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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461714</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;thanks bonkers for addressing my concerns, i used the phrase ’herding cats’ the other night and it was slammed and dunked in my face with a vengeance. by someone who should have known better.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i have prided myself in being a thoughtful and prepared commenter, and was so pissed last week at how i was treated that i sent reactive emails all over the damn place with cusx words and all…..first time in my entire life….and was treated as a pariah…not one response back from anyone from fdl, not one……not used to that. don’t like it much. made me think. and after i thought, i thought, how much did that matter in what i was doing anyway? well, had to wonder.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;then, right after that, about every person i’ve ever helped showed up at my door and it all seemed a little irrelevant and petty…,….gee, compare what i’ve said here that was misinterpreted and what i have actually done in my life that showed up at my door….made me feel a little superior in the argument. well, it did, have to watch that pride thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;but i realized that the things i have actually built noone here has a clue…….so, take me the wrong way, belittle actual questions i had that i felt had a need to be answered about obama, and got missled for it…..so be it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;intellectual conversation used to be ok here, i feel it is no longer a place where it is safe…..i cannot say how much that saddens me…….i know this is all epu’d, oh well….it is what i feel to be true….so sad to say that, i don’t know what else to say that i haven’t already. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we don’t know who each other is here, and if we did, we wouldn’t be so ready to dismiss and be so harsh with our comments…..big mistake. big loss. i know of a few i referred here that i watched get chased off…one was an award winning journalist…….chased off by vitriol….how’s that helping anyone?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i said oh well, and tried to excuse it, but i can no longer do that and no longer be a part of it…nope…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;so, thanks for the response, i hope i answered it with the same conscientiousness that you offered.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you’ve often been a fly up my ass in the comments lately and it amused me that you were the one that opened the door to dialogue about what needs to happen…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;that’s the way it should be, isn’t it? that i talked about earlier.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;huge kiss and hug and we will meet again in the tubes.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;bet on it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;fuck it, i’m submitting this without reading it again, it’s gotten to the point i don’t think anyone reviews what they say anyway, why should i? and when i have gotten to that point, i don’t need to comment here anymore.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks bonkers for addressing my concerns, i used the phrase ’herding cats’ the other night and it was slammed and dunked in my face with a vengeance. by someone who should have known better.</p>
<p>i have prided myself in being a thoughtful and prepared commenter, and was so pissed last week at how i was treated that i sent reactive emails all over the damn place with cusx words and all…..first time in my entire life….and was treated as a pariah…not one response back from anyone from fdl, not one……not used to that. don’t like it much. made me think. and after i thought, i thought, how much did that matter in what i was doing anyway? well, had to wonder.</p>
<p>then, right after that, about every person i’ve ever helped showed up at my door and it all seemed a little irrelevant and petty…,….gee, compare what i’ve said here that was misinterpreted and what i have actually done in my life that showed up at my door….made me feel a little superior in the argument. well, it did, have to watch that pride thing.</p>
<p>but i realized that the things i have actually built noone here has a clue…….so, take me the wrong way, belittle actual questions i had that i felt had a need to be answered about obama, and got missled for it…..so be it.</p>
<p>intellectual conversation used to be ok here, i feel it is no longer a place where it is safe…..i cannot say how much that saddens me…….i know this is all epu’d, oh well….it is what i feel to be true….so sad to say that, i don’t know what else to say that i haven’t already. </p>
<p>we don’t know who each other is here, and if we did, we wouldn’t be so ready to dismiss and be so harsh with our comments…..big mistake. big loss. i know of a few i referred here that i watched get chased off…one was an award winning journalist…….chased off by vitriol….how’s that helping anyone?</p>
<p>i said oh well, and tried to excuse it, but i can no longer do that and no longer be a part of it…nope…</p>
<p>so, thanks for the response, i hope i answered it with the same conscientiousness that you offered.</p>
<p>you’ve often been a fly up my ass in the comments lately and it amused me that you were the one that opened the door to dialogue about what needs to happen…</p>
<p>that’s the way it should be, isn’t it? that i talked about earlier.</p>
<p>huge kiss and hug and we will meet again in the tubes.</p>
<p>bet on it.</p>
