Senator McCain isn't the only Beltway regular with memory lapses. Yesterday the WaPo showed the same problem in writing about his apparent psychiatric symptoms. Something in D.C.'s water -- or is there something in the rarified air the Villagers share?
The WaPo article assured readers that John McCain's years of imprisonment as a POW during the Vietnam War had not left him with"POW aftereffects."
Of course, I hope that no one has "POW aftereffects." As a physician and psychiatrist with a fellowship in trauma psychiatry I also know that people subjected to torture during confinement -- whether in Hanoi or Gitmo -- are at greater than average risk of PTSD symptoms from what they have endured.
I also know that the Washington Post and other media outlets have described Senator McCain displaying behaviors that appear to satisfy two of three criteria for the responses to trauma required to diagnose PTSD:
B. The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in one (or more) of the following ways:
(2) recurrent distressing dreams of the event. Note: In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content.
(3) acting or feeling as if the traumatic event were recurring (includes a sense of reliving the experience, illusions, hallucinations, and dissociative flashback episodes, including those that occur upon awakening or when intoxicated).
(4) intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event.
[snip]
D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (not present before the trauma), as indicated by two (or more) of the following:
(1) difficulty falling or staying asleep
(2) irritability or outbursts of anger
(3) difficulty concentrating
(4) hypervigilance
(5) exaggerated startle response
I've never met Senator McCain. How do I know about the reactions described in "B" above? The same way any journalist would -- through available medical records (or accounts thereof) and the senator's own descriptions.
B. (1): According to the records, McCain has said that immediately after his release from military prison in Hanoi there were "times when very realistic or frightening memories" came back to him. But McCain "can successfully put these memories out of his mind," the medical records said.
B. (5): he admitted in his memoir that "for a long time after coming home, I would tense up whenever I heard keys rattle," a sound made by his prison guards.
How would I -- or any journalist -- know whether Senator McCain exhibits any behaviors or overt signs consistent with the symptoms in criteria "D" above? Well, many of the symptoms are easily observed.
Sadly, Senator John McCain is an elderly man with a history of irritability and anger so severe that he has had multiple episodes of workplace violence. His symptoms are so extreme that many of his fellow military professionals, among them naval aviators -- men whose job description includes blowing things up and killing -- publicly state McCain is too unstable to be Commander-in-Chief. Friday we learned McCain sometimes requires powerful prescription medication for sleep difficulties. He has also exhibited profound deficits in memory and recall -- hallmarks of impaired concentration -- on numerous occasions.
Sadly, he also has a history of multiple head injuries, chronic and severe alcohol abuse (including numerous "black-outs"), five hours of general anesthesia, and dizzy spells.
Traumatic symptoms can cause impaired memory and concentration -- but the same symptoms may also be caused by multiple head injuries, chronic and severe alcohol abuse (especially abuse severe enough to cause "blackouts"), prolonged general anesthesia, and some of the medical conditions that cause recurrent episodes of dizziness.
Whether McCain's frequent memory impairment is or not from traumatic symptoms, the fact of his symptoms of severe irritability and anger, together with his sleep disturbance, appear to satisfy criteria "D" for PTSD.
The WaPo article -- subtitled Research Shown Past Trauma Probably Won't Affect Candidate's Life Span -- fails to discuss any of the above. The WaPo's piece instead focuses mostly on McCain's life expectancy.
Yet PTSD is a brain condition. While it may affect longevity (and I sincerely hope that traumatic symptoms don't shorten Senator McCain's life), as voters we select presidential candidates for their capacity as Chief Executive, not their capacity to become centenarians.
The WaPo did interview Everett Alvarez Jr., a Vietnam POW who went on to serve as deputy administrator of veterans affairs in the Reagan administration, and while Alvarez' recollections are -- of course -- to be respected, they nevertheless amount merely to assertions of health.
The WaPo also noted that:
Since his repatriation in 1973, [McCain] has occasionally been examined at the Robert E. Mitchell Center for Prisoner of War Studies, run by the Navy in Pensacola, Fla. However, [Jill] Hazelbaker said this week that the senator "has not for many years participated in any POW follow-up."
The WaPo did go on to discuss the results of the studies in which Senator McCain apparently did not participate.
