His Mavericity distanced himself this week from the endorsement he begged off of John Hagee, saying he didn’t realize that Hagee held extreme views.
John McCain on Thursday rejected the endorsement of televangelist John Hagee after it was reported that the pastor once argued the Nazis operated on God’s behalf to root out Jews in Europe and get them to Palestine. McCain’s rejection of Hagee was followed by the pastor’s withdrawal of his endorsement of the Arizona senator. Hagee had said in March that McCain sought his endorsement, but McCain has found himself repudiating a number of controversial remarks made by the minister since then. The rejection was made after comments were unearthed on various Web sites. Hagee is quoted as saying Adolf Hitler hunted Jews in an effort to expedite their establishment of the state of Israel. "Obviously, I find these remarks and others deeply offensive and indefensible, and I repudiate them," McCain said in a statement issued Thursday. "I did not know of them before Rev. Hagee’s endorsement, and I feel I must reject his endorsement as well." Hagee countered by saying that his records have been combed by McCain critics and misrepresented to harm the presumptive Republican presidential nominee.
The rhetoric in Hagee’s book, and his discussion of it in Christian media outlets, is absolutist. He speaks not only of good against evil, believer against nonbeliever, Judeo-Christian civilization against Islamic civilization, but of an American-Israeli alliance against the rest of the world. He plays on conservative disdain for anything European, while promoting the Bush unilateralist mentality that has had catastrophic results in Iraq. Naturally, he expresses contempt for the possibilities offered by diplomacy, calling the U.N. Security Council "a joke." Lapin says "Pastor Hagee has a very realistic understanding of the United Nations and recognizes it as unlikely to be any more helpful in this looming tension than it has been in any other in the past." He paints Russia and China — two members of the Security Council resisting sanctions on Iran — as America’s enemies, adding that Russia has helped Iran build long-range missiles that could reach New York City. (Those don’t exist, either.)
In Hagee’s telling, Israel has no choice but to strike at Iran’s nuclear facilities, with or without America’s help. The strike will provoke Russia — which wants Persian Gulf oil — to lead an army of Arab nations against Israel. Then God will wipe out all but one-sixth of the Russian-led army, as the world watches "with shock and awe," he says, lending either a divine quality to the Bush administration phrase or a Bush-like quality to God’s wrath.
But Hagee doesn’t stop there. He adds that Ezekiel predicts fire upon those who "live in security in the coastlands." From this sentence he concludes that there will be judgment upon all who stood by while the Russian-led force invaded Israel, and issues a stark warning to the United States to intervene: "Could it be that America, who refuses to defend Israel from the Russian invasion, will experience nuclear warfare on our east and west coasts?" He says yes, citing Genesis 12:3, in which God said to Israel: "I will bless those who bless you, and I will curse him who curses you."
To fill the power vacuum left by God’s decimation of the Russian army, the Antichrist — identified by Hagee as the head of the European Union — will rule "a one-world government, a one-world currency and a one-world religion" for three and a half years. (He adds that "one need only be a casual observer of current events to see that all three of these things are coming into reality.") The "demonic world leader" will then be confronted by a false prophet, identified by Hagee as China, at Armageddon, the Mount of Megiddo in Israel. As they prepare for the final battle, Jesus will return on a white horse and cast both villains — and presumably any nonbelievers — into a "lake of fire burning with brimstone," thus marking the beginning of his millennial reign.
and that’s not just apocalypse now. That’s apocalypse not quite soon enough for Pastor Hagee
Besides his million-dollar compensation package, Hagee has a portfolio of other ventures, including a cattle ranch in south Texas that may have religious significance. Many evangelicals believe that the arrival of a "perfect red heifer" will signal the end times. In the Old Testament, burning a red heifer and sprinkling its ashes is described as a purification ritual for priests entering the temple. Ultra-orthodox Jews believe that the birth of a modern perfect red heifer will herald the arrival of the messiah, leading to a confrontation with Muslims over the Temple Mount, where Jews believe the Temple will be rebuilt. Some evangelicals likewise regard the red heifer as a harbinger of the ultimate showdown at the Temple Mount, which they believe will be the site of the Second Coming. And they believe that time is near.
