Barack Obama returned Tuesday night to Iowa, where the incredibly long Democratic nomination campaign began. He may not have officially declared victory, but he did unveil a new speech laying out his themes for the general election against John McCain:
. . . this year’s Republican primary was a contest to see which candidate could out-Bush the other, and that is the contest John McCain won. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest 2% of Americans that once bothered Senator McCain’s conscience are now his only economic policy. The Bush health care plan that only helps those who are already healthy and wealthy is now John McCain’s answer to the 47 million Americans without insurance and the millions more who can’t pay their medical bills. The Bush Iraq policy that asks everything of our troops and nothing of Iraqi politicians is John McCain’s policy too, and so is the fear of tough and aggressive diplomacy that has left this country more isolated and less secure than at any time in recent history. The lobbyists who ruled George Bush’s Washington are now running John McCain’s campaign, and they actually had the nerve to say that the American people won’t care about this. Talk about out of touch!
I will leave it up to Senator McCain to explain to the American people whether his policies and positions represent long-held convictions or Washington calculations, but the one thing they don’t represent is change.
Change is a tax code that rewards work instead of wealth by cutting taxes for middle-class families, and senior citizens, and struggling homeowners; a tax code that rewards businesses that create good jobs here in America instead of the corporations that ship them overseas. That’s what change is.
Change is a health care plan that guarantees insurance to every American who wants it; that brings down premiums for every family who needs it; that stops insurance companies from discriminating and denying coverage to those who need it most.
Change is an energy policy that doesn’t rely on buddying up to the Saudi Royal Family and then begging them for oil – an energy policy that puts a price on pollution and makes the oil companies invest their record profits in clean, renewable sources of energy that will create five million new jobs and leave our children a safer planet. That’s what change is.
Change is giving every child a world-class education by recruiting an army of new teachers with better pay and more support; by promising four years of tuition to any American willing to serve their community and their country; by realizing that the best education starts with parents who turn off the TV, and take away the video games, and read to our children once in awhile.
Change is ending a war that we never should’ve started and finishing a war against Al Qaeda in Afghanistan that we never should’ve ignored. Change is facing the threats of the twenty-first century not with bluster, or fear-mongering, or tough talk, but with tough diplomacy, and strong alliances, and confidence in the ideals that have made this nation the last, best hope of Earth. That is the legacy of Roosevelt, and Truman, and Kennedy.
That is what change is. That is the choice in this election.
As far as I can tell, all of that "Change is…" language is brand new — and it’s exactly what I (among others) have been wanting to hear from Obama for nearly a year. From when he was trailing in the polls last September and October to when he caught up in January and as he forged a lead in February, my numbingly repetitive consistent prescription for Obama’s campaign was that he needed to "shore up [his] high-concept appeal by connecting it to more specific and tangible policy results."
As I wrote in mid-February, "connecting his candidacy with the specific agenda of problems America needs solved will make it harder for the Republican sludge machine to win by eviscerating him personally." Now that the battle has been more or less officially joined, I think each passing week will make it clearer that this is the tug-of-war that will define the presidential contest. Harold Meyerson put it well in the Washington Post last week:
There are good reasons Republicans are focusing on identity rather than issues this year: In poll after poll, there’s not a single major issue on which the public agrees with them or their presumptive nominee. Not Iraq, certainly. Not the economy. Should the election turn on the question of "What are you going to do for America?" rather than "Are you a real American?" Republicans are doomed.
Since back when I was writing about "the people’s business" just before the 2006 elections and "the American agenda" in the days afterward, I’ve felt that this divide over which party cares about solving the country’s problems (especially if it can be raised to a level of moral responsibility) is the key to a long-term realignment of voters with Democratic/progressive goals.
So I’m glad to see that Barack Obama embracing a more issue-based campaign strategy. Of course, having finally (if indirectly) taken my advice, he damn well better win. I don’t want to have to deal with both another Republican president and being proved wrong.
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A Change Gonna Come
This is excellent news. It sounded new to me, too, although I don’t hear all Obama’s speeches. This is the kind of frankly populist “change” rhetoric Americans want to hear.
It’s change I can believe in (finally!)
Nice post, Swopa!
It would be nice if there was a paragraph about the media, too.
whoo hoo!
Lots of folks in SF wearing Obama buttons, even at work! without getting fired! Cool!
And thanks for posting this Swopa!!! I missed this speech and was so hoping Obama was going to smash the lobbyist issue into the ground. Sounds like he did!
Plus GOPers are even saying that McCain doesn’t sound like himself (see C&L).
I’d like to know his stance on accountability for the current administration.
Is his notion of “change” going to let the past fade away? Certainly the Right Wing will encourage that, but I don’t.
Get ready for the worn thin response of tax and spend Democrat.
That’s next.
I’d love to see the tax code overhauled a boatload of loopholes closed. Maybe even some tax hikes,
for 2% of the population.
Thanks, Swopa. Good analysis!
And good news from Camp Obama.
Bob in HI
I would love to know the answer to this as well.
However, the answer will not change how I vote. I KNOW McCain will not hold this admin accountable. There is a chance that Obama will. I will vote for that chance. And if one assumes that the past needs cleaning up at all, one would NOT vote for McCain. Just my analysis.
To answer “no” would cost him votes
To answer “yes” would just divide us before the election and shame the voters who voted for Bush who might vote for Obama now.
Re energy, all of the news programs I listened to reported on the record high prices of crude oil. The NYMEX futures contract closed today at $133.17 and the Cushing spot price was $132.57. Charlie Gibson of ABC News said nothing could be done about it. This is bull. As I have said, if you increase the money you have to put down for a futures contract from 5-7% to 30-50, you would wring a lot of the hedge fund driven speculation out of the market and oil could drop $55 to $60/bbl. As it is, players can enter the market with levered funds and because of the way the market is structured leverage that money again 15-20 times.
