a hobby, and membership in their own gang as paramount, what allegiance do their members actually have to the tenets of our country, for instance?
Sometimes I think the Constitution is for rubes.
Fabu!
Toss out the Sermon on the Mount, for sure. Pesky thing.
Probably just a coincidence but this sounds a lot like the little I know of the Gnosticism and the Gnostic Gospels.
The Family has received some DeVos money over the years, but that relationship began in the late 80s, when the archive runs out. There’s probably more there, but it awaits another reporter or scholar! One of the things I most wanted to accomplish with this book was to get other people on the job. That happened w/ the Norwegian example above, and now there are at least three dissretations looking at parts of The Family’s history. A McClatchy reporter is investigating some of the politicians on her beat. That’s how it should work!
Seconded. And most disconcerting.
I was stunned to see the Time article from ‘72 … then silence until your work and the LAT.
Indeed, at a National Prayer Breakfast in the late 60s, a retired Marine general gave a speech noting that Christ said some “crazy things, too,” like The Sermon on the Mount.
Then Time has no excuse.
When your second note on those 40 pages is a reference to THE foundational text on fundamentalist movements (Martin Marty’s “Fundamentalisms Observed” from his mammoth Fundamentalism Project), that says something about the seriousness with which you were approaching your subject.
Jeff, would you describe the Family as Dominionists?
I seem to recall that as the Church organized around the writings of the gospel writers, Jesus wasn’t yet seen as God, but as time went on, dealing with Jesus became messy and difficult, so they kicked him upstairs, so to speak.
don’t forget the beautitudes
Exactly. There are a few other items — Playboy actually did a good investigation in the early 70s, noting some of the funny money The Family had sent Senator Mark Hatfield’s way. And a NYT MAgazine article on prayer noted that Ford’s congressional prayer cell had reconvened to ponder Nixon’s pardon. Of course, the cell was all Republican, including Nixon’s defense sec, Melvin Laird. Conclusion: Pardon! This should have been big news, but since it came under the heading of “relgion,” the political press ignored it.
Yes. Absolutely. They predate Rushdoony — they’re the original dominionists.
Yep, and by Jesus being God, no embarrassing explanation is needed.
are you thinking the discovery of the Gnostic Gospels influenced them? or are you thinking pre-Gospels gnosticism?
Of course, this is speculative, but could you hazard any guess of what he (or other senior members of the Family in high public office) would have provided by way of answers?
I guess what I’m really wondering is: how do they wish to be seen by the national press?
thirded!
Thanks. Yeah, it’s a little strange to get dismissed like that. I’m an associate research scholar at NYU’s Center for Religion and Media, and I included a semi-scholarly apparatus in the book. The problem here is one of a necessary paradigm shift.
Anyone Spotlighted this yet?
Why does the Family’s archive end in the eighties?
The Nag Hammadi discoveries came after the founding of the Fellowship … but there is a definitely gnostic tone to their belief in some ways I think. (been many years since I studied in that playground)
Sure. The same answers Senator Sam Brownback, Senator Mark Pryor (conservative Dem), and Representative Frank Wolf gave me — this is a private off the record association of men who wish to help each other get closer to God. ASk about Coe, adn you’ll get only praise.
But they won’t volunteer it. Generally, they don’t wish to be seen by the national press at all. They lied to NBC News, and they lied to LA Times. I was living w/ them when The LAT’s Lisa Getter came around. They convened a special prayer session to pray for god to wipe out evil from the heart of journalism.
Wow! now that’s a prayer we might join but for very different reasons!
What is the best way to put a wooden stake through the heart of The Family?
Thanks for picking this up, Siun. Yes, gnosticism in modern times postdates The Family, tho one can certainly id certain affinities in the development of their beliefs. The Family’s first name, like that of a similar group called Moral ReArmament, was First Century Christian Fellowship. They imagined — still do — that they alone havethe power to return to original Christianity.
Yep..I’d sign up for a prayer circle for that one.