While the WaPo couldn't find space to review what is publicly known about Senator McCain's possible PTSD symptoms, they did find space to interview Jill Hazelbacker:
Despite his painful and harrowing captivity, McCain has never received a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) ... Jill Hazelbacker said. The records being released today contain "no psychological material because McCain has not been treated for anything related to that in the time frame of records we are releasing," she said.
And who is Jill Hazelbacker, the authority the WaPo consulted to discuss this matter?
Senator McCain's campaign spokesman.
Why I am less than convinced the WaPo was actually trying to research an article, rather than echo the campaign outreach?
My friends, come back with me a moment -- five weeks of moments, actually -- on a journey across the vastness of time and the nanoworld of the WaPo editors' collective synapses.
Back in the Halcyon Days of April, 2008 the WaPo told us:
....when McCain leaned toward Charles E. Grassley and slowly said, "My friend . . ." it seemed clear that ugliness was looming: While the plural "my friends" was usually a warm salutation from McCain, "my friend" was often a prelude to his most caustic attacks.... McCain became angrier, his fist pumping even faster....at some point, he mocked Grassley to his face and used a profanity to describe him. Grassley stood and, according to two participants at the meeting, told McCain, "I don't have to take this. I think you should apologize."
McCain refused and stood to face Grassley. "There was some shouting and shoving between them, but no punches," recalls a spectator, who said that Nebraska Democrat Bob Kerrey helped break up the altercation.
Since the beginning of McCain's public life, the many witnesses to his temper have had strikingly different reactions to it. Some depict McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee for president, as an erratic hothead incapable of staying cool in the face of what he views as either disloyalty to him or irrational opposition to his ideas.
Of course, this won't surprise FDL readers of sufficiently intact synaptic capacity and advanced years to recall the deeps of time -- all the way back to a month ago, when Cliff Schecter joined us for Book Salon:
He was called McNasty in high school. The story I broke on his fight with Rick Renzi began with his calling him "boy." You brought up the wife story.
He likes abusing people. Being nasty to people. It is a part of who his is, a sadist, and the temper is only part of it.
Introducing that Book Salon, Jane brought up that same ancient WaPo article -- the one that discussed McCain's severely impaired emotional control and propensity for workplace violence:
But only this weekend, in the Washington Post article about McCain's temper (which by all reports has McCain -- with no small amount of irony -- "furious"), McCain's staff now confirms Cliff's story about Renzi:
Reports recently surfaced of Rep. Rick Renzi, an Arizona Republican, taking offense when McCain called him "boy" once too often during a 2006 meeting, a story that McCain aides confirm while playing down its importance. "Renzi flared and he was prickly," McCain strategist Mark Salter said. "But there were no punches thrown or anything."
Nope. No PTSD symptoms there at all, right?
Senator McCain, from publicly available data, is only known to satisfy five of the six diagnostic criteria for PTSD (and he’d likely have to consent to direct interviewing to assess the sixth).
But the WaPo Villagers can't seem to recall how they eagerly supported the catastrophe that was our 2003 invasion (and subsequent cccupation) of Iraq.
They can't remember yesterday morning, much less last month.
Probably not the most reliable sources for psychiatric history.
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hiya, Kirk — great post!
McCain is D A N G E R O U S
How could the AP declare McCain fit at 10am EDT when the records weren’t going to be open until 10am PDT?
Prolly not the most reliable sources for history, period?
what is it about clarity that scares people…?
nicely done post, and excellent illustration.
can i copy this for a LTE? kiss kiss please?
imo mcinsane has been chosen as the repug nom and bingo! lamestream media wwill only give him loving coverage due a ahem “war hero” - never to be spoken ill of…… of course with all the lobbyists they can muster to call him perfectly fit…..
I’m sure they called in Dr. Bill Frist to watch a video of a campaign speech and he declared him ready for duty. /s
Oh Dear… Seeing some of these must’ve really set him off…
Thanks to our Freewayblogger in Phoenix…
The AP got a peek on Thursday and had their article ready to go while the other reporters were still in the hotel room looking at the records.
McCain is Bush with more anger and the drive for physical confrontation. My kind of guy.
Sorry, Kirk - forgot to say this is a really good post. We need to repeat this stuff every day. Thanks
Great post, Doc. I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate by asking, “If John McCain’s psychiatric records show that he’s never experienced PTSD since the day he got back from Nam, then can we safely assume his time in Vietnam wasn’t as bad as he said it was?”.