Others talked about supply and demand. Here it is important to realize that this equation has changed little in the last 2-3 years. So why would it suddenly cause the price of crude to double in a year?
Finally, I would just like to point out again that speculators are making use of those hundreds of billions of dollars central banks made available to financial markets “to shore them up” to instead run this scam on us, and the government and the Congress are doing absolutely nothing about it, just like they did in the subprime disaster.
Yes. of course the Tax and Spend. Oh wait, isn’t that what Bush did? He just didn’t mention it. where did that surplus go? do deficits matter? Hmmm…
I have so looked forward to MR.O’s specifics.
Speaking of our present energy policy, the Bush foreign/energy policy strategy in the middle east has been rather successful. He has eliminated Iran’s only meaningful enemies, Iraq and Saddam Hussein, and Saudi Arabia and the Saudi family have been the beneficiaries. Instead of knocking off the Saudi’s, who produced 15 hijackers and Osama, he invades Iraq, the Saudi’s sworn enemy, who had nothing to do with 9/11. The Saudi’s thank us by increasing the price of oil 6 times since 9/11. Bush dined with Abdullah last Friday and asked him to increase oil output, and was rebuffed. Some gratitude, huh?
Bush’s excuse of a reply? He threatened Abdullah not with invasion, but with a US recession, sdaying, ”My point to his majesty is going to be, when consumers have less purchasing power, because of high prices of gasoline-in other words, when it effects their families, it could cause this economy to slow down. If the economy slows down, there will be less barrels of oil purchased.”
So, we have a recession and our families suffer. That will really show the Saudi’s! And, I guess there aren’t any other countries standing in line to buy that oil, so the Saudi’s will suffer too.
What an idiot he is. I can’t believe he was reelected after his first four years. His command of the English language is legion.
WayneC
Absolutely, my vote is never going to McCain. I’m one of those folks who really likes Edwards, Obama AND Clinton.
But I would like to know that Obama is including a restoration of our laws and Constitution. And part of healing our government is accountability for deeds committed.
They need the high profits today for when there are low profits tomorrow. I really heard that on the radio today!
Hugh, what are your Top 5 messes to clean up in 2009?
Nope, Bush didn’t “tax and spend” He’s just been “spend and spend.”
Of course, he did max out the national credit card. So much for not leaving things to future generations to pay for; wasn’t that one of his many (soon to be broken) campaign promises?
yay! I totally agree with you!
And it would be a good step to elect someone with more than a handshake acquaintance with the US Constitution.
nothing like a TFB with OP money…
way late and little understood zed.
hi y’alllll.
:)
dosido and hugh – did any of the news reports say anything about the SJC hearing today?
((( swopa )))
Obama is also going to turn into Ali for the GE … can you say Rope- A- Dope ? *g*
Petrocelli, I completely agree. I think we “ain’t seen nothin’ yet!” with Obi. AND I need to say this: I think we ain’t seen nothin’ yet from Pelosi. OK. that’s not a huge scoop. but i think she’s got sumpthin sumpthin up her sleeves as well. I think both of them have been biding their time (which I hate, in Pelosi’s case, because of the military deaths that have occurred while she waits for the right time to pounce). I think we’re going to see a proper one-two knock down drag out upcoming here in the immediate future that will send the remaining leftovers of the rethugs reeling.
you heard it here first.
pax
Dugggggg :)
1. Getting out of Iraq
2. Moving away from hydrocarbons for energy both for peak oil and global warming
3. Moving to universal healthcare
4. Reforming the tax code to favor work income over investment income and limit investment bank, hedge fund, and derivative trading activities
5. Undoing the whole assault on the Constitution, especially domestic spying, suspension of habeas corpus, indefinite detention, torture, rendition
I would also add
6. Restoring balance to the federal judiciary
7. Re-professionalizing most departments of government which have been politicized and cronied up
8. And of course reforming/professionalizing or replacing the MSM
I’m sure there are many more.
I believe they did but it wasn’t very deep, more politicians reflecting the public’s frustration.
I watched Obama’s speech with my 19 year old daughter who was an Obama supporter well before I was. (She called me once to say that she “Didn’t want to tear us apart, but she was supporting Obama.”) Cute!
It was an amazing speech; I told her she was watching history in the making.
I think he will hold the criminals to account. He loves America and is a Constitutional expert.
Pelosi had better do something that convinces us she is going to live up to campaign promises and her oath to the Constitution.
A lengthy, televised hearing re. Rove this fall will do nicely …
OT..
‘The House of Representatives could vote as early as this evening on funding for new nuclear weapons and missile defense.’
http://www.clw.org/
((((( Loo Hoo )))))
Obama will hold them accountable, or at least enable Congress to do so, that I’m sure of !
I agree with siri. I’m dying to know what she meant when she spoke with top bloggers last summer and said that we don’t know the half of it.
Hugs back, Petrocelli! Really nice post, Swopa.
I think that statement by Pelosi was as far as she could go without leaking classified info. … however I, like many others, would have liked them to allow impeachment hearings …
OH, I couldn’t agree more. I don’t honestly know why I still have some faith in her. But I do. I gotta say tho, it’s been trashed down to a notch I never expected to see or experience. That, SHE was just a huge and bitter personal dissappointment to me, and I think her whole stance has been a lay in wait strategy. Well, now is the time! I think we’re going to be pleasantly surprised, and we have been here of late. MUCH MUCH MORE is needed, however.
yes. and I’m thinkin’ we’re about to find out.
David Gergen said something really good … he said that Hillary should denounce racist voters, telling them that if they didn’t vote for Barack because of race, she doesn’t want their vote.
I think it sends a very positive message or unity …
which one?