You said it.
Just like the Moonies, who actually succeeded in getting some Christian churches to take down the cross (a symbol of “defeat,” according to them) from the top of their steeples and within the building, and replace it with a “crown.”
Just like the crown bestowed on Moon in the Dirksen Federal Building.
Are media executives or owners in The Family?
that’s what I was wondering if the Gnostic Gospels discovery influenced The Family, or if The Family was “gnosticky” before that. thanks.
Keepin’ a low profile…kind of like the Mafia.
I believe I’ve offered a few of those myself. *g*
Through what Cornel West, one of my heroes, calls “democratic vigilance.” That means that journalists, bloggers, artists, and everybody else can never take democracy for granted. It’s something we’re always, always working toward. Muckraking is a great way of doing that — and that’s what blogs are genius at, at their best. So let’s ask tough questions of our representatives. And let’s get religiously literate if we’re going to negotiate politics in a country that’s so religiously infused. We must always respect everyone’s freedom of religion — but we do that by taking religious commitments seriously enough that we ask questions about them WHEN a pol id’s faith as a soruce of his or her decision making.
I was thinking of Christian gnosticism. Not being much into religion, I will quote wiki:
I remember Moral Rearmament and all that weird Up with People stuff that you mention .. in fact in high school, a group of friends “protested” at an Up with People event (we just dressed like ourselves – think high 60s attire and carried flowers) … we weren’t sure what they were about but we were sure they were scary.
Oops – another looking-glass moment. Again – I apologize for my deferred reading, but what do these religious scholars in the Family imagine comprises a Christ-free original Christianity?
I was going to ask this very question, but not at all as succinctly.
To me, the bottom line is that any change in humanity starts with the individual, and necessarily requires the careful examination of the things we are taught as a child about living on this planet. At least from my perspective. So long as reality is shut out by even something as simple as substituting a name for understanding, the long, depressing slide into factions with continue unabated, with the outcomes as predictable as the rising sun; war and mayhem.
oh OK, thanks
What can counteract them? Sunlight? Similar, secular cells? Their justification for the power they wield is that God chose them, not you, not me. But God doesn’t have a newsletter in which he names the Chosen; my faith isn’t strong enough for me to believe in these new apostles.
good metaphor….
Oops, I missed tw3k’s similar question at 102.
The group often jokes about itself as a “christian mafia,” so much so that even an evangelical sociologist, sympathetic to the group, referred to it as such in a lead article for the scholarly journal of the American Academy of Religion. Blogger Bruce Wilson found an online sermon of Coe saying that the “body of Christ” — by which he means fundamentalism’s avant-garde, not all Christians — “functions invisibly like the mafia… They keep their org invisible. Everything visible is transitory. Everyhting invisible is permanent and lasts forever. The more u can make yer org invisible, the more influence it will have.”
If there is nothing “conspiratorial” about these folks, I’d like to know the answer to this:
What would an actual conspiracy look like (and does the idea of completely destroying the Constitution’s separation principle under cover of lying and secrecy count as a conspiracy?) from the outside, and how would their behavior differ?
“democratic vigilance”
I like that :)
Definitely not secular cells! I’m a big believer in sunlight, transparency, and real conversation. But it also doesn’t hurt to expose some of their ugliest achievements — support for dictators such as Suharto and Siad Barre. I received recently an email from a South African member of The Family so upset at being advised by The Family to shift his finances to hide his connection that he was thinking of dissolving his connection. That’s how it works!
My faith is strong enough to see them as the antithesis of Christ’s splendid message and teachings (and that’s from a main-stream Protestant turned nature-worshipper). I know they’re not the first – and won’t be the last – powerful white men to claim to act for God while disdaining Christ. To me they sound like apostles of apostasy.
I borrowed it from Joe’s neocon policy.
“Conspiracy,” to me, is a legal term. The only law they may be breaking is the Logan Act, which forbids diplomacy by private citizens. But nobody’s ever been prosecuted for that.