In other words, did McCain lie to our nation?
Hey, it’s just a question! I don’t have the answer. ;-)
Now that’s a message Republicans can get excited about!
So Dr. Kirk - away from the clinical - Is McCain “crazy,” or chemically damaged, or environmentally unsound?
Way to go ScarletP!
Oops that was in reply to Mary McM.
Just Like Bush - Now with More Anger!
And this is the candidate of choice from teh Republicans
OK lets say McCain is experiencing problems what does he have to do to get committed?
It will just mean that the Iraq War vets are made of lesser stuff. :(
Good work FWB!
I saw a smallish sign on the north side of the Rainbow Tunnel near GG Bridge and thought of you. wink wink.
The way he treated his wife in public shows his temper, too. I wonder what goes on behind closed doors in that household.
“Three criteria for the responses to trauma required to diagnose PTSD:”
What do you want to bet the MSM will never show that list to voters? Let alone point out specific incidents that McCain has done to meet those criteria never mind how often he has met those criteria and still meets them.
Over what time period, I wonder. Takes me a couple hours to be able to get back to sleep.
Scenery can trigger involuntary memories while awake. Ground fog early in the morning. Sun reflecting off asphalt, making it appear to be a waterway.
He has a horrible way of being patronizingly sarcastic while demeaning his opponent. That comes from him personally. Don’t you lecture me…you ignorant
slut“******”….No one has a right to “lecture” him, because he’s paid his dues and no one else has and he’s angry about that…no one can “understand” what he’s been through..”no one rescued him”…. He hates anyone who counters his credibility.Vengence…Scaaaaary and obnoxious.
Oh, and they did say he takes Ambien.
Oh, and great post Dr Murphy. Doing a great service to the community as a whole with it.
Good evening, Dr. Murphy. I was struck upon reading the description of McCain’s altercation with Grassley of a story about someone I knew who had been ‘treated’ with electroshock therapy for depression when he was 19. Although this guy did get through and finish college, and even passed his cpa exam, he was never able to hold a job. He got into fights constantly; his memory lapses were just amazing; he could not be trusted to go to the bank to make a deposit or take letters to the post box to mail them.
The entire WaPo leadership seems to be suffering from early onset Alzheimer’s.
With complications from an inflamed neo-con.
Yep. Scary sense of entitlement. Where have we heard that before?
I was thinking more on the lines that McCain has the image of the guy who was tortured for 6 years while living in a cage…you know…he’s “strong”, but what if we found out that the story he tells is not true and this is why he’s not experienced PTSD or any other symptom from such trauma?
This would not diminish what our current soldiers are experiencing. Some of them do have PTSD and are getting treatment for it.
I just think McCain is a spoiled rotten rich kid who is a liar and has used his lying to go forward in his life. But hey, that’s me! LOL
I don’t know that taking Ambien means much. As an older person myself I can tell you that it is very difficult to sleep. Assorted aches and pains and just general difficulty.
Hi folks -
Thanks to all of you for your interest in this sad topic. For anyone with loved ones in their later years, looking at Sen McCain’s brain symptoms can be painful, and I hope I’ve discussed them with respect and courtesy.
Whatever I may think of his policies, as the son of someone who volunteered for WWII bombers prone to incinerate their crews - and the nephew of a Marine helicopter pilot who served two terms in Vietnam in between tow tours flying Marine one - I know no military aviator takes to the sky intending to be shot down.
So whatever we may think of US Air Power in Indochina, I can’t regard McCain - from the moment his plane was hit - as a victim. Just as much as the rape survivors I treated were victims.
Sadly for McCain’s brain, his previous history of boxing “with no reverse gear” and severe alcohol abuse/blackouts only increase his risk of brain dysfunction.
And even today, I can’t conclude with certainty that Senator McCain “satisfies” the third response criteria for diagnosis with PTSD, so I’m not concluding his symptoms meet criteria.
I can be certain that - on Friday - the WaPo didn’t bother to read their own journalists, let alone other easily available public sources. And on the say day their political blog writer published what is really a baltant lie: McCain’s records have been released and click “here” to look at them.
Jeebus - I knew Katherine Grahamn’s son hated her so much he razed the home and gardens she loved after her death. I guess he’s set about razing the paper she built, as well.