To many other observers, the advent of the red heifer threatens to provoke a violent struggle for control of the Temple Mount, with worldwide repercussions. In the late 1990s, a group of unidentified Texas ranchers reportedly bred a perfect red heifer, which generated excitement in evangelical circles until the animal sprouted some black hairs.
Six years ago, the John C. Hagee Royalty Trust paid more than $5.5 million for a 7,600-acre ranch in Brackettville, Texas, where cattle are raised in a venture with the Texas Israel Agricultural Research Foundation, a nonprofit outfit operated by the pastor
K. Hagee wants to bring about the end times by, um, bomb bomb bombing Iran, unless he can get God to do it for him through creative animal husbandry.
Coincidence, I guess. How would McCain have heard about Hagee’s deranged views?
On Purim, the Jewish holiday that celebrates the day Queen Esther saved the Jews from annihilation, Trinity Broadcasting Network’s flagship talk show, Praise the Lord, featured an appearance by Rabbi Daniel Lapin. A politically conservative Orthodox rabbi, Lapin is best known for crusading with the Christian right against anti-religion bigotry and, more recently, for his close association with the convicted super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff. But he was not invited to a nationwide telecast to discuss such topics as the trumped-up war against religion or the better nature of his fallen friend. He had been asked to explain the significance of Purim to Christians, and particularly how the Old Testament’s Book of Esther "serves as a roadmap to reality," which pinpoints where the next world "hot spot" will be.
That soon-to-be-flaming location is where the Book of Esther was set: namely Persia, or in modern parlance, Iran.
Seated beside Lapin in the ornately gilded Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) studio was Pastor John Hagee, the author of an incendiary new book purporting to show that the Bible predicts a military confrontation with Iran. By then, Hagee’s book, Jerusalem Countdown, had sold nearly 500,000 copies. It had occupied the No. 1 position on the Wal-Mart inspirational best-seller list, showed up on Wal-Mart’s list of top 10 best sellers for seven weeks, and made the USA Today top 50 best-seller list for six weeks.
Hagee, who serves as head pastor of the 18,000-member Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas, hosts his own television program that is seen twice a day on TBN. He argues that the United States must join Israel in a pre-emptive military strike against Iran to fulfill God’s plan for both Israel and the West. Shortly after the release of his book last January, he launched Christians United for Israel (CUFI), a lobbying organization intended, he says, to be a Christian version of the powerful American Israel Public Affairs Committee. With CUFI, which Hagee has said will cause a "political earthquake," the televangelist aims to put the political organizing muscle of the conservative evangelical movement behind his grand plan for a biblically prophesied end-time confrontation with Iran, which will lead to the Rapture, Tribulation, and Second Coming of Christ.
At CUFI’s kick-off banquet at the Washington Hilton, attended by over 3,500 members, Republican support for both Hagee’s effort and his drumbeat for war with Iran were on full view. Republican National Committee Chair Ken Mehlman told the group that "no regime is more central to the global jihad" than Iran. Just two days before, Newt Gingrich and John McCain made the rounds of the Sunday talk shows to sound the same message, leading Benny Elon, a member of the Israeli Knesset, to comment to the Jerusalem Post that their remarks originated with Hagee. Rick Santorum and Sam Brownback also addressed the group, and Bush sent words of support to the gathering. Republicans, and even some Democrats, spoke at CUFI events to show their "support for Israel." But while public and media attention was on the fighting between Israel and Hezbollah, Hagee’s focus continued to be on Iran.
While the crisis at the Israel-Lebanon border drew more mainstream media attention to CUFI’s activities, Hagee’s supporters have long known that leading Republicans are listening. Rabbi Daniel Lapin, a prominent Jewish ally of the evangelical right (and friend of Jack Abramoff) has said that Hagee "without question, yes, absolutely" has the ear of the White House. Hagee’s annual Night to Honor Israel at his church has drawn prominent Republicans, including Tom DeLay, who was the keynote speaker in 2002.
