yah lets waste some more time and money

Loosehead!

ya know what i was thinking this morn,maybe this is stoopit,but,,flagpins ,real ID ,is this to identify thre Fuhrers sheep,as opposed to the free thinkers?zeig hiel

Bite me Skeletor.

i so want a piece of toast…15 carbs…..sigh,after TEDS news i NEED carbs

Chertoff, what a maroon. — LHP, you’ve got to say that with Bugs Bunny’s voice…

Wow….I was not even aware of this Act. I see Illinois has passed a resolution denouncing it, big whoop.

Yep - major comfort food.

Again, GOP domestic terrists want to take away our freedom and control the masses.

People, please read up on your history of how we are being herded into the new Reich.

ain’t he a stinkah?

Carbs are good. At least you’re not craving fats….in times of stress, low-status primates crave high fat snacks. (NYT)

spying on Americans is the point of these things, and if you don’t think so then go cry to the Tooth Fairy.

But, can (D) captured advocacy sites really claim the mantle of civil libertarians? After all, it is (D) politicians like Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif sponsoring horrifying bills like the “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007″

According to the American Civil Liberties Union, the resolution, which Harman sponsored, is one step too close to an Orwellian nightmare, especially for the Democrats who concocted it.

Since privacy no longer matters, I want every member of the department of homeland security to report to work naked in order to set a good example of nothing to hide.

I think we all are getting a better picture of how everything happened in Germany in the late ’20s and early 30s. It sorta creeps up on you and then one day, if we’re not careful, there it is - full-blown fascism.

Great writeup LHP.

jus cogens!

right, the ol frog in the pot of water that slowly heats up thingy.

damn. just saw the teddy kennedy news.

Glad i’s not just me. I just up a macaron ‘n cheese cassole.
:(
(I’ll share.)

thanks lhp

then does this dovetail with Main Core?

CNN (reliability second only to Fox) says:

Doctors say Kennedy’s tumor is a malignant glioma, but they have not said how large it is or how quickly it may be spreading.

Average survival can range from three to five years for moderately severe malignant gliomas to less than a year for very advanced and aggressive types such as glioblastomas.

About 9,000 Americans are diagnosed with malignant gliomas each year.

Bad stuff

Don’t forget the other Bugs Bunny famous quote: You know, of course, this means Woah (war).

It’s important to be able to reliably identify the people you intend to round up.

EPU’d

From the UK:

“The proposal will raise further alarm about a “Big Brother” society, as it follows plans for vast databases for the ID cards scheme and NHS patients. There will also be concern about the ability of the Government to manage a system holding billions of records. About 57 billion text messages were sent in Britain last year, while an estimated 3 billion e-mails are sent every day.

Home Office officials have discussed the option of the national database with telecommunications companies and ISPs as part of preparations for a data communications Bill to be in November’s Queen’s Speech. But the plan has not been sent to ministers yet.”

http://business.timesonline.co.....965033.ece

Yes — I came here just to say that I’m keeping my fingers crossed and wishing him well.

What a tah rah rah goon dee ay !!

Chertoff, naked? Dear God, no.

haha, thoughts of elmer fudd and quail hunting are coming to mind…

your a doll {{{{{{{{{mwah}}}}}}}}}}

Morning/afternoon all :)
sort of on T.

BROOKLYN, NY – ‘A U.S. Army contract translator was sentenced today to 121 months of imprisonment for illegally possessing national defense documents, and using a false identity to procure his United States citizenship and to gain access to classified military materials. In addition, the court issued an order pursuant to 8 U.S.C. § 1451(e) stripping the defendant of his United States citizenship on the basis of his conviction for unlawful procurement of citizenship.

The proceedings were held before United States District Judge Edward R. Korman at the U.S. Courthouse in Brooklyn, New York.’

http://newyork.fbi.gov/dojpres.....051908.htm

there is great material on this subject, sadly very relevant to us now.

for example, Milton Mayer’s They Thought They Were Free: The Germans, 1933-45.

“Perhaps not,” he said, “but you must not forget that you are an American. I mean that, really. Americans have never known anything like this this experience–in its entirety, all the way to the end. That is the point.”

“You must explain,” I said.

“Of course I must explain. First of all, there is the problem of the lesser evil. Taking the oath was not so evil as being unable to help my friends later on would have been. But the evil of the oath was certain and immediate, and the helping of my friends was in the future and therefore uncertain. I had to commit a positive evil, there and then, in the hope of a possible good later on. The good outweighed the evil; but the good was only a hope, the evil was a fact.”

referenced in http://powerofnarrative.blogsp.....-lost.html
though Arthur Silbur roams outside the Pastures of Permissible thoughts for Progressives, so his site must be considered taboo.