So no, they’re not a conspiracy — but they’re just as dangerous to democracy, maybe moreso.
Seconded.
sorry to detract from a rational, erudite discussion. shorter me: “buncha f*ckin’ whackos”
So the Family likes power and there has been a greater intrusion of religious goofiness in our politics over the last few decades. But is this a success in the eyes of the Family, or would Bush’s tax cuts and war in Iraq be seen as more important?
nope but i digg it.
One other thing that will help counteract them — especially in the eyes of the more visible TheoCon believers — is to highlight The Family and its behavior and compare it with “the plain word of scripture” (as the TheoCons are apt to put it.
In recent years, not so much. During the 50s, yes. One of their most influential members was David Lawrence, the owner of US News (later w/ World Report). Lawrence was Jewish, but his real religion was anticommunism, and he worked closely with The Family. A current media figure involved is Cal Thomas, one of the most popular syndicated columnists in America. While I was living w/The Family, he came around to give us a very strange talk on slavery and Jesus — arguing that were it not for Jesus, we’d all keep slaves. That’d be news to the Jews, the Muslims, the pagans, and all the atheists who somehow have managed to figure out that slavery is evil w/ out Christ’s, or Cal’s help.
Amen, Kirk.
I like that Peterr … clearly there’s an important need for religious people to speak out against these hidden elites who use faith to work against the real message.
They’re likely seen as two sides of the same coin. If anything, I’d guess that the tax cuts and Iraq war are more important in the eyes of The Family.
One day David Coe, the son of the leader and a leader in the movement himself, gathered a bunch of brothers to look at a map of the world. Bush, he noted, had conquered Afghanistan (this was back in 2002); Genghis Khan, he said, had conquered — and he waved his hand over a third of the world. What, he wondered, could Jesus conquer?
As for war and taxcuts — the former they tend to accept as inevitable, the latter they tend to view as in keeping w/ God’s sovereignty — the more we can liberate the economy of prideful human meddling, the easier it’ll be for god to make us all rich!
Does Coe live a luxurious lifestyle, a comfortable lifestyle, an aesthetic lifestyle?
Not much, it seems. The sad thing is they don’t have to be a conspiracy to pursue these goals — because the press is too clueless to hold them accountable.
he’s not hurting! One of the shady aspects of The Famuly is the way the money moves. On the books, there’s not much — maybe 30 mil a year between the various nonprofits directly linked. But most of the financing takes place off the books, “man to man.” When you look at Coe’s tax records, you see a guy who’s not making all that much — $90 k one year, maybe only $12 k the next. But most of his expenses are covered, and often lavishly. He travels around the world nonstop, staying in brilliant hotels and sometimes palaces. Much of his family is also on the payroll. It’s not a get rich scheme — they’re serious about their fundamentalist faith — but they’re not hurting at all.
I don’t think the synapses in Cal’s brain function very well. He is always saying and writing things that might be true in an alternate universe, but not here. He is even good getting his Federalist Papers right.
Jeff … have you felt at all threatened due to your reporting and book?
ALL of us rich? Wouldn’t that mess up the status quo? They seem instead to embrace an incredible sense of entitlement.
do you think that reporters are loath to upset sources, and the like, that they won’t report this? Can thse reporters who are so entrenched in Washington politics really be clueless about The Family
I’ve got to run, but I want to thank you for your work, Jeff, and for coming by the Lake to chat about it.
And as was mentioned above by TobyWollin, Spotlighting this post to various media outlets might be a good way that we can give Jeff a hand in getting the broader media to take The Family more seriously.
OMG.
In the early 80’s (81? 82?) the UCSB Religios Studies Prof Walter Capps (who went on to be the Congressman from SB) had a fascinating course in which he invited political/religious figure from the “Christian Righ” to present talks and take questions.
IIRC Cal Thomas and Vigurie (?sp) wer eboth among the speakers. They were suffused with pride about Reagan’s victory, and Vigurie (IIRC) was quite candid about his perception the GOP would never have won electoral power based on their economic agenda: hence the religious voters (snd the social issues required to bring them) were required for the Reagan/GOP victory.
