Senator McCain isn’t the only Beltway regular with memory lapses. Yesterday the WaPo showed the same problem in writing about his apparent psychiatric symptoms. Something in D.C.’s water — or is there something in the rarified air the Villagers share?
The WaPo article assured readers that John McCain’s years of imprisonment as a POW during the Vietnam War had not left him with"POW aftereffects."
Of course, I hope that no one has "POW aftereffects." As a physician and psychiatrist with a fellowship in trauma psychiatry I also know that people subjected to torture during confinement — whether in Hanoi or Gitmo — are at greater than average risk of PTSD symptoms from what they have endured.
I also know that the Washington Post and other media outlets have described Senator McCain displaying behaviors that appear to satisfy two of three criteria for the responses to trauma required to diagnose PTSD:
B. The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in one (or more) of the following ways:
(2) recurrent distressing dreams of the event. Note: In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content.
(3) acting or feeling as if the traumatic event were recurring (includes a sense of reliving the experience, illusions, hallucinations, and dissociative flashback episodes, including those that occur upon awakening or when intoxicated).
(4) intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event.
[snip]
D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (not present before the trauma), as indicated by two (or more) of the following:
(1) difficulty falling or staying asleep
(2) irritability or outbursts of anger
(3) difficulty concentrating
(4) hypervigilance
(5) exaggerated startle response
I’ve never met Senator McCain. How do I know about the reactions described in "B" above? The same way any journalist would — through available medical records (or accounts thereof) and the senator’s own descriptions.
B. (1): According to the records, McCain has said that immediately after his release from military prison in Hanoi there were "times when very realistic or frightening memories" came back to him. But McCain "can successfully put these memories out of his mind," the medical records said.
B. (5): he admitted in his memoir that "for a long time after coming home, I would tense up whenever I heard keys rattle," a sound made by his prison guards.
How would I — or any journalist — know whether Senator McCain exhibits any behaviors or overt signs consistent with the symptoms in criteria "D" above? Well, many of the symptoms are easily observed.
Sadly, Senator John McCain is an elderly man with a history of irritability and anger so severe that he has had multiple episodes of workplace violence. His symptoms are so extreme that many of his fellow military professionals, among them naval aviators — men whose job description includes blowing things up and killing — publicly state McCain is too unstable to be Commander-in-Chief. Friday we learned McCain sometimes requires powerful prescription medication for sleep difficulties. He has also exhibited profound deficits in memory and recall — hallmarks of impaired concentration — on numerous occasions.
Sadly, he also has a history of multiple head injuries, chronic and severe alcohol abuse (including numerous "black-outs"), five hours of general anesthesia, and dizzy spells.
Traumatic symptoms can cause impaired memory and concentration — but the same symptoms may also be caused by multiple head injuries, chronic and severe alcohol abuse (especially abuse severe enough to cause "blackouts"), prolonged general anesthesia, and some of the medical conditions that cause recurrent episodes of dizziness.
Whether McCain’s frequent memory impairment is or not from traumatic symptoms, the fact of his symptoms of severe irritability and anger, together with his sleep disturbance, appear to satisfy criteria "D" for PTSD.
The WaPo article — subtitled Research Shown Past Trauma Probably Won’t Affect Candidate’s Life Span — fails to discuss any of the above. The WaPo’s piece instead focuses mostly on McCain’s life expectancy.
Yet PTSD is a brain condition. While it may affect longevity (and I sincerely hope that traumatic symptoms don’t shorten Senator McCain’s life), as voters we select presidential candidates for their capacity as Chief Executive, not their capacity to become centenarians.
The WaPo did interview Everett Alvarez Jr., a Vietnam POW who went on to serve as deputy administrator of veterans affairs in the Reagan administration, and while Alvarez’ recollections are — of course — to be respected, they nevertheless amount merely to assertions of health.
The WaPo also noted that:
Since his repatriation in 1973, [McCain] has occasionally been examined at the Robert E. Mitchell Center for Prisoner of War Studies, run by the Navy in Pensacola, Fla. However, [Jill] Hazelbaker said this week that the senator "has not for many years participated in any POW follow-up."
The WaPo did go on to discuss the results of the studies in which Senator McCain apparently did not participate.
While the WaPo couldn’t find space to review what is publicly known about Senator McCain’s possible PTSD symptoms, they did find space to interview Jill Hazelbacker:
Despite his painful and harrowing captivity, McCain has never received a diagnosis of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) … Jill Hazelbacker said. The records being released today contain "no psychological material because McCain has not been treated for anything related to that in the time frame of records we are releasing," she said.
And who is Jill Hazelbacker, the authority the WaPo consulted to discuss this matter?
Senator McCain’s campaign spokesman.
Why am I less than convinced about this — or any — Prez candidate’s purported freedom from symptoms?
Why I am less than convinced the WaPo was actually trying to research an article, rather than echo the campaign outreach?
My friends, come back with me a moment — five weeks of moments, actually — on a journey across the vastness of time and the nanoworld of the WaPo editors’ collective synapses.
Back in the Halcyon Days of April, 2008 the WaPo told us:
….when McCain leaned toward Charles E. Grassley and slowly said, "My friend . . ." it seemed clear that ugliness was looming: While the plural "my friends" was usually a warm salutation from McCain, "my friend" was often a prelude to his most caustic attacks…. McCain became angrier, his fist pumping even faster….at some point, he mocked Grassley to his face and used a profanity to describe him. Grassley stood and, according to two participants at the meeting, told McCain, "I don’t have to take this. I think you should apologize."
McCain refused and stood to face Grassley. "There was some shouting and shoving between them, but no punches," recalls a spectator, who said that Nebraska Democrat Bob Kerrey helped break up the altercation.
Since the beginning of McCain’s public life, the many witnesses to his temper have had strikingly different reactions to it. Some depict McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee for president, as an erratic hothead incapable of staying cool in the face of what he views as either disloyalty to him or irrational opposition to his ideas.
Of course, this won’t surprise FDL readers of sufficiently intact synaptic capacity and advanced years to recall the deeps of time — all the way back to a month ago, when Cliff Schecter joined us for Book Salon:
He was called McNasty in high school. The story I broke on his fight with Rick Renzi began with his calling him "boy." You brought up the wife story.
He likes abusing people. Being nasty to people. It is a part of who his is, a sadist, and the temper is only part of it.
Introducing that Book Salon, Jane brought up that same ancient WaPo article — the one that discussed McCain’s severely impaired emotional control and propensity for workplace violence:
But only this weekend, in the Washington Post article about McCain’s temper (which by all reports has McCain — with no small amount of irony — "furious"), McCain’s staff now confirms Cliff’s story about Renzi:
Reports recently surfaced of Rep. Rick Renzi, an Arizona Republican, taking offense when McCain called him "boy" once too often during a 2006 meeting, a story that McCain aides confirm while playing down its importance. "Renzi flared and he was prickly," McCain strategist Mark Salter said. "But there were no punches thrown or anything."
