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	<title>Comments on: Tell Congress To Investigate The Psyops Propaganda Generals</title>
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		<title>By: strider7</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/tell-congress-to-investigate-the-psyops-propaganda-generals/#comment-1459139</link>
		<dc:creator>strider7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Randy Newman puts it as well as anyone:&lt;br /&gt;
  Deep in the field a lone soldier stands&lt;br /&gt;
  With mud on his boots and blood on his hands&lt;br /&gt;
  They left him behind to bury the dead&lt;br /&gt;
  And to say a few words on behalf of the “leadership”&lt;br /&gt;
  Pardon me boys if I slip off my pack&lt;br /&gt;
  And sit for awhile with you, but i’d like to explain&lt;br /&gt;
  Why you fine young men had to be blown apart&lt;br /&gt;
  To defend this mudhole&lt;br /&gt;
  Now our country,though it’s quite far away&lt;br /&gt;
  Found itself jeopardized,endangered dear,&lt;br /&gt;
  By these very  gooks who lie here beside you&lt;br /&gt;
  Forever near, forever near&lt;br /&gt;
  I’d like to express my deep admiration for your&lt;br /&gt;
  For your courage under fire and you willingness to die&lt;br /&gt;
  For your country boys, we won’t forget we won’t forget&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Randy Newman puts it as well as anyone:<br />
  Deep in the field a lone soldier stands<br />
  With mud on his boots and blood on his hands<br />
  They left him behind to bury the dead<br />
  And to say a few words on behalf of the “leadership”<br />
  Pardon me boys if I slip off my pack<br />
  And sit for awhile with you, but i’d like to explain<br />
  Why you fine young men had to be blown apart<br />
  To defend this mudhole<br />
  Now our country,though it’s quite far away<br />
  Found itself jeopardized,endangered dear,<br />
  By these very  gooks who lie here beside you<br />
  Forever near, forever near<br />
  I’d like to express my deep admiration for your<br />
  For your courage under fire and you willingness to die<br />
  For your country boys, we won’t forget we won’t forget</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/tell-congress-to-investigate-the-psyops-propaganda-generals/#comment-1459124</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I hope I didn’t give you the impression that their testimonies were unimportant for god’s sake&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;oh no. just the opposite. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i was just trying to agree with you when you said:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;You really have to hand it to those guys who can get up there in front of the world and tell their stories without loosing it.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;and to express my gratitude for what they have done by testifying in such a powerful way. whatever atrocities they may (or may not) have participated in, nothing can take away from their courage and their desire to make things right now… for that they have my gratitude and my respect.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;wish i could say the same about my congress. but they don’t have the guts to question the generals - let alone spit on their shoes. (good for you!)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I hope I didn’t give you the impression that their testimonies were unimportant for god’s sake</p>
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<p>oh no. just the opposite. </p>
<p>i was just trying to agree with you when you said:</p>
<blockquote><p>You really have to hand it to those guys who can get up there in front of the world and tell their stories without loosing it.</p>
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<p>and to express my gratitude for what they have done by testifying in such a powerful way. whatever atrocities they may (or may not) have participated in, nothing can take away from their courage and their desire to make things right now… for that they have my gratitude and my respect.</p>
<p>wish i could say the same about my congress. but they don’t have the guts to question the generals &#8211; let alone spit on their shoes. (good for you!)</p>
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		<title>By: strider7</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/tell-congress-to-investigate-the-psyops-propaganda-generals/#comment-1459107</link>
		<dc:creator>strider7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 22:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The only thing I got out of VietNam was the privilage of spitting on a generals’ shoe.Believe me you ain,t shit until you’ve spit on a generals’ shoe&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I got out of VietNam was the privilage of spitting on a generals’ shoe.Believe me you ain,t shit until you’ve spit on a generals’ shoe</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/tell-congress-to-investigate-the-psyops-propaganda-generals/#comment-1459058</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Well said,&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is also, obviously, HUGE money to be made in ‘war’time.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In Vietnam, in Irak and, potentialy, in Iran …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe the message will get through, THIS time, strider …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Those of us of a certain age have blood enough on our hands …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the real supporters of war (with other people’s children, fathers, mothers, aunts and uncles) have NOTHING on their conscience at all … just obscene riches …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If ‘Murkah will not bring the WAR CRIMMINALS to justice, then we’ve also sold our soul … for a pittance, and lost our ‘democracy’ in the ‘bargain’ as well.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There MUST an accounting.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said,</p>
