However, I will also predict that the subjects of this critique will simply dismiss it out of hand because, well, that's what they do with their critics. MM, of course, is just a bunch of dirty Naziesque liberals funded by George Soros, right? And now, I'm sure we can expect to see "open borders crowd" added to the list of pejoratives.
Well, Lou Dobbs had MM's Paul Waldman on his CNN program last night, and he did not of course disappoint. His defense rested almost entirely on dismissing Media Matters as a "left-wing" and "open borders" organization.
But what was surprising was how ugly and vicious Dobbs got. In the video above, you can see him leaning towards Waldman, baring his teeth in barely suppressed rage. I thought he might reach over and bite him.
Let's go to the transcript:
DOBBS: Let me ask you this. You're hooked up with the Congressional Hispanic Caucus. Media Matters is itself a left-wing organization. I mean, why -- what credibility do all of you have on this issue? Would you have any more credibility, for example, than the Chamber of Commerce and the Bush administration in proposing amnesty and open borders?
WALDMAN: Well, I know that's the kind of thing you've been saying about this for the last day or two. I heard on the radio today that you said I was out to lunch.
DOBBS: Were you actually out to lunch?
WALDMAN: Yes.
DOBBS: If I said it, but I don't recall saying it.
Right off the bat, Dobbs' argument rests on the ad hominem: They're a left-wing organization and therefore must not be credible. That is, the entire body of evidence they present can be dismissed because of their political orientation.
Most of all, Dobbs reflexively trots out the "open borders" canard; when the Southern Poverty Law Center criticized Dobbs, he attacked them with the same argument, even though the SPLC has never enunciated any position with regard to border security or general immigration policy. And the same is certainly true of Media Matters. The concern of both of them is the way people like Dobbs spread provably false information, based on falsehoods propagated by the racist and nativist right -- and of course, Dobbs simply won't address that issue.
And so it goes throughout the interview:
WALDMAN: Is there some kind of a document that they say this is going to go from Mexico to Canada? Because we looked around, and we tried to document...
DOBBS: Why did you not -- why did you not call? How can you call research -- if you didn't call this broadcast and ask us for these documents and ask us for the proof in the reporting...
WALDMAN: Do you have one?
DOBBS: Of course, we do.
WALDMAN: I would love to see -- because we looked around...
DOBBS: You are a left-wing advocacy group. You're charging nonsense.
WALDMAN: Lou...
DOBBS: And the only way to appease both you and the Congressional Hispanic Caucus would be for me to support illegal immigration and open borders. I reject it, I reject you, and I reject your position.
Now let's get to your report.
And then Dobbs just began filibustering and refused to let Waldman finish a single statement -- while accusing Waldman of filibustering. It's quite a performance:
WALDMAN: Lou, if I had my own television show, and I knew that there were extremist groups like the John Birch Society and white supremacist groups like the Council of Conservative Citizens that were cheering me on on their Web site, it would make me want to step back and say, "OK, what am I doing? How can I change to make sure that this debate is responsible in the way it could be?"
DOBBS: Do you like balance? Do you like balance? Do you like balance? Do you like balance?
WALDMAN: Balance is fine, Lou. But the question is whether or not the rhetoric is responsible and whether it's feeding into...
DOBBS: What have I ever said about illegal aliens? Have I said that illegal aliens, I think, are the most rational actors in this entire mess? Have I said that I have worked with and respect greatly illegal aliens? Have I not said I've got great respect for the work ethic, the family values of most illegal aliens working in this country.
Have I not said that their wages should be increased? Have I not said that we should come to terms with the reality and raise wages of illegal aliens working in fields?
Because you are an ideologue, and a left-wing hack, you will ignore the reality.
WALDMAN: Calling me names is the way to avoid talking about...
DOBBS: I'm talking to you, partner. And I'm telling you exactly. Respond to what I just said. I just...
WALDMAN: Absolutely. OK. So I'm...
DOBBS: Name one of them that you mentioned in your report.
This becomes the only other component of Dobbs' defense: That at some point, he actually said one or two fair things about illegal immigrants. But journalistically speaking, it's a defense that fails utterly.
If I write a book and 98 percent of it is good material, but 2 percent of it contains libelous and false material, perhaps plagiarized material taken from a white-supremacist website, then it should not surprise me if the public and critics decide to discard the remaining 98 percent as unreliable. Journalists should always strive for complete accuracy and reliable, responsible sourcing, and understand that when they fail, it mars the rest of their work -- and moreover, good journalists recognize that, cop to their mistakes, and move immediately to correct them.