Listening to them was almost intolerabale, but we learned a lot. I can’t remember if Thomas mentioned the Family (my class notes are somewhere), but he clearly worshipped Power.
I wonder if either Congresswoman Lois Capps or UCSB has Prof Capps’ archive and notes from that course?
In chapter 9, I tell the story of some of The Family’s peculiar responses to my reporting. For instance, funding from the U.S. embassy for a speaking gig on fundamentalism at the Einstein Forum of Germany’s University of Potsdam was killed because, the organizer told me (when I got off the plane!) the ambassador had decreed me an “enemy of Jesus.” The ambassador was former Senator Dan Coats, a guy so rightwing that Cheney nixed him for sec of defense. Then there was the woman in the book I call Kate — one of only two names I changed — who claimed to be a fan, acted like a groupie, and finally revealed herself to be buttering me up on behalf of the Family, “to learn my heart.” Most interesting to me was Greg Unumb, an oil executive for Pride Foramer, who called me from Angola — to recruit me back into the Family, it seems.
In terms of physical danger — no. The Family doesn’t work like that, at least in the U.S. (they’re very dangerous to, say, citizens of Uganda who disagree with the dictator Museveni, their “key man” in Africa). Beyond that, who knows? In general, I think that they realize that the best defense is to sit tight and wait for people like me to go away. Hence the need for “democratic vigilance”!
Thanks, Peter. good talking w/ u.
Ivanwald was not 3 miles from my family’s house in Arlington (I googled it) and we never even had an inkling it was there. We used to follow the creek near my house down to the Potomac, and it looks like we even hiked on the property.
What was the name of that Col. who talked about God’s army battling the Muslims? Are there Family members in high places in teh military?
I think most reporters view it as harmless and irrelevant. That’s because A) reporters tend to be clueless about the history of religion; B) nobody but me and Lisa Getter of the LA Times bothered to dig into their archives. There is still a ton of important history there — 600 boxes, 100 tapes. I and my research assistants spent a total of about a year there, examining over 100,000 documents. And that’s probably only 10%. And it’s not including recent years. There are a ton of stories here, but they demand the kind of digging that most reporters don’t have time to do. I think bloggers bear a little blame there — we want the media cycle to go faster, faster, faster. Sometimes, it needs to slow down and look at teh big picture.
this makes me nervous to mmb, especially what I hear about Christian fundamentalism in the Air Force.
Boykin … whose career just seems to improve.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_G._Boykin
General Boykin. And he was making those comments on the Prayer Breakfast circuit. The military in fact sponsors non-ecumenical prayer breakfasts that ncos are required to facilitate. I’m writing about fundamentalism in the military for an upcoming issue of Rolling Stone.
Just spent a week at the Air Force Academy. There’s big trouble there.
Jeff – please let us know when that comes out … we’ll definitely want to share that around!
The same big trouble, or more?
That’d be great to look into. Out that way there’s also a valuable source of information at Westmont College, where several very conservative evangelical professors are concerned with what they see as the cultish aspects of The Family. The Family was recruiting heavily from Westmont in recent years. Ben Daniel, a journalist who’s also a Presbyterian minister, was one of those recruits and has written bravely about it.
Same and more — some of the more overt stuff is gone, but as several cadets involved in fundamentalism explained to me, it’s gone “underground.”
Do you think the man/husband as dominate over the woman/wife aspect of The Family’s beliefs is a factor in their success in places like the Air Force? And even as a factor in their continuing success to this day? Is this an undercurrent to The Family’s influence?
All the while reading The Family I was stunned over and over at the number of major politicians involved in all this. I suspect that a lot of politicians just go along for the access to power – and one thing we need to do is keep the pressure on and do things like Spotlight so it becomes a negative to be involved.