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While Washington insiders wonder what it means when Republicans like Mehlman and presidential aspirants Gingrich and McCain finger Iran as the central player in an epic clash of civilizations, Hagee already has spent months mobilizing the shock troops in support of another war. As diplomats, experts and pundits debate how many years Iran will need to develop a viable nuclear weapon, Hagee says the mullahs already possess the means to destroy Israel and America. And although Bush insists that diplomatic options are still on the table, Hagee has dismissed pussyfooting diplomacy and primed his followers for a conflagration.
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The CUFI board of directors includes the Rev. Jerry Falwell, former Republican presidential candidate and religious right activist Gary Bauer, and George Morrison, pastor of the 8,000-member Faith Bible Chapel in Arvada, Colo., and chairman of the board of Promise Keepers. Rod Parsley, the Ohio televangelist who is rapidly becoming a major political player in the Christian right, signed on to be a regional director. [Gee, wonder who they endorsed?]
For Hagee’s new project, his influence in Washington is probably less important than his influence over his audience. With the clout of his listeners, he can serve Bush administration hawks by firing up grassroots support for a military strike against Iran. Over 700,000 people purchased his book, "Jerusalem Countdown," and countless more have heard him promote it on Christian radio and television programming. Dramatic, doomsday advertising has been heard by listeners of Christian media as well as on Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly’s radio programs. The pages of "Jerusalem Countdown" provide a peculiar mix of biblical prophecy, purported inside information from Israeli government officials and a mixed-up, pared-down lesson in nuclear physics.
"I wrote this book in April 2005, and when people read it, they will think I wrote it late last night after the FOX News report," says the author without a trace of irony. "It’s that close to where we are and beyond."
So McCain rejects Hagee because of the comments about the jews he’d supposedly never heard about.
Apparently the whole bringing about the end of the world thing is cool.
Nice.
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I’m sorry I’m late…
na the post have been coming pretty fast today…..
Hi Julia!
hey julia
Hi Newt, Hi Julia, Hi Katy,
Did y’all catch Olbermann tonight?
I took a nap after work and the kid thought she was doing me a favor by not waking me up when I asked her to (it’s been a long two weeks at work).
You too, Suzanne.
Gee whiz, where are my manners. Newt Katy Suz hi!
I’m terrible when I first wake up.
Twice…. the weird part was the big bang during the comment….. KO even flinched….. sure that something in the studio went boom but…. here he is raging about assassination and that sound…
Who was on?
i’ve had those kinda ‘favors’ done to me.
usually not a pleasant outcome when going from sound asleep to wide awake panic at the time
all right…. getting those shoes on to walk Miss Dog…. now she is on the other side of the sofa pouting….
Special Comment about Senator Clinton’s meltdown and exit from the race.
julia… do you not think the pastor problem is going to go away for mcsame now that he has denounced and rejected? or was this one of them public denouncements and the relationships continue… away from the prying eyes of we the people.
Yeah, well, she meant well, but flop sweat isn’t really my mode for a Friday night…
S’OK, Julia. Dave N. just warned everyone that FDL will be in a different universe for a few hours, so we’ve had something to obsess about.
Anyway, sorry for just glancing over the ravings of this guy, but I learned a long time ago that what lessons folks choose to pull out of their holy books tells you a lot more about them than it does about their religions. This guy’s a lunatic, and it’s sad that so many ignorant people (apparently) look up to him.
Now that Cindy’s released her tax returns, will she be the next McCain loyalist to be denounced and rejected by Old Lord McCain? Or will it be uber-lobbyist Charlie Black or Rick Davis?
Seriously, the senior Senator from Arizona is proving to have no loyalty at all when it comes to sticking with folks who got him this far. I don’t think that’s an honorable quality in a President.
is this the daughter you have been attending cooking school with?
Olbermann had a special comment where he took Hillary to task for her comment today in Souix City that she didn’t see why she should withdraw now, given that Bobby Kennedy wasn’t assassinated until June in 1968, or words to that effect.
John McCain: Just. Too. Damn. Extreme.
The problem with Hagee isn’t so much his religious beliefs as the fact that he’s genuinely willing to bring the world to an end over them, and he apparently has a “serious” (that word!) voice in US foreign policy with first Bush and now McCain.
