Comments on: Mac & The Knife http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/ Firedoglake weblog Fri, 27 Nov 2009 10:34:27 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Eli http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459558 Eli Sat, 24 May 2008 04:18:01 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459558 <p>I think we were on the same page to begin with. I don’t see what marginal benefit staying in the race gives her in that nightmare scenario. Who exactly is it that she’d be trying to stay in front of?</p> <p>There are three possible explanations for the RFK comment:</p> <p>1) Simple stupidity and epically poor judgment (if primaries extending into June are so common, was that *really* the best example she could think of?).</p> <p>2) Last-ditch attempt to scare people away from voting for Obama ‘cuz he might get shot.</p> <p>3) A reveal of her heretofore-secret “vice-nominee” strategy. Not only do I find the strategy implausible, but I find the idea that she would actually *admit* to such a strategy even more implausible.</p> <p>I don’t know for sure whether it’s 1 or 2, but it’s sure as hell not 3.</p> I think we were on the same page to begin with. I don’t see what marginal benefit staying in the race gives her in that nightmare scenario. Who exactly is it that she’d be trying to stay in front of?

There are three possible explanations for the RFK comment:

1) Simple stupidity and epically poor judgment (if primaries extending into June are so common, was that *really* the best example she could think of?).

2) Last-ditch attempt to scare people away from voting for Obama ‘cuz he might get shot.

3) A reveal of her heretofore-secret “vice-nominee” strategy. Not only do I find the strategy implausible, but I find the idea that she would actually *admit* to such a strategy even more implausible.

I don’t know for sure whether it’s 1 or 2, but it’s sure as hell not 3.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459548 cinnamonape Sat, 24 May 2008 04:10:41 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459548 <p>I should have made it clear that I was speaking about if she had suspended her campaign two months ago…or after Pennsylvania the likelihood of her winning the nomination would have been strong if something occurred that prevented the actual nominee (Obama) from continuing. She would have clearly have been the second choice of most Obama delegates, and the primary choice of her own. So why didn’t she drop out if this “backup” strategy was in her thoughts. </p> <p>But todays comment, and the inexplicability of continuing to run when there is no benefit is perplexing and confounding. There must be some other motivation…to either damage Obama so badly that he “becomes” unelectable to her supporters…which compels the Super Delegates to look to her. OR to taint Obama so badly that he fails to win in the General Election, opening the door to her running again in 2012.</p> I should have made it clear that I was speaking about if she had suspended her campaign two months ago…or after Pennsylvania the likelihood of her winning the nomination would have been strong if something occurred that prevented the actual nominee (Obama) from continuing. She would have clearly have been the second choice of most Obama delegates, and the primary choice of her own. So why didn’t she drop out if this “backup” strategy was in her thoughts.

But todays comment, and the inexplicability of continuing to run when there is no benefit is perplexing and confounding. There must be some other motivation…to either damage Obama so badly that he “becomes” unelectable to her supporters…which compels the Super Delegates to look to her. OR to taint Obama so badly that he fails to win in the General Election, opening the door to her running again in 2012.

]]> By: Prairie Sunshine http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459493 Prairie Sunshine Sat, 24 May 2008 03:36:55 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459493 <p>According to the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/" rel="nofollow">three-minutes-old article</a> on the NYT website,<br /> </p><blockquote> John McCain is in excellent health and shows no evidence of a recurrence of the melanoma that led to head and neck surgery in 2000, his doctors said.</blockquote> <p>*ahem* what about February?</p> <p>And what other scheiss are you trying to shovel at us, NYT????????</p> According to the three-minutes-old article on the NYT website,

John McCain is in excellent health and shows no evidence of a recurrence of the melanoma that led to head and neck surgery in 2000, his doctors said.

*ahem* what about February?

And what other scheiss are you trying to shovel at us, NYT????????