But with Dobbs, the equation is actually reversed. His show is such a major font of misinformation on immigration that it's fair to say that probably only about 2 percent of it is either reliable or responsible. And Dobbs not only never cops to his mistakes -- he says he does, but in fact the record shows otherwise -- but he badgers and attacks the people who call him on them (see, for instance, his treatment of Mark Potok of the SPLC).
But then, this is how Dobbs operates, and how he is able to keep doing this schtick. His entire show, even when it's not talking about immigration, is all about drumming up Limbaughesque outrage -- everything on the planet, it seems, is a head-shaking outrage.
Too bad he can't look in the mirror and see that it's his own misbegotten reportage that is the outrage.
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Immigration- the topic with no end…
The people who are most pissed off about it have no workable solutions- millions of gallons of printer’s ink have been wasted on this road to no where….
The fact is- nothin’s gonna change.
good points. Loud Obbs runs a ridiculous and disgusting show.
but the first part of this paragraph is badly thought out:
If I write a book and 98 percent of it is good material, but 2 percent of it contains libelous and false material, perhaps plagiarized material taken from a white-supremacist website, then it should not surprise me if the public and critics decide to discard the remaining 98 percent as unreliable. Journalists should always strive for complete accuracy and reliable, responsible sourcing, and understand that when they fail, it mars the rest of their work — and moreover, good journalists recognize that, cop to their mistakes, and move immediately to correct them.
Dobbs has an ego problem, as is obvious.
taking Lou at his word is a Dobb’s un-choice.
Why poorly thought out? It’s a basic standard of reporting I hold myself to, at least, and so do a lot of journalists.
I bow to the master.
“But then, this is how Dobbs operates, and how he is able to keep doing this schtick. His entire show, even when it’s not talking about immigration, is all about drumming up Limbaughesque outrage — everything on the planet, it seems, is a head-shaking outrage.
Too bad he can’t look in the mirror and see that it’s his own misbegotten reportage that is the outrage.”
Unfortunately, that’s the state of teevee/radio news today. It’s all about ratings and picking fights and screaming and bullying. Many of us recognize this shtick for what it is, but many others don’t.
I wish Jon Stewart could appear on Dobbs’ show and tell him “he’s hurting America.”
:~)
how’d that darn apostrophe get in there?
Dobbs turned into a one trick pony a few years ago- is it enought to build a career on? I mean hating Mexicans.
So why is the “immigration” issue so emotional?
My guess is that, in part, it’s because people can’t stand to walk down the aisles of a supermarket and have conversations going on that they can’t understand.
The Treasure of the Sierra Madrassa:
scapegoat for freemarket
rwcole - one trick pony indeed - remembering how naive some of us were when he went off on Dubai Ports World . . .thinking it was anti-Bush when of course it was just anti-brown people . . .and some gal named Hamsher warning us off ol Lou
Hey–that sounds like a damn good story- we could have Dobbsie go- well jest a little whacko–could be good.
The secret to understanding these buffoons is not to analyze their political views- they don’t have any- it’s to analyze their ratings, without which they’d actually have to work for a living.
Dobbsie found a niche and he ain’t about ta give it up.
This is, of course, not a tenet of modern journalism, quite the opposite.
bingo.
Wow. Waldman’s good! The intellectual midget bullies like Dobbs and Bill O’Loofah count on being able to fluster any critic the “face.” It often works for them since guests on their shows are quite nervous since they’re not on TV that much, if at all.
Waldman, by remaining calm and collected, and being prepared, exposed more of the inner workings of Lou’s head, and it’s not a pretty picture. Waldman needs to be on TV more often, just like Jane, Christy, and Cliff Schecter.
Off Topic:
http://freewayblogger.blogspot.....today.html
Really big sign in SF.
The corporatization of the media has led to the structuring of its news divisions as infotainment. They are encouraged to spout Republican talking points because Republicans are seen to be more friendly to corporate goals. Buffoonery is encouraged too because it is inoffensive, distracts, and builds ratings.
Dobbsie gives people who find Mexicans annoying a place to go everyday to hear “their” issue discussed. America- what a place- thanks ta the free enterprise system, everyone can find their particular annoyance bandied about innanely.
nice work, sp
I sometimes see evidence of gooperism sneaking into the editorial content of the media- but I’m not sure Dobbsie is an example. I think he invented this act all on his own.
Wonder how it affects CNN’s Hipanic market share?
If I have any criticism of Waldman, it’s that he almost gave Dobbs too much credit for his reportage and his “responsibility.” The fact is that Dobbs is consistently irresponsible, especially by basic journalistic standards, and his reportage on immigration has been so misbegotten that the only credit he deserves is for worsening the state of our discourse on it.
OT:
TPM
shorter version: “gee, it sure would be a shame if something happened to your campaign…”
I haven’t listened to Dobbs for a long time- but as I recall he goes after employers hard.