Great! I’m really interested in that. I’ve heard what they’ve been doing to agnostics and Jews in many units. That’s the kind of situation that military coups are made of … very very very frightening
Male headship has been an essential part of their beliefs since the beginning, tho, just to be clear, fundamentalism at the Air Force Academy is its own problem.
The Family began in the 1930s as a revival of a movement called “muscular Christianity,” originally a British reaction to what some perceived as a “feminized church.” In fact, churches have long been places where women could achieve some influence forbidden them in other spheres. These men couldn’t stand that, and instead advocated for a macho version of Christ. It was an explicitly imperial faith — you needed to be very manly to conquer the savages.
More recently, George W. Bush came to his faith through a like-minded project called Community Bible Study, started with Family financing int he 70s. The idea behind Community Bible Study was that successful businessmen would get bored in a sissy church, so they needed a men’s study in which they could focus on the manly aspects of Christ.
It’s part of the essential appeal of such theologies, and part of what really makes them so dangerous to democracy for everybody.
Exactly. I think there are a lot of politicians who wouldn’t want to be associated w/ The Family if they knew more about it. Who wants to be connected to folks who think Hitler offers us leadership lessons? (Well, Rep. Todd Tiahrt of Kansas, for one, whose Hitler study I sat in on, detailed in chapter 1). Here’s what I’m hoping: That next time some freshman rep gets invited to a Family prayer group, he or she will have an aide google it. And come across this. And decide that maybe there’s a better use of his or her time. That’s modest, but that’s democracy in action.
Jeff could you give us a quick rundown of the politicians involved?
Whoever is responsible for GWB leaving cocaine and bourbon behind and discovered his Christianity cover — that person is a bad egg in my book. Better to have left well enough alone!
We know that Hillary has been associated with The Family. Have Obama or McCain been similarly involved? What about Pelosi and Reid?
Ursula Le Guin writes fiction, of course. One of the premises of her book The Telling is the destruction of “The Library of Washington” (the Library of Congress) and enclaves – “the Pales” – within North America that stood outside the theocratic state.
At least, I hope Ursula LeGuin vision remains fiction.
Jeff, thanks for your clear vision of the reality that is the Family.
I look
forward todread but will value the opprotunity to read what you found in Colorado.Here’s an excerpt from the excerpt currently available at Mother Jones, listing a few of the contemporary members:
The Family is in its own words an “invisible” association, though it has always been organized around public men. Senator Sam Brownback (R., Kansas), chair of a weekly, off – the- record meeting of religious right groups called the Values Action Team (VAT), is an active member, as is Representative Joe Pitts (R., Pennsylvania), an avuncular would-be theocrat who chairs the House version of the VAT. Others referred to as members include senators Jim DeMint of South Carolina, chairman of the Senate Steering Committee (the powerful conservative caucus co-founded back in 1974 by another Family associate, the late senator Carl Curtis of Nebraska); Pete Domenici of New Mexico (a Catholic and relatively moderate Republican; it’s Domenici’s status as one of the Senate’s old lions that the Family covets, not his doctrinal purity); Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa); James Inhofe (R., Oklahoma); Tom Coburn (R., Oklahoma); John Thune (R., South Dakota); Mike Enzi (R., Wyoming); and John Ensign, the conservative casino heir elected to the Senate from Nevada, a brightly tanned, hapless figure who uses his Family connections to graft holiness to his gambling-fortune name. “Faith-based Democrats” Bill Nelson of Florida and Mark Pryor of Arkansas, sincere believers drawn rightward by their understanding of Christ’s teachings, are members, and Family stalwarts in the House include Representatives Frank Wolf (R., Virginia), Zach Wamp (R., Tennessee), and Mike McIntyre, a North Carolina Democrat who believes that the Ten Commandments are “the fundamental legal code for the laws of the United States” and thus ought to be on display in schools and court houses.