<p>fuck it, i’m submitting this without reading it again, it’s gotten to the point i don’t think anyone reviews what they say anyway, why should i? and when i have gotten to that point, i don’t need to comment here anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461689</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Compared to other blogs I’ve looked at, they’ve done a masterful job here of letting different sides speak their minds.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As they get a bigger audience, the tightrope walk only gets more difficult, and the chances of offending thin-skinned people goes up exponentially. The FDL management has done as well as can be expected IMO.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I agree completely.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Also, IMHO, overly avid proponents for one candidate or another are tolerated up to a certain level, and then various folks indicate gently, or not so, that a degree of harmony would be appreciated.  Mostly things don’t need to go further.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Compared to other blogs I’ve looked at, they’ve done a masterful job here of letting different sides speak their minds.</p>
<p>As they get a bigger audience, the tightrope walk only gets more difficult, and the chances of offending thin-skinned people goes up exponentially. The FDL management has done as well as can be expected IMO.</p>
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<p>I agree completely.  </p>
<p>Also, IMHO, overly avid proponents for one candidate or another are tolerated up to a certain level, and then various folks indicate gently, or not so, that a degree of harmony would be appreciated.  Mostly things don’t need to go further.</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461675</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You had questions about Obama.  I’ve drifted away from here somewhat for what I perceived as a slight Clinton bias, or at least a “they both suck” mentality when I think one is far superior than the other.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Shows how difficult it can be to herd cats, as the FDL management has had to do through this primary season.  Not really sure there’s much more they could do without coming down hard on one side or the other.  Compared to other blogs I’ve looked at, they’ve done a masterful job here of letting different sides speak their minds.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;As they get a bigger audience, the tightrope walk only gets more difficult, and the chances of offending thin-skinned people goes up exponentially.  The FDL management has done as well as can be expected IMO.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You had questions about Obama.  I’ve drifted away from here somewhat for what I perceived as a slight Clinton bias, or at least a “they both suck” mentality when I think one is far superior than the other.</p>
<p>Shows how difficult it can be to herd cats, as the FDL management has had to do through this primary season.  Not really sure there’s much more they could do without coming down hard on one side or the other.  Compared to other blogs I’ve looked at, they’ve done a masterful job here of letting different sides speak their minds.</p>
<p>As they get a bigger audience, the tightrope walk only gets more difficult, and the chances of offending thin-skinned people goes up exponentially.  The FDL management has done as well as can be expected IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461664</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 06:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and call what i’m sayin’ off topic or not something you want to read, but unless you realize what is going on here and do nothing to change it, it will be another esoteric wing of something that COULD have happened and didn’t because of the same intolerance that you wanted to fight in the first place…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i can’t believe how many people are sitting back and watching this and saying nothing…..where the hell are ya? oh well, i’m steppin’ up to it, stay the hell silent.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;you gonna let this happen?????? bullshit. (i’m hearing all those who are saying ’what problem’? that ok with you?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m just another canary in the mine…….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what a loss.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;man, i wish i was more articulate………..this really IS my LAST ditch attempt to make people put aside their agendas and hold the hand next to them……..can you do that? i can. i will.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;song of the week; dixie chicks-more love&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBDpvPbdjc&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBDpvPbdjc&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;song of the month; johnny cash-what is truth&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=qO5z2xUNUpU&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://youtube.com/watch?v=qO5z2xUNUpU&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and call what i’m sayin’ off topic or not something you want to read, but unless you realize what is going on here and do nothing to change it, it will be another esoteric wing of something that COULD have happened and didn’t because of the same intolerance that you wanted to fight in the first place…..</p>
<p>i can’t believe how many people are sitting back and watching this and saying nothing…..where the hell are ya? oh well, i’m steppin’ up to it, stay the hell silent.</p>
<p>you gonna let this happen?????? bullshit. (i’m hearing all those who are saying ’what problem’? that ok with you?)</p>
<p>i’m just another canary in the mine…….</p>
<p>what a loss.</p>
<p>man, i wish i was more articulate………..this really IS my LAST ditch attempt to make people put aside their agendas and hold the hand next to them……..can you do that? i can. i will.</p>
<p>song of the week; dixie chicks-more love<br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBDpvPbdjc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BBDpvPbdjc</a></p>