Suz, I have to hope that at least the even-the-liberals realize that hawks can’t live on a cinder, but it didn’t seem to have sunk in by ‘04 and ‘06.
I was going to say something, but it seems Satan is suing me for defamation of character.
hey Teddy….. get a load to this …
McCain Phoenix Fund raiser moved due to anti-war protest
Indeed. Although as long as everything’s in Cindy’s name, I very much doubt he’s going to distance himself from her in public.
Hey just heard from CTuttle … His computer is down and is Bummed out…. no spare pc, trying to find him a new power supply for it…. hope that is the problem and not the mother board:>(
Well gotta go for now….center cut pork chops on the grill….
Yep, although we have this week off. I’ve just arranged to be class mother for the Ellis Island trip, though, and the trip to the Museum of Modern Art, so I’m pretty much going to start twitching now and avoid the rush.
she only released 2006. Odd.
Aw.
Hey, C (waves)
It was a slow year for write-offs.
i thought she released only one year (2006) tax return… is that wrong?
sending ct warm positive healing computer thoughts…
it sucks being pooterless
Go Raging Grannies!
(Hello, Julia — wonderful post. What despicable ideas some people have about how the world should be, all in the name of their faith!)
brave woman
I think his religious beliefs are the problem. If his were scientific, or even political beliefs, people would demand that he prove what he’s saying. But since they’re religious in nature, no one will demand he prove a thing. They’re his religious beliefs, so we have to respect them, or so the thinking seems to go.
She got an extension for 2007, which means they’ll need filing in August, right? Just before the convention. I’m sure the barbecue crew won’t press her to release them, though.
From what I’ve read, her non-salary income from real estate and investments is lumped in a $4,500,000 line. Nice specificity there, Cindy.
What a trollop.
Medium-rare, please. Jeez…
why was 2005 not released? or 2004?
Appologies for following up my own comment. KO now has a diary up at Dkos regarding his tonight’s Special Comment about Hillary. It now has 1185 comments!
Go Granny, Go Granny, Go Granny, Go.
EPU’d from a couple of threads ago. The best response I’ve heard to date re religion and the political race came from the West Wing (natch). The repug candidate Vinick handled it beautifully.
extensions for federal returns are until october 15th
it’s only the peasants like us that have to itemize.
What confuses me is that Hagee has allies like Mr. Abramoff’s (and that nice Mr. Medved’s) partner Rabbi Lapin, who knows perfectly well that he thinks that in the coming apocalypse 2/3 of jews will die and the rest convert, and _he wants that to happen_ and still somehow sees him as a friend of Israel and, say, anyone who wants to talk to the arab world as an antisemite.
But at what point do non-batshit-crazy Fundamentalists cringe from his messianic visions?
There must be a few out there.
I think it’s opposite – I think McCain is perhaps the worst thing that could have happened to Hagee.
Evening everyone! Seems to me one of two things happened here. 1)McCain did not vet either of these wackjob ministers before grovelling on bended knee to get their endorsement. His only focus was to shore up the fundy base and these guys were the way to do it. It’s not like this information was hard to find. 2)These ministers were vetted, the campaign knew that there was plenty of inflammatory rhetoric in their backgrounds, but they went ahead anyway. Maybe they figured that the lapdog media would let it slide, or maybe they thought that since it was white fundy preachers it would be ok. Either way shows a considerable lack of common sense and a simple ability to think ahead to see where potential problems might lie.
OT, but….
Just in case anyone was wondering who first punctured Mr. Obama’s air of inevitability suit way back in late February, it wasn’t the Canuckistanian Conservative government*.
How do we, the Canuckistanian people, know this?
Because our government just told us so.
_____
*junior Luntzian edition
.
They consider him a “useful idiot,” as the upper class of Germany considered Hitler.
Hey, madmommy.
Hagee actually wrote a book endorsing Bush in ‘00 (God’s candidate for president, he called Our Fearless Leader) and he was one of Time’s top 25 evangelicals as chosen by their political influence with the Republican party, so considering that McCain’s campaign is being run by the orts and leavings of Bush’s campaign it’s hard to believe he didn’t know exactly what he was walking into.