I hear a report on Newshour about the Iraqi soldiers and possible war crimes?
and so sorry to be remiss…but this is an EXCELLENT post from Swopa. Thank you Swopa. Yours are always great posts, just one complaint, not enough of you here!
excuse me I meant to say US soldiers from Iraq. Many apologies.
now there’s a thought!
She has a telling smile, which reveals a lot, where her words don’t/can’t … it will be big relief to all of us when she does divulge what she’s been keeping under wraps thus far …
Great post once again, Swopa! Sounds like a Democratic platform to me!
i was asking about the hearing on the price of oil (since i listened to most of that one), but i’m interested in any reports on congress.
Any comments on Susan Golub, who is after Pelosi’s seat in San Francisco?
WayneC
Sorry selise! I’m focussing now. I heard this on the Ed Schultz show:
Yes! It. Will. She’s close to my age, a life long democrat, and an Italian American, all like me. I just identified really closely with her on many levels, and her caving and capitulation has been just infuriating and heart breaking at the same time. SAD AND MAD, totally describes my reactions to her since her stellar rise to House Speaker. it’s WAY our turn for some action and results from her.
btw, jeralyn at talkleft is still reporting that clinton is ahead in the popular vote. pls don’t shoot the messenger.
Yes she should.
(Si, se puede)
We’ll see.
I would like to add that a number of weeks ago, daily show did a collage of film footage from oil companies hearings of years past. This is one of those stories they’re so good at. Hmmm? Why does this sound so very familiar?
reached back to the seventies at least and the oil companies gave the same fricking explanations.
thanks dosido and hugh – i think “politicians reflecting the public’s frustration.” is pretty close to my take as well.
What can I say? Denial is not just a river in Egypt.
Pelosi appeared on newshour today. I thought she did pretty well considering the types of questions judy was tossing at her. worth a look.
I seriously hope that Hillary is elected to the SCOTUS and that she invites Jeralyn & Taylor Marsh over regularly to harangue Roberts & Co.
I also hope someone shoots live video, the two of them would be great at giving those justices their just desserts !
Thanks, I will watch it …
Pelosi surprising hit ####### the electoral process when asked about it on newhour. something to the effect that delegates are how we decide the democratic party candidate. I’ll try to dig out the exact quote.
Clinton doesn’t have the judicial experience to be seated on the SC. What leads you to think that she might aspire to be a SC Justice?
Thanks for the compliment. For work and other reasons, I’ve scaled back my blogging output (and reading, sadly) over the past few months. It’s an effort sometimes just to keep my hand in with one or two serious posts a week, but it makes me all the more grateful for being able to borrow the FDL platform.
Soory OT again (as always!)
‘Pakistan will pull its troops out of the Swat valley in its Northwest Frontier Province according to an agreement signed today by government negotiators and local Taliban leaders. Local authorities also agreed to enforce Sharia law so long as girls are allowed to attend school and militants do not carry weapons in public. Pakistan’s new government is also negotiating a seperate agreement with Baithullah Mehsud, leader of Pakistani Taliban and suspect in Benazir Bhutto’s assasination. The U.S. worries that peace deals will give the Taliban more freedom to launch attacks across the border in Afghanistan.’
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/8893
Selise:
There’s an idea…has this been bandied about before?
I’m lifting these quotes from NPR but too lazy to link.
If only there were more folks like you in MSM!
Opps, finger trip. soorry = sorry :)
Thanks for a great post, Swopa. I was impressed with Obama speaking in Iowa and today in Tampa. The announcement of Linda Douglass as campaign spokesman is a good move. Right now, Obama is running against Hillary, McCain, and the media.
The folks in Hillaryland insult our intelligence, enough already. Hillary is ramping up a frenzy that will be hard to walk back, and shame on her for it.
And Hugh, your idea of increasing the percentage investors need to put in the game makes perfect sense–more skin in the game was certainly what the very important pundits were preaching about home mortgages–obviously the idea is doomed….
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Prairie Today: Hysteria in Hillaryland
I talked to a Noo Yokkah last Sunday … yuppie … and he aped the “Obama is winning because he’s black”
meme … (sorry Raven)
This was thankfully after a few Drafts so I laughingly asked him to name 5 instances where it was better to be black in America, rather than white … he kept quiet for half an hour …
An “October surprise” from our side would be a very refreshing change.
I will posit, to much feeling to the contrary, that if one didn’t understand what Obama meant when he has talked about change, it is possible that one might not have been listening.
*gasp* SD … surely you won’t deny a high office to this War Veteran ? *g*
Here it is:
My bold. from PBS newshour.
that’s cool – appreciate it, i’m too lazy to go look for myself right now… too many things going on at once…
Amen
BroSis !Yes and I really don’t encourage this kind of thinking for SCOTUS. It would be a really really really bad idea to set this kind of precedent.
please excuse the OT – question for the windoze XP users: do you recommend installing the SP3?
Ha! At least half of my junk mail comes addressed to Mr…!
Thanks for the great list Hugh. I would move the constitutional issues up but all of those are on my list too. cheers.
I will give you the firsr two, but I think the media has been very fair to Obama.
I usually wait 1-2 months before installing any Windoze Updates … gives them time to work out the kinks and update the update, if you catch my drift …
I beg to differ, citing Pastor Wright as my lead example …
great blog post PS. I totally agree!
And I had to slow down when you wrote:
I thought it said. Just say no to the Hillary Rules! Committee. haha.
thanks – i don’t mind waiting, but have heard horror stories about viruses, spyware, etc (long time mac user) and so don’t know what to expect if i delay. appreciate the advice and i’ll wait till july or aug.
By Paul McDougall, InformationWeek
May 8, 2008
URL: http://www.informationweek.com…..=207600950
Within hours of its release, Microsoft’s Service Pack 3 for Windows XP began drawing hundreds of complaints from users who claim the update is wreaking havoc on their PCs.
The problems with XP SP3, according to posters on Microsoft’s Windows XP message board, range from spontaneous reboots to outright system crashes.