<p>song of the month; johnny cash-what is truth<br /><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=qO5z2xUNUpU" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=qO5z2xUNUpU</a></p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461627</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Maybe it’s your “special purpose…”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://youtube.com/watch?v=mAnYsODlzP8&amp;feature=related&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://youtube.com/watch?v=mAn.....re=related&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it’s your “special purpose…”</p>
<p><a href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=mAnYsODlzP8&amp;feature=related" rel="nofollow">http://youtube.com/watch?v=mAn&#8230;..re=related</a></p>
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		<title>By: dmac</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461618</link>
		<dc:creator>dmac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;kirk, you gonna address my question about the combining of the mind and emotion in your post? really wish you would.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oh, c’mon, go there. it’s a good place. ’trust me’….bet you haven’t been asked a question with such knowledge and insight in a long time……&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;-=======&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i left this place in october, back in february, around there…..it wasn’t the same place…..not at all…..indignation, anger, intolerance, impatience……..wasn’t here before….is now.&lt;br /&gt;
i have a name for it amongst my friends, the pack of hyenas….not a good term.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;what are you gonna do about it?  i have tried, one night i posted questions i had about obama and got socked in the gut, hard……by two front page posters…….&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i got pissed..before that…almost left. twice.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i’m gonna blow my own horn, i am someone that is known for my insights and intellect…i never have ’crap’ fights….ever….yet i reduced myself to cuss words and flinging in defense of myself….what the hell has happened here that someone like me resorted to that? oh, i worry about that more than i should, and more than the people in charge do, cuz they didn’t even bother to write me back about it….in spite of my shitty letter, that worried me a lot……i actually care about this place, i actually contribute money to blue america…but if i fall away, so do my links, so do my concerns, so do all of the people that i pass all of that on to…..all gone…..and what for? cuz of a few shitty people???????? dang, ok, if that’s ok with you all, that can happen…..ain’t ok with me at all. but i’ve got other irons in the fire, so, i’ll always find a place to make it happen.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;when are people gonna realize that we are all a part of each other?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the part that doesn’t want to do the dishes, the other does……the part that wants to remember birthdays and doesn’t, the other part does…..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the part that is afraid, the other part comforts…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;the part that wants to react in anger, reminds that the other part that they are kind and needs to be protected.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this past week my friends have once again for the thousanth time asked me what i am doing spending time on a blog on the internet when i already have time allotted in my own community that is valued and that the internet time has taken away from that……&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i said it matters…..that the things i do here i was trying to get people to write more letters and make more phone calls……&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;they named off things i have done here at home……that was more a/effective………they’re right ya know? they are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i don’t say what i do. i like it that way……you never know who you’re dealing with on the internet….think about that one.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;this used to be a place where everyone was welcome, it isn’t anymore……..look at all of the names that are gone now……..what kind of minds have been turned away? ewwwwwwwww that’s scary to me……..&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;we have no idea who each other is on this blog…..no idea…….and yet you flap away and  swat at people like it’s nuthin.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;no idea who you’re turnin’ away.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kirk, you gonna address my question about the combining of the mind and emotion in your post? really wish you would.</p>
<p>oh, c’mon, go there. it’s a good place. ’trust me’….bet you haven’t been asked a question with such knowledge and insight in a long time……</p>
<p>-=======</p>
<p>i left this place in october, back in february, around there…..it wasn’t the same place…..not at all…..indignation, anger, intolerance, impatience……..wasn’t here before….is now.<br />
i have a name for it amongst my friends, the pack of hyenas….not a good term.</p>
<p>what are you gonna do about it?  i have tried, one night i posted questions i had about obama and got socked in the gut, hard……by two front page posters…….</p>
<p>i got pissed..before that…almost left. twice.</p>