The Family’s historic roll call is even more striking: the late senator Strom Thurmond (R., South Carolina), who produced “confidential” reports on legislation for the Family’s leadership, presided for a time over the Family’s weekly Senate meeting, and the Dixie-crat senators Herman Talmadge of Georgia and Absalom Willis Robertson of Virginia—Pat Robertson’s father—served on the behind-the-scenes board of the organization. In 1974, a Family prayer group of Republican congressmen and former secretary of defense Melvin Laird helped convince President Gerald Ford that Richard Nixon deserved not just Christian forgiveness but also a legal pardon. That same year, Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist led the Family’s first weekly Bible study for federal judges.
“I wish I could say more about it,” Ronald Reagan publicly demurred back in 1985, “but it’s working precisely because it is private.”
“We desire to see a leadership led by God,” reads a confidential mission statement. “Leaders of all levels of society who direct projects as they are led by the spirit.” Another principle expanded upon is stealthiness; members are instructed to pursue political jujitsu by making use of secular leaders “in the work of advancing His kingdom,” and to avoid whenever possible the label Christian itself, lest they alert enemies to that advance. Regular prayer groups, or “cells” as they’re often called, have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries.
Peterr..I think spotlight is very powerful; my only problem is that I feel when I do it, I’m not sending it to the best people I could. I wish I could get some advice from someone who actually knows.
You have opened my eyes to a part of American history I am not read up on. No wonder fundamentalists think of America as a Christian nation. Their brand if revival religion has been around for a long time. It’s just the sort of group the founding fathers would have been wary of. I was raised Catholic and never knew about Buchman and Abram and Vereide- except indirectly through literature. It Can’t Happen Here is one of my all-time favorite books and I was happy to see you talk about it and the version of the Family it presents. I began to see a modern connection during the Reagan years and started giving the book to friends (who wouldn’t read it, too wordy!).
No, not really. Both have attended the Senate weekly prayer breakfast, which doesn’t mean much, and the Nat Prayer Breakfast, which everybody attends. The Family refers to the Nat Prayer Breakfast as a “recruiting tool” and Coe has said that it’s not even “one tent of one percent of what’s really going on.”
Obama and McCain have made the obligatory trips to both events. Nothing more. Obama in particular comes from a religious tradition at sharp odds with the top down religion of The Family.
The “born again” crowd in jr high/hs in Arcadia (where the Focus on the Family honchos lived before their exodus to Colorado Springs) practically drooled at the prospect of attending Westmont.
Same for Pelosi and Reid. Obligatory, nothing more.
Very true. He took the hell and brimstone, co-opted it for himself and he threw the turn the other cheek out the window. Enhanced his megalomaniacal frog-blasting traits.
Thanks. I’m a LeGuin fan, too.
that’s a shame! Sinclair Lewis is a genius.
Sheesh, demographic targeting for christ. That’s pretty frightening.
You can keep your Sermon on the Mount the manly Bush only wants to clear brush there.
Thanks, I was surprised to read in your book about Bart Stupak living with The Family. I like the guy.
Jeff – we’re heading towards the end of Book Salon time, though the conversation can keep going as long as folks like but …
I really want to thank you for your book and work – and for spending this time with us!
And hope you will come back as the story develops to keep us updated. I think firepups will be very interested in keeping the pressure on this issue.
Jeff, thank you so much for being here today, and for all your hard work on this. I will be buying your book later tonight.
And thank you, Siun, for your wonderful introduction.
There are decent centrist Democrats involved. I think the most explanatory story is that of Tony Hall, once a liberal, pro-labor Dem from Ohio. through the Family, he gravitated rightward, becoming anti-abortion, anti gay rights, and involved with events like the National Day of Prayer. He didn’t stop being a Democrat, but he changed the meaning of the terms.
Are you scheduled for any CSPAN appearances in the near future?
“Faith-based Democrats” Bill Nelson of Florida and Mark Pryor of Arkansas, sincere believers drawn rightward by their understanding of Christ’s teachings,
Nelson needs to be replaced. Tall order. He is very popular. No doubt, his right wing acquiescence has helped to push Florida to the right.