“My external disks are having trouble starting up, which results in Windows not starting up,” complained user Michael Faklis, in a post Wednesday. “After three attempts [to install XP SP3] with different configurations each time, System Restore was the only way to get me out of deep s**t,” said ‘Doug W’.
Another user said the service pack prevented him from starting his computer. “I downloaded and installed Windows XP Service Pack 3 Network Installation Package for IT Professionals,” wrote ‘Paul’. “Now I can’t get the computer to boot.”
Dozens of other posters reported similar problems.
It’s not uncommon for major operating system updates to cause problems. Typically, the glitches are due to conflicts with software, such as drivers, system files, or applications already resident on the user’s PC. Microsoft has yet to indicate whether it will issue an update to address some of the problems, though it has done so with previous updates.
You mean besides the Obama can’t win the white male working class vote treatment? Even though he has won them in previous primaries? That little ol’ thing?
late to this party but it was a great party and I’m sure sorry I missed it
anyway;
here’s the thing
if Hillary had done this throughout the primary, if she had campaigned against McCain instead of against Obama, she could easily have been where he is today
it became the politicking of old, rather then look for the good of the people, look to put a mustache on your opponent
this works for republicans but the democrats are far more educated, far more weary of tactics like that
Obama hits all the right notes, I want to comment on one specifically;
very very nice, right on the money, now he needs to seal the deal, he can do it like so;
“we will lower taxes for these people not by raising taxes on the wealthy but by reclaiming middle class assets that were misappropriated through tax codes intended to redistribute the assets of our infrastructure and middle class”
I am telling you, their heads will definitely explode
Certainly, it’s no surprise that Obama is in favor of the things he mentioned in the paragraphs I quoted.
But there’s a difference between what informed voters know a candidate favors and what that candidate puts front and center in their campaign speeches. When & if Obama gets to the White House, everything he favors isn’t going to magically become policy.
When he says, “Change is X, Y, and Z,” he’s publicly committing himself to delivering X, Y, and Z once he’s in office.
Did you guys see Jim Webb’s take on why the white voters in the Appalachian Mountain areas vote for Hillary?
I agree that Webb would be a great VP selection for his military and Scot/Irish background, but also because of his experience in an administration.
Keith’s on it right now!
I assume no one wants to hear my tired opposition to Webb?
AVG anti virus is free and catches all that stuff. Installing anti virus and adware software will protect your pc …
Disclaimer: IANAT (I am not a Techie)
thank you. i guess i’ll wait until july or aug of 2009.
Not if she had been in a courtroom at any time in the last 16 years. She’s never been on the bench.
Personally, I can’t imagine nominating anyone who is not a sitting Federal judge at the time of nomination. Further, if I were on the SJC I would implore the Chair to require all nominees to provide written, essay type answers to specific questions regarding the Constitution before they appear at any confirmation hearing. Further, at each hearing opening statements and such dribble would be eliminated, replaced by questions regarding Constitutional law prepared by the SJC legal staff. Hard nosed son-of-a-bitch that I am.
Grit TV upstairs
Ha, you wish!
Always install the Service Packs from Micro$oft. Windoze is prone to bugs and the SP’s correct them. They’re safe.
Excellent points all !
All in due time grasshopper all in good time.
No problem with that but this site has the real story and it’s not based on polls.
As for Obama’s sudding ‘policy outbreak…’ he, being the Magic Man, has a ‘policy’ for everything. None of which will work any better than Mr. Decider as they both operate out of ‘faith’.
Sorry, been there…did that….
I will take a pass on electing ‘Barkey’.
Well, FWIW, Earl Warren is among the former justices who had never been a judge prior to his appointment as Chief Justice.
I seem to recall that he did a pretty fair job although I understand Eisenhower didn’t necessarily agree.
That’s what the Service Packs are. If you’re running XP you’ll get those little pop-up boxes telling you there’s an update. You can choose not to install them and the Service Packs put them all together, supposedly with the bugs to fix the bugs fixed.
I haven’t had any problems for 8 years, and I get lots of e- mails daily from around the world, where the sender does not have anti virus and adware installed …
He’s said most of those things on one occasion or another, but he hasn’t combined them together in such a concise and effective way.
Jam on then, the question was asked and I gave an answer. Doesn’t matter to me.
Yes, I understand what you are saying. I guess that I am an Obama supporter and a progressive at the same time, and have been constantly confused when it became obvious that he supports 90% of the progressive agenda while not focusing on it, while Clinton seemed to be opposed to 70% of the same agenda while ignoring it. My confusion for the longest time was that many progressives seemed quite myopic to this difference, that to me was quite striking, as they argued for the acceptance of much less than half a loaf.
Well, shit, now I gotta go look to see what my latest SP is.
I would be new to me.
Compared to whom?
From Jim Webb
To be sure, Kerry deserves condemnation for his activities as the leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW). In the early 1970s, this small organization — never more than 7,000 veterans out of a potential pool of 9 million — became the darling of the anti-war movement and the liberal media. Its activities went far beyond simply criticizing the politics of the war to repeatedly and dishonestly misrepresenting the service of Vietnam veterans and the positive feelings most felt after serving.
Kerry and his VVAW compatriots portrayed their fellow veterans as unwilling soldiers, morally debased and haunted by their service. While this might have fit a small minority, the most accurate survey, done by the Harris Poll in 1980, showed that 91% of those who went to Vietnam were “glad they served their country,” 74% “enjoyed their time in the military” and 89% agreed with the statement that “our troops were asked to fight in a war which our political leaders in Washington would not let them w
SP2. Guess I better check this shit out.
Selise, you’re right to hold off on this one.
Goddamn Micro$oft. Goddamn M$ programmers’ would fuck up a soup sandwich.
that would be “win”. Get it, we could won if it hadn’t been for us 1%’rs and Washington.