Frankly, I don’t care what his medical records say. Usually my own powers of observation and common sense I don’t want someone that uncontrollable to become President again. We need a level headed person.
I don’t want a President who addresses a young person as “a little jerk”.
I didn’t know this about McCain in 2000 but I know it now and I’m appalled.
Traumatic symptoms can cause impaired memory and concentration — but the same symptoms may also be caused by multiple head injuries, chronic and severe alcohol abuse (especially abuse severe enough to cause “blackouts”, prolonged general anesthesia, and some of the medical conditions that cause recurrent episodes of dizziness.
So your saying that McCain has other conditions head injuries, heavy alcohol use that could have caused his current symptoms instead of, or in combination with PTSD?
I’m not sure I want someone like that as President who has these problems I don’t care how he got that way. I just hope he gets treatment.
Only in terms of the symptoms together with other ones that point to PTSD. Of course, everyone with insomnia does not have PTSD.
I think I get what you meant. I was being snarky about spin and the current attitude towards our troops. I am curious about McCain’s experiences as a POW but I don’t know if we can win anything by pointing this out either way. He can have his POW status.
What’s more shocking to me is his utter lack of compassion for the troops. And Lindsay “Active Duty Stateside” Graham. Makes me puke. And that’s there for all to see. There’s no he said, we wonder.
F McCain paying his dues that type always finds an excuse to attack and a reason why you should not hit them back, they act all kinds of surprised when you do though.
Find what he cares about or wants then take it away
That’s how I see McCrazy, too, Dosido. Technically he’s at the end of his life and with the stresses of the presidency, he’ll be reaching it that much quicker. Do we really want a lunatic to have access to America’s arsenal who is nearing the end of his life? It’s bad enough we’ve had George Bush & Dick Cheney in control of it! What the hell kinds of decisions will he make knowing full well he won’t be around to witness any of it? Scary to think about. He’s a loose cannon NOW, can you imagine what he’d be like in the Oval Office? *cringe*
Okay, going to bed. Just thought I’d check in here before I did. Nite nite everyone. ;-)
Just put a small but well-placed “The War is a Lie.” up for southbound lanes - probably that one. In the meantime, there’s a “peace on earth” that’s been up for the northbound folks for over a month now…
Good night and sleep tight!
Oh that’s sweet. I missed that one. Prolly cuz I was busy looking for my offramp! I don’t get up that way often.
You too, Dosido & everyone!
Dosido, the best way to handle this is to let McCrazy & Graham and others keep talking. I loved listening to the Talking Cannonball Heads on the news today saying it’s not nice to make it political with the recent vote on the new GI Bill! Oh please. The republicans did that on every bill they brought forth when they were in charge. So soon they forget! Americans haven’t forgotten and the more they say stupid shit like that, the more Democratic seats will be won. Bah hahahahahaha!
Nite nite. ;-)
Exactly!
The symptoms ARE the problem and they are in plain sight!
Thanks TCU!
I’m saying that “he” thinks no one has the right to lecture him, because “he” thinks he’s paid his dues and is entitled to being the only one with the “right” answer or opinion on anything…he thinks he’s always right, and immune from challenge…he thinks he’s earned the right to be infallible…McPope…I should have written that more clearly.
Your suggesting McCain might have been treated with electroshock? What conditions was electroshock used to treat after McCain got out? John may have more secrets in his medical records.
I think the MSM going easy on McCain on the medical records issue will help us Presidential Campaigns are stressful at the very least McCain won’t be able to campaign as hard as a younger person.
Dosido and Mary
That’s a very interesting observation.
Our president is not angry.
A whole bunch of other stuff, but not necessarily angry.
Remember, if you’re not paying attention, you’re not angry.
Interesting.
Push McCain’s buttons now, before he can push the big button.
I was thinking more on the lines that McCain has the image of the guy who was tortured for 6 years while living in a cage…you know…he’s “strong”, but what if we found out that the story he tells is not true and this is why he’s not experienced PTSD or any other symptom from such trauma?
Was thinking the exact same thing. Remember how they republics fried Kerry and said that he made shit up about his military service and his medals? I hope that crap boomerangs on the republics. McShame should be questioned over and over on his story, see if it really holds up. What about his military records. Have those been released. If not can we pressure him into doing it?