I just think he doesn’t believe in so much of what he’s saying to get elected that he doesn’t see this as any different.
dugg
I don’t think we have to choose between the two. I think both are operative. McSame has been coated pretty well with Teflon. And he needs the whack jobs to support him. That’s all the base they have left.
My mind is reeling at the thought of unpacking the Godwinian implications of that statement ;)
Enough for the night.
May the new servers serve us well.
Night all.
Speaking as someone who has a strictly secular outlook, this doesn’t surprise me so much. I know perfectly well the end times aren’t coming, at least not in any way remotely envisioned by these wackos. If I were Rabbi Lapin, with his particular priorities, I’d be happy to have him pushing the US’s Middle East policy in the direction I wanted. Assuming Lapin doesn’t think they’re right either, it would make sense.
In short, Wigwam’s right.
Speaking of his teflon coating, what’s the story on the medical records release today? The 3 hour, no copies, strictly limited access medical records release, might I add. WTF is he hiding? It’s as obvious as can be! And Cindy releases one year of returns on the same day? Uh huh…
I agree that’s the question. And, I tend to think it’s neither of those. IMHO, Saint John McCain is out of his mind, and it’s not a matter of age. This fool doesn’t know on Thursday what his position was on Tuesday. Nor does he care. Nor does he think his staff should care. (But they’re living in horror of all this.)
And, it’s only going to get worse; much, much worse.
g’nite revdeb (and any other leaving sleepy pup i may have missed)
I suppose if political power is Hagee’s objective, then you’re right. If his objective is just to make a good living while he’s waiting on the Rapture, he’ll be able to carry on, I suspect.
Yeah, you’re right, but I still have a reflexive assumption that anyone who wants me dead as soon as possible is anti-me, even if we don’t like the same people.
ungodly of me, I guess.
Of course the million vote question is, if there’s no focused coverage of his diminished capactiy, and the media continues to cover for him and explain away inconsistencies, will he be able to get away with it. So far it’s worked pretty good. He’s taken some heat, but nothing on the scale that either Dem candidate would have taken for the same gaffes. And it seems like he’s stepping in it pretty much daily.
You should probably check out Cliff Schecter’s article before FDL steps through the looking glass at 10PM PDT. Assuming you haven’t already, of course.
I think I’ll pick curtain number two.
They vetted them. They thought no one would ever dare to bring it up.
True, but Hagee’s apparently willing to leave bringing about that state of affairs to the Bearded Fella In The Sky. And as fans of the Old Testament know, that ain’t gonna happen to the Israelites.
Hey Julia and Firedogs,
epu’d
left a light on for y’all if ya need it
see everyone tomorrow.
Thanks and goodnight, cbl2.
Agreed! The guy is barking mad.
In his last debate, Ronald Reagan all but drooled on himself, and his spin doctors were able to “explain it away.” McCain’s spin dooctors will not have it so easy, because now we have the Internet!
Hagee dumped his wife for a much younger woman too. Maybe they just bonded.
thanks!
Are McCain’s doctors survivors of the Polyp-Amnesian Wars?
Hiya Margot!
Yet again, the Elmer Gantry syndrome.
I’m way behind on my blog linkage; kids began summer vacation, hubby decided to take a long weekend and we got a new kitten yesterday. I am scattered, to say the least!
so he’s thrown Hagee under the bus but Parsley’s still his spirital advisor? Doesn’t go very far to convince anybody that he’s not bought and paid for by the American taliban, does it?
He chucked the garnish last night, too.
I’ve spent the last three weeks with very little Internet access. I feel like I’m still getting caught up.
i heard he dumped parsley last night too
The Phoenix Business Journal says the Bush-McCain Fundraiser
was cancelled because a) ticket sales were crap, b) there were threatened protests, and c) the media coverage might not be “generous” (in showing large protests outside and Bush speaking to a cavernous vacuum within, I suppose).
sorry.. guess I need to keep up with the news a bit better :P
Where’s punaise — he could riff on “parsley, hagee, rosemary and thyme”
He waited until the news cycle had absorbed (and was spinning) the Hagee denouncement – a drop-in to be sure.
Well, that settles it for me … /s
Evenin’ all !