Lou dobbs says illegal immigrants “being rescued” in LA is a “positive story.” That’s not positive. That’s gratuitous, pat your self on the backiness in the face of ICE deaths.
Positive stories would have profiles of towns that were made richer culturally because of immigrants.
Have we finally realized that Lou and comedian Limpbone are clones??
WHEN is Ailes gonna hire him OR does LouLou already work for him on a “consultant” basis??
Dobbs may have created his act but it echoes the anti-immigrant wing of the Republican Party and it sells. If Dobbs threatened or was seen to threaten the mother corporation in any way, he would be history. But since he rails against those who have little say in our society, that’s OK.
LOL. What can I say? How classy.
Types like Lou Dobbs forget how academia in particular benefitted greatly from WWII refugees escaping Europe and Asia. Types like Lou Dobbs also forget that a whole new generation of academics was created by the GI Bill. Those who had no means to go to school formerly, could finally do so.
This is repugnant.
Types like Lou Dobbs also forget a whole new generation of anti-commie republikans came from the Vietnamese communities.
Urghh! Lou Dobbs. What a vampire. I have to go out now. I never watch the show because I want to throw my fist through the tv screen. I have to take a few deep breaths before I can drive.
Choi Duk!
Are those new?
Something has looked weird about him for weeks now, and I couldn’t quite figure it out.
Maybe those choppers are newly capped!
For that ‘extra fierce’ look.
He’s been pissed ever since the dot com bubble burst and took Space.com (the company he left ‘Moneyline’ for) with it.
He was gonna be an internet gazillionaire, but now he’s gotta get by on a couple of million a year like everybody else, and he’s pissed.
And, of course, someone must be to blame for this so why not them Mexicans?
Dobbs is a nauseating, bullying, uber-egotistical idiot…period.
OT- Is anybody else having a hard time logging onto Balloon Juice?
You could see Waldman was holding back and biting his tongue. Seems like he made a tactical decision to do that, since Lou was freakin out so much already with hardly any pressure from Waldman.
I gotta think Lou might’ve dropped down a notch or two in some viewers’ eyes, and that they might check out Media Matters now. Of course, I also believe in fairies and unicorns.
When I was a kid, I was taught that interrupting someone was a very rude thing to do. With these winger guys, it’s their stock-in-trade. How any of the folks on our side go on one of these shows and don’t get booked for assault is beyond me. I’d just have to deck the guy.
Aggression and threatened violence is a basic part of their rhetoric and presentation. Hannity, Billo, Rush Dobbs, what makes execs think this is must-see TV?
Blue Texan has a brand new post up entitled “McCain: Only Veterans Can Talk About Military Matters”.
punaise, both you and Hugh are being real meanies … today.
Inevitably, Hillary is our fate. Inevitably, Hillary is our future …
But, then, again you inevitably make everything Hilarious …
Even political ‘black-mail’, which is as ‘Murkan as Rhubarb pie-sicles.
The price of ‘cooperation’ and principle is whatever the sit-you-ay-shun requires.
(It took a while to recover, and clean the iced tea off the screen, the walls and the ceiling, when my chair fell over, backwards, but I should never, ever, read your comments unless I have ahold of something that won’t fall over, and NEVER when I have liquids in my hand or nearby)
I find it rather funny. Obama has raised somewhere around $250 million so far this primary season, and the overwhelming majority of it from small, first time donors. Nothing in history even comes close to these numbers, all while actively campaigning against the BigMoney “Dems.” Un-freakin-real.
Hassan Nemazee and his minions are irrelevant now, and they don’t like it. They’re used to being able to threaten people with their checkbooks. Not anymore. Good riddance.
guess that makes us screening meanies… :~)
Toobular wisdoms, more like, me thinks.
If you know what I meanie?
I raise high my (empty) glass … in praise, of the most-hilarious … and wise … punaise and, also, to Hugh whose words and wit are equally … true.
;~D
Exactly. This is the second kick at the can for these guys. Hamad tried to bribe the young democrats with $1 million last week. Obama doesn’t need them. I’ve held back my $1,000 contribution until the Generals, and I bet there’s a lot of people like me who are holding their ammunition for the big battle ahead. The old donors are history. They will have to go back to bribing congressmen.
cheers backatcha, DWB
Yep. And it was a smart tactical decision, actually, on Waldman’s part.
But if you believe in fairies and unicorns, you should go check out the comments at YouTube on that video. It’s all “Lou was TEH AWESUM!@#$!”
Bigotry has a new name: Lou Dobbs!
Never met an immigrant he didn’t hate. According to him, all of US problems are the fault of immigrants.
He left out that some of his best friends are illegal aliens.