Joe Lieberman lets the ideological cat out of his "terror" bag:
The chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee today asked Google, the parent company of the popular online video-sharing site, YouTube, to “immediately remove content produced by Islamist terrorist organizations” from YouTube and prevent similar content from reappearing. However, the company immediately refused to comply with his request.
Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) made the request in a letter to Eric Schmidt, the chairman of the board and chief executive officer at Google, in which he said that YouTube “unwittingly, permits Islamist terrorist groups to maintain an active, pervasive and amplified voice despite military setbacks or successful operations by the law enforcement and intelligence communities.”
Lieberman asked the company not only to remove existing content but also identify changes that Google plans to make to YouTube’s community guidelines and explain how it plans to enforce the guidelines. Lieberman said removing such content should be “a straightforward task since so many of the Islamist terrorist organizations brand their material with logos or icons identifying their provenance.”
And what was the driving force behind his request?
Lieberman’s letter comes after his committee released a report, “Violent Islamist Extremism, the Internet and the Homegrown Terrorist Threat,” May 8 that said chatrooms, message boards and Web sites can play critical roles in recruitment, indoctrination into violent Islamist theology, linking radicalized individuals and providing information to independent terrorists unaffiliated with organizations. The report also said the government needs to develop a plan to counter terrorist groups’ increasing reliance on the Internet.
The most obvious problem with Lieberman’s request is its clear trampling of basic free-speech rights on the Internet in the pursuit of those evildoers from Al Qaeda. It gives us, as marktheshark at DKos observes, a preview of what Lieberman and his band of anti-terrorists have coming down the pike.
But it’s also a completely misbegotten approach to terrorism that assumes the only terrorists worth worrying about are brown Islamist extremists — while ignoring the fact that over the past decade and a half, the most consistent terrorist threat has come from our own homegrown white variety.
Annually, right-wing extremists within our borders are responsible for a siezeable number of crimes. These range, as Mark Pitcavage of the ADL points out, from "bombings and bombing plots to assassination plots and murders to weapons and explosives violations to hate crimes to massive frauds and scams (amounting in some cases in the hundreds of millions of dollars) to the myriad of lesser crimes." Even if you totaled up several years’ worth of criminal activity related to Islamic extremism, it would fail to come close to the levels produced by our own homegrown terrorists.
And their presence on the Internet is not only widespread, but their use of the Web has in fact been understood to be a serious problem for at least a decade and longer. Strange that Lieberman wasn’t eager back in 1998 to have the Internet censored for far-right content. Maybe it was easier for him to understand the free-speech implications of such actions. But he has a jihad going now.
We already had plenty of reasons to suspect that the "Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007" working its way through Congress was anything but the attempt at a comprehensive approach to preventing domestic terrorism its sponsors liked to sell it as. Far more likely, in fact, is that it is likely to skew and misdirect the fight against genuine terrorism into an ideological witchhunt for brown-skinned "terrorists" — while ignoring the very real threat on our soil from homegrown white terrorists.
And we knew it was a problem because the man in charge of driving it through the Senate is — you guessed it — Joe Lieberman.




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Lieberwurst–the saving grace is- who the hell listens to the toad.
jus cogens!
While we’re at it, I’d like to hear a clear, coherent explanation of the difference between “ideologically based violence,” which we need special Constitution-breaking laws against, and “hate crimes,” for which the usual laws against assault and murder are supposedly sufficient.
The Southern Poverty Law Center says that hate groups in this country have increased by 80% in the last few years. I worry a lot more about jack-booted thugs with bombs than I do about imported terrorists.
Someone could be roundin them terrorists up- but we have a president who refuses to “swat at flies”
In otherwords if it’s more work than droppin bombs- he ain’t interested.
That’s why you’re not a drooling moron – um, I mean, the Republican nominee for vice president of the United States.
I hold no brief for laws regarding “ideologically based violence,” but WRT there are numerous coherent arguments. You can begin here, though I would also direct you to my book Death on the Fourth of July.
The biggest terrorist website that I know of has whitehouse.gov in its URL.
Didn’t the commies start organizing back in the 50s using telephones?
Thank goodness the government began controlling that technology…in the 2000s! Almost 20 years after the collapse of communism.
/s
I think its noteworthy that Lieberman writes to Google on the same day that the White House attorney writes to MSNBC.
Included in that number is the GOP and the WH
I think I understand, David; I was just pointing out the disconnect and the dishonesty at play here. Conservatives argue that violence is violence, and that you shouldn’t take the motivations into account (overlooking that fact that police and courts do that every day) – until they decide they want to spy on people.
Nailed it again, as usual. I find it interesting that Lieberman is so unconcerned about the domestic white supremacist/Christianist/fascist terrorists given that they are also overwhelmingly anti-Semitic.
Yes, the Mighty Wurlitzer grinds on and on.
The Lieberman is an inspiration to suiciders everywhere. I am pissed off at Harry Reid and other dems whom have permitted this lying assh*le the platform with which to fling such poo.
What is Leavermann’s office fax number? He’s gonna hear from me.
So, someone just told me that’s Lieberman attached to McCain’s butt. And all this time, I thought it was a carbuncle!
And Lindsey Graham to the other cheek.
I have more than a mild dislike for Joe Lieberman.
I think I understand his frustration. After knocking out all TV and radio stations, cell and satcom towers, and generally all forms of communication with the outside world prior to conducting military operations in civilian neighborhoods in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, it really is a pain to have these pesty videos showing up on the Google.
Heaven forbid there be two sides to a story.
Snark alert (incoming):
Umm, would this include things like lapel flag pins? Just askin’.
Oh, I don’t know about that. I bet we could get Lieberman agitated over white ex-terrorist Bill Ayers.
Hah! You’re in fine fettle today!