Ambien is just a tool, and - like all tools - may be used in ways that help or harm.
Ambien is part of family of drugs that - though they don’t have the chemical structure of the Valium family - work via the same complex of CNS “receptors” that Valium and hte other benzodiazpines work through.
Just like Valium, Ambien (zolpidem) and the other z’s (zapelon and zopiclone) can cause catastrophic CNS side effects in some folks, yet not in others.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi.....6/7125/117
Some older folks can take them without apparent harm (although in elderly folks taking the benzos even intermittently, one finds increased risk of death and severe injury through accident - probably through subtle cognitive impairment).
IN general, the more medical “insults” a brain has sustained (direct physical trauma, sever medical diseases like hypertension or diabetes, alcohol use - and probably chronic anxiety (inc PTSD, perhaps) and/or depression), the ore susceptibel that brian will be to ill efects from the benzo’s or the zzz’s.
Technically, both are GABA agonists.
Here follows a really wonky description I wrote on the fly earlier today - just for info, not for decisonos about meds.
IN particualr, for folks who take one of these every night or most nights -PLEASE DONT STOP ABRUPTLY - that can cause severe withdrwal side effects (including hallucinations/seizures)
Yep, I shouted. Sorry.
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Ambien (zolpidem) is heavily marked as a “non-benzodizapine” sedative/hypnotic (med speak for sleep drug).
WTF does that mean?
Well, Valium (diazepam) is the most famous member of the class of sedative/hypnotic drugs known as “benzodiazepines”.
History detour: The benzo’s were initially introduced with great fanfare as being great replacements for the barbiturates [”downers” or “reds”] - supposedly the benzos did not have the risk of dependence/abuse that the barbs carry. Well, the benzos are far less likely to cause death through accidental/deliberate OD {technically, they have a higher “therapeutic index” - roughly speaking the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose}.
In clinical practice, the benzos proved to be every bit as much of a problem with abuse and dependence as the barbs.
(For more, see the out of print but prescient “Licit And Illicit Drugs” from - IIRC - Consumers Reports in the early 70’s. What can I say? I had a misspent youth as a library page.)
So WTF does this have to do with McCain and zoplidem/ambien?
Well, zolpidem and zapelon and zopiclone (why do sleep drugs sound like Douglas Adams’ characters?) were all introduced in the late 90’s with great fanfare - and greater haste (under FDA rules requiring less data for approval). The supposed benefit?
Why - of course: less risk of dependence and abuse than the benzos carry.
Except for the inconvenient truth that, not long after introduction, the consultation-liaison psych community noticed — and wrote journal articles about — the fact that the “zzz’s” (OK, now I understand the names) were causing the same sort of withdrawal/dependency we’d seen with the highly abusable benzo’s.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi.....6/7125/117
In really spectacular cases, people who were prescribed these lovely new non-dependency causing marvels for several nights in the hospital during a surgical stay would come home and go batshit crazy - hallucinating, getting disoriented, sweating, trembling. IIRC, seizures have even been reported.
Which - funny thing - looks phenomenologically just like the withdrawal picture seen with benzos, barbiturates, and alcohol.
Who could have anticipated?
Well, anyone who paid attention to the goddamn drug mechanism.
One of the brain’s great “mellow-out” neurotransmitters is GABA: gamma amino butyric acid to its friends. Our brains want plenty of GABA around, and our blood-brain barriers have obligingly ensured that glutamate - the substrate used to make GABA - is the most abundant free amino acid in the CNS.
That’s to make sure we don’t run out of GABA.
WTF does this have to do with McCaina and zolpidem/Ambien?
Well, the mechanism - the means of altering brain function - through which the benzos (the Valium family) act is by binding to very specific receptors (as a specific key would fit a lock) on the GABA A receptor, and accentuating the action of our natural GABA “mellow-out” activity.
GABA A is precisely* the receptor complex through which the barbs and the z’s - and very possibly alcohol - all act to increase GABA activity.
Which is why zolpidem can absolutely be expected to show all the side effects seen with the Valium class drugs.
And - not so incidentally - why the fact that this drug is on the drug list for an elderly man with a history of multiple head traumas, alcohol abuse, and alcohol-induced blackouts (not to mention workplace violence, impaired memory/judgement, an mood instability) suggests it could potentially worsen any underlying cognitive impairment or emotional/behavioral dysregualtion.
