UPDATE:
Kentucky (42 percent reporting):
Clinton: 221,330 (57%)
Obama: 152,645 (39%)
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One of the things the talking heads keep talking about tonight is the way Hillary Clinton's win tonight in Kentucky seemingly continues to indicate Barack Obama's difficulties in winning over white working-class voters. That's emphasized by the 2-1 proportions of the victory so far in the tallies.
But I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Obama is going to win Oregon handily tonight, with an almost equal number of delegates at stake. And I'm struck by the difference in the nature of how the two states are being discussed.
Because Oregon certainly is home to nearly as many white working-class voters as Kentucky (it's 87% white in Oregon, and 90 % in Kentucky). Moreover, the outcome of the primaries throughout much of the West run along similar lines: Obama has run away with the votes in places like Idaho and Wyoming, and is likely to repeat that in Montana -- none of which are exactly renowned as havens of African American voters. In Washington state, Obama won the caucuses in every single one of the state's counties.
It doesn't seem to me that Obama -- who also moves closer to clinching with those Oregon delegates -- has a problem with white American working-class voters generically. Looking at the results, it seems he mostly has a problem with white voters in Appalachia. Elsewhere, whites seem perfectly comfortable voting for him.
... In the meantime, the interesting race to watch tonight in Oregon is the Democratic primary contest between Jeff Merkley and Steve Novick. Both are excellent candidates with an excellent shot at taking down Republican Sen. Gordon Smith. We'll keep you updated.
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I am turning off the MSNBC drivel, as these gasbags cannot possible say anything I care about.
Please keep me informed!
Zed, she said.
Of what?
It doesn’t seem to me that Obama — who also moves closer to clinching with those Oregon delegates — has a problem with white American working-class voters generically. Looking at the results, it seems he mostly has a problem with white voters in Appalachia. Elsewhere, whites seem perfectly comfortable voting for him.
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yup and they are headed for the junk heep of history (corporate media)
not me….they have no redeeming qualities
Apparently the only hardworking white voters live in a couple of states…the rest are bums I guess.
hahahahhaahahaa
Clinton discussing her good friend Ted Kennedy. Very nice, but I keep thinking that he endorsed Obama.
yea like this poor woman
http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING.....index.html
You think the announcers are bad,turn Hillary on.
Hell, I could call this one. Even without my crystal ball that somebody took and painted black and drilled holes in.
See if she mentions Rove’s pig ass.
Hillary more determined than ever to seeing that every vote is counted, but they must all work to see that A DEMOCRAT IS ELECTED IN NOVEMBER!
Beggin for money. . .god.
Well, I’m white but I dunno about that workin’ stuff.
She’ll say anything to anyone who will listen.
“There are 12 parking lots across Santa Barbara that have been set up to accommodate the growing middle-class homelessness. These lots are believed to be part of the first program of its kind in the United States, according to organizers.”
Thanks Pukes.
Maynard G Crebbs
Huh. Obama’s been up 14-16% over Clinton the last few days in the daily Gallup national poll. They were tied a week and a half ago. Clinton supporters…it’s done now, ‘kay?
McKeating just had his biggest fundraising month, and BigMedia continues to lap up his bar-b-que. Whaddaya say we all rally around keeping another death-loving madman outta the White House now? Sound good?
Oh, she doesn’t like the “media” either.
Well, I think I’m a little more on the ball, but…
Krebs
i do animal rescue,..how many people dont EVEN take their pets…sob
I was thinking of him saying “WORK?”
Obama raised $31 million in April. More stats:
http://hotlineblog.nationaljou.....il_fo.html
Not too shabby.
and the bluedog dems too,who turn up their noses
“I’m told more people have voted for me than any other nominee”
Wow, she’s angling for Veep and will be almost as happy as Buchanan if she gets it …
I’m more interested in the voting turnout. That’s where Hillary really has to hope to make a point. Is it really all that high in Kentucky? I suspect that Obama will counter that in Oregon despite the lower percentage in differential simply because of early voting and the fact that these results in Kentucky will compel Obama voters to get everyone they can down to the polls.
Hillary’s like the Red Queen in Alice in Wonderland in the “Caucus Race”…where you “have to run as fast as you can to stay in the same place”.