David, this reads like the ghost of Christmas yet to come. It is foreplay, so to speak, to declaring war on the netroots, methinks. And all I can say is, thank creation we’re in the last year of BushCo. Even at that, I’m feeling edgy about things.
Why thankee, ma’am. Your fettle is fine, too!
Wait though….if they are “identifying themselves with logos and icons”…then, then, then…they can’t be categorized as “enemy combatants”…right?
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Joe Lieberman
Joe? Declare war on the netroots? Perish the thought.
I’m sure the guy who chairs the committee charged with Homeland Security oversigh would make certain none of us is on the 8 million targeted for roundup or anything:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com…..-some.html
Well, that’s a relief. So I can reveal my true identity at last, eh? My friends, I’m . . . yes, I’m George Bush and I’ve been right here amongya all these years. Anyone up for a beer?
Do you think AIPAC is concerned about those domestic groups?
The way things are going, only petrodollar-laden IslamoTerrists are gonna be able to afford plane tickets:
Ugly times ahead.
(Did you see my question to you downstairs?)
Meanwhile, the FBI still hasn’t connected Osama bin Laden to the crimes of 9/11.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topt…../laden.htm
Sadly, no “serious” blog would let the shadow of 9/11 accountability grace their door…
Yes I did – I’ll contact you on facebook.
It should be listed as a hate group
Hmm …
Bu$h CO would have a much easier time of takin’ out Iran if the US of A was locked-down, first … especially were the voices of dissent effectively muzzled …
Maybe there is ‘bipartisan’ support for ‘bomb, bomb, …’, afterall.
Who’da thunk it?/SNARK, all the way …
didn’t read all the comments yet so sorry if I’m repeating someone.
This is pure BS. Lieberman wants to shut down the ”vituperous” comments against his own policies and stupidity by shutting down the internet. He just wants to silence us all.
I wish he would STFU with his Voice of Constipated Policy.
all his boneheadedness about the toobz and internetz is heightened by the fact that mr homeland security could not protect his own campaign website!
jerk.
Unfortunately, we can also look forward to more “Oil Wars” in the Middle East for years to come unless (and this is a big unless) we can, as a country, diversify the sources of the various forms of energy we consume.
Sure seems like there’s a “perfect storm” abrewin’, but those clowns have a lousy record of managing storms…should be a nailbiter until they actually leave power….
Stifle the internet, Main Core, no fuel to fly the passenger airplanes or drive to work, food shortages, the economy in general, Directive 51, attack Iran….Jeesh…
You just can’t make this shizzola up…
“0.0143%“
Time to get busy. See also:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/05/…..index.html
My daughter constantly complains about the type of school discipline wherein one student tells the teacher to feck off and the whole class stays after school. You know, like a stalag.
Hey Joe, feck off.
Isn’t Branson running his planes on vegetable oil?
And McCain has told us the war will be over by 2013 – maybe he can also tell us how many barrels of oil Iraq will be pumping at full capacity by then.
Are we still a country? Or do we all work for some company I don’t know about called Big Oil?
My Koolaid Drinker Kristol Myth inhaler repeats FoxNews headlines like he is the PR spokesman for Exxon, I swear. I wonder why he has such a hard*n for the Priius and then slap my forehead when I remember we all work for Big Oil.
Short Ride is about to get a quick lesson here. Google has a lot of stroke, financially and ’s ability to stick it’s finger in the governments eye.
Nyuck Nyuck Joey, you are playing with fire ya forkin’ moran.
looseheadprop’s up top
OT – anyone else having trouble getting the house foreign affairs webcast link to work? (bottom right of page)
“T. Boone Pickens”
Now THAT’S a title for a biopic!
Per T. Boone: “A turbine will generate somewhere around 20,000 [dollars] a year in royalty income. And on a 640-acre tract, you can put five to 10 of these on the tract. And you don’t have to have them if you don’t want them.” Let’s see now – a farmer could raise crops and raise income up in the air, so to speak…
Sen. Byrd s speaking in the Senate right now about our man Ted. Very moving.
This from the UK:
“A massive government database holding details of every phone call, e-mail and time spent on the internet by the public is being planned as part of the fight against crime and terrorism. Internet service providers (ISPs) and telecoms companies would hand over the records to the Home Office under plans put forward by officials.”
http://business.timesonline.co…..965033.ece
Well, if we just had all of the hay, we’d know exactly where the Terrist needles are. They’re right there in the hay!
Just think! These same people are screaming at China for the same actions they support.
ALL information should be allowed. Yes, even if it is from real terrorists. After all, Bush is allowed on all sites — and his cabal is the biggest terrorist in the world.
The chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee today asked Google, the parent company of the popular online video-sharing site, YouTube, to “immediately remove content produced by Islamist terrorist organizations” from YouTube and prevent similar content from reappearing. However, the company immediately refused to comply with his request.
Joseph Lieberman (I-Conn.) made the request in a letter to Eric Schmidt, the chairman of the board and chief executive officer at Google, in which he said that YouTube “unwittingly, permits Islamist terrorist groups to maintain an active, pervasive and amplified voice despite military setbacks or successful operations by the law enforcement and intelligence communities.”
Oh Geebus, Holy Joe is truly Orwellian. (This actually sounds like one of his recent “correspondances.” Did Lieberman define what fomenting terrorism is? I remember reading of a court case in which the judge decided that writing commie pamphlets isn’t the same as starting a revolution (Cold War era). Perhaps Holy Joe slept through that one in law school. He’s modelling his approach on what is “harmful to children” I think, and that’s very hard to define. I could be wrong.
I keep thinking back of a Moyer’s interview, where anger against the US gov.(in and around the world)is so pervasive, the Lieberliar is just putting McCarthesque fixes on a leaking drain (the Bush administration.) IMHO.