Thanks for making my point!

Some privacy is necessary, n’est-ce pas? aren’t we all a little more comfortable knowing some things will be unseen by all?

The Republic Scheme comes into focus: most people will go quietly, being unemployed, homeless, or on the verge of being homeless.

Yes yes!

I’m trying to get my hands on this book after Thom Hartmann spoke of it on his show. Many “average” germans spoke of the fact that one little shocking thing wasn’t so bad, then the next one didn’t seem as bad as it would have if it happened in a vacuum, etc.

“In fact, 19 states have passed resolutions or laws rejecting the national ID program.”

This is precisely why all of the Neocon’s ultimately evil plans for The Homeland the United States of America will never, ever work.

I think we all are getting a better picture of how everything happened in Germany in the late ’20s and early 30s. It sorta creeps up on you and then one day, if we’re not careful, there it is - full-blown fascism

i posted some bits from milton mayer’s “they thought they were free: the germans 1933-45″ last week (here and here).

the first one begins with “What happened here was the gradual habituation of the people, little by little,…

i owe you something other than a coke. ;-)

Ya never know.

If a case ever got to the USSC, I’m sure Nino would find some legal basis for indelible wrist bar codes for the citizenry.

I’m hoping that their timing is way off…they could really have taken control of the people 5 years ago, because the country was all gung-ho and would gladly have given over their power….things are quite different now. People aren’t scared, they are pissed off. All of these leaks about how they are gonna lock us all up and throw away the key…might just be bugga bugga designed to psyops scare everybody. They can’t execute their own damn plans — especially without the support of the majority of citizens. The Nazis had tremendous support from the citizens. JMHO

I take comfort knowing that anyone who EVER clicked the link to this site is on the same list I am. That list is growing daily.
I know damn good and well they watch me, I have seen the ISP’s. I even had the office of the Sergeant at Arms of the United States Senate log into my place.
They’re watching.

Thanks, Selise. I read your comments at the time and I’m glad you reminded me because I want to order that book. A number of years ago I read everything I could about Nazi Germany and it is chilling. We would do well to understand it a lot better than we do.

Nino can go bite a rock as far as I’m concerned…

Yep..every baby born here would get a tattoo — oops, ‘identification code’, arm tattoos are just so 1930s German, you know.

I was just over at the Paypal service to support this site. It always creeps me out to donate to FDL through a right wing company. I worry that it’s sullying my database records.
What if it’s misinterpreted as condoning Paypal?

Waving!!! So!

You don’t have to use Paypal - just a credit card or write a check.

Mebbe the aged expats from NASA could lend a hand.

Hee!
Fork ‘em.

“Things are quite different now. People aren’t scared, they are pissed off.”

Jeebers, I said this exact thing last night to Ron.

Well, IBM would be able help.

That’s a very good point. Timing is everything and I agree that more people are getting pissed than being scared.
Oh, that’s right, they’re not as smart as they think they are.
American Flags with a homing device permanently attached to our foreheads! Not!

People are pissed off but I’m not sure they know where to direct their anger. We are a nation of the very uninformed and too lazy to find out what we need to know.

I just read part of today’s FDL. Could someone tell me where to find info on the White House writing MSNBC a letter.

Damn. Didn’t think of that.

Nino now knows that I don’t worship him because he got straight A’s and never missed a day of school.

You don’t? I’ve been struggling needlessly for all this time?
Jeez…

People aren’t scared, they are pissed off.

Only problem is, they ain’t pissed off enough! Lots more pissed off and lots less sheeple would be “a good thing”.

Froomkin hits it pretty good today

Wonder if Bolton ever took Chertoff to Plato’s Retreat.

The only thing they “can” do is create a fake attack…along the lines of Rumsfeld’s remark that an attack would “correct” the lack of fear amongst the people…(forking outrageous statement BTW)

Now, I venture to suggest that if we could think they could be capable of such a thing…one should revisit 9/11 which has enabled everything that has come to pass so far. JMHO

Here, hear!!!

People are much more in tune to moving the assholes out of office and reforming the gov. than we know. If my neighbors, who are consistently conservative, are as vocal and angry as I witness then the established order of assholes is in big trouble. All an American has to do is stand at the gas pump and watch their pay check drain into their car and reflect on the deaths of innocent Iraqi’s and American’s provoked by the neocons and oil barons. People understand the connections. And all Americans are not like West VA’s. There is hope. Hard won hope.

Real ID is the testing ground and first step toward implanted chips.

Thank you selise. I don’t think I caught those the first time I must have bolted on that thread. I want to order many copies of that book.

First it’s “terrorists”
Then “Iraq”
Then “Iran”
Next “illegal immigrants”
Next “voter fraud”
Next ???