Thanks, Jeff. I’ve read all your Harper’s pieces and look forward to the Air Force piece, too. Come back and visit anytime.
Jeff,
Thank you for stopping by and spending the afternoon with us at the Lake.
Feel free to stay around and continue the discussion if time permits.
Everyone – exciting book, good read, there is a link above.
Thanks again,
were it not for family, some days the Ekumen seem quite appealing.
(oh….quote correction: “centuries of
fictionhistory”.)Thanks so much, Siun, for hosting this great conversation. And thanks to everybody else for taking part! I’ve really enjoyed talking with you all. I have to bow out now for dinner plans, but I’m always happy to talk about these subjects — you can reach me at jeff dot sharlet at gmail dot com. I’ll be posting more about it at TheRevealer.org, and, as of sometime next week, a new site where I’ll gather all these resources together, JeffSharlet.com.
Thanks, everyone!
Yes – thank you, Jeff. Hope SB gives you good food and good weather when you get out that way.
Regular prayer groups, or “cells” as they’re often called, have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense, and the Family has traditionally fostered strong ties with businessmen in the oil and aerospace industries.
Hence, Spaceman Bill Nelson
Nope. I’ll be on NPR’s ON the Media next week, Leonard Lopate the week after, and Diane Rehm the week after that. Oh, and Ring of Fire, rounding out the Air America appearances — Air America is vital for getting progressive books out there. C-Span would be great, but it’s up to them.
Oh Siun thank you so much, this has been -for me- the best ever Book Salon, and that says a lot.
Thank you Jeff, it was a pleasure to be involved in this conversation.
Laura Doty, you won’t be disappointed!
Keep an eye on his wife, Grace, a former board member of the Fellowship Foundation (part of The Family). Check out Bill’s career — stalled until Grace gets him involved w/ The Family.
well, I’ll bug them. Not sure that’ll produce any results, but it would be a great opening for the subject.
Thanks again!
Thank you Jeff Siun. A very enlightening salon.
Welcome to the Lake, Jeff, but I see you’re leaving us now. How dare you! ;-)
I pass by a church every day that has a sign out front once a month that reads, “Men’s Breakfast Saturday”. I never see, “Women’s Breakfast Saturday”,…evah. The men are still dominant in most churches.
Perhaps some pups would like to email Cspan and suggest an appearance?
email them here: Booktv@c-span.org
Thanks again. My wife is calling, but I’ll definitely be back — I love these FDL book salons, and there seems to be a great line-up always in the works.
I think it’s an unlikely association since the Gnostics were concerned almost entirely with non-materialist issues. They were “hyper-spiritualists” – thus they wouldn’t have focussed ON the rich and powerful…as that was on the earthly plane. The fundamental of gnosticism is that the “secret knowledge” is that the material world is a prison – in a sense it’s more akin to Buddhism.
There were many different factions of Gnostics…some were absolutely aescetic…denying the body…extreme fasting, scourging, sexual denial (even castration so as to not entrap another spiritual being in a bodily prison). Others were of the view that “feeding the demon” had no relevance to the inner spiritual being…it was merely “devil feeding devil”. So some of these individuals were hedonist in their lifestyle. There were Jewish, Christian and even pagan gnostics…and they often incorporated Greek and Zoroastrian philosophy into their Judaic base.
Thanks so much for a very enlightening conversation today, Jeff and Siun.
And thanks to Bev for setting up these great Salons!
Bon Appetit Jeff!
and thanks all for a great conversation!
Yep – thanks to Bev and Siun!
Regular prayer groups, or “cells” as they’re often called, have met in the Pentagon and at the Department of Defense,
No coincidence that AQ has cells. Extremists.
Thanks, Bev and Siun. Great afternoon!
Representative Wolf is the one who pushed for legislation for the creation of the Iraq Study Group.
thanks! I ALWAYS appreciate your input.
Yes, thank you Bev. (And I do hope you’re considering Amy and David Goodman’s book Standing Up to the Madness for a salon some time soon!)