Yeah right….
NEW HAVEN, Connecticut — ‘As president, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain would not support immunity for the telecoms that aided the Bush administration’s warrantless spying program, unless there were revealing Congressional hearings and heartfelt repentance from those telephone and internet companies, a campaign surrogate said Wednesday.’
http://blog.wired.com/27bstrok…..nesty.html
In fairness I must note that Kerry campaigned for him and I even sent him money to beat that pig Allen.
Ah!
Someone here finally ‘get’s it’ and one wonders why it’s take so long for the Magic Man to actually say something substantive. Could it be…
The massive ass-kicking he’s take lately in primary voting swing states?
The really bad, for him, EC analysis emerging lately?
The upcoming Rezko, Auchi and Michelle scandals?
Look the guy has been running an empty vessel campaign from the get go. He’s gone from ‘Yes we can!’, a good slogan to ‘No She can’t….’ a disgraceful slogan for a Democrat.
I suggest you reread his books, if you can stand it, to find out where he’s really coming from. It is not reassuring.
And I can assure you he will not get my vote for any office whatsoever. I take my stance as progressive seriously and will not vote for a Republican which is who Barry really is.
And any who don’t like it…..
Too bad, I don’t vote for folks who won’t count the votes.
Just to let her know I’m not giving ‘professional advice’ …
well, we appreciate what you do Swopa. I hope you can do more as time goes on but yours is a huge and relevant contribution here at the Lake!
Thank you for what you do here for all us pups!
Note that it says that McCain wouldn’t support immunity as president. Which seems to beg the question of what he intends to do in his current capacity as a senator. Not show up for the vote would be my prediction.
Lessee now, wasn’t it the Warren Commission that gave us that whitewash of the JFK assassination?
I’m looking forward. I can’t change what happened one nanosecond ago. Our country, and the world, have changed dramatically since Warren’s day.
So did you guys see the news report of when Obama went to Congress a couple of weeks ago and Pelosi cut short a press conference and made a “bee line” for him? I think she’s known for a long time what the writing on the wall was saying and I love the thought of her and him working together, passing bills all over the place, moving this country in the direction it needs to go, and just working together to get chit done! I also think she’s always supported him. I think her “two great and wonderful candidates” speech was always diplomacy while the process plays out. Just an opinion, but I think i’m right. (lol don’t we alllll!)
thanks to all for the advice, i’m updating everything except SP3.
No what Kerry deserves to have his ass handed to him for is not counting the votes in 2004. But then ‘not counting all the votes….’ in the ‘Democrat’ Party is the new black is it not.
People are noticing this shit out here on the ground and if I were Schumer et. al. I would not be counting my ‘Supermajority’ quite yet. Many of the folks who turned out to put McNerney in for example are not going to do a fuking thing for Miss Nancy if they can help it.
McSame can run a campaign that will just eviscerate the ‘Do-Nothing’ Dems, primarily because they haven’t done a goodamn thing they said they would, and I doubt a whole lot of folks are gonna greet the inexperienced Barry with open arms.
This election feels a lot like 2002.
Pelosi introduced Obama last fall at a Jefferson/Jackson event as “The next POTUS”
Yes it was the Warren Commission ably assisted by Snarlin’ Arlen that gave us the whitewash of the Kennedy assassination.
But it was the Warren Court that gave us Brown v. Board of Education, Miranda and a number of other forward looking Constitutional decisions that opened up the world to ALL citizens of the US, not just the select few.
What that tells me, is that even the best of people can be found to have feet of clay sometimes and are not perfect.
Whoops….I just did on my Windows XP Pro and….
It works fine.
Does that mean I hate Obama?
I might add that you ought to set up a firewall and if you have wireless internet, make it “stealth” and give it a new password …
And beyond everything else, Scalia, Thomas, Alito, Kennedy, O’Connor, Rehnquist, and Roberts were all “experienced” judges when named to the court and look what their experience gained us.
Oh, Hagel turned against the war in Iraq when he revisited Vietnam and realized he was lied to. Senator Webb?
REALLLLY????! wow i missed thet entirely. must google! i bet “hill” had a conniption fit, but prolly can’t remember it within all the other conniption fits. wow must find!
thanks Petrocelli!
Give it a rest pal. That’s the way every nominee is introduced at that event.
Man, the low-info static storm never ever lets up does it?
I know, I meant that you had to teach me how to IM!
I’m just going to call him ‘Bullsh*t McCain’ from now on..:)
I’ll try to find a link as well
Yes, and Barry was happy to fall in line with the rest of the ‘keep your powder dry idiots…’
I’m leaving now before the shitstorm starts. Just remember….
I’m usually right. Heh…..
LOL … sometimes I surprise myself with how much/little I know …
That’s uncommonly gentle.
Here ya go … Link … I see that Pelosi introduced every candidate thusly …
i have nat on my wireless router and it’s invisible with wep (i think – i’ve forgotten, i set it up a while ago – but it;s got a good password).
Thank you for not feeding ..
Well, I am a gentle person ;) I’m also genetically programmed to be polite..
Can I give a snarky response about you-know-who and her “Hillary is the winnah in the populah vote!” or do I have to be Encyclopedia nice? LOL
*sniff sniff sniff* I smell a shit storm. Huh.
u r better googler than me!
LOL
that was faaaaaast!
thank you Petrocelli.
I saw the clip earlier this week, but I did not know then, that Pelosi had introduced every candidate the same way …
Nah, go for it … the trolls don’t hold back … *g*
the greenish-yellow area of Hillary supporters and staffers:
LOL!
Wow. Reading your comment here makes me think a Bush supporter would say the same thing. Why do you hate the Democrats so much? I’m asking an honest question. Do you despise/hate Mitch McConnell, John Boner, Denny Hastert, Bill Frist, or any other republican or do you just go after those in your own party?