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Bonus nerding:
But - our friends in Big Pharma say the z’s are “non-benzodiazepine” drugs? How could the z’s so similar to valium and seconal?
Yep - and Demerol (meperidine) and Methadone are structurally dissimilar from morphine: but any heroin addict can tell you both will relieve their withdrawal symptoms. (and then ask if you have any on you)
Technically, this is called “cross-tolerance” : one group of drugs will have CNS effects which are very similar (or identical) to another group of drugs - even though the two groups may be structurally dissimilar.
For this reason, the whole class of drugs that act on the opium receptor - be they derived from poppies or lab flasks - are called “opiate agonists”. “Agonists” enhance (or “potentiate”) the actions of our natural receptor sites.
(and yes, our body has a natural “opiate agonist”. Don’t tell the DEA, or we’ll all end up in prison.)
Any rational classification for new CNS drugs would look at them according to their receptor of action.
From that viewpoint, the barbiturates, benzodiazaepines, the zzz’s (and very likely alcohol) would all be considered “GABA agonists”.
But that would spoil the party every time Big Pharma tortures enough rats to come up with new structures that twiddle the same old GABA receptor, so don’t expect it anytime soon.
The debates will tell all. He won’t be able to contain himself when that young whippersnapper disagrees with him.
I knew Katherine Grahamn’s son hated her so much he razed the home and gardens she loved after her death. I guess he’s set about razing the paper she built, as well.
that sounds interesting
LS, that’s a good one. Was trying to think of something clever in reply, but it’s very buttoned up on its own!
Oh, no, I am not saying that I think John mcCain has been treated with electroshock therapy - I am just saying that in this particular person, who was treated for depression with electroshock therapy, his behaviors reminded me a great deal of John McCain - the fighting, the lack of patience, the inability to get along with people who do not agree and so on. I’m not sure what electroshock therapy is supposed to do - change the brain chemistry(Kirk? Kirk? help me out here)? Does being exposed to war experiences, traumatic experiences such as POW etc. etc. - do these things change brain chemistry as well? Also, just as a side note, I think it’s sort of a mistake to describe Sen. McCain as ‘a lunatic’ - I think that is considered a very old fashioned term…
You can’t be a prisoner of war and be tortured and have no residual symptoms. You would be “Superman”…oh…yeah…he’s convinced himself he’s Superman..by suppressing everything…or…or…getting everyone else to suppress it for him…by feeding them BBQ ribs every 5 minutes.
Kay, the fact that Senator McCain is unable to raise his arms above his head is wholly consistent with his self-reported history of torture.
I have every reason to believe his accounts are accurate, and though I apprecaite the intellectual flexibility required in looking at all sides of important issues, I am not comfortable further considering the hypothesis.
In saying that, I mean no criticism of you as a commenter or your comment, of course.
Good work, freeway blogger!
I wrote my comment before I saw yours but great minds do think alike:)
Jeez, that’s weird that you are talking about Katherine Graham. I had read her autobio (a tad self serving, but interesting read) and learned that Phil Graham suffered from bipolar disorder, I believe.
The eye opener is that when he “lost it” at a very dignified gathering, a few folks just took him aside and JFK sent a plane to gather him up as a favor. It seems people in high powered high profile lives are accustomed to powerful people going off the deep end. This popped into my mind as I read Dr. Kirk’s post here on McCain. It has to be pretty bad to have DC people expressing concern.
Toby, prolonged stress is clearly associated (in general) with increased risk of concentraiton dififculties.
This is also seen in folks with chronic severe anxiety disroders - and PTSD is one such disorder.
Having said that, on an individual leve even one severe blow to the head may iincrease risk of CNS disorder later in life - as can severe, prolonged alcohol abuse.
McCain has all these “lucky” objects, everything from a lucky feather to thirty-one cents in coins. He won’t accept a salter shaker handed to him, he knocks on wood, and he insists that no hats can be thrown on beds. Isn’t this excessive? Here’s a link concerning his various superstitions:
http://www.godlikeproductions......550579/pg1
You say more succinctly and I am giving you a high-five in my comment. It was sincere thanks! :)
Kirk - my mom was put on Ambien when she was in the hospital ICU after her heart attack. She was up all night hallucinating. This is also the person for whom any of the standard anesthetics did not work at all — but I heard from someone it was because she was a redhead…supposedly redheads have that issue.