Nope. No PTSD symptoms there at all, right?
Senator McCain, from publicly available data, is only known to satisfy five of the six diagnostic criteria for PTSD (and he’d likely have to consent to direct interviewing to assess the sixth).
But the WaPo Villagers can’t seem to recall how they eagerly supported the catastrophe that was our 2003 invasion (and subsequent cccupation) of Iraq.
They can’t remember yesterday morning, much less last month.
Probably not the most reliable sources for psychiatric history.
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paging dr kirk stat!
hiya, Kirk — great post!
McCain is D A N G E R O U S
How could the AP declare McCain fit at 10am EDT when the records weren’t going to be open until 10am PDT?
Prolly not the most reliable sources for history, period?
what is it about clarity that scares people…?
nicely done post, and excellent illustration.
can i copy this for a LTE? kiss kiss please?
imo mcinsane has been chosen as the repug nom and bingo! lamestream media wwill only give him loving coverage due a ahem “war hero” – never to be spoken ill of…… of course with all the lobbyists they can muster to call him perfectly fit…..
I’m sure they called in Dr. Bill Frist to watch a video of a campaign speech and he declared him ready for duty. /s
Oh Dear… Seeing some of these must’ve really set him off…
Thanks to our Freewayblogger in Phoenix…
The AP got a peek on Thursday and had their article ready to go while the other reporters were still in the hotel room looking at the records.
McCain is Bush with more anger and the drive for physical confrontation. My kind of guy.
Sorry, Kirk – forgot to say this is a really good post. We need to repeat this stuff every day. Thanks
Great post, Doc. I’m going to play Devil’s Advocate by asking, “If John McCain’s psychiatric records show that he’s never experienced PTSD since the day he got back from Nam, then can we safely assume his time in Vietnam wasn’t as bad as he said it was?”.
In other words, did McCain lie to our nation?
Hey, it’s just a question! I don’t have the answer. ;-)
Now that’s a message Republicans can get excited about!
So Dr. Kirk – away from the clinical – Is McCain “crazy,” or chemically damaged, or environmentally unsound?
Way to go ScarletP!
Oops that was in reply to Mary McM.
Just Like Bush – Now with More Anger!
And this is the candidate of choice from teh Republicans
OK lets say McCain is experiencing problems what does he have to do to get committed?
It will just mean that the Iraq War vets are made of lesser stuff. :(
Good work FWB!
I saw a smallish sign on the north side of the Rainbow Tunnel near GG Bridge and thought of you. wink wink.
The way he treated his wife in public shows his temper, too. I wonder what goes on behind closed doors in that household.
“Three criteria for the responses to trauma required to diagnose PTSD:”
What do you want to bet the MSM will never show that list to voters? Let alone point out specific incidents that McCain has done to meet those criteria never mind how often he has met those criteria and still meets them.
Over what time period, I wonder. Takes me a couple hours to be able to get back to sleep.
Scenery can trigger involuntary memories while awake. Ground fog early in the morning. Sun reflecting off asphalt, making it appear to be a waterway.
He has a horrible way of being patronizingly sarcastic while demeaning his opponent. That comes from him personally. Don’t you lecture me…you ignorant
slut“******”….No one has a right to “lecture” him, because he’s paid his dues and no one else has and he’s angry about that…no one can “understand” what he’s been through..”no one rescued him”…. He hates anyone who counters his credibility.Vengence…Scaaaaary and obnoxious.
Oh, and they did say he takes Ambien.
Oh, and great post Dr Murphy. Doing a great service to the community as a whole with it.
Good evening, Dr. Murphy. I was struck upon reading the description of McCain’s altercation with Grassley of a story about someone I knew who had been ‘treated’ with electroshock therapy for depression when he was 19. Although this guy did get through and finish college, and even passed his cpa exam, he was never able to hold a job. He got into fights constantly; his memory lapses were just amazing; he could not be trusted to go to the bank to make a deposit or take letters to the post box to mail them.
The entire WaPo leadership seems to be suffering from early onset Alzheimer’s.
With complications from an inflamed neo-con.
Yep. Scary sense of entitlement. Where have we heard that before?
I was thinking more on the lines that McCain has the image of the guy who was tortured for 6 years while living in a cage…you know…he’s “strong”, but what if we found out that the story he tells is not true and this is why he’s not experienced PTSD or any other symptom from such trauma?
This would not diminish what our current soldiers are experiencing. Some of them do have PTSD and are getting treatment for it.
I just think McCain is a spoiled rotten rich kid who is a liar and has used his lying to go forward in his life. But hey, that’s me! LOL
I don’t know that taking Ambien means much. As an older person myself I can tell you that it is very difficult to sleep. Assorted aches and pains and just general difficulty.
Hi folks -
Thanks to all of you for your interest in this sad topic. For anyone with loved ones in their later years, looking at Sen McCain’s brain symptoms can be painful, and I hope I’ve discussed them with respect and courtesy.
Whatever I may think of his policies, as the son of someone who volunteered for WWII bombers prone to incinerate their crews – and the nephew of a Marine helicopter pilot who served two terms in Vietnam in between tow tours flying Marine one – I know no military aviator takes to the sky intending to be shot down.
So whatever we may think of US Air Power in Indochina, I can’t regard McCain – from the moment his plane was hit – as a victim. Just as much as the rape survivors I treated were victims.
Sadly for McCain’s brain, his previous history of boxing “with no reverse gear” and severe alcohol abuse/blackouts only increase his risk of brain dysfunction.
And even today, I can’t conclude with certainty that Senator McCain “satisfies” the third response criteria for diagnosis with PTSD, so I’m not concluding his symptoms meet criteria.
I can be certain that – on Friday – the WaPo didn’t bother to read their own journalists, let alone other easily available public sources. And on the say day their political blog writer published what is really a baltant lie: McCain’s records have been released and click “here” to look at them.
Jeebus – I knew Katherine Grahamn’s son hated her so much he razed the home and gardens she loved after her death. I guess he’s set about razing the paper she built, as well.
Frankly, I don’t care what his medical records say. Usually my own powers of observation and common sense I don’t want someone that uncontrollable to become President again. We need a level headed person.
I don’t want a President who addresses a young person as “a little jerk”.
I didn’t know this about McCain in 2000 but I know it now and I’m appalled.
Traumatic symptoms can cause impaired memory and concentration — but the same symptoms may also be caused by multiple head injuries, chronic and severe alcohol abuse (especially abuse severe enough to cause “blackouts”, prolonged general anesthesia, and some of the medical conditions that cause recurrent episodes of dizziness.
So your saying that McCain has other conditions head injuries, heavy alcohol use that could have caused his current symptoms instead of, or in combination with PTSD?
I’m not sure I want someone like that as President who has these problems I don’t care how he got that way. I just hope he gets treatment.
Only in terms of the symptoms together with other ones that point to PTSD. Of course, everyone with insomnia does not have PTSD.
I think I get what you meant. I was being snarky about spin and the current attitude towards our troops. I am curious about McCain’s experiences as a POW but I don’t know if we can win anything by pointing this out either way. He can have his POW status.