If we engage them, they stick around longer, thus the appeal to “not feed” …
yeah, well………
i think she did that so as to make the into for Obi more palatable.
ya think?
IIII think!
:)
Yeah good point. *taking boxing gloves off*
well, i think you should listen to your own judgement first… imo, other bloggers (especially friends of fdl) should be treated with respect even when we disagree strongly. politicians, however should be fair game.
just fyi – my views are only my own and definitely not those of this or another other site.
Acitizen speaky the truth,
I forgot to bookmark AK’s new blog. Anyone have it handy?
My views are always mine too. I never copy nor do I drag my knuckles across the ground and drool down my neck and spew the same lame-o talking points like the trolls do. ;-)
Raven, you don’t like Obama? Are you a Hillary supporter? Or voting for McCain?
althespook [dot] com
Since we’re being told above by you-know-who that Obama has been running an empty campaign, I’d like to know if Hillary wore overalls, put a piece of wheat between her teeth, and smacked a Budweiser on her forward today to prove she’s one of us. Anyone know? She is very genuine and full of substance I must add. *rolling eyes*
lol!
ugggggggy visual. I’m sooooo glad you are not one of ‘THOSE!’
lol!
sorry,
another one….
LOL!!!!
Here ya go, Loo Hoo!
And….
Did anyone from the Hillary campaign demand the votes in Harlem, New York be recounted because not ONE SINGLE VOTE WENT TO OBAMA in that region…you know…a black region?
Hey, Dood! How’s the great white north?
LOL Siri! I’m having fun at my ‘puter desk tonight. ;-)
No surprise here…
‘A bill mandating the creation of a federal contractor misconduct database is one step closer to becoming law, but a lack of support in the Senate has forced Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., its primary sponsor, to limit access only to government officials.’
http://www.govexec.com/story_p…..todaysnews
Don’t laugh but some places north of Toronto got snow last night …
Spring might make a brief stopover this weekend … we’ll beg it to stay on … *g*
I’m not positive but my understanding is that the “no votes for Obama” was only in the preliminary vote reporting for those areas and that when the actual, final votes WERE tallied, Obama did receive a significant number of votes and they were included.
omg
Clinton is SO ratcheting up the “Misogynist” card. That so totally stinks, and is undoing the one thing I still had respect for, her voice for women. Now it’s all about “I lost because of the woman hatred in America” message. Where’s her couth (sp?)? Where’s her class? Where’s her pride for doing what she’s done in opening doors for women all over the Friggin’ Universe??? Why is she trashing the best and biggest thing ever done by a woman anywhere!?!
Why does Hillary Clinton hate women?
Can I snicker at least…? ;-)
I can tell!
it’s spreading, contagious, leaking!
i’m totally giggling here at your words.
Interesting…were all the votes FINALLY tallied for Obama in New York? Kind of suspicious to me, but then again, that’s me. I mean really, can you imagine if Obama won New York and all the fun I’d have online talking about it! ;-)
Here argument about losing because she’s a woman would stand…that is…if she acted like one. As far as I can tell, she decided months ago that the only way for her to win is to be a man…a gun toting, whiskey-swilling, $100 million dollar, duck hunting man.
She’s lost the race as a white neocon man. *sigh*
LOL … ((( CT )))
Well, according to this from the NY Times, the Obama votes were totaled and that in fact when things were fully checked, there were some areas where Clinton received no votes in preliminary reporting.
As always, not everything is a conspiracy when humans are involved.
By the way, I’d like to point out to Hillary, McCain, and the rest of the “Obama has no experience on foreign policy!” people…
Since 1980, we’ve had mainly republican presidents who have brought us:
Death squads in South America
Arms dealings in Iraq/Iran
The selling of wmd to Iraq/Iran
PNAC
CIA killings all over the planet
The posting of how to make a nuclear bomb on the DOD’s website
The harboring of Osama bin Laden
The training & arming of Osama bin Laden by our CIA
Oh the list goes on and on! Those who have had much training & experience in foreign policy have basically screwed us. Give me the Harvard Law professor who is a clean slate and who will be a beacon of light for those around the world who see his skin color as a sign that America HAS FOUND IT’S MIND!
I want to see a TV commercial with a grimacing, less than flattering image of McSame that slowly morphs into a grinning and laughing George Bush.
I think that the Gallup Poll in 1980 had serious flaws. For one thing it was self-reporting at a time of intense patriotic tub-thumping during the Iraq hostage crisis and Reagan’s campaign which constantly attacked Carter’s pardoning of draft resisters (ironically Ford had already commuted the sentences of those charged with desertion in 1975). It was also about the time that the claims about returning Veterans being spat upon started up…
Most Vets who served in the VN Theater didn’t participate in combat. And the survey itself is contrarian. The third response suggests a degree of bitterness and betrayal…and is actually contrary to the responses in the first two cited survey responses. They were proud to have served their country in a war that they felt that they were betrayed in. They had positive feelings about that experience? There’s a disconnect here, IMO.
And try and find the actual survey anywhere on the web…it’s referred to thousands of times, but one can’t find the actual Gallup Poll or it’s methodology.
And it’s ironic that Webb, generally a champion of VN Veteran health care issues, cites this poll, when there are far better peer-reviewed surveys that show very deep psychological problems with many Vets who served in Vietnam. As today with Iraq-Afghan War Veterans, many Vets returning from Vietnam buried serious issues, and denied they carried physical or emotional scars about that conflict.
http://www.cdc.gov/nceh/veterans/default1a.htm">NCEH Survey of VN War Veterans Health Issues
AMA Survey of VN Veteran Health
Thanks Dakine01 for this update. Conspiracies are very non-human. That’s left to the animals. LOL
That’s accurate, insightful and astute! And we didn’t WANT her to be a man. My whole original thought about going into this election was “NO MORE WHITE MALES!” They’ve had their run, culminating in Dumbya. We NEED to be done with that. So if “hill” is running as a man, she’s OUT. That was a bad and wrong decision. I wonder which wonder adviser came up with that one?!