Kirk, you have so many wonderful things to say, but sometimes those words are buried in the long posts or long comments.
I hope people who need to hear the important stuff have more patience than I have.
:)
I saw this but am willing to give anyone a pass on being superstitious. Honest.
I think Colbert did a bit on it, too.
I was late to thread, so I’m late to thank Teddy and greenbird and kayinmaine and Twain and SD and Toby and others for your kind words!
When you “vet” a horse for sale, you use methods that simulate the stress the horse would be expected to encounter with the new owner…for example, you hold up a leg for a certain amount of time…and then let it trot off to see if it gets gimpy….that is what “vetting” means. It means that the vet checks for “soundness” of limb and mind.
So, McBush needs to be pushed in ways that would simulate stresses that he will be expected to encounter as President….Like challenges to his authority by We the People!!!
That goes for all of the candidates.
Doc I didn’t go through all the links but wondering if you saw this letter from a fellow POW with McCain on a post over at kos…
On McCain-Another POW’s View
It is well worth a read…
Oh - just for reference, here’s the full list of diagnostic criteria for PTSD.
The only way of knowing if Sen. McCain does or does not have symptoms that satisfy criteria C would be to directly interview him (and for him to accurately answer).
A. The person has been exposed to a traumatic event in which both of the following have been present:
(1) the person experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with an event or events that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others
(2) the person’s response involved intense fear, helplessness, or horror. Note: In children, this may be expressed instead by disorganized or agitated behavior.
B. The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in one (or more) of the following ways:
(1) recurrent and intrusive distressing recollections of the event, including images, thoughts, or perceptions. Note: In young children, repetitive play may occur in which themes or aspects of the trauma are expressed.
(2) recurrent distressing dreams of the event. Note: In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content.
(3) acting or feeling as if the traumatic event were recurring (includes a sense of reliving the experience, illusions, hallucinations, and dissociative flashback episodes, including those that occur upon awakening or when intoxicated). Note: In young children, trauma-specific reenactment may occur.
(4) intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event.
(5) physiological reactivity on exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event
C. Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness (not present before the trauma), as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
(1) efforts to avoid thoughts, feelings, or conversations associated with the trauma
(2) efforts to avoid activities, places, or people that arouse recollections of the trauma
(3) inability to recall an important aspect of the trauma
(4) markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities
(5) feeling of detachment or estrangement from others
(6) restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings)
(7) sense of a foreshortened future (e.g., does not expect to have a career, marriage, children, or a normal life span)
D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (not present before the trauma), as indicated by two (or more) of the following:
(1) difficulty falling or staying asleep
(2) irritability or outbursts of anger
(3) difficulty concentrating
(4) hypervigilance
(5) exaggerated startle response
E. Duration of the disturbance (symptoms in Criteria B, C, and D) is more than one month.
F. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
We know that McCain went through this because he wasn’t the only one at the Hanoi Hilton. As a Viet Nam combat vet, attacking his service, particularly something as ugly as this comment is, I find offensive. You want to jump on what he’s done since, well and good.
Thanks for another thought provoking post, Kirk. Poor Senator McCain. I feel sorry for the guy, but he is simply not fit to be prez. (Relatively speaking. Compared to the chimp, anyone, from Hulk Hogan to Katie Couric, would make a champion prez.)
Well that pretty much describes the whole country since 911 and the BushCo non-stop fear campaign…
I think this is why I, for one, am so upset with Hilary. She is so flunking the audition.
At one point I was willing to accept her even though I was for Edwards. If it comes down to mccain or hilary I don’t know what I’ll do.
The ReichWing WaPoo, in declaring McBush “healthy”, is fulfilling its appointed role of whitewashing their candidate. Declaring that McBush has no residual effects from his five and a half years as a tortured POW is a fiction. It hasn’t sufficient information to make that declaration; what it does have is ambiguous at best. At worst, the public record supports the reverse conclusion: that he indeed has residual effects, which are likely to worsen with age.
McCain will age from 72 to 76 his first term. He is no Churchill or Adenauer, and neither of them should have served as long as they did.
Yep - service as President is a job, not an entitlement. And our role as voters is to decide which applicant is best suited for the job.