<p>There is also, obviously, HUGE money to be made in ‘war’time.</p>
<p>In Vietnam, in Irak and, potentialy, in Iran …</p>
<p>Maybe the message will get through, THIS time, strider …</p>
<p>Those of us of a certain age have blood enough on our hands …</p>
<p>But the real supporters of war (with other people’s children, fathers, mothers, aunts and uncles) have NOTHING on their conscience at all … just obscene riches …</p>
<p>If ‘Murkah will not bring the WAR CRIMMINALS to justice, then we’ve also sold our soul … for a pittance, and lost our ‘democracy’ in the ‘bargain’ as well.</p>
<p>There MUST an accounting.</p>
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		<title>By: strider7</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/tell-congress-to-investigate-the-psyops-propaganda-generals/#comment-1459039</link>
		<dc:creator>strider7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 21:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hope I didn’t give you the impression that their testimonies were unimportant for god’s sake.It’s one thing to aknowledge the roles that soldiers play,it’s another thing to ride on their names.To identify with them for political reasons.If these congressman were so god damned compasionate they’d stop this blood bath.Even now these soldiers are still pawns.Used for political recognition.&lt;br /&gt;
 Who’s gonna be there when they come to grips with what they’ve done for the name of democracy.They drank the kool aid and chose to go.Military psy-ops is a very effective form of propaganda.Not to mention the media,religon,peer presure and the rest.That’s exactly the point.&lt;br /&gt;
  After the sixties and Viet Nam,I seriously thought that it could never happen again.America became complacent and guess who was waiting in the wings? Cheney and Rumsfeld to fire up the military machine.&lt;br /&gt;
  It’s like you said,we have to find a way to stop the propaganda.We’re saturated with religous and political dogma,history is munipulated to fit the story.There’s big money in lies.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I didn’t give you the impression that their testimonies were unimportant for god’s sake.It’s one thing to aknowledge the roles that soldiers play,it’s another thing to ride on their names.To identify with them for political reasons.If these congressman were so god damned compasionate they’d stop this blood bath.Even now these soldiers are still pawns.Used for political recognition.<br />
 Who’s gonna be there when they come to grips with what they’ve done for the name of democracy.They drank the kool aid and chose to go.Military psy-ops is a very effective form of propaganda.Not to mention the media,religon,peer presure and the rest.That’s exactly the point.<br />
  After the sixties and Viet Nam,I seriously thought that it could never happen again.America became complacent and guess who was waiting in the wings? Cheney and Rumsfeld to fire up the military machine.<br />
  It’s like you said,we have to find a way to stop the propaganda.We’re saturated with religous and political dogma,history is munipulated to fit the story.There’s big money in lies.</p>
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		<title>By: DWBartoo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/tell-congress-to-investigate-the-psyops-propaganda-generals/#comment-1459025</link>
		<dc:creator>DWBartoo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Tell it, sporkovat!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;David, just a little bit more from the ‘people’ and Congress is going to get it?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress knows, quite clearly, as they have since 2006 exactly what the people want.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress does NOT want what the people want.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;That does not serve their (selfish, arrogant and greedy) interests.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, I know … they are ALL great and wonderful souls who are just a bit confused and a trifle spineless … we just need to make it worth their while … &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, David, we won’t give up or go away, but isn’t about time to rationally and reasonablly face the facts: Those who, supposedly, represent our interests are, generally, not concerned about what bothers us and they DO want us to STFU and go away …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The political class are covering their own … whatever letter (’D’ as well as ‘R’)is pinned to their too comfortable nickers and the only language which $peaks to them is preci$ely, and conci$ely, what sporkovat has $ugge$ted.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do you have, in the interest of truth, justice, and fair play, any compelling evidence, of any kind or sort, whatsoever, to suggest otherwise?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Surely, you do not think them stupid?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Perhaps you think them cowering and frightened victims of massive blackmail?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, we’ll keep trying to ‘reach’ them.  But, as you think just a wee tad bit more might make the difference, I’d like to know precisely and concisely, just why you think so.  As opposed to wishful thinking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And before you think a number of us simply cycnical, consider that true cynicism is having the power to do something but choosing, instead, to ‘game’ the ’system’ and do very well by your friends AND yourself.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;‘That’ is where Congress appears to be, so far as I am concerned.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m tired of excuses.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m tired of kabuki.