I think the news are proving that they’re willing to cover for him. See Kirk Murphy’s reaction to a WaPo article I read today. That piece of nonsense basically said that McCain was just fine, and that there was no cause for concern. As Kirk, and anyone who’s the least bit familiar with PTSD knows, that’s hogwash. At the very least, there’s always cause for concern. What’s more, as Kirk relates, it’s pretty clear that McCain has shown some of the symptoms.
Punaise was wonderful on Eli’s thread tonight!
Oh, that makes me happy. Bush and McCain can’t find enough Republicans to fill up a fundraiser in Arizona?
My dawning hope this cycle is that the usual suspects have decided that they’d rather go into the wilderness than give McCain the power to pay off old scores, real and imagined.
Yes he was. Hi Chris!
Hey, so long as he keeps the BBQ coming it’s all good, nothing to worry about! As soon as I saw the conditions attached to the records release I smelled a rat. IIRC last time around he was very forthcoming with the information, what has changed since then?
Going through it now … priceless !
Hi Chris, LL, and everyone, commenting or just reading.
Hey LL,
I laughed my patootie off! That Eli and Punaise are so funny. The rest, not so funny.
So Johnny Boy only allows reporters, not trained in medicine, a sniff at nearly a thousand pages of his medical records for about three hours. And what the reporters saw indicates that what they were shown were not the complete records and that they had been combed over to extricate any ones that mighgt raise issues.
Now Cindy tries to hide the business connections in her tax returns.
The reason that one requires these records is not to discern HOW RICH SHE IS…it’s to discern whether or not there are any conflicts of interest that her husband might be involved in. That requires the full disclosure of the details of what these real estate deals are, what firms she is invested with, and what she she declared as deductions (e.g. losses due to John’s use of her private jet, vehicles, etc.). Did she lobby Congress and write off these as business expenses?
And the beer and liquor industry is rather hardy…why only release this year of the returns? Could it be that that year was the “cleanest” and the least extravagant in terms of income of the lot?
Goodbye Hillary, you freak! Wow, Olberman really eviscerated her tonight. So, how many “Special Comments” on outrageeous HRC campaigning does this make?
Hey Margot :-)
The Anti-war community here in AZ have been planning a huge protest…. people were coming from out of state and we were told that the secret service were very concerned about the protest and changed the venue….
bom dia pups
been sick (still sick) so i’m just reading
great posts today (though I slept through all the rfk-hillary brouhaha)
feel better soon wobbly
((((( Margot )))))
“John Are You Going On Joe Scarborough’s Fair?”
OT: I’m a bit surprised at the uproar over Hillary’s “assassination” comments. Yes, they were tasteless, but they were pretty much on par with a lot of other things she’s said in this campaign. Is this just the last straw, or is this something that just resonates a lot more with those who remember the RFK assassination (like, for example, all of those undecided superdelegates)?
Bom dia wobbs, hope you start to feel better soon :-)
Glad to be of service…
.
I like it!
thanks…drinking the nasty tea concoction to hasten my recovery
((((( WB )))))
Sorry to hear, until we both know ‘getting sick’ can be very healing in the long run …
This is remarkably similar to a news conference I remember reading about having to do with weapons that Iran was supposedly providing to insurgents in Iraq. Just a quick look and a few slides to take home. No experts allowed, of course. Their contention, which is that only a country like Iran could have provided the know how to make such things, was specious, but none of the reporters allowed to see the stuff could have known that without doing some research.
I guess Harper (and his Neocon friends) think we’re going to roll over like the American public did for BushCo … he’s got another think coming …
There are lines, and then there are lines.
And then there’s just plain crazy from panic and exhaustion.
yes and that is why you will not hear me complain. my body is purging something (would also explain my mood)
Correction: “although” not “until” … putting down Cognac …
Working from home I listen a lot to progressive radio…. either online or broadcast….have heard a lot of Africa-Americans who were hesitant to vote for Obama and most expressed their fear of assassination or that something would happen to him.
The moment he announced his candidacy, the death threats started….. to me this is like yelling fire in a theater…. just something you do not do…. I think that it is the last straw…. did you see KO’s special comment?