“I’m told more people have voted for me than any other nominee”
By whom, McCaulliffe?
That’s almost as much money as Exxon makes in an hour … /s
i love him and his whole famdamily
Rove …
Allergic to it, myself.
Stephanpoosalot
Oh, “pickin” presidents. If that ain’t country I’ll kiss your ass.
When is someone going to tell her she lost. It’s over.
or Stephanpoops..a lot
Hillary will keep fighting until the primary is over, whomever she may be?! It’s often said that However Kentucky goes, so goes the Nation?????
I can hear HRC’s voice coming over the radio in the next cubicle (OK, not really a cubicle). I can’t make out the words, only the wohn-wah-wohn-wah tone that reminds me of Charlie Brown’s mother.
… no one has won the Presidency without winning
OhioPennsylvaniaKentucky …There was a Canadian golden retriever on a show last night called “sir scrathewan”
And that her speech is long enough already.
So - what is it with the Appalachians?
Obama is most certainly getting his ass handed to him in Kentucky.
Didja miss the “Bluegrass” comment ?
scratchewan
Sorta like pickin’ yer nose, or butt, ain’t it?
nope
Well…if one counts in Michigan (where Obama wasn’t on the ballot, and Florida…and discounts those caucuses which actually represent larger numbers of Democrats…oh, and Oregon…later this evening (and actually mst of those folks HAVE already voted…they just aren’t counted yet).
… no one has won the Presidency without winning
Ohio Pennsylvania West VirginiaKentucky …you forgot one
Stepontopofthis
Can you say bigoted.
I knew you could.
Our local food for animals charity is on my weekly grocery list. They want big bags of dry food.
Konichiwah, Wobbs
You’re kidding, right ?
Caucus Race.
LMAO
Ever heard the state song. . .the original?
My Old Kentucky Home” (originally titled “Poor Uncle Tom, Good Night!”, and sometimes also titled “My Old Kentucky Home, Good-Night!”)[1] is the state song of Kentucky. It was published by Stephen Foster in 1853 and was adopted by the Kentucky General Assembly as the official state song on March 19, 1928.
The song describes a scene of life on a slave plantation. The abolitionist Frederick Douglass saw the song as sympathetic to slaves. [1] In 1986, the Kentucky General Assembly adopted a version unlikely to cause offence in which the original word “darkies” was changed to “people.”
Oh, jeez, she’s talkin about the kid who sold his bike and video games to support her.
Not a lot to brag about there, lady.
She’s bringing up that kid who sold his bike to raise $$$ for her … did she not see TDS ?
well he is sort of vertically challenged, n’est-ce pas?
bom dia
just a drive by. have to go pick up mr wobbs
No, I’m not. I don’t understand why they seem to be more racist there than some other states.
Oops, hit the filter. Read about the state song
My Old Kentucky Home
That’s a repeat. Gotta get a new story.
Thanx … I try hard not to remember any of it … *g*
I just heard a concession “sentence”….I will work hard to elect a Democratic President…united we stand…
It’s the math
We will unite our party and we will unite our country. She knows reality.
Ever been there?
Good idea. I’m actually not watching any cable/network news today. Cleansing day
You said that before I could, thanks !
She’s forever asking why Obama can’t close the deal, but rarely is she asked why she can’t even get close! She started this race as the supposed shoe-in candidate, yet she’s way behind in every measure that counts, starting with money, then with number of states, then with pledged delegates and superdelegates, and the only way she wins the popular vote is if she counts MI and FL and disenfranchises all the caucus states. Go figure!
And, important gimmick, you assume that zero of the “uncommitted” voters in MI voted “for” Obama. That’s why she’s using that language–voted “for” me.
And really - what is she going to do if Obama stiffs her?
Endorse McCain? No way.
Anyone know when Obama is scheduled to speak?
Woo Hoo … ‘go with the flow’ takes on an entirely new meaning ..
She has used that example before. She ought to send the kid his money back. Cheesy.
No, but I think he’s in Iowa.
they tried
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....or-my.html
Nope.
Raven,
Are you pissed off?
I’ve been truly trying to get behind whomever the Democratic Party chooses as the nominee.
But, dude, your rants are making me uncomfortable.