What’s more shocking to me is his utter lack of compassion for the troops. And Lindsay “Active Duty Stateside” Graham. Makes me puke. And that’s there for all to see. There’s no he said, we wonder.
F McCain paying his dues that type always finds an excuse to attack and a reason why you should not hit them back, they act all kinds of surprised when you do though.
Find what he cares about or wants then take it away
That’s how I see McCrazy, too, Dosido. Technically he’s at the end of his life and with the stresses of the presidency, he’ll be reaching it that much quicker. Do we really want a lunatic to have access to America’s arsenal who is nearing the end of his life? It’s bad enough we’ve had George Bush & Dick Cheney in control of it! What the hell kinds of decisions will he make knowing full well he won’t be around to witness any of it? Scary to think about. He’s a loose cannon NOW, can you imagine what he’d be like in the Oval Office? *cringe*
Okay, going to bed. Just thought I’d check in here before I did. Nite nite everyone. ;-)
Just put a small but well-placed “The War is a Lie.” up for southbound lanes – probably that one. In the meantime, there’s a “peace on earth” that’s been up for the northbound folks for over a month now…
Good night and sleep tight!
Oh that’s sweet. I missed that one. Prolly cuz I was busy looking for my offramp! I don’t get up that way often.
You too, Dosido & everyone!
Dosido, the best way to handle this is to let McCrazy & Graham and others keep talking. I loved listening to the Talking Cannonball Heads on the news today saying it’s not nice to make it political with the recent vote on the new GI Bill! Oh please. The republicans did that on every bill they brought forth when they were in charge. So soon they forget! Americans haven’t forgotten and the more they say stupid shit like that, the more Democratic seats will be won. Bah hahahahahaha!
Nite nite. ;-)
Exactly!
The symptoms ARE the problem and they are in plain sight!
Thanks TCU!
I’m saying that “he” thinks no one has the right to lecture him, because “he” thinks he’s paid his dues and is entitled to being the only one with the “right” answer or opinion on anything…he thinks he’s always right, and immune from challenge…he thinks he’s earned the right to be infallible…McPope…I should have written that more clearly.
Your suggesting McCain might have been treated with electroshock? What conditions was electroshock used to treat after McCain got out? John may have more secrets in his medical records.
I think the MSM going easy on McCain on the medical records issue will help us Presidential Campaigns are stressful at the very least McCain won’t be able to campaign as hard as a younger person.
Dosido and Mary
That’s a very interesting observation.
Our president is not angry.
A whole bunch of other stuff, but not necessarily angry.
Remember, if you’re not paying attention, you’re not angry.
Interesting.
Push McCain’s buttons now, before he can push the big button.
I was thinking more on the lines that McCain has the image of the guy who was tortured for 6 years while living in a cage…you know…he’s “strong”, but what if we found out that the story he tells is not true and this is why he’s not experienced PTSD or any other symptom from such trauma?
Was thinking the exact same thing. Remember how they republics fried Kerry and said that he made shit up about his military service and his medals? I hope that crap boomerangs on the republics. McShame should be questioned over and over on his story, see if it really holds up. What about his military records. Have those been released. If not can we pressure him into doing it?
Ambien is just a tool, and – like all tools – may be used in ways that help or harm.
Ambien is part of family of drugs that – though they don’t have the chemical structure of the Valium family – work via the same complex of CNS “receptors” that Valium and hte other benzodiazpines work through.
Just like Valium, Ambien (zolpidem) and the other z’s (zapelon and zopiclone) can cause catastrophic CNS side effects in some folks, yet not in others.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi…..6/7125/117
Some older folks can take them without apparent harm (although in elderly folks taking the benzos even intermittently, one finds increased risk of death and severe injury through accident – probably through subtle cognitive impairment).
IN general, the more medical “insults” a brain has sustained (direct physical trauma, sever medical diseases like hypertension or diabetes, alcohol use – and probably chronic anxiety (inc PTSD, perhaps) and/or depression), the ore susceptibel that brian will be to ill efects from the benzo’s or the zzz’s.
Technically, both are GABA agonists.
Here follows a really wonky description I wrote on the fly earlier today – just for info, not for decisonos about meds.
IN particualr, for folks who take one of these every night or most nights -PLEASE DONT STOP ABRUPTLY – that can cause severe withdrwal side effects (including hallucinations/seizures)
Yep, I shouted. Sorry.
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Ambien (zolpidem) is heavily marked as a “non-benzodizapine” sedative/hypnotic (med speak for sleep drug).
WTF does that mean?
Well, Valium (diazepam) is the most famous member of the class of sedative/hypnotic drugs known as “benzodiazepines”.
History detour: The benzo’s were initially introduced with great fanfare as being great replacements for the barbiturates [”downers” or “reds”] – supposedly the benzos did not have the risk of dependence/abuse that the barbs carry. Well, the benzos are far less likely to cause death through accidental/deliberate OD {technically, they have a higher “therapeutic index” – roughly speaking the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose}.
In clinical practice, the benzos proved to be every bit as much of a problem with abuse and dependence as the barbs.
(For more, see the out of print but prescient “Licit And Illicit Drugs” from – IIRC – Consumers Reports in the early 70’s. What can I say? I had a misspent youth as a library page.)
So WTF does this have to do with McCain and zoplidem/ambien?
Well, zolpidem and zapelon and zopiclone (why do sleep drugs sound like Douglas Adams’ characters?) were all introduced in the late 90’s with great fanfare – and greater haste (under FDA rules requiring less data for approval). The supposed benefit?
Why – of course: less risk of dependence and abuse than the benzos carry.
Except for the inconvenient truth that, not long after introduction, the consultation-liaison psych community noticed — and wrote journal articles about — the fact that the “zzz’s” (OK, now I understand the names) were causing the same sort of withdrawal/dependency we’d seen with the highly abusable benzo’s.
http://bmj.bmjjournals.com/cgi…..6/7125/117
In really spectacular cases, people who were prescribed these lovely new non-dependency causing marvels for several nights in the hospital during a surgical stay would come home and go batshit crazy – hallucinating, getting disoriented, sweating, trembling. IIRC, seizures have even been reported.
Which – funny thing – looks phenomenologically just like the withdrawal picture seen with benzos, barbiturates, and alcohol.
Who could have anticipated?
Well, anyone who paid attention to the goddamn drug mechanism.
One of the brain’s great “mellow-out” neurotransmitters is GABA: gamma amino butyric acid to its friends. Our brains want plenty of GABA around, and our blood-brain barriers have obligingly ensured that glutamate – the substrate used to make GABA – is the most abundant free amino acid in the CNS.
That’s to make sure we don’t run out of GABA.
WTF does this have to do with McCaina and zolpidem/Ambien?
Well, the mechanism – the means of altering brain function – through which the benzos (the Valium family) act is by binding to very specific receptors (as a specific key would fit a lock) on the GABA A receptor, and accentuating the action of our natural GABA “mellow-out” activity.