Heh, if ya wanna see a squirming, fidgeting and increasingly furious Shrub, take a gander… Finally, some real hardball questions…! ;-)
Ultimately, she has to take responsibility for her campaign policies …
OMG
STANDING APPLAUSE!
That is an awesome and brilliant argument/comment!
And YES! Kay.
Who amongst us cannot just LOVE the message America sends to the world with President Obama???!???
Excellent idea! We could also show a picture of Bush giving the finger next to a video of McCain yelling, “c*nt!” at his wife! Good gawd those two are one in the same.
Thanks for the link Dood, I will definitely read it later !
Let me tell you that “The World” is very excited about Obama becoming POTUS.
Right. And her whiskey guzzling, dropping her “g”s, nagscreaming “Shame On You, Barack Obama”, and her down and dirty mud/race slinging just served to be an offensive portrayal of a woman leader. I’ll bet Merkle, along with other female leaders in the world today, was disgusted.
We could go back and forth all night on this. I’m talking theory, the way I would like to see it done. I would imagine there has been more than one Warren on the SC over the years. I’m striving for near perfect, knowing I’m going to try to get the best I can get.
Using Warren as an argument for nominating Clinton, however, doesn’t work for me.
Why thank you Siri…*curtsying*. LOL
I think having Obama as president of the United States is going to be GREAT for foreign policy. White greedy assholes just isn’t working anymore. ;-)
Plus…
I want two little black girls in the White House! That will be so much fun!
Look at how they got there.
Yep. Even Merkle cringed when George Bush tried to give her a shoulder rub. Hillary would have welcomed it and said, “Oh Georgie! I had no idea! *wink*”. Gawd. Has Bill Clinton helped the Bush family raise funds this week? *plugging nose*
I believe that Petrocelli. I think it’s a huge giant step forward toward cleaning up our good name and image in the world. I think it’s a MAJOR message to the world that We The People ARE NOT with “stupid”, and might even be a peace offering for inflicting that idiot on this planet. I hope and pray for that, anyway.
omg
SQUEEEEEAL! WITH DELIGHT
Isn’t that the truth. They are adorable! I can’t get enough of his whole family. But those little sparkley numbers are a gift from God, to all of us!
hehe
Yep! We’re not with “stupid”! *high fiving & belly bumping Siri*
I want to be Auntie to them. It would be fun if we all became their Aunties across this country! And because I’m a good Auntie, I would protect their cute little bodies at all times. I also always carry gum in my purse. LOL
I heard something this evening about him being “over” being so “deeply hurt” at the response/reaction to him being “racist” (as a result of his and his wife’s racist comments throughout this campaign)..;….
or something like that.
how embarassing.
Why does Bill Clinton hate his previously good legacy???
:D
hehe
lipstick
little girl lipstick and a bag of “emergency crayons”.
can’t tell ya how many times “emergency crayons” saved the day raising my daughter!
lol
I’m shocked at how much Hillary & Bill have changed. It’s sad, but then again, the Powers That Be have a way of showing us the reality for us to make the right choices in our lives.
I’m glad the two of them are showing their true colors, because it would have been a bummer and a half if we had jumped on their bandwagon and then found out they were both Bush-supporting-neocons all this time!
I’m an Atheist, but I do think a Higher Power did help us out here. Whoever that woman is that did, she gets a kiss! ;-)
don’t forget the deaths of probably hundreds of thousands of iraqi children due to economic sanctions that prevented the rebuilding of water treatment plants and importation of important medicines and “dual use” items like chlorine needed to treat water (this after we purposefully targeted water treatment plants).
and trade policies that caused the deaths of thousands of people (at the minimum according to clinton’s own chief of economic advisors).
and the initiation of our program of extraordinary rendition (kidnapping people and then taking them to egypt to be tortured and/or killed).
and i’m leaving out a whole lot….
siri and Kayinmine, Good gosh, it realy is getting a bit much.
A whole lot, selise…! ;-)
Oh yes! “Emergency crayons”! How fun. I want to play Chinese jump rope & “Miss Mary Mack” with them!!!! LOL
We are going to be the best Aunties to Malia & Natasha, Siri! We rock. ;-)
What I find irritating is all the assertions about “groups” made from polling or exit poll surveys when there is clearly contrary data from other States that they ignore.
Obama can’t gain the support of White Blue Collar Voters? What about Washington or Oregon? That’s be like turning that around and saying because Obama won the White Male vote in Oregon or any number of other States that Hillary couldn’t win their support in the General Election.
Or that Clinton couldn’t win over Democratic white voters under 55 years of age. There are a dozen States where Obama trounced her in that demographic cohort.
What all this misses is that these are match-ups between Obama and Clinton…NOT Obama vs. McCain. And therein lies the implicit underlying racist meme that the commentators must spread to make these erroneous factoids “relevant”. They have to get the listener to think that “because Obama didn’t win this group in Kentucky or West Virginia [although he did in Oregon and Colorado, etc.] THAT they will go to McCain BECAUSE OF RACE!
Just how stupid is THAT and condescending to those voters. Even IF race was the decisive factor between Obama and Clinton in their match-up it doesn’t mean that with a candidate that they view as quite distinctive that they will flock to him because of his pasty complexion.
That’s like saying that somebody who prefers chocolate ice-cream to vanilla will decide to eat a sugar cone filled with a turd simply because it’s brown as the chocolate.
Most of these exit surveys show that about 10-20% of Clinton voters may not vote for Obama and cross-over to McCain. But some of these may not have voted for Clinton in the General Election in any case. They could be Limbaugh migrants, or simply think that for them Clinton was the better of the two but McCain is even more experienced. About another 25% is “undecided”. Those, and the roughly 50% of Clinton supporters that are firmly willing to support Obama are the ones that Obama needs to energize.