Which was, for all practical purposes, a white wash.
The women make the breakfast. Therein lies the real power. /s
Speaking of enlightening; I got the zed in LHP’s jus cogens post.
The impractical ones too.
Yes, and I wished they use that power too if you know what I mean. ;-) Just kidding. *wink*
Off topic:
Has everyone seen this little “gem” yet?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjYpkvcmog0
Spit.
Kirk, if you’re still around. Ursula LeGuin is going to be making a (very rare) appearance at Rakestraw Books in Danville in June. (a monday evening). I wish I could drive down, but it’s too much of a schlep for this working stiff!
Wow – thanks, Laura. That’s a schelp for me, but well worth it.
Kirk, I left details in a fb msg.
About half of the early pre-Nicene Christian world were associated with what would be called “gnostic sects” today. They were definitely not hierarchal, or top-down, and that was part of the reason that led to their downfall. They were diverse, often local, and generally disorganized and without established structures. It was passed on through roving “gurus” (although a few early Church Bishops dabbled in the Philosophy). Many gnostic groups, scholars believe, were remarkably sexually egalitarian and even non-age graded. Paryer leaders and those in charge of rituals could rotate between individuals within the group. Although literacy was often important as books could sometimes be read for “secrets” that emerged when read from a gnostic perspective…illiterates also could come to such revelations from examining oral traditions. Thus new works were not anathema to gnostics…scripture was a living “experiential” thing. Closest thing that might be like it today are the New Age or Charismatic churches.
Buddhism often has the same claim…that it is a ethic of life and not a religion, and thus one can be Buddhist without giving up ones other faiths. Of course that IS a problem when those faiths assert ethos that are in contradiction to Buddhist thought.
Many groups in North Africa were gnostic (indeed St. Augustine was a member of one just prior to coming back into the Orthodox (”correct or True”) and Catholic (”Universal”) faith that was passed on through specialists presumably descended from the original disciples and “authentic” scriptures. Another branch were the followers of Arius who spread his belief-system into the Visigoths, Ostrogoths and other peoples of Central and Eastern Europe (and who spread Westward). After the Feudal leaders of thiese groups converted back into the Orthodox Church, the Arians (not to be confused with the ARYANS) may have spawned groups like the Bogomils, and other heretical sects in Southern France and Germany (like the Wallensians) during the Dark Ages. In fact the First Crusade was an “internal war” against the essentially gnostic Cathari priests in the Pyrenees.
Thus the Orthodox church was far more authoritarian and heirarchal, and far less diverse by its very nature. Ritual, scripture and roles were tightly regulated. And they were the ones that sought alliances with leaders like Constantine and became part-and-parcel a parallel state-within-a-state (or beyond the state).
There were Gnostic Manuscripts known before the Nag Hammadi texts were discovered; Carl Jung purchased one that emerged in a Cairo booksellars that was later auctioned off in Europe. He premised much of his “transformed” psychotherapy on Gnostic principles. Alan Watts was also influenced by Gnosticism. There are traditions of Gnostic belief that were passed on covertly down through the ages – it became “elitist” only after Orthodox Christian states cracked down on the many Gnostic factions and sects in the 3rd and 4th centuries. In fact St. Patrick, it’s widely acknowledged, was likely an Arian evangelist. Fear kept it a privileged belief system of a few elites (e.g. Newton wrote many theological texts, never published, which expressed the view; and the Unitarian-Universalist church may have sprung from like groups; Jefferson and Paine were also influenced by these groups). Arianism was the last large-scale Gnostic movement.
I skeptical of any relationship between the “Family” and either early Gnosticism or its later revivals.
And all those blacks in the South who were enslaved by good ol’ God Fearing Fundamentalist (and Mormon, Methodist, Catholic, etc.) plantation owners.
Odd that it took almost 1800 years before Christians suddenly were struck with the notion that slavery was evil.
You know your religion better than anyone I know. Very impressive.