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459475 cinnamonape Sat, 24 May 2008 03:28:50 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459475 <p>My brother came back and had a bottle thrown at him from a passing car. He thought it was because he still had his hair shorn. But I have to admit I had something similar happen to me (a rock that actually hit me) two years later and I had a regular freak flag flying. He blamed hippies (though he later became one) and I blamed “the Fascists”.</p> My brother came back and had a bottle thrown at him from a passing car. He thought it was because he still had his hair shorn. But I have to admit I had something similar happen to me (a rock that actually hit me) two years later and I had a regular freak flag flying. He blamed hippies (though he later became one) and I blamed “the Fascists”.

]]> By: RevDeb http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459468 RevDeb Sat, 24 May 2008 03:24:45 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459468 <p>I wish. But the problem is that the dems started pandering to the religious folk back in the 06 cycle. The best answer to the religious questions is still what the repug. candidate, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKBJJ3Kh5Q4" rel="nofollow">Vinick said in the West Wing</a>.</p> I wish. But the problem is that the dems started pandering to the religious folk back in the 06 cycle. The best answer to the religious questions is still what the repug. candidate, Vinick said in the West Wing.

]]> By: Eli http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459464 Eli Sat, 24 May 2008 03:21:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459464 <p>Thanks, Peterr!</p> Thanks, Peterr!

]]> By: Eli http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459461 Eli Sat, 24 May 2008 03:18:33 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459461 <p>Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing, which is why this whole conversation has completely mystified me.</p> Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing, which is why this whole conversation has completely mystified me.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459459 cinnamonape Sat, 24 May 2008 03:18:21 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459459 <blockquote><p>Hey, Deb. Lots of pastors have been rejected lately, but I still want your endorsement. Just don’t talk to the media, okay?</p></blockquote> <p>Maybe this would have been the year that an atheist or agnostic could have done pretty well ;-)</p>

Hey, Deb. Lots of pastors have been rejected lately, but I still want your endorsement. Just don’t talk to the media, okay?

Maybe this would have been the year that an atheist or agnostic could have done pretty well ;-)

]]> By: Peterr http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459456 Peterr Sat, 24 May 2008 03:16:04 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459456 <p>Eli — </p> <p>Way late to the party, and now I can’t stay long . . . but this post is truly delightful. As one who is accustomed to dealing with people who have hyphenated names, they are justifiably offended if one part of their name is dropped off. No doubt the lobbyist-campaign manager, lobbyist-campaign advisor, lobbyist-reporter, and lobbyist-nursing communities are grateful for your consistent affirmation of both parts of their identity.</p> <p>Oh, and the “double pastorectomy” part is great, too.</p> Eli —

Way late to the party, and now I can’t stay long . . . but this post is truly delightful. As one who is accustomed to dealing with people who have hyphenated names, they are justifiably offended if one part of their name is dropped off. No doubt the lobbyist-campaign manager, lobbyist-campaign advisor, lobbyist-reporter, and lobbyist-nursing communities are grateful for your consistent affirmation of both parts of their identity.

Oh, and the “double pastorectomy” part is great, too.

]]> By: cinnamonape http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459455 cinnamonape Sat, 24 May 2008 03:15:35 +0000 http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/23/mac-the-knife/#comment-1459455 <p>In fact the idea that an event like that of Robert Kennedy’s tragic assassination would have NO RELEVANCE to her continued running. If something like that happened, an assassination or an accident, the likelihood would be that she’d be the strongest contender during a Convention. And that would have been true two months ago as it is today.</p> <p>The fact that Hillary’s using this argument is disingenuous as well as crass. Her entire motive is something else OTHER than this. She should be up front about what she’s doing.</p> In fact the idea that an event like that of Robert Kennedy’s tragic assassination would have NO RELEVANCE to her continued running. If something like that happened, an assassination or an accident, the likelihood would be that she’d be the strongest contender during a Convention. And that would have been true two months ago as it is today.

The fact that Hillary’s using this argument is disingenuous as well as crass. Her entire motive is something else OTHER than this. She should be up front about what she’s doing.

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