Its over at Americablog for anyone who has not seen it
((( Petro ))) I was thinking about you earlier this evening…was drinking some “Yogi” brand ginger tea ;-)
I like this bit from the Phoenix Bz Journal:
Huh? That means that neither side wanted the media there…and why does McCain like to hide his appearances with donors?
Organs? Or Dicks?
And Whoooaaaaa Nelly! Isn’t the limit on contributions $4800? So is Mr. “Campaign Finance Law” throwing money into 527 Groups that are not supposed to be “coordinated” with his campaign in any way? So he’s raising money for them?
LOL … lemme guess, it’s thrice the price of regular Tea but claims to be organic or some such thing … ((((( LL )))))
KO’s Special comment for Hillary in case you missed it tonight…. enjoy if you haven’t!!
Don’t forget rest and vitamins.
somewhere I read that the money over the $2300 gets bundled to the RNC when then can be sent back to McBush from the party….. it is the Tom Delay hinky but kind of legal money shifting
I don’t think it was exhaustion, HRC has been making a lot of ridiculous comments and KO listed all of them tonight …
Great post, Julia.
Uh…where was John the last years? Learning new pudendal epithets to hurl at Cindy? Practicing for the Rapture? Sitting in Vicky’s jump seat?
(((wobbly)))
(((wobbly’s innards)))
Yea, must have been, like, 11pm or so. Ask Bill.
I am not a Clinton hater, but I think her campaign has stunk for a long time. KO tonight made the attack ad I daydreamed today Obama would release.
((( kirk )))
Your thoughts on McCain’s medical files … or have you already written about this earlier ?
Oh boa noite, querida, been worried about you. Hope you feel better.
Another thing…. McCain was the one who started the screened crowds only events…. been doing it for years…… AND at this event strict orders for no cameras, video…. NO pictures at all….
Hey, you.
As near as I can tell, he’s been grovelling in front of the people who smeared his wife and daughter and begging for their political support pretty much full time.
She’s been well beyond the margins for a while, I grant you that.
But she looks awful, and that was during the original interview. It’s been sinking in, and she knows she isn’t going to get favorable terms from the Obama camp.
My mother has been addicted to Revelations and the second coming and the tribulation- and so on and so on for year. She buys the Hagee tapes- just one of many but one of her faves…
This guy is about like all the other guys she reads and listens to..It’s a small group- but they know what they like- sorta like- porno fans who like to watch only fat people.
Hagee is just givin em what they want to hear.
Between punaise and Eli, my innards were hurting – my sides bruised them while laughing….
Please refrain from disparaging remarks against Hillary or anyone else.
We tend to disagree strongly here without comments such as “freak”.
As I said earlier they are also a crass and ILLOGICAL justification for he continuance in the campaign. The reality is that she would have been the candidate with a substantially large base of supporters at the convention even if she had suspended the campaign after Super Tuesday, or at any number of other Primaries. This “back up scenario” simply doesn’t fly.
Her goal was to either mar Obama by suggesting his unelectability and then throw it into the Convention…or even to taint Obama so badly that he would lose in the General Election…so she could run again in 2012. This, to me, are the only scenarios that make strategic sense…and they are both bleak. So this whole RFK thing is simply “cover”. A rationale…but if one looks deeply…one that makes no sense at all.
(((Petro)))
That really does feel like a big bear hug.;) snif.
They were the BEST tonight.
(((Petro)))
Yep – a 5 PM post and also I scribbled all over the bottom of Eli’s thread.
(never leave me alone with a sharpie)
Only ten more minutes to look, though….
I won’t. thanks
well before we all ge totssed into the black hole, I wanted to wish all boa noite and restful,peaceful and restorative sleep
I heard the Hillary flap this afternoon.. Shit- why don’t these teevee guys get a fuckin life. She was saying that lots of campaigns have gone on past June 1st for a variety of reasons and that people should get off her back about quittin…
Stupid fuckin issue. Obama’s the nominee anyway..
These fuckers just LOVES the Hillary/Obama race—and they aren’t about to let it go- even when it’s dead as a fuckin doornail.
BORING!
It is amazing that she can get up every day and campaign, I wish I’m that energetic when I’m 60.