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m tired of Congress being an equal part of ‘the problem’.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But mostly, I’m tired of hearing, ‘Just a little more will make ALL the difference …’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It will take a lot more, a whole lot more.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe a real depression …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe a ‘war’ with Iran …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe starvation in the streets …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe Bu$hvilles across the land …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Maybe even a ‘war’ right here (I know, impossible ‘Murkah is exceptional and ‘war’ happens to ‘other people’. Right…).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, quess what, David?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress still won’t ‘get it’ because they have no real idea, nor any genuine care about what has happened to the people, the Constitution, the nation or the world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If they did, then would we, collectively, be in this spot?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congress aids and abetts the madness …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Collectively, Congress has NOTHING of which to be proud, but much of which to be ashamed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of course, they don’t see it that way, do they?  What do you think they see?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell it, sporkovat!</p>
<p>So?</p>
<p>David, just a little bit more from the ‘people’ and Congress is going to get it?</p>
<p>Congress knows, quite clearly, as they have since 2006 exactly what the people want.</p>
<p>Congress does NOT want what the people want.</p>
<p>That does not serve their (selfish, arrogant and greedy) interests.</p>
<p>Oh, I know … they are ALL great and wonderful souls who are just a bit confused and a trifle spineless … we just need to make it worth their while … </p>
<p>No, David, we won’t give up or go away, but isn’t about time to rationally and reasonablly face the facts: Those who, supposedly, represent our interests are, generally, not concerned about what bothers us and they DO want us to STFU and go away …</p>
<p>The political class are covering their own … whatever letter (’D’ as well as ‘R’)is pinned to their too comfortable nickers and the only language which $peaks to them is preci$ely, and conci$ely, what sporkovat has $ugge$ted.</p>
<p>Do you have, in the interest of truth, justice, and fair play, any compelling evidence, of any kind or sort, whatsoever, to suggest otherwise?</p>
<p>Surely, you do not think them stupid?</p>
<p>Perhaps you think them cowering and frightened victims of massive blackmail?</p>
<p>Oh, we’ll keep trying to ‘reach’ them.  But, as you think just a wee tad bit more might make the difference, I’d like to know precisely and concisely, just why you think so.  As opposed to wishful thinking.</p>
<p>And before you think a number of us simply cycnical, consider that true cynicism is having the power to do something but choosing, instead, to ‘game’ the ’system’ and do very well by your friends AND yourself.</p>
<p>‘That’ is where Congress appears to be, so far as I am concerned.</p>
<p>I’m tired of excuses.</p>
<p>I’m tired of kabuki.</p>
<p>I’m tired of Congress being an equal part of ‘the problem’.</p>
<p>But mostly, I’m tired of hearing, ‘Just a little more will make ALL the difference …’</p>
<p>It will take a lot more, a whole lot more.</p>
<p>Maybe a real depression …</p>
<p>Maybe a ‘war’ with Iran …</p>
<p>Maybe starvation in the streets …</p>
<p>Maybe Bu$hvilles across the land …</p>
<p>Maybe even a ‘war’ right here (I know, impossible ‘Murkah is exceptional and ‘war’ happens to ‘other people’. Right…).</p>
<p>But, quess what, David?</p>
<p>Congress still won’t ‘get it’ because they have no real idea, nor any genuine care about what has happened to the people, the Constitution, the nation or the world.</p>
<p>If they did, then would we, collectively, be in this spot?</p>
<p>Congress aids and abetts the madness …</p>
<p>Collectively, Congress has NOTHING of which to be proud, but much of which to be ashamed.</p>
<p>Of course, they don’t see it that way, do they?  What do you think they see?</p>
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		<title>By: Elliott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elliott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cliff’s uptop with&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://cliffschecter.firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/is-john-mccain-as-healthy-as-the-media-is-saying/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Is John McCain As Healthy As The Media Are Saying?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cliff’s uptop with<br />
<a href="http://cliffschecter.firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/is-john-mccain-as-healthy-as-the-media-is-saying/" rel="nofollow">Is John McCain As Healthy As The Media Are Saying?</a></p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/tell-congress-to-investigate-the-psyops-propaganda-generals/#comment-1459019</link>
		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hear, here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, here.</p>
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		<title>By: selise</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/tell-congress-to-investigate-the-psyops-propaganda-generals/#comment-1459018</link>