<p>i’m gonna blow my own horn, i am someone that is known for my insights and intellect…i never have ’crap’ fights….ever….yet i reduced myself to cuss words and flinging in defense of myself….what the hell has happened here that someone like me resorted to that? oh, i worry about that more than i should, and more than the people in charge do, cuz they didn’t even bother to write me back about it….in spite of my shitty letter, that worried me a lot……i actually care about this place, i actually contribute money to blue america…but if i fall away, so do my links, so do my concerns, so do all of the people that i pass all of that on to…..all gone…..and what for? cuz of a few shitty people???????? dang, ok, if that’s ok with you all, that can happen…..ain’t ok with me at all. but i’ve got other irons in the fire, so, i’ll always find a place to make it happen.</p>
<p>when are people gonna realize that we are all a part of each other?</p>
<p>the part that doesn’t want to do the dishes, the other does……the part that wants to remember birthdays and doesn’t, the other part does…..</p>
<p>the part that is afraid, the other part comforts…</p>
<p>the part that wants to react in anger, reminds that the other part that they are kind and needs to be protected.</p>
<p>this past week my friends have once again for the thousanth time asked me what i am doing spending time on a blog on the internet when i already have time allotted in my own community that is valued and that the internet time has taken away from that……</p>
<p>i said it matters…..that the things i do here i was trying to get people to write more letters and make more phone calls……</p>
<p>they named off things i have done here at home……that was more a/effective………they’re right ya know? they are.</p>
<p>i don’t say what i do. i like it that way……you never know who you’re dealing with on the internet….think about that one.</p>
<p>this used to be a place where everyone was welcome, it isn’t anymore……..look at all of the names that are gone now……..what kind of minds have been turned away? ewwwwwwwww that’s scary to me……..</p>
<p>we have no idea who each other is on this blog…..no idea…….and yet you flap away and  swat at people like it’s nuthin.</p>
<p>no idea who you’re turnin’ away.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461602</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Dood, I was reasonably harsh with Juno earlier today, sort of like I used to be with Peter.  Shit!  Maybe I’m a just a jerk.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dood, I was reasonably harsh with Juno earlier today, sort of like I used to be with Peter.  Shit!  Maybe I’m a just a jerk.</p>
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		<title>By: wigwam</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461598</link>
		<dc:creator>wigwam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;So, here we go again:&lt;br /&gt;
– There are 290 uncommitted delegates&lt;br /&gt;
– Obama needs 53 to reach the magic number of 2025&lt;br /&gt;
– Clinton needs 245, which means that if Obama gets even 46 more, she stands no chance of getting to 2025.&lt;br /&gt;
– On June 1 and June 3, PR, SD, and MT have primaries that will allocate most of their 110 delegates.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;IMHO, it’ll all be over by June 4, except for the PeterPierce-predicted efforts by the Clintons to change the rules after the fact to their own advantage.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, here we go again:<br />
– There are 290 uncommitted delegates<br />
– Obama needs 53 to reach the magic number of 2025<br />
– Clinton needs 245, which means that if Obama gets even 46 more, she stands no chance of getting to 2025.<br />
– On June 1 and June 3, PR, SD, and MT have primaries that will allocate most of their 110 delegates.</p>
<p>IMHO, it’ll all be over by June 4, except for the PeterPierce-predicted efforts by the Clintons to change the rules after the fact to their own advantage.</p>
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		<title>By: yonodeler</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461587</link>
		<dc:creator>yonodeler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The term &lt;em&gt;troll&lt;/em&gt; as frequently used at this site does need to be revisited. The reader forming an opinion of the place certainly can get the impression that a troll here is a dissenter from the most widely held opinions, or a backer of the least popular candidate (who may have changed, both among members and among administrators).&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term <em>troll</em> as frequently used at this site does need to be revisited. The reader forming an opinion of the place certainly can get the impression that a troll here is a dissenter from the most widely held opinions, or a backer of the least popular candidate (who may have changed, both among members and among administrators).</p>
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		<title>By: bonkers</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/24/late-night-the-autumn-of-wingnuttia/#comment-1461586</link>
		<dc:creator>bonkers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 05:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ah.  Don’t know about that, but could see that happening I suppose.  Gotta pick yer battles wisely.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I realize I could be unfair with some of this criticism, but throwing it out there as customer feedback, since I’ve donated money to FDL and want to see it thrive, and it’s been annoying to see a handful of people shit in the pool, over and over again.  Anyway, wanna keep the eye on the prize!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah.  Don’t know about that, but could see that happening I suppose.  Gotta pick yer battles wisely.</p>
<p>I realize I could be unfair with some of this criticism, but throwing it out there as customer feedback, since I’ve donated money to FDL and want to see it thrive, and it’s been annoying to see a handful of people shit in the pool, over and over again.  Anyway, wanna keep the eye on the prize!</p>
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