What? you mean the stimulus check didn’t make them STFU? /s.

Agreed, again.
Cheney, I think, has always put information out there, himself, and then refers back to [what HE said] as fact and as a reason why this or that policy is absolutely necessary.
I wonder if there’s a specific term for that despicable, decieitful and immoral behavior.

Nope. A stimulus check stimulates their anger. People know they are being bribed. They want more. They want their taxes and representation to count for something. They want democracy.

That just sounds funny to freedom lovers but unfortunately it’s sounding a little to true today. Esp. since Chertoff went to our friends of the north to request cooperation in building a fingerprint database. Fortunately (this time) they gave him teh finger.

I want j*rkoff to sit on the xerox machine and try building a database with that. I’m pissed.

Good! (I didn’t expect it would, that was snark).

I also want the Dem party to make a nice little ad with the stimulus check next to the big pallets of cash sent (and lost) in Iraq. That’ll piss ‘em off even more.

It’s observations like yours and others at the Lake that provide the only hope I have left…..many thanks.

They ARE capable of such a thing. You mean if they can think it but can they/will they really do it?

Oh HELL YEAH!!! Cheney/rummy think in terms of how many kids can die and we the american people don’t get upset. Too many and we notice. It’s ####### videogame to them.

When finally finally finally someone works up the nerve to ask Cheney about all the kids dying and he says “so?” that’s all anyone needs to know. I always knew that’s what he thought but then he came out and said it out loud, just like Rummy said we need another attack out loud. sick psycho bast*ards.

Pardon my rant, but I’m really really concerned and outraged and have no other outlet.

I can see him waving dismissively.
“It’s nothing! Get over it.”

I wonder if there’s a specific term for that despicable, deceitful and immoral behavior.

Evil.

I just want my wages to equal the type of job that i’m doing. A pharamacy technician(nationally certified!i now have the CphT as a title) should not be paid $8.90 an hour for the kind of information i handle on a daily basis. I can’t make any type of living on that! EVER. The corporation i work for is pretty much robbing me blind, while charging outrageously high prices for the retail cost of their drugs. It’s bloody insane.

But yeah, i think the average joe konws they’re being bribed even as they’re being robbed blind now. How much they do about it is the key.

Digg
this post!

NPR also has the Kennedy news. They say the treatment is radiation and chemotherapy. I didn’t hear any prognosis, but Kennedy has had no more seizures and is up and walking around. Will be in the hosp. for “another couple of days.”

Did you see the interview on Colbert with the San Jose State U teacher who was stopped on his way back into the US and questioned etc. When it became apparent that he was in no way a threat, his name was still kept on the terrorist watch list and was asked to “check in” periodically.

So he takes thousands of mandane pictures of what he does everyday, including the meals, bathrooms, gas stations etc he frequents and posts them on his website along with a self tracker program so they can keep an eye on him. He does the work for them.

He check the ISPs of people looking at his site and you should have seen Stephen’s jaw drop when he said one was Office of the Executive whatever. “You have a fan!”

thanks for saying it for me. this is why i lurk here. good folks all on the same wave length. true patriots log in here at the lake.

Ding!
And, as your prize, you may have the first bowl of mac ‘n cheese — which has lowfat cheese and also tomatoes, so it’s healthy comfort food.

Idle question: Does anyone think Congress is ‘pissed’? Or, is it just the ‘people’?

What would it take?

Iran?

Directive 51?

How about if Congress had to pay for their own gasoline, or Health-Care?

So far, none of ‘this’ affects members of Congress in a personal, real or painful fashion.

Any thoughts?

My experience is that most people are pissed or worried about what’s going to happen to their families and themselves.

Congress does not appear to share those ‘concerns’ very much … if at all.

And a side order of democracy with broccoli

how does one check one’s ISP for visits?

(((BJNTS)))

I try not to yell at the peaceful lake but sometimes outrage is required.

(((Demi)))

phew, thanks. I think I need that mac n cheese. yummy. may I have a glass of milk, too? thanks.

Nelson Mandela is still on the terrorist watch list. Can’t they take him off? Apparently not without an act of Congress.

http://thehill.com/leading-the.....05-19.html
Hi Mary!

act if Congress. They still do that?

Hey Margot!

Hmmm. good point.

I get kinda pissed when goopers point at the dem side of the aisle to blame them for do nothingness. Fact is,

the WHOLE CONGRESS is to blame as much as Bush.

So I would put that fire out by agreeing with them! Vote all of the enablers out. Stupid jerks who don’t read the bills they are voting on.

Yes. With Toby’s side dishes and a liberal schlurp of leave me the f*ck alone syrup in the milk. (It tastes like free trade chocolate.)

