Comments on: Violence In South Africa: Courtesy of the World Bank and IMF http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 17 Feb 2012 22:57:20 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: dakine01 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459032 dakine01 Fri, 23 May 2008 21:06:12 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459032 <p><a href="http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/the-far-right-turns-on-mccain-again/" rel="nofollow">Howie Klein upstairs on McCain</a></p> Howie Klein upstairs on McCain

]]> By: hackworth http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459022 hackworth Fri, 23 May 2008 20:18:19 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459022 <p>Unless the Straussian Elite use their money to keep the middle class down, to keep themselves up.<br /> Freemarket policies are used to dazzle middle class rubes with dreams of wealth even as the middle class disappears.</p> <p>The Straussian elites will always spend some of their money to propel the myths of the benefits of free-market capitalism in order to fool the plebes.</p> Unless the Straussian Elite use their money to keep the middle class down, to keep themselves up.
Freemarket policies are used to dazzle middle class rubes with dreams of wealth even as the middle class disappears.

The Straussian elites will always spend some of their money to propel the myths of the benefits of free-market capitalism in order to fool the plebes.

]]> By: Elliott http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459020 Elliott Fri, 23 May 2008 20:15:39 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459020 <p>Cliff’s uptop with<br /> <a href="http://cliffschecter.firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/is-john-mccain-as-healthy-as-the-media-is-saying/" rel="nofollow">Is John McCain As Healthy As The Media Are Saying?</a></p> Cliff’s uptop with
Is John McCain As Healthy As The Media Are Saying?

]]> By: Elliott http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459015 Elliott Fri, 23 May 2008 20:05:13 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459015 <p>OT<br /> Wednesday Senate oil exec hearing is on CSPAN 1 for anyone who hasn’t seen it. It’s a good one.</p> OT
Wednesday Senate oil exec hearing is on CSPAN 1 for anyone who hasn’t seen it. It’s a good one.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459013 ThingsComeUndone Fri, 23 May 2008 19:59:09 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459013 <p>Good points is America or England relying on South Africa to further their desires in Africa?</p> Good points is America or England relying on South Africa to further their desires in Africa?

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459012 ThingsComeUndone Fri, 23 May 2008 19:56:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459012 <p>I’m guessing that the “Shock Doctrine” has a PUBLIC message for the masses (Bush, Darth, Rummy and the Neocons) which says that that Chicago School economics makes sense and will make more money than Keynesian economics.<br /> They think that money/might is right and it comes from God like the “Divine Right of Kings”.<br /> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics</a></p> <p> Then there is the Secret Message for the true *vomit* Straussian elite which says that fair competition between the 2nd generation moneyed elites and the hustlers the Plebes produce every generation will result in a lot of 2nd Generation types becoming Plebes (Bush’s companies went bankrupt were bought out by bin Ladin’s family how many times?)<br /> Unless the Straussian Elite use their money to keep the middle class down, to keep themselves up.<br /> Freemarket policies are used to dazzle middle class rubes with dreams of wealth even as the middle class disappears.<br /> I think the GOP is failing now because the razzle dazzle of the war used to excuse the “Shock Doctrine” is not going well.<br /> Hitler used the “Shock Doctrine” too but would Germany have supported Hitler if he had been stuck fighting Poland for 7 years?</p> I’m guessing that the “Shock Doctrine” has a PUBLIC message for the masses (Bush, Darth, Rummy and the Neocons) which says that that Chicago School economics makes sense and will make more money than Keynesian economics.
They think that money/might is right and it comes from God like the “Divine Right of Kings”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynesian_economics

Then there is the Secret Message for the true *vomit* Straussian elite which says that fair competition between the 2nd generation moneyed elites and the hustlers the Plebes produce every generation will result in a lot of 2nd Generation types becoming Plebes (Bush’s companies went bankrupt were bought out by bin Ladin’s family how many times?)
Unless the Straussian Elite use their money to keep the middle class down, to keep themselves up.
Freemarket policies are used to dazzle middle class rubes with dreams of wealth even as the middle class disappears.
I think the GOP is failing now because the razzle dazzle of the war used to excuse the “Shock Doctrine” is not going well.
Hitler used the “Shock Doctrine” too but would Germany have supported Hitler if he had been stuck fighting Poland for 7 years?