GABA A is precisely* the receptor complex through which the barbs and the z’s – and very possibly alcohol – all act to increase GABA activity.
Which is why zolpidem can absolutely be expected to show all the side effects seen with the Valium class drugs.
And – not so incidentally – why the fact that this drug is on the drug list for an elderly man with a history of multiple head traumas, alcohol abuse, and alcohol-induced blackouts (not to mention workplace violence, impaired memory/judgement, an mood instability) suggests it could potentially worsen any underlying cognitive impairment or emotional/behavioral dysregualtion.
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Bonus nerding:
But – our friends in Big Pharma say the z’s are “non-benzodiazepine” drugs? How could the z’s so similar to valium and seconal?
Yep – and Demerol (meperidine) and Methadone are structurally dissimilar from morphine: but any heroin addict can tell you both will relieve their withdrawal symptoms. (and then ask if you have any on you)
Technically, this is called “cross-tolerance” : one group of drugs will have CNS effects which are very similar (or identical) to another group of drugs – even though the two groups may be structurally dissimilar.
For this reason, the whole class of drugs that act on the opium receptor – be they derived from poppies or lab flasks – are called “opiate agonists”. “Agonists” enhance (or “potentiate”) the actions of our natural receptor sites.
(and yes, our body has a natural “opiate agonist”. Don’t tell the DEA, or we’ll all end up in prison.)
Any rational classification for new CNS drugs would look at them according to their receptor of action.
From that viewpoint, the barbiturates, benzodiazaepines, the zzz’s (and very likely alcohol) would all be considered “GABA agonists”.
But that would spoil the party every time Big Pharma tortures enough rats to come up with new structures that twiddle the same old GABA receptor, so don’t expect it anytime soon.
The debates will tell all. He won’t be able to contain himself when that young whippersnapper disagrees with him.
I knew Katherine Grahamn’s son hated her so much he razed the home and gardens she loved after her death. I guess he’s set about razing the paper she built, as well.
that sounds interesting
LS, that’s a good one. Was trying to think of something clever in reply, but it’s very buttoned up on its own!
Oh, no, I am not saying that I think John mcCain has been treated with electroshock therapy – I am just saying that in this particular person, who was treated for depression with electroshock therapy, his behaviors reminded me a great deal of John McCain – the fighting, the lack of patience, the inability to get along with people who do not agree and so on. I’m not sure what electroshock therapy is supposed to do – change the brain chemistry(Kirk? Kirk? help me out here)? Does being exposed to war experiences, traumatic experiences such as POW etc. etc. – do these things change brain chemistry as well? Also, just as a side note, I think it’s sort of a mistake to describe Sen. McCain as ‘a lunatic’ – I think that is considered a very old fashioned term…
You can’t be a prisoner of war and be tortured and have no residual symptoms. You would be “Superman”…oh…yeah…he’s convinced himself he’s Superman..by suppressing everything…or…or…getting everyone else to suppress it for him…by feeding them BBQ ribs every 5 minutes.
Kay, the fact that Senator McCain is unable to raise his arms above his head is wholly consistent with his self-reported history of torture.
I have every reason to believe his accounts are accurate, and though I apprecaite the intellectual flexibility required in looking at all sides of important issues, I am not comfortable further considering the hypothesis.
In saying that, I mean no criticism of you as a commenter or your comment, of course.
Good work, freeway blogger!
I wrote my comment before I saw yours but great minds do think alike:)
Jeez, that’s weird that you are talking about Katherine Graham. I had read her autobio (a tad self serving, but interesting read) and learned that Phil Graham suffered from bipolar disorder, I believe.
The eye opener is that when he “lost it” at a very dignified gathering, a few folks just took him aside and JFK sent a plane to gather him up as a favor. It seems people in high powered high profile lives are accustomed to powerful people going off the deep end. This popped into my mind as I read Dr. Kirk’s post here on McCain. It has to be pretty bad to have DC people expressing concern.
Toby, prolonged stress is clearly associated (in general) with increased risk of concentraiton dififculties.
This is also seen in folks with chronic severe anxiety disroders – and PTSD is one such disorder.
Having said that, on an individual leve even one severe blow to the head may iincrease risk of CNS disorder later in life – as can severe, prolonged alcohol abuse.
McCain has all these “lucky” objects, everything from a lucky feather to thirty-one cents in coins. He won’t accept a salter shaker handed to him, he knocks on wood, and he insists that no hats can be thrown on beds. Isn’t this excessive? Here’s a link concerning his various superstitions:
http://www.godlikeproductions……550579/pg1
You say more succinctly and I am giving you a high-five in my comment. It was sincere thanks! :)
Kirk – my mom was put on Ambien when she was in the hospital ICU after her heart attack. She was up all night hallucinating. This is also the person for whom any of the standard anesthetics did not work at all — but I heard from someone it was because she was a redhead…supposedly redheads have that issue.
Kirk, you have so many wonderful things to say, but sometimes those words are buried in the long posts or long comments.
I hope people who need to hear the important stuff have more patience than I have.
:)
I saw this but am willing to give anyone a pass on being superstitious. Honest.
I think Colbert did a bit on it, too.
I was late to thread, so I’m late to thank Teddy and greenbird and kayinmaine and Twain and SD and Toby and others for your kind words!
When you “vet” a horse for sale, you use methods that simulate the stress the horse would be expected to encounter with the new owner…for example, you hold up a leg for a certain amount of time…and then let it trot off to see if it gets gimpy….that is what “vetting” means. It means that the vet checks for “soundness” of limb and mind.
So, McBush needs to be pushed in ways that would simulate stresses that he will be expected to encounter as President….Like challenges to his authority by We the People!!!
That goes for all of the candidates.
Doc I didn’t go through all the links but wondering if you saw this letter from a fellow POW with McCain on a post over at kos…
On McCain-Another POW’s View
It is well worth a read…
Oh – just for reference, here’s the full list of diagnostic criteria for PTSD.
The only way of knowing if Sen. McCain does or does not have symptoms that satisfy criteria C would be to directly interview him (and for him to accurately answer).
A. The person has been exposed to a traumatic event in which both of the following have been present:
(1) the person experienced, witnessed, or was confronted with an event or events that involved actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of self or others
(2) the person’s response involved intense fear, helplessness, or horror. Note: In children, this may be expressed instead by disorganized or agitated behavior.
B. The traumatic event is persistently reexperienced in one (or more) of the following ways:
(1) recurrent and intrusive distressing recollections of the event, including images, thoughts, or perceptions. Note: In young children, repetitive play may occur in which themes or aspects of the trauma are expressed.
(2) recurrent distressing dreams of the event. Note: In children, there may be frightening dreams without recognizable content.
(3) acting or feeling as if the traumatic event were recurring (includes a sense of reliving the experience, illusions, hallucinations, and dissociative flashback episodes, including those that occur upon awakening or when intoxicated). Note: In young children, trauma-specific reenactment may occur.
(4) intense psychological distress at exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event.