LOL Honestly, I didn’t think anyone else was here. Figured everyone was talking above. ;-)
Exactly Selise. There is a ton more we could list, but the whole point is, those who have had “expertise” in foreign policy have done a shitty job. Those that are saying Barack will suck at it tells me these same people don’t want “Daddy” to find out what they’ve done.
Obama lost the working class vote in Oregon 54/45.
Most of Maine is working class and we voted him in at a 60/40 rate. We have a 4% black population too. What does that say to you? Only the wealthy here in Maine came out to vote for Barack? If you think so, then I have a bridge to sell ya!
Some of Hillary’s money is coming from republicans who want her on the ballot so they can tear her down in November.
bill clinton didn’t have “expertise” and he sucked too. just don’t like seeing him get a pass (can you tell i’m not a fan? *g*)
Oh, I agree with you. The last 3 decades have pretty much sucked. Even 9/11 was a big fat sham perpetrated by the “foreign policy experts”. At this rate, I’d be happy with a line cook running America. I think this person would do a better job. ;-)
to obama’s credit (and i’m not much of a fan of his – although i don’t usually dislike him as i’ve learned to do wrt the clintons), he advocated against the iraq war, he didn’t vote for kyl-lieberman (although he didn’t bother to vote against it) and he voted for the bill to restrict the use of cluster bombs.
i think that’s the best argument – let’s have something and someone different.
Not sure, but I think we went thru this last night. Not very interesting.
Honestly, Kay, I NEVER trusted hillary. Just some inner voice, and scads of evidence from the Clinton years (they took FURNITURE out of 1600, for cryin out loud), I just never trusted her, felt a bad bad feeling about her, and supported Richardson, then Edwards, and 3rd was Obi. He was bumped over the experience thing.
Since seeing Clinton operate, OMG. Lack of Trust got me there, but I NEVER imagined she’d be THAT bad! That dishonest, pandering and RACIST. If I ever would have been one to pull for her, this campaign would have opened my eyes forever!
yes we do! Talk about EXPERIENCE!
i’m MOST anxious to see those babies evolve into young women, and then women with their own adult voices! That in itself is just thrilling!
Stand in line ladies … once they’ve visited Uncle Petro in Toronto, they ain’t going back to America … *g*
Human incompetence is a far more likely explanation though for what is often called “conspiracy.” Unless it is a one person conspiracy which by definition can’t be,
We MUST come together! Share! NEGOTIATE!!! YES WE CAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol
ROFL
Okay, we each get a weekend and then let them decide … sounds fair ?
I wasn’t on here last night, but I take it whatever it is you’re pointing to was hashed out. ;-)
Selise, that is the real “change” isn’t it? We’ve tried the pasty white “experts” for decades now, and it’s time we give someone who isn’t a DC Insider a chance. It’s making “them” nervous too at the idea of having someone different in office.
Siri, Hillary has become a major disappointment as has Bill, but that’s not to say I’ve loved them every day since 1992! Nope. They had some good qualities back in the day, but now that they’ve aligned themselves with the Bushes (even Terry McAuliffe is best buddies with Karl Rove now!), I want to vomit. I can’t relate to anyone who will sell their souls to THOSE DEVILS. If Hillary said to me one day, “Kay, I’ll give your fifty of my $100 million”, I would spit in her face. That’s how much I don’t like the neocons or anyone who rubs elbows with them to advance themselves. Yucky!
And Petrocelli! They’ll need good Uncles too! You’ll be great. LOL
Dakine01, people conspire all the time. The largest conspiracy ever in the history of our nation we witnessed on 9/11 after it was hashed out in the 1990’s on the sidelines of the Clinton Admin. Funny…we are the ones who are called the “conspiracy nuts” for even questioning any of them on what they knew and when they knew it. Spit. Disgusts me.
Okay everyone! Have a good night. I’m going to bed. Thanks so much for the laughs and insight tonight as always! You’re a great bunch. ;-)
Aloha, Kay!
Nite nite CT! Have a good one! ;-)
If HRC offers you $50 Million, could you please refer me to her … I am buyable … *g* … Pleasant Dreams !
Stop it! You’re killing me. LOL Nite nite. ;-)
All I’m sayin’ is … I’m easy but not cheap ! *g*
Shoot, I’m cheap, $50,000 would work for me…! ;-)
Cliff Schecter upstairs…
McCain’s Questionable Association Of The Day: Randy Scheunemann
What do you consider working class? Does one have to have less than a high school education? Or be above a certain age? I know a lot of college students who are working class with waitress or barista jobs, or working in the back of restaurants. And is a bus driver working class when he pulls in more salary than a part-time professor?
Whats your definition?
And although Clinton won by those numbers with voters under $30,000 or those without ANY college education…I’d suggest that quite a few working class people make more than $30,000 and/or have some college education. Obama won with those who are, or had a family member in a Union by almost 2:1. I get the sense that when Hillary’s people talk about hard-working White people it doesn’t include anyone that votes for Obama. Maybe those who make over $30K are in the slacking off White Middle Class? Obama won by just the reverse of those numbers for those with salaries under $50,000…which means a massive turnaround for those between $30-50,000. Does she really think she can win without those voters in November ;-)
That’s precisely my point above…her claims that because these voters support Candidate A (Clinton) means they will not support the immediate Priamry opponent (Obama) in the Fall and jump the fence to a Republican who has catastrophic policy differences makes absolutely no sense. Unless, of course, that she’s saying that these voters are selecting her because she’s white and that they will abandon Obama -despite the similarities in their policies- to vote for McCain…because he’s also White. That’s basically saying…my supporters are dumb, white racists…pretty condescending…I wonder if they realize that this is what she’s implying?
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/20…..lls/#ORDEM