That said, this was a carefully crafted message that has been repeated before. Like when she spoke of how she and McCain have passed the threshold, she uses the same facial expressions, tone of voice and pace of speech … which shows this was rehearsed and not ad lib. It is shameful and beneath her dignity … Hillary is a much better person than this; or so I thought.
I missed the big black hole thing…will the site be down for a while?
Well, I did provoke you.
Previous thread. They’re changing servers at 10PM PST.
cbl2 left us a hidey hole for when FDL is out of service tonight
Will say good nite to everyone before we go poof …. see ya sometime this weekend…
*mwaah* … great big kiss as well … I got lots today from my two darlings …
I was laughing so hard I was on my knees…the kitties were gathered around…I think they were waiting for my first hairball.
“come on, furkess one – we knew you could do it…”
It seems so. I will miss Late, Late Nite tonight.
g’nite katymind
Haven’t seen the speech in question, but it sounds like more manufactured outrage to me. I’ve had quite enough of that already.
Wow. Last post on the old servers.
I’m not worthy (particularly tonight)
That was awesome !!! Too bad I wasn’t around to add to the hilarity … at times like this, it’s as if we’re right next to each other, not simply connected by toobz …
Goodnight, Katymine. And in case we don’t all make it to the other side, goodnight everyone else.
furless one. jeebus
bye all – see you on the other side of the server wormhooooooole…..
Thanks buddy, I’ll read as much as I can in 4 minutes and the rest on Saturday.
would kiss you all but i’m infectious and you’d be hooked for life (i kid)
(((everyone)))
(((pups)))
Can you point out one campaign that continued on past June because the opponent stated the leading candidate might get assassinated?
These races continued because there were a) reasonable chances of the opponents obtaining the necessary delegates, b) items the opposing campaign wished to place on the party platform (and getting enough delegates to do so was essential), and c) real anatgonisms between the two candidates that a schism was about to occur (e.g. the antebellum Whig, and Democratic-Republican Parties).
Never heard an opposing delegate say they were staying in because the other guy might be assassinated, to my memory!
Only if she wanted to detonate her campaign.
If you’re a SuperDelegate or otherwise undeclared, can you now justify moving to Hillary? If you’re on Hillary’s side and live in America, how do you stand tall for her now?
And she knows that. She is more done than you think.
Dido…
All is not lost — see me at #136!
Ditto Margot!
((((( Firepups Mods Suz )))))
Have a great weekend !
guess i’m gonna be buckled up and strapped in here all by myself
Night Y’all Pleasant Dreams! Dream of a life where the goopers all beat their tongues into plow shares.
(((Pups)))
And Bill had it sown up way before the June CA primary…. That is when he got enough delegates
According to me, she was done after Super Tuesday, this macabre dance is to only further her own interests …
night off, maybe?
anti-zed?
eureka upstairs
Isn’t it going to be down for 3 hours ?
I think it’s because she’s hemorrhaging Super Delegates as well
Just today:
5-23-08 – Added Rep. Jim Costa (CA) for Obama
- Switched Rep. Dennis Cardoza (CA) from Clinton to Obama
- Added DNC Jenny Greenleaf (OR) for Obama
Yeah- maybe so- I’m just fuckin tired of this primary and the fuckin outrage over not much of anything from my point of view…
Ratings building in my opinion.
A better description might be “a few hours”. This is software we’re dealing with, don’t forget. It’s done when it’s done.
I can’t figure out how to respond.
Would be different if the candidates disagreed about anything- but they don’t- except for that one tiny part of their medical plans that everyone fell asleep amidst the first time it was discussed.
Seldom have so many made so much out of so little as in this stupid primary.
Of course if one candidate is more fuckin MORAL or somethin than the other- well THAT’S a HEADLINE.
rats.
i coulda been a contender….
Per Dkos:
2025 delegates are needed to win.
294 claim to be uncommitted.
56 are needed by Obama to reach 2025
246 are needed by Clinton to reach 2025.
56/246 = 23%
56/294 = 20%
Pleasant Dreams right back at you rw & all you other fine firepups. Thank you for being a link with sanity for this ole brat.