(5) physiological reactivity on exposure to internal or external cues that symbolize or resemble an aspect of the traumatic event
C. Persistent avoidance of stimuli associated with the trauma and numbing of general responsiveness (not present before the trauma), as indicated by three (or more) of the following:
(1) efforts to avoid thoughts, feelings, or conversations associated with the trauma
(2) efforts to avoid activities, places, or people that arouse recollections of the trauma
(3) inability to recall an important aspect of the trauma
(4) markedly diminished interest or participation in significant activities
(5) feeling of detachment or estrangement from others
(6) restricted range of affect (e.g., unable to have loving feelings)
(7) sense of a foreshortened future (e.g., does not expect to have a career, marriage, children, or a normal life span)
D. Persistent symptoms of increased arousal (not present before the trauma), as indicated by two (or more) of the following:
(1) difficulty falling or staying asleep
(2) irritability or outbursts of anger
(3) difficulty concentrating
(4) hypervigilance
(5) exaggerated startle response
E. Duration of the disturbance (symptoms in Criteria B, C, and D) is more than one month.
F. The disturbance causes clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning.
We know that McCain went through this because he wasn’t the only one at the Hanoi Hilton. As a Viet Nam combat vet, attacking his service, particularly something as ugly as this comment is, I find offensive. You want to jump on what he’s done since, well and good.
Thanks for another thought provoking post, Kirk. Poor Senator McCain. I feel sorry for the guy, but he is simply not fit to be prez. (Relatively speaking. Compared to the chimp, anyone, from Hulk Hogan to Katie Couric, would make a champion prez.)
Well that pretty much describes the whole country since 911 and the BushCo non-stop fear campaign…
I think this is why I, for one, am so upset with Hilary. She is so flunking the audition.
At one point I was willing to accept her even though I was for Edwards. If it comes down to mccain or hilary I don’t know what I’ll do.
The ReichWing WaPoo, in declaring McBush “healthy”, is fulfilling its appointed role of whitewashing their candidate. Declaring that McBush has no residual effects from his five and a half years as a tortured POW is a fiction. It hasn’t sufficient information to make that declaration; what it does have is ambiguous at best. At worst, the public record supports the reverse conclusion: that he indeed has residual effects, which are likely to worsen with age.
McCain will age from 72 to 76 his first term. He is no Churchill or Adenauer, and neither of them should have served as long as they did.
Yep – service as President is a job, not an entitlement. And our role as voters is to decide which applicant is best suited for the job.
As I see it, all three of the Senators running for Prez are flawed, ambitous pols – and we are entitiled to all three of their medical records (except for abortion history) to make our best choices as voters.
Not eveyone will need that info – and I’m quite certain not everyone will agree we are entitled to it.
Yet by failing to even clearly set forth the defiintion of what they went on to assure us Senator McCain does not have, the WaPo failed us.
Of course, perhaps under Katherine’s son the WaPo’s editors have chosen to serve the Village, not the voters.
And – not so incidentally – why the fact that this drug is on the drug list for an elderly man with a history of multiple head traumas, alcohol abuse, and alcohol-induced blackouts (not to mention workplace violence, impaired memory/judgement, an mood instability) suggests it could potentially worsen any underlying cognitive impairment or emotional/behavioral dysregualtion
Yep – and Demerol (meperidine) and Methadone are structurally dissimilar from morphine: but any heroin addict can tell you both will relieve their withdrawal symptoms. (and then ask if you have any on you)
Technically, this is called “cross-tolerance” : one group of drugs will have CNS effects which are very similar (or identical) to another group of drugs – even though the two groups may be structurally dissimilar.
Would McCain be given a drug you think is dangerous for him because he already had a cross tolerance to another sleep drug and the Doctors were trying to wean him off it?
Cause lots of sleep drugs amplify their effects when mixed with booze a fact that McCain might have known drug users and alkies who are getting a tolerance also often have behavior issues (they become jerks).
Dakinikat
Is the world topsy turvy to You?
jesroy1954 | 05.24.2008 – 10:17 pm | #
I’d say it’s quite an illogical place, Captain
I’d rather know now.
i Don’t understand why folks can’t see McCain as being slightly off, just me
IMHO, our strategy in this campaign is to concentrate on the failings of the republican party, and not the failings of McCain. BECAUSE, he will be switched out at the last minute for a “better” model, and all our campaigning will be for naught if we just concentrate on McCain. Concentrate on the R party and they can do all the switching they want, and it won’t help them at all.
Really? We’re in deep trouble.
Great, great point.
Seems like there should be some tapes around with him losing his temper or something similar
Hello, Newtonuser! Thanks.
TCU, the data about McCain’s early history is public, and we can find almost all of it at an earlier post of mine from three months ago at the Lake. The info I’m describing tonight is a matter of public record.
What surprises me (well, disappoits me) is no one from MSM seems to have looked at from a clinical perspective – at least some jurnalists also have clinical backgrounds.
I wonder what else they’re missing?
Hi Kirk – kinda figured this subject would turn into an article. One question I have concerns the study the WaPo mentioned:
Is there any reason to believe this is actually true? Seems to me that officers’ brains wouldn’t be that much different from enlisted mens’.
Very true. They might pull a bait and switch.
Where are all those RNC emails? Where are the WH emails? What happened to the torture tapes? What happened in the Tillman coverup? Siegelman? Etc….refer to Hugh’s list.
That’s more superstitions than I have, and I just have one: Never use the “Q” word (Qu*iet) in a hospital.
If you do (and you work there, that is) then all hell will break loose.
I used to think this was real funny until some supervisor said, “Oh, I see the ER is having a nice qui*et shift” and then 2 ambulances came in.
There were nurses who wouldn’t wear certain items (certain earrings, hair clasps)because every time they did, they had a code.
If you’re in a job where there is not much you can do to control what’s thrown at you, you do stuff that makes you feel in control. It just puts your mind at ease, at least.
I agree. There are enough policy issues to hammer on why bother getting into a he said, she said situation. We question his health, McCain and the Rethugs say he’s ok. Gets us nowhere.
Don’t bother with tapes of his temper. Concentrate on the destruction of a major US city, foreclosures, high gas prices, war being waged on the backs of soldiers doing 7 tours of duty, etc,etc.
Well, one thing that stands out in my mind is the whole thing about having to review 1,173 pages in three hours. Unless the media outlets that were allowed in threw whole teams of medically trained professionals at that stuff, i don’t know how they’d find anything other than the obvious stuff like cholesterol numbers and blood pressure.
We need to keep an eye on the other last-minute switches….Romney, Pawlenty, Jindal, Jeb, yes Jeb, yes Jeb, Perry…etc.
Don’t take yer eye off the RNC and their ongoing fuckery. McCain might be a red herring.
Aviators don’t see the results of their actions. Grunts have it in their face. It’s the thing nightmares are made of.
Exactly.
A commercial that featured McCain singing “Bomb, bomb, Iran”, and saying he’d be fine with us being in Iraq for a century, dubbed over pictures of the war in Iraq might be an eye-opener.