		<dc:creator>selise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;strider7 - i can’t even imagine what it takes to do what they did last week in front of members of congress, the public and the cameras. imo, we betray them and dishonor their courage if we ignore what they have to say.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>strider7 &#8211; i can’t even imagine what it takes to do what they did last week in front of members of congress, the public and the cameras. imo, we betray them and dishonor their courage if we ignore what they have to say.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 20:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;“Just as Mcguire said, the American Liberty League was formed a few weeks later, and was on the front page of most New York and Washington D.C. papers. The American Liberty League read like a who’s who of corporate America. Some prominent capitalists that backed the American Liberty League were J.P. Morgan, The Warburg banking family , General Motors President John J. Rascob, President of Heinz inc. Howard Heinz, Irenee Du Pont, Nathan Miller from US Steel and many others. The plot was to receive financial backing particularly from J.P. Morgan banking.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now this is where the Bush Family comes in. Later in the McCormack-Dickstein Committee Hearings the Hamburg-American Line was accused and found guilty of &lt;strong&gt;providing free passage to Germany of U.S. Journalists to write favourable reports on Nazism &lt;/strong&gt;and is alleged to have brought Nazi spies and fascist sympathizers to the United States. Interestingly, the &lt;strong&gt;executive manager of the Hamburg-American line was none other than Prescott Bush, the grandfather of George W. Bush.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;After hearing the McCormack-Dickstein Committee Press Release on November 24th of 1934, General Butler accused the committee of editing out the names of the business people he had linked to the plot in his testimonies. In a radio interview on the 17th of February, 1935 Butler said of the committee, “Like most committees it has slaughtered the little and allowed the big sharks to escape. The big sharks weren’t even called to testify. They were all mentioned in the testimony, why was all mention of these names suppressed from the testimony?”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Of the American Liberty League, &lt;strong&gt;Roosevelt said, “They steal the livery of great national ideals to serve discredited special interests…. This minority in business and industry… engage in vast propaganda to spread fear and discord among the people. They would gang up against the people’s liberties…. They seek the restoration of their selfish power…Our resplendent economic aristocracy does not want to return to that individualism of which they prate, even though the advantages under that system went to the ruthless and the strong. They realize that in 34 months we have built up new instruments of public power. In the hands of a people’s government this power is wholesome and proper. But in the hands of political puppets of an economic aristocracy, such power would provide shackles for the liberties of the people. Give them their way and they will take the course of every aristocracy of the past – power for themselves, enslavement for the public.”&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.themormonworker.org/articles/issue3/the_facist_roots_of_corporate_america_and_the_bush_family.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.themormonworker.org.....family.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Just as Mcguire said, the American Liberty League was formed a few weeks later, and was on the front page of most New York and Washington D.C. papers. The American Liberty League read like a who’s who of corporate America. Some prominent capitalists that backed the American Liberty League were J.P. Morgan, The Warburg banking family , General Motors President John J. Rascob, President of Heinz inc. Howard Heinz, Irenee Du Pont, Nathan Miller from US Steel and many others. The plot was to receive financial backing particularly from J.P. Morgan banking.</p>
<p>Now this is where the Bush Family comes in. Later in the McCormack-Dickstein Committee Hearings the Hamburg-American Line was accused and found guilty of <strong>providing free passage to Germany of U.S. Journalists to write favourable reports on Nazism </strong>and is alleged to have brought Nazi spies and fascist sympathizers to the United States. Interestingly, the <strong>executive manager of the Hamburg-American line was none other than Prescott Bush, the grandfather of George W. Bush.</strong></p>
<p>After hearing the McCormack-Dickstein Committee Press Release on November 24th of 1934, General Butler accused the committee of editing out the names of the business people he had linked to the plot in his testimonies. In a radio interview on the 17th of February, 1935 Butler said of the committee, “Like most committees it has slaughtered the little and allowed the big sharks to escape. The big sharks weren’t even called to testify. They were all mentioned in the testimony, why was all mention of these names suppressed from the testimony?”</p>
<p>Of the American Liberty League, <strong>Roosevelt said, “They steal the livery of great national ideals to serve discredited special interests…. This minority in business and industry… engage in vast propaganda to spread fear and discord among the people. They would gang up against the people’s liberties…. They seek the restoration of their selfish power…Our resplendent economic aristocracy does not want to return to that individualism of which they prate, even though the advantages under that system went to the ruthless and the strong. They realize that in 34 months we have built up new instruments of public power. In the hands of a people’s government this power is wholesome and proper. But in the hands of political puppets of an economic aristocracy, such power would provide shackles for the liberties of the people. Give them their way and they will take the course of every aristocracy of the past – power for themselves, enslavement for the public.”</strong></p>
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