]]> By: Jim Clausen http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459010 Jim Clausen Fri, 23 May 2008 19:46:07 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459010 <p>Thank you for personal insight.</p> Thank you for personal insight.

]]> By: Synoia http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459006 Synoia Fri, 23 May 2008 19:36:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459006 <p>1. The Government can, and should, raise taxes.<br /> 2. “All of which will lead to currency crashes, aid cuts and capital flight.” No it won’t. Given the natural resouces, and its mining industry, ZA could renage on its debt & strike a deal with China.<br /> 3. Free water? You really don’t understnd the most precious resource in Africa.<br /> 4. Raise Wages. No minimum wage and wage restrain are two differnet things.<br /> 5. The people in ZA understand they exchange rich wihte rules for rich black rulers.<br /> 6. Inkatha (The Zulu) and the ANC will NEVER reconcile. Check ZA’s history.<br /> 7. Print more money? Tell that to the apartheid-era head of the central bank - And become like Zimbabwe, that’s a really good idea.</p> <p>Item 5 is the key. The Arikaans (White) Government was moderatly honest, and they did build the country. The ANC Government - honest? That would be a first in Africa. </p> <p>They could eliminate their armed forces - who are they going to fight?</p> <p>I like this topic, I lived in ZA, and communicate with friends of 35 years thanks to the internets.</p> 1. The Government can, and should, raise taxes.
2. “All of which will lead to currency crashes, aid cuts and capital flight.” No it won’t. Given the natural resouces, and its mining industry, ZA could renage on its debt & strike a deal with China.
3. Free water? You really don’t understnd the most precious resource in Africa.
4. Raise Wages. No minimum wage and wage restrain are two differnet things.
5. The people in ZA understand they exchange rich wihte rules for rich black rulers.
6. Inkatha (The Zulu) and the ANC will NEVER reconcile. Check ZA’s history.
7. Print more money? Tell that to the apartheid-era head of the central bank – And become like Zimbabwe, that’s a really good idea.

Item 5 is the key. The Arikaans (White) Government was moderatly honest, and they did build the country. The ANC Government – honest? That would be a first in Africa.

They could eliminate their armed forces – who are they going to fight?

I like this topic, I lived in ZA, and communicate with friends of 35 years thanks to the internets.

]]> By: ThingsComeUndone http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459005 ThingsComeUndone Fri, 23 May 2008 19:36:29 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459005 <p>PW @4 </p> <p>Which explains why the GOP must crush him before all that free healthcare Hugo has been giving starts making his people live longer than us.<br /> America would scream for National Healthcare then. I wonder how we are doing in infant mortality rates? The GOP always claimed to care about protecting the unborn but our infant mortality rates suck and if they were to go lower than Venezuela…well just what would the GOP say.<br /> If your against parental Abortion vote GOP but if you want a child and you want that child to live vote <strike>Democrat</strike> HUGO!</p> PW @4

Which explains why the GOP must crush him before all that free healthcare Hugo has been giving starts making his people live longer than us.
America would scream for National Healthcare then. I wonder how we are doing in infant mortality rates? The GOP always claimed to care about protecting the unborn but our infant mortality rates suck and if they were to go lower than Venezuela…well just what would the GOP say.
If your against parental Abortion vote GOP but if you want a child and you want that child to live vote Democrat HUGO!

]]> By: Elliott http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459004 Elliott Fri, 23 May 2008 19:35:18 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/violence-in-south-africa-courtesy-of-the-world-bank-and-imf/#comment-1459004 <p>I do believe that’s the very definition of “American Capitalism”</p> I do believe that’s the very definition of “American Capitalism”

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