Cost for the Iraq war – $4000 per minute…. that always gets them… small enough to even grasp all the zeros…
Corruption…. draining the treasury…Debt….. credit card is maxed ….
Evening, all — Kirk, as always, a pleasure.
I think fear is just as big a component in nightmares, and they seemed to just be comparing officers to enlisteds, although it’s a bit hard to tell. Hanoi POWs certainly experienced lots of fear and stress, even if they didn’t feel guilt.
Why else would the Pukes put up an old man with baggage, known as a maverick, who they all despise and have denigrated to no end in the past??
They are gonna pull a fast one. They are desperate and they fight dirty. They are hellbent on not losing power. Neoconfuckery.
I can’t imagine what form such neoconfuckery might take, but then I thought there were more than nine votes in the electoral college.
Here is the latest on the McBush VP weekend…. don’t give me grief because it is from Faux….
McCain, VP potentials grab a bite, take in the view
Ahhh poor things….. is it raining on their parade?
Hi Everybody. Did I miss anything? Just read Kirks excellent post, but none of the comments. McCain needs to release his real medical records. Apparently 1,173 +/- pages didn’t really get to the meat.
I think we’re talking about two different types of nightmares. Veterans who experience nightmares are reliving a real experience. Since fear, and the ability to control it, is a major factor in combat the fear experienced at the time may very well be recalled in the dream. But I don’t think that the nightmare is caused by fear. To me it’s more of an intrusive memory that occurs while sleeping. That’s why I don’t go to violent films. They’re a trigger and I avoid them.
Good question, newtonusr – all we can say is what we can observe of McCain’s function (and known history):
- impaired memory;
- repeated workplace violence;
- an explosive temper so severe that many of his military peers believe he is too impaired to be President:
- a history of multiple head injuries:
- a history of chronic and severe alcohol abuse (including numerous “black-outs”);
- a history of severe physical and emotional trauma;
- a history of five hours of general anesthesia (in 2000, IIRC);
- a history of recurrent traumatic ideation;
- a history of recurrent traumatic responses;
- and a history of “dizzy spells”
Hi Loo Hoo!
The problem with releasing all his records is that we’d be reading them until October!
Kirk in your reading, did you see that they released actual Physician notes? It was my understanding that those were in a summary format…
A Mental illness I’m sure would kill an officers career if it got on their official file, no promotion which means the officer would leave the service.
But I sure that many of these officers were given safe jobs where they couldn’t harm to many people if they lost it and as long as they were not told they were not going to get promoted they stayed.
Neither do desk jockeys.
I try not to dwell on Lindsey Graham too much but I decided to look up his bio after the GI Bill came up and I have always wondered why he is so strident when it comes to stuff about the troops.
From his senate website bio:
This says all I need to know about why he can get away with posturing all macho, while GOPers don’t ask and don’t tell.
I think the funniest part is that the campaign and Secret Service were afraid there were going to be more protesters at the big fundraiser than attendees. In his home state, no less. Yeppur, Shrub really knows how to bring ‘em in.
SO BOYCOTT EBAY, EVERYONE. NOW!!!
Yeah…that’s a good list Kirk. On the money.
Yeah, I can understand about the control factor. I have my own superstitions. I just thought McCain’s were excessive.
I think the Republicans put McCain and Lieberman out there because they were paying off their “debt” to these men – McCain for “letting Bush go first,” and to Lieberman for being a sabotaging mole in the D Party. The GOP let them go out there and take all the shellacking, then, at their convention, will put a ’savior,’ one who has not been beat up and looks all fresh and pretty.
McBush is dangerous- Clusterfuck is a fuckin mess!
The slight job approval gains made by President George W. Bush and Congress in April’s Reuters/Zogby survey evaporated this month. The job approval rating for the President have hit an all-time low, and now stand at just 23%, down from 27% in April and surpassing his previous record-low approval of 25% in October of 2007. Bush has lost support from both Republicans and Democrats, although he does show a slight increase in job approval among political independents. Just 44% of fellow Republicans give Bush positive job approval marks in this latest poll, falling from 55% last month. Among Democrats, just 6% now give the president a positive job approval rating, down from 8% in April, while 22% of independents give him positive marks, up from 18% last month.
Zogby
Were not a slouchy group… the biggest Anti-war rally was reported that 3300 attended and that was by our local Faux channel….
Can you imagine? Just the sheer number of pages on his medical records tells the entire story. It doesn’t hardly matter wtf they say. Dang!
And that’s what he opted to release.
Doing great newt. I feel guilty, though, cuz all I’ve done with this incredible mac is read blogs.
You are completley correct!
The truth is the McCain campaign hasn’t “released” his medical records anymore than the Monterey Bay Aquarium “released” their Great White Shark whan people went to see it.
Like the Aquarium, yesterday (and Thursday with the AP), McCain’s campaign merely allowed their chosen and invited guests to see the guest of honor – copies of (some of) McCain’s medical records.
And like the Aquarium, the conditions were closely controlled. We couldn’t jump in the tank to swim with the (baby) shark or feed it.
McCain’s campaign prevented the reporters from making copies or even calling out to external sources with questions.
(IIRC, teh Aquarium may have allowed pictures)
So your understanding is correct – just a summary was released.
I’ve been fascinated to see how eagerly MSM have adopted the campaign’s “released” lie.
Is this what “jump the shark” means?
GarageBand! You’ll get the hang of it!
SD, I so respect your honest and patient description of your direct personal experience.
You guys did great. And without torches and pitchforks, too. Thanks for your efforts. We street protesters really appreciate it. Invigorates everybody. Blows my mind that these warmongering Rethugs are so cowed by a bunch of DFH’s.
I smell a big rat. McCain, who they hate. Lieberman, an x-dem, Lindsay Graham….
I smell a rat so big…they’ve got a plan and you better believe it, it is smoke and mirrors…
I’m seeing “Red flags” all over the place….watch out….watch out…
Remember, they think that they “create” reality. Step back and think about it.
Beware.
A line of thought that makes the choice of VP even more interesting. The whole process reminds me of Roy Thinnes and the Invaders, or Kevin McCarthy and the Body Snatchers.
Which reminds me. From what film does the monster brain with the eyes come? Something with John Agar? Aha. Imdb to the rescue. The Brain from Planet Arous, 1957. Tag line: “It will steal your body and damn your soul.” Touche, Monsieur le Docteur, touche.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0050210/
What SD said.
Great work, katymine.
“La gente, unido, no se han (debido?)”
So glad your brought up the VP choice question, Earl.
What if McCain left the Navy because he was told that he was never going to get promoted despite his dad and grandad’s pull/clout in the Navy? His medical record and or behavior alone after the war might have triggered such a reaction.
After all unlike most people in the service McCain’s family had the clout to find out the real reasons why John wasn’t getting promoted.
The huge numbers of people who left the service after Viet Nam cause military funding was cut and promotions for everyone would be few and far between might have masked an obvious question.