We all have our perspectives, but, this line of comments doesn’t seem to be helpful.
You kind of sound like the guy who’s girlfriend just dumped him.
That’s how I’m hearing it.
Don’t guarantee this will work- fwiw
From http://www.kgw.com/
Tonight on KGW.com: Results at 8 pm | Live streaming | Live blogging
lol
Got that right.
My attitude about Hillary has never changed one bit.
yah,i do the 50 lb bags…thank god they pick up
Hillary…do not listen to Karl Rove…he wants you to l.o.s.e…..hellloooo
Well, I’ve been chewing on this while walking the spaniels. Carryover from earlier thread comment about NYC women political powerbrokers who are pissed at the media and pissed at, well, just about anybody who doesn’t see it their way about Hillary… directed at lhp’s observation of the group, not lhp!
I see pragmatics at work, not disdain from Obama. Matter-of-factness isn’t dismissiveness. Framing means a lot, but sometimes it seems to me that people spend way too much time framing things to suit their own bias. We should all know better. [howzat for framing…]
Having said that — Hi-larious to this seasoned working white woman from a boutique, unimportant red state who voted for Obama in a caucus [the horror!] that no matter how much Hillary and her cronies fuzzy the math, she still comes up short.
I have no sympathy or brief for the situation Clinton finds herself in–too much of her own making. And the outrage at the media and Obama is too conveniently disingenuous and scapegoating. As evidenced by lhp’s predicate that they were all seasoned political/power women who understand political winning and losing.
Still seein’ way too much of “it’s my due” at play from the Clintonistas.
It would have been way better if she had taken his money and donated it to NOLA as a way to remind him of our guiding principle … uplifting the destitute …
And, for your information, If that ain’t counrty, is a song by Davis Allen Coe.
HA! Good stuff.
Not watching Hillary’s speech, but judging by the commentary, why do I keep having images of Sally Field at the Oscars in 1985…”You like me. You really like me!”
If you ever spend any time area you’ll know why. They’re not real fond of those who don’t look, act, think, or talk like them. Particularly those of a different skin colour.
You got spaniels, cockers, springers, water?
That was beyond funny … quoting Rove to defend your campaign.
If she wants to stay in, she certainly does not need Rove’s endorsement …
What does that mean?
You’re not open to winning in November?
I, for one, am trying to keep an open mind.
I know, I’m an Idealist.
It’s not easy for me to do so, but, I still try.
It means I don’t care what other people do but my moral compass would not allow me to vote for her. Period.
parti-color cocker spaniels, mostly black and tan
Remember what Rove said…Hillary is a fatally-flawed candidate…yeah, if she’s been listening to him and especially because she listened to that idjiot Penn. She has made bad choices. Is she just naive or what?
fortunately it is unlikely to come to that.
Doesn’t fit my image at all…Fields was in a moment of success & joy.
Awww, my bride had a parti before I came along. Raven (was) and Lil Bit is black.
Does it seem moral to vote for McC by default?
I know, it’s such bullshit.
desperate…and imo…not all that smart
Not naive. Just infinitely capable of rearranging the truth to suit her personal requirements.
Ever hear of not voting?
Yes, and that’s what Kentucky is for right now…a microcosm.
Ba dum pum …
That’s the default part, I think
i love these guys
http://www.killaraspaniels.com.....ls%202.jpg
Well, then, I guess You Told Us, eh?
You are not alone in your anger or your disappointment.
It’s hard for a lot of people I know and love.
Indeed. Sorry.
Hey Raven- OT but I just off checking GA politics. Sunny, getting frustrated by slowness of Martin campaign. Raven, have you followed the Dem contenders for Senate seat at all? Crikey, I stumbled on to this- Police report on Vernon Jones- in case any one wants some sordid reading to take their mind off Hill/ Obama for a few! OMG! (gotta open each pic in a new window/ link) Vernon Jones is one of the Ds challenging Saxby.
http://georgiaunfiltered.blogs.....-rape.html
I didn’t tell anyone anything except what I think.
oh, wow! a symphony of spaniels
Yeah, it’s one of two things.
1. If she’s calling the shots, she’s making bad decisions.
2. If she’s allowing others to call the shot