As I see it, all three of the Senators running for Prez are flawed, ambitous pols - and we are entitiled to all three of their medical records (except for abortion history) to make our best choices as voters.
Not eveyone will need that info - and I’m quite certain not everyone will agree we are entitled to it.
Yet by failing to even clearly set forth the defiintion of what they went on to assure us Senator McCain does not have, the WaPo failed us.
Of course, perhaps under Katherine’s son the WaPo’s editors have chosen to serve the Village, not the voters.
And - not so incidentally - why the fact that this drug is on the drug list for an elderly man with a history of multiple head traumas, alcohol abuse, and alcohol-induced blackouts (not to mention workplace violence, impaired memory/judgement, an mood instability) suggests it could potentially worsen any underlying cognitive impairment or emotional/behavioral dysregualtion
Yep - and Demerol (meperidine) and Methadone are structurally dissimilar from morphine: but any heroin addict can tell you both will relieve their withdrawal symptoms. (and then ask if you have any on you)
Technically, this is called “cross-tolerance” : one group of drugs will have CNS effects which are very similar (or identical) to another group of drugs - even though the two groups may be structurally dissimilar.
Would McCain be given a drug you think is dangerous for him because he already had a cross tolerance to another sleep drug and the Doctors were trying to wean him off it?
Cause lots of sleep drugs amplify their effects when mixed with booze a fact that McCain might have known drug users and alkies who are getting a tolerance also often have behavior issues (they become jerks).
Dakinikat
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jesroy1954 | 05.24.2008 - 10:17 pm | #
I’d say it’s quite an illogical place, Captain
I’d rather know now.
i Don’t understand why folks can’t see McCain as being slightly off, just me
IMHO, our strategy in this campaign is to concentrate on the failings of the republican party, and not the failings of McCain. BECAUSE, he will be switched out at the last minute for a “better” model, and all our campaigning will be for naught if we just concentrate on McCain. Concentrate on the R party and they can do all the switching they want, and it won’t help them at all.
Really? We’re in deep trouble.
Great, great point.
Seems like there should be some tapes around with him losing his temper or something similar
Hello, Newtonuser! Thanks.
TCU, the data about McCain’s early history is public, and we can find almost all of it at an earlier post of mine from three months ago at the Lake. The info I’m describing tonight is a matter of public record.
What surprises me (well, disappoits me) is no one from MSM seems to have looked at from a clinical perspective - at least some jurnalists also have clinical backgrounds.
I wonder what else they’re missing?
Hi Kirk - kinda figured this subject would turn into an article. One question I have concerns the study the WaPo mentioned:
Is there any reason to believe this is actually true? Seems to me that officers’ brains wouldn’t be that much different from enlisted mens’.
Very true. They might pull a bait and switch.
Where are all those RNC emails? Where are the WH emails? What happened to the torture tapes? What happened in the Tillman coverup? Siegelman? Etc….refer to Hugh’s list.
That’s more superstitions than I have, and I just have one: Never use the “Q” word (Qu*iet) in a hospital.
If you do (and you work there, that is) then all hell will break loose.
I used to think this was real funny until some supervisor said, “Oh, I see the ER is having a nice qui*et shift” and then 2 ambulances came in.
There were nurses who wouldn’t wear certain items (certain earrings, hair clasps)because every time they did, they had a code.
If you’re in a job where there is not much you can do to control what’s thrown at you, you do stuff that makes you feel in control. It just puts your mind at ease, at least.
I agree. There are enough policy issues to hammer on why bother getting into a he said, she said situation. We question his health, McCain and the Rethugs say he’s ok. Gets us nowhere.
Don’t bother with tapes of his temper. Concentrate on the destruction of a major US city, foreclosures, high gas prices, war being waged on the backs of soldiers doing 7 tours of duty, etc,etc.
Well, one thing that stands out in my mind is the whole thing about having to review 1,173 pages in three hours. Unless the media outlets that were allowed in threw whole teams of medically trained professionals at that stuff, i don’t know how they’d find anything other than the obvious stuff like cholesterol numbers and blood pressure.
We need to keep an eye on the other last-minute switches….Romney, Pawlenty, Jindal, Jeb, yes Jeb, yes Jeb, Perry…etc.
Don’t take yer eye off the RNC and their ongoing fuckery. McCain might be a red herring.