John has a Dad and Granddad who are admirals in the Navy a Navy life is all John grew up knowing he should have gotten promoted with his clout before anyone so why did he really leave?
Dr. Kirk, what does anesthesia do to the CNS?
That sounds like ALL the people I know living here in New Orleans.
You can stand next to OldCoastie!
Nice work!
I have no information that supports this hypothesis.
That’s what I suspect, particularly since officers tend also to be more highly educated, and would be more likely to be able to conceal their problems from evaluators. As Kirk mentioned somewhere earlier in the comments, one of the conditions of a successful diagnosis is cooperation from the patient.
My friends who moved there immediately before (and after) Katrina to help – and stayed – all report the same thing.
Mass trauma.
You’re very kind.
Like so many I never said anything about it outside of the VA but since 2002 I found that by describing not my experiences in-country but the effect they have had on me for the last 40 years gets through to the high school kids I’ve talked to. It’s hard to describe actual combat situations to kids who have seen no end of graphic violent movies. They do listen, however, to what it does to you for the rest of your life.
Just wait for the after the Memorial Day polls when people who drove to visit family get together and gripe about the price of gas!
The holiday family talk everyone can agree on will be gas prices are to high, and its George Bush’s fault!
I expect the polls to drop even more after the holiday.
I didn’t do this all alone…. there have been thousands of hours put in by many across this valley…. by members of both parties who hate this war…. It has been the teaspoon method….
Anyone know what that is?
How do you eat an elephant?
One teaspoon at a time……. Big yearly protest at the anniversary of the war… big turnout when Cindy Sheehan speaks….. Marches on McBush’s Office over on Camelback….
drive by-
in life sometimes every ten years or so a series of events happens, not all good, then whammo, everything meshes and makes sense…..
and it’s a gift. a rare gift.
and then, if you’re human, you want to pass on something about it……..
more love, that’s all we need, more love……..the dixie chicks say it better than anyone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBDpvPbdjc
if you have dialup and are going to be online for a while, go ahead and download it.
so, since this place was a catalyst for it, i felt the need to post it here.
ok, back to the whirlwind……….hair flyin’ free……..and the most delicious, ordered, intelligent, happy, deep thoughts i’ve had in a while. and it’s lasted for days. finally, clarity has come to my house again….
i feel some artwork comin’…….
thanks to those who challenged me…..it paid off in a big way. no snark, i mean it.
i hope you win the lotto, i did……
play the freakin’ song, will ya?
more love.
Folks who have to undergo many hours of general anesthesia can show ongoing diminished cognitive function. In general, this is more likely in the elderly and people with pre-existing CNS injuries.
SD, bless you for telling them the real story of combat – especially for the “grunts”.
Could be- I always figured that he was supported at 25%- but obviously that’s not the case—could he get below 20?
I don’t know. I think they are sending us all over the place on a wild goose chase.
As long as Rove is walking around, he is still pulling the strings.
All along, I’ve thought…why McCain, they hate him..why McCain? Why is Romney so smug. Where is Jeb? Where is Perry? Why did Rove say that HRC was “fatally flawed”.
If any one of you believe that they don’t have a much bigger plan going…I’m sorry, dream on.
The “math” doesn’t add up. They are up to something, and they will distract us with BS. Just sayin.
Following my 4.5 hour surgery last October…. I had hot and cold flashes for months….. didn’t sleep all night until mid December…. It was hard to concentrate…. really needed to pay attention when driving (that was scary)
We need not speculate: closee reading even of his Wiki listings lead to sources describing that the lack of further promotions was one reason behind his departure from the Navy.
I think it’s great that you do that. Kids see all that comic book violence on the screen with little or no repercussions. That’s the part you don’t normally get until you’re older.
Oh….your system was all out of balance. I hope you feel better now! When are you going to travel?
thers is upstairs and there is an unclaimed zed up there
Good find.
Sadly, this has long been the case. In just he last year, (some of) the most senior members of the Armed Forces are speaking out about their own history of psych symptoms inourder to change this culture of “blaming the victim”.
I have poor radio reception, so of the stations I can ge early morning, I listen to Clearchannel KFI in L.A. with Bill Handle. It has been fascinating listening to him for many years, and heard his changing opinion of W. He voted for him in 2004, and is now admitting on the air that he has totally changed his mind and regrets his vote. This is the most widely listened to radio station in Southern California. (At least the most far reaching)
(((katymine)))
That was common in the military after Vietnam when my ex was in…. officers who were passed over a specified number of time for advancement were rifted… somehow memory puts at the third time and then you get rifted unless it was a high demand position but that just might be the USAF..
I’ve heard similar things about the Army. As far as I know, that’s still true.
If Bush gets below 20% then the 30%er world view is collapsing when people of faith lose their faith they go nuts. What belief will they find to replace it?
What is GOP 2.0 going to look like?
I think Bush can go lower in the polls but I don’t think we will like the effects on society if that happens. That and I’m not sure the former 30%ers will join us or that we would want them.
and the only problem i have with mccain’s possible mental issues is that his attention span would be profoundly affected……..
and the meds involved, in order to get them right, would affect that and his retention of names, time spans, setting daily routines that would fit the activity of his brain, all would have to be measured and articulated and reinforced in order for him to function at a high level of accuracy and clarity……
that is what i think about it……..
at least that has been the case in my land.
balancing meds with other issues is an infinite combination until you get one that is right……..
i don’t think he is at that level………
but when you get it right, is a fine thing. brain is functioning at a high level……….and emotions are fluid and in concert with brain.
but takes a lot to get there.
ok, take care..
bb tomorrow.
Not only officers. Treatment for mental health issues will keep an enlisted person not only from being promoted but recommended for reenlistment. It’s always been a career killer.
Thanks, Doc. is that diminished function permanent?
Which says a lot about his judgment, his temperament and fitness for high command. He was the son and grandson of four-star admirals, an Academy grad and an elite Naval Aviator who had commanded NAS Pensacola. If he was taken off the promotion to flag rank list, he had big problems. He still does.
That sure seems weird considering his dad and granddad?
LS, I’m confident that Obama’s campaign sees what you do and have a brilliant plan. These people have outsmarted McCane every step of the way. (I hope to hell I’m right)
Officers passed over twice for promotion may be allowed to stay in the service but are encouraged to resign their commission or retire. I’d say 99 percent leave the service, the other 1 percent stay in long enough to retire.
Just saw this.
No.
I have every reason to conclude McCain’s account of his torture as a POW is truthful.
What the Rethugs did to Kerry was vile – we should never imitate that.
There is a reason to request medical records – but no reason to impugn his service.
We should never go there.
Agree completely. Arguing his pain and suffering – not at all appropriate.
The only way to know is to follow a given person. In some, the general anesthesia consequnces resolve – in others, they do not. Only way to know is to observe.
Yep – he lagged far behind his classmates with similar histories in his career advancement – even with the family pull.
WHich is really sad. I can’t help wodering what happened in McCain’s childhood to make him so angry and combative.