You know, if Nelson Mandela and the Dali Lama are terrorists, that sounds like a pretty cool club…

Oh, I’m just joking there Chertoff! You don’t really want to see what I eat beside the mac n cheese with broccoli.

National identity cards. Just populating the database.

Integration s/w and ever-faster processing leads to the ability to integrate credit card, mortgage, employment, healthcare, insurance, automotive, military service data, blog and internet activity, fingerprints and dna. Oh, and the ability to match a single photograph with its matching face (and associated data records) in a database of ten million others in about a second. All provided via black box, outsourced contracts via black box agency programs that not even Congress knows about, much less the public, which nevertheless pays for it all.

Orwell’s authoritarian society was built around technological capabilities that were assumed, unexplained, but readily manipulated by the government that controls them. That was fiction. Mr. Chertoff would it real, profitable and potent.

“You mean if they can think it but can they/will they really do it?”

What I mean is that if “we” can think it, then we need to go back and look at what happened on 9/11 with an open mind and stop attaching “conspiracy theorist” to anyone who questions the events of that day.

1017, JIT for a change back from a Demo Congress to Repub (possibility)

You know, if Nelson Mandela and the Dali Lama are terrorists, that sounds like a pretty cool club…

Sure does. No caucasians.

I heard on the radio yesterday that 70% of our intelligence is outsourced and congress doesn’t know who the contracts go to.

OT, but…Does anyone else have the feeling that Teddy and his family are already having to watch eulogies for him on TV? I’m not even sure if that’s a good thing or not. On the one hand, Teddy gets to watch all the nice things people are saying about him while he can still appreciate them; on the other hand, seems kind of ghoulish to have someone more or less forced to witness their own eulogy on TV for hours on end.

I am so glad that at least some states are fighting back about this Real ID garbage. We all need to work to stop this.

What I’ve wondered with Real ID: Besides including every bit of personal data (including fingerprints & DNA) will it also contain a microchip so that we can be followed every second . . .you know, a precursor to actual human implantation/tracking?

I agree, but there is an outpouring of good energy toward him, and he deserves to hear it.

BTW, I was surfing around, and I see that RFK, Jr. has an exploratory committee going for running for office in CT.

Yes - as Digby posted:

But may I just point out how distasteful it is that the gasbags are giving a continuous eulogy for someone who’s still alive? If I were him, I don’t think I’d appreciate it.

FWIW, Tim Shorrock in the book salon this past weekend mentioned this in passing. The figure he used was that 75% of the funding dollars for intel are outsourced but that does not mean the contractors are doing the actual intel gathering and analysis.

That’s just the cost of the toys and consultants that manage the acquisiotion of the toys.

Please realize, a lot of the so-called intelligence community has had technology stuck in the ’50s and ’60s without upgrades.

There is a book called Spy Chips about RFID implantation…horrifying actually. They have chips in Gillette razors. They can be the size of the dot on an “i”…

I was absolutely shocked to learn that our U.S. passports are not made in the U.S. Did everyone know that?? Should that be happening on foreign soil??

OK, gotcha.

It would be a good thing to go back and review with a cool and detached look at things that have led up to the attack and happened afterwards (she said to herself, wiping the cheese sauce off her chin).

Thanks, Mary, for putting in words what I’ve suspected for some time now.

I’ll bite….why does a Gillette razor need a spy chip?

Again I ask my question: are we still a country with borders? Or just a big wal-mart/oil company?

Animals are already chipped…I have friends whose horses have been implanted…they implant dogs..some people have apparently implanted their children (but, I’m not sure about that actually), but I am sure about the horses and dogs…

They track sales or something…

A good opening for an ornamental shaving joke.

But actually, it’s because they’re so goddam overpriced.

If the events could be looked at independently with logical minds who had no stake in the outcome other than the truth…it would be well worth it. There are so many questions, and when experts answer them, they get shot down as conspiracy theorists..like the Professor who is an expert in demolition said that there is a lot of evidence of thermite. Things like that.

If a man is shaving before he gets dressed, Larry Craig’s office is notified.

lol

I saw a news article, LS, where there were people in a line to get their kids chipped. The interviewer asked one mom about it, she said she thought it was a wonderful idea, that she’d sleep better knowing that if her baby went missing, the authorities could track the chip.
Talk about “sheeple”!!!!

The EPIC site EW links to has a section on the RDF technology that State wants to use on passports, etc. It’s technology that would allow reading data on embedded chips from several feet or more away. Like the Real ID, it is riddled with problems, including the ability of non-authorized “readers” to access the data. So much for state security. My guess is that it’s about money and political control, not “security” for citizens.