Best thoughts, dmac!
I just don’t understand why people want to impugn someone’s service. If McCain, or anyone else, did something the military took issue with, the military would have handled it. Make no mistake about it.
We don’t need McCain’s service record to verify his experiences in the Hanoi Hilton. His fellow POW’s have all provided extensive accounts of their imprisonment. Nuff said.
Thanks for supporting me on this, Dr Murphy.
The MSM’s silence on this topic underscores its relevance. The one thing above all else that a President needs is judgment. S/He doesn’t need looks or legs, s/he doesn’t youth or even a legislature from his own party (something every British prime minister inherently possesses). Judgment. The one thing St. John seems most to lack.
I have a lot of confidence in their ability to see what’s happening too.
Obama would cream McCain at chess. McCain would throw the chess board and all the pieces all over the floor, and Obama would calmly pick up the winning pieces and place them back on the board and say, let’s play John, your move.
For what it’s worth, I agree with you, too. For those of us who haven’t been in the military, it seems especially troubling. People who risked their lives to serve their country shouldn’t be denigrated for it.
I don’t think anyone is impugning John McCain’s active military service, or belittling his accomplishments in surviving as a POW. McCain himself is inviting that criticism, however, in making his service record a constant shield for otherwise legitimate criticism of his political work. He thereby gets to defend himself with his strongest suit, while he avoidis responding to the underlying criticism of his political acts. A Beltway version of heads I win, tails you lose.
We are impugning McCain’s political judgment, his choices, his flip-flopping, and his abject reliance on lobbyists. They monopolize his campaign, and, one must assume, his senatorial office. A reliance that would deepen if he wins the Oval Office.
Thanks, SD.
I’ve been very displeased to read the comments impugning McCain’s military service – and his suffering. Especially on Memorial Day weekend.
Thanks for your patience with those comments.
oops – just saw your comment, earl. Waay up thread, ther ewere two separate comments setting forth (one as a hypothetical) that McCain had been inventing his histroy of torturre while a POW. That’s the only aspect of questioning him I take issue with.
ding!
the silence campaign – and its efficacy – has been quite telling
If McCain survived five years in the Hanoi Hilton, the physical abuse must have been grueling and frequent. (If it wasn’t, the circumstances don’t bear contemplating.) Even if he’s exaggerate it over the years, as old warriors are wont to do, it must still have been brutal.
Hence, I took at face value the claim that McCain has some form of arthritis that derives from the physical abuse he suffered as a POW. A fact that suggests his judgment is complete out the window, given his avid support for BushCheney’s torture regime. Torture, IMHO, is now the principal trademark of the Republican Party, not just its president. Something the Democrats should not make light of.
loo hoo at 160–thanks, may the road rise to meet you…….may the wind be always at your back.
i’m in one of those artistic places that people wonder about-where artists ’go’………so, probably shouldn’t post, but what the hell—here ya go………am gonna go back to radio silence after this……..
absolutely mind-blowing week….
is proving my physics ’religion’ right—energy cannot be created or destroyed, only changed
…i got pushed around when i didn’t deserve it, by two people i trusted, then i made it worse by reacting hurt, noone defended me, i decided for once that some people just gotta fall by the wayside……and i was gonna leave…..knowing i had a lot to offer that others didn’t even know i was doing in my private life, so be it….judge me without knowing me, first time the words ’your loss’ rang true and i felt bad about it…..then outta the blue people started ’giving’ me things back from things i had done for them, in my real life……i wish i could list it here, i can’t……..you wouldn’t believe the abundance i have had laid in my lap this week…….i paid it in part today by taking one of my friends out today ’catbirdin’ for plants, she had to put her dog down thursday…….spent the evening after with her and her husband in their gardens……
the ’episode’ made it concretely clear what i believe, what i stand for, what it measures against, what it means, who i am, where i’ve been and mostly, how i view the things that are unjust that have been aimed my way in my life…..that i’ve always been honest, and my motives have always been about the truth…….
like i said, every ten years or so you get this gift……..
so, i realized what i have in my hand is gold.
i know it, it’s pure, it’s the real deal. that i’m the real deal.
and anyone who wants to take what i say out of context is gonna get an emotional ranting explanation of what hit me so wrong, and that that is aok, cuz when you are misunderstood and you meant it in a good way, that’s what you do, you react in that way…..cuz i’m honest, and mean the best………and it’s a fine line between being ’good’ and being a patsy, so, you never quite get it right when you hafta be a fighter…..
and that i’m ok with that. cuz i already forgive, just keep on cuz i want my own truth to be forgiven too.
and that’s why this song is what i posted, cuz it’s what would work. oh well……. /personal rant/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBDpvPbdjc
I assume you’re talking about the apparent stiffness in his arms. When his plane took a SAM (Surface-to-Air Missile) up it’s ass he crashed, breaking numerous bones. He was handled roughly by his captors, peasant rice farmers, followed by a period without treatment. Combined with his treatment later he has had increasingly limited ROM (Range of Motion) in both arms. In pictures taken after his release he can be seen with his right arm raised higher than he is able to raise it today. This condition is probably aggravated to some degree by arthritis.
kirk–my 149
something else just occurred to me that bothers me.
i brought up the infinite combinations of brain function/medication and how it affects your daily decision making and functioning.
that getting the combination right can be a problem……..
but something you are raising is raising another question besides that——
how if you do have a mental illness, isn’t that like diabetes? isn’t that what you guys are wanting people to accept?
that when you can get the right combo of illness and medication it’s like having high blood pressure?
yet, i’m hearing you say that no matter what, he’s flawed and unacceptable…….
well, which is it?
i’m seeing a shadow side to this, and don’t know if that’s something you meant to illustrate, but you are.
by taking mccain down, are you painting a portrait of mental illness you want portrayed?
i see a good combo of treatment and medication as being a good thing…..if he’s not doing that or getting that, than that is a mind not in combination with his emotions, tnt……
if he is, what are you trying to say isn’t ok with that? isn’t that the goal of any psychiatrist? to have a patient balanced in mind and emotion? and you of all people outta know how hard won of a battle that is to attain…
you really outta know that.
i do.
so, i’m seein’ both sides now.
Late to the thread, but here’s my two cents:
As a newswatcher, I thought McCain’s “release” of his medical records was pure bullshit. If you don’t actually release the medical records, then the NYT should have the good sense not to use the word “release” to describe the event. Their headline would have been much more accurate if it said, “John McCain Deliberately Withholds Medical Records From the NYT.”
As a physician (but not a psychiatrist or a geriatrician), the biggest red flag for me was that his spokeswoman says he hasn’t had any psychiatric care for the years in question. Excuse me? This man was tortured in a POW camp for YEARS. If I were his doctor, I’d tell him that he needs to see a psychiatrist once a year, no matter how good he’s feeling, just to make sure he’s doing okay. I would NOT take his word for it that he’s “fine”, and I sure as hell wouldn’t be writing out prescriptions for